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Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:58 pm

What is the ratio of international vs. domestic traffic ( movements and pax ) at major airports around the world

I would think JFK or LAX or MIA leads for U.S.

How about DEN / ATL / ORD / DFW / SFO ?

LHR / FRA / AMS / CDG etc.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:02 pm

I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH
TLV, BRU, ZRH, CDG, FRA, EWR, JFK, DEN, SFO, AUS, RNO, SEA, YYC, YYZ, IAH, ATL, IAD, DCA, ORD, SJC, SNA
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:05 pm

ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH



Same for AMS, not domestic routes anymore (I was on the last one in 2007/8)
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:58 pm

Quick hack together of some data from the US. This is 2015; matching up the busiest US airports with the top 40 international gateways from the FAA.

2015 Airport Passenger Traffic         
 Airport    Total Pass     Intl Pass    Pct Intl
 JFK     56,827,154     29,444,711    51.8%
 MIA     44,350,247     19,987,903    45.1%
 IAD     21,498,902     6,967,269    32.4%
 EWR     37,494,704     11,516,634    30.7%
 LAX     74,937,004     20,123,662    26.9%
 HNL     19,869,707     4,968,744    25.0%
 IAH     43,023,224     10,177,441    23.7%
 SFO     50,057,887     10,755,078    21.5%
 FLL     26,941,671     4,914,796    18.2%
 ORD     76,949,504     11,550,286    15.0%
 BOS     33,515,905     4,962,048    14.8%
 PHL     31,444,403     4,005,232    12.7%
 MCO     38,727,749     4,608,549    11.9%
 DFW     64,074,762     7,580,093    11.8%
 ATL     101,491,106     10,879,232    10.7%
 SEA     42,340,537     4,351,801    10.3%
 DTW     33,440,112     3,272,803    9.8%
 LAS     45,443,900     3,395,993    7.5%
 MSP     36,582,854     2,584,226    7.1%
 CLT     44,876,627     2,993,807    6.7%
 LGA     28,437,668     1,835,307    6.5%
 PHX     44,003,840     2,290,889    5.2%
 DEN     54,014,502     2,147,491    4.0%
 BWI     23,823,532     937,527    3.9%
 SAN     20,081,258     750,805    3.7%
 TPA     18,815,425     642,893    3.4%
 MDW     22,221,499     758,155    3.4%
 PDX     16,850,952     574,436    3.4%
 SNA     10,180,258     275,237    2.7%
 SLC     22,152,498     479,523    2.2%
 DCA     23,012,191     380,739    1.7%
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:09 am

Dutchy wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH



Same for AMS, not domestic routes anymore (I was on the last one in 2007/8)


What route was the last domestic route in the Netherlands?
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:24 am

rw774477 wrote:
What is the ratio of international vs. domestic traffic ( movements and pax ) at major airports around the world

I would think JFK or LAX or MIA leads for U.S.

How about DEN / ATL / ORD / DFW / SFO ?

LHR / FRA / AMS / CDG etc.

a fairly irrelevant statistic, since it depends exclusively on the size of the "country" of the airport and on the definition of domestic/international. Is domestic in Europe:
a.) within a certain country?
b.) within the EU?
c.) within the Schengen area?
or b.)+c.) combined ?
You could do the same in the USA between statewide and nationwide traffic.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:26 am

Bostrom wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH



Same for AMS, not domestic routes anymore (I was on the last one in 2007/8)


What route was the last domestic route in the Netherlands?


Groningen - Eelde Airport (GRQ) - Schiphol (AMS) and then on to London City with VLM, my only Fokker 50 flight to date. :D

Went from Utrecht to Eelde by car, left at 5 o'clock. Flew to AMS, went to work in Haarlem at 9, left Haarlem at 4 by train to Eelde and took the car back home, I was home at ten or so :D
Many happy landings, greetings from The Netherlands!
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:27 am

Not sure if ARN is considered a major airport, but here are the 2016 data:

Passengers: 21% domestic (5.3 million), 79% international (19.4 million)
Cargo: 2% domestic (1,632 t), 98% international (75,756 t)
Mail: 42% domestic (7,969 t), 58% international (10,869 t)
Landings: 29% domestic (33,566), 71% international (82,079) (excluding GA and military aircraft).
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:56 am

ICN only has 3 domestic routes : TAE, PUS and CJU. In total they represent about 500,000 passengers annually.
Incheon is at 57,765,397. So yeah, a pretty big chunk of it is international.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:07 am

Dutchy wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
Dutchy wrote:


Same for AMS, not domestic routes anymore (I was on the last one in 2007/8)


What route was the last domestic route in the Netherlands?


Groningen - Eelde Airport (GRQ) - Schiphol (AMS) and then on to London City with VLM, my only Fokker 50 flight to date. :D

Went from Utrecht to Eelde by car, left at 5 o'clock. Flew to AMS, went to work in Haarlem at 9, left Haarlem at 4 by train to Eelde and took the car back home, I was home at ten or so :D


Was the flight faster or slower than the train? Do you know when the last domestic flight that wasn't a tag on to an international flight closed?
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:28 am

Bostrom wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Bostrom wrote:

What route was the last domestic route in the Netherlands?


Groningen - Eelde Airport (GRQ) - Schiphol (AMS) and then on to London City with VLM, my only Fokker 50 flight to date. :D

Went from Utrecht to Eelde by car, left at 5 o'clock. Flew to AMS, went to work in Haarlem at 9, left Haarlem at 4 by train to Eelde and took the car back home, I was home at ten or so :D


Was the flight faster or slower than the train? Do you know when the last domestic flight that wasn't a tag on to an international flight closed?


Much slower off course. But you have to go to and from the airport. The public train system in the Netherlands is excellent and there aren't many people whom commute between Groningen and Amsterdam I guess. No demand for domestic flights. 2 hours from the center of Groningen to the center of Amsterdam, or 1,5 hours from the center of Eindhoven to the center of Amsterdam. So why take a flight? I know that after the War there were numerous of domestic flights, don't know when they stopped, can't be much later than 1975 or so.
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:31 pm

KEF isn't a major airport but it is an interesting case of an airport that is exclusively international by design in a country that does have some domestic flying. KEF now has a "domestic" route to AEY but it is only meant for connections to international flights. You can not book only the KEF-AEY leg.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:24 pm

ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH

EY flies AUH-DXB.


Not major, but RUN & ZSE are 100% international.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:47 pm

Breathe wrote:
EY flies AUH-DXB.


Not major, but RUN & ZSE are 100% international.


If you count RUN - PAR as being internation you can add PTP and FDF to that list
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:06 pm

Breathe wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH

EY flies AUH-DXB.


Not major, but RUN & ZSE are 100% international.

Google says otherwise. What's your source for the AUH-DXB flight's existence?
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:28 pm

Breathe wrote:
EY flies AUH-DXB

Uh... no they don't
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:48 pm

Two different/opposite pictures at Istanbuls two Airports in 2016.

Istanbul Atatürk IST
Total 60.415.470
Intl. 41.281.937 68.3%
Dom. 19.133.533 31.7%

Istanbul Sabiha Gökçen SAW
Total 29.667.853
Intl. 9.471.592 31.9%
Dom. 20.196.261 68.1%
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:53 pm

Breathe wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH

EY flies AUH-DXB.


Not major, but RUN & ZSE are 100% international.

Fun fact: No they don't.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:03 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Same for AMS, not domestic routes anymore (I was on the last one in 2007/8)


There are still some domestic flights in the Netherlands, but they're not seperately bookable. I'm talking about Transavia making hops between multiple Dutch airports before or after their final destination. In Belgium there are no domestic flights at all (although Belgium does have multiple airports).

Smallest country I could find that has domestic flights which are actually bookable is Denmark. Copenhagen is therefor not entirely international.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:07 pm

If somebody flies LAS-LAX-NRT are both legs part of an Intl journey or just the second?

rw774477 wrote:
What is the ratio of international vs. domestic traffic ( movements and pax ) at major airports around the world

I would think JFK or LAX or MIA leads for U.S.

How about DEN / ATL / ORD / DFW / SFO ?

LHR / FRA / AMS / CDG etc.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:11 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Same for AMS, not domestic routes anymore (I was on the last one in 2007/8)


There are still some domestic flights in the Netherlands, but they're not seperately bookable. I'm talking about Transavia making hops between multiple Dutch airports before or after their final destination. In Belgium there are no domestic flights at all (although Belgium does have multiple airports).


I interpreted domestic as bookable, but yes some do these hops.

As for smallest country, I can imagine that some small island nations will have domestic flights, which are smaller than Denmark.
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:31 pm

Dutchy wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

As for smallest country, I can imagine that some small island nations will have domestic flights, which are smaller than Denmark.



What about the largest country w/o domestic flights?
Uruguay?
Sierra Leone?
Ghana?
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:36 pm

ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH


I thought there is some flight between DXB and AUH?

SIN is obvious for having basically 100% int't departure but some designated "international" airports in Asian cities probably has very high int'l passenger % as well - e.g. ICN or TPE

HKG is weird... 100% of passengers go thru immigration but a significant portion of flights are domestic flights to other Chinese airports.
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:10 pm

bzcat wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH


I thought there is some flight between DXB and AUH?

SIN is obvious for having basically 100% int't departure but some designated "international" airports in Asian cities probably has very high int'l passenger % as well - e.g. ICN or TPE

HKG is weird... 100% of passengers go thru immigration but a significant portion of flights are domestic flights to other Chinese airports.

HKG is weird because of the whole One China/Two Systems arrangement
TLV, BRU, ZRH, CDG, FRA, EWR, JFK, DEN, SFO, AUS, RNO, SEA, YYC, YYZ, IAH, ATL, IAD, DCA, ORD, SJC, SNA
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:53 pm

.

Quoted stats for DEN, but just seen they were already listed.
A318/19/20/21/30/40. B717/27/37/47/57/67/77/87. CRJ2/7. ERJ145/175/190. FKR50. IL62. MD11/82/83/88. TU154.
AA AC AF AI AR AS AT AV AZ BA BW BY CO DA DL F9 FR JJ KL LH MA NW NZ OS RG SU TK U2 UA US VS WN
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:07 am

bzcat wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I know for certain that DEN doesn't have much of an int'l network compared to other airports, so it's bound to have a lower percentage.

Some airports (such as DXB and SIN) are 100% int'l due to lack of domestic traffic existing.

On the other side of that coin are the numerous airports with no int'l service, like ETH


I thought there is some flight between DXB and AUH?

SIN is obvious for having basically 100% int't departure but some designated "international" airports in Asian cities probably has very high int'l passenger % as well - e.g. ICN or TPE

HKG is weird... 100% of passengers go thru immigration but a significant portion of flights are domestic flights to other Chinese airports.

Nope, EY run a bus service with a flight number. Just like some TGV trains in France have flight numbers.
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NZ, EK, QF, SQ, UA, US, CO, FZ, FR, U2, BA, VA, VS, MH, EI, EY, LH, EN, NM, TG, GZ
 
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Re: Percentage of Int'l traffic at major airports.

Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:33 pm

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