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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:40 pm

I think the point that people are missing is that it's not advanced age that gives US3 carrier inflight crews a bad name....it's their attitude!

I am no fan of Al Baker or the ME3 airlines or the Gulf states for that matter. These Sheiks and these countries have horrible attitudes towards women, non Arabs and their laborers, who toil in the hot sun so people can enjoy the skyscrapers in Dubai.

However, the US3 F/A's, whatever their age, have bad attitudes, have no sense of customer service and have an arrogant view of their customers.

On international flights they just want to do the minimum and get back to their crew rest areas, hector and scold over simple request like more water, and bitch and moan about their lives and gripe about their company in front of passengers.
Yeah, and they carry themselves poorly as they are frequently out of shape and poorly groomed.

I don't care how old these US3 grandmas and aunties are. I DO care how they are doing their jobs.
By international standards of excellence like SQ or LH, etc they are piss poor and that's where one should hammer them constantly. By focusIng on their age, it lets them off the hook for their bad behavior and work ethic.
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:43 pm

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LAXintl wrote:
His comments might not be politically correct, but he does have valid point.

Ultimately, airlines are a service industry, but the US because of various reasons (union contracts, labor laws, etc) has fallen in a trap of carrying indeed an older, and yes lets be honest often less enthused FA work force.
Also unlike other US travel industries, (lets think of top end hotel front desk staff) US FA's tend not to age out and move on to other jobs, so they sit doing the same job their entire careers.

Unlike many top global carriers which can employ FA's on fixed terms, with the ability to maintain youth, appearance, and enthusiasm, US airlines are almost jobs for life so long as employee does not commit some serious violation. There is a reason why airlines like SQ, VS, etc win best cabin service awards.


That is an incredibly uninformed and ill-advised post. Perhaps, using your logic, we should apply that to pilots, too? Maybe we should age out all pilots at 45, because after that, they become less attractive and old....who cares if they have years of experience that will likely make the difference between you arriving alive or dead in a smoking crater.

But I see this age and appearance rule only applies to female flight attendants. Got it.

Yep it's great to see the usual suspects rush to the defense of men who view women as disposable and youth/beauty--let's be honest: f#[email protected] a proxy for good service. Which is of course is why all the world's most profitable airlines have the hottest, youngest FAs, like G4/NK/CM/AS :roll: ...maybe QR would have a profit at all if the CEO was younger and more attractive?
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:52 pm

neutronstar73 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
His comments might not be politically correct, but he does have valid point.

Ultimately, airlines are a service industry, but the US because of various reasons (union contracts, labor laws, etc) has fallen in a trap of carrying indeed an older, and yes lets be honest often less enthused FA work force.
Also unlike other US travel industries, (lets think of top end hotel front desk staff) US FA's tend not to age out and move on to other jobs, so they sit doing the same job their entire careers.

Unlike many top global carriers which can employ FA's on fixed terms, with the ability to maintain youth, appearance, and enthusiasm, US airlines are almost jobs for life so long as employee does not commit some serious violation. There is a reason why airlines like SQ, VS, etc win best cabin service awards.


That is an incredibly uninformed and ill-advised post. Perhaps, using your logic, we should apply that to pilots, too? Maybe we should age out all pilots at 45, because after that, they become less attractive and old....who cares if they have years of experience that will likely make the difference between you arriving alive or dead in a smoking crater.

But I see this age and appearance rule only applies to female flight attendants. Got it.



I believe his point is that US airlines industry is affected. You know how stressful it is to travel just as a passenger, the burnout factor in flight attendant is large. Not being able to refresh the pool.
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:57 pm

TVNWZ wrote:
We may snicker at his remarks. But, in many corners of the world a lot of people would agree with him. He wants to compete in those areas is my guess.


Your whole post is suspect when you mention SWA. Certainly one of the worst offender regarding grooming, being over weight and poor service. How much service do you expect when they are either passing out snacks or picking up trash. What joke and yes I do fly them every week, but not for their service.PS their jokes suck as well.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:58 pm

kjeld0d wrote:
Its easy for him to say that since he can essentially 'buy' new 'slaves' from poor countries ad infinitum.


Except the ME3 hire plenty of cabin crew from first world nations, such as Europe, Australia, and even the U.S..

In many cases ME3 pay and benefits is also better than what's offered at home.

Plenty of Europeans and other nationalities happily work at ME3.
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:13 pm

So in a nutshell, he is criticizing airlines for not firing flight attendants for their age. Got it :roll:
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:14 pm

mercure1 wrote:
kjeld0d wrote:
Its easy for him to say that since he can essentially 'buy' new 'slaves' from poor countries ad infinitum.


Except the ME3 hire plenty of cabin crew from first world nations, such as Europe, Australia, and even the U.S..

In many cases ME3 pay and benefits is also better than what's offered at home.

Plenty of Europeans and other nationalities happily work at ME3.


Let us not get carried over. Most of the ME3 FAs are from Eastern Europe and South East Asia, basically with no local economies. So, any job is better than no job. A 21-year-old Serbian is a standard issue FA.

Unionized grumpy, power-trip, trigger happy aged FAs on one end and College fresh, no laws, no union, no protection, fake math benefits, away from family, depressed no way out on the other end.

Both are bad.

I kind of like LH's part time contract cabin crew. They are young, well trained, not grumpy, work few months in a year, no feeling of bonded labor.
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:19 pm

PRAirbus wrote:
Oh, well...one thing about ME3 Flight Attendants...they look the part and honor the profession. Always looking classy, respectable, sharp, professional and elegant. Most FAs in the USA look terrible, no pride...sad but very TRUE...always have an excuse to look messy. Age is not much of an issue...I think grooming appearance is the one US carriers need the most improvement.


Traveling on airlines is stressful and post 9-11 even more. For front line employees dealing directly with customers in a more and more increasingly tight space affect these employees the most and is a major factor towards service burnout. Age I believe doesn't matter but longevity on the job does.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:33 pm

Strato2 wrote:
These comments are in no way surprising. Akbar's stance reflects his cultural backround.


Thought police>>> you missed this one.
 
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:15 pm

In the last 20 days I've taken 6 long haul (7hr +) flights on QR. The staff are fantastic, service is polished, aircraft modern and comfortable.

The multi national cabin crew are friendly and seemed to be enjoying the job.
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:23 pm

BestWestern wrote:
In the last 20 days I've taken 6 long haul (7hr +) flights on QR. The staff are fantastic, service is polished, aircraft modern and comfortable.

The multi national cabin crew are friendly and seemed to be enjoying the job.


My experience too. Then you get BA. Then you get the US.
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:02 pm

Man makes a unbiased, factual, scientific observation and everyone is offended. Welcome to 21st century in the USA it seems.
 
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:24 pm

BestWestern wrote:
In the last 20 days I've taken 6 long haul (7hr +) flights on QR. The staff are fantastic, service is polished, aircraft modern and comfortable.

The multi national cabin crew are friendly and seemed to be enjoying the job.


I agree, in the last 18 months I done 4 trips UK - Thailand with QR and found to cabin crew to be very professional, helpful and providing great service. Flown with EK and EY too, great service from them as well.....Whereas, my experiences with AF, KLM and BA are the complete opposite!!! In fact my wife has told me never ever to book with them again!!!
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:24 pm

One would think Al Baker and Qatar in general would have more important things to worry about these days.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:24 pm

So a little old man with a combover wants people to looks the part professionally? Time for him to get lost then.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:37 pm

This tread is sexist, unprofessional, and should be locked.
 
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:46 pm

mercure1 wrote:
But in case of cabin crew, if the US had fixed term contracts, people could come out of school, work maybe two 5-year contracts and then move onto other more permanent career fields.


I keep hearing this about a lot of jobs that were formerly careers. What exactly are these "more permanent" roles that people in their 30s can move to?

stlgph wrote:
There's no issues with "older personnel" providing your clients excellent service, unless, you're in charge and you don't want "older personnel" providing services to your clients. Simple as that.

Whether it's Qatar Airways, a hotel/resort, casino, nightclub, what have you, in the service industry, if the daddy in charge wants sex appeal, then that's what he brings in and he hires. He's calling the shots, he's writing the checks, he's keeping the lights on.

Slam Qatar Airways all you want, "this" continues to happen across all industries, it will continue to happen, and while you can bitch and moan about it, there's not much that will ever change.


Fortunately, such discriminatory hiring practices are illegal in the United States.

seabosdca wrote:
This coming from the same man who trivialized and sought to shift the blame for one of the worst safety incidents suffered by a developed-country carrier in this century. Al-Baker is entertaining when he's trying to buy aircraft. But as an operational manager of an airline carrying flesh-and-blood passengers, he is a disgrace.

viewtopic.php?t=599331


Speaking as someone whose car was nearly destroyed by Qatar Airways (if the aircraft had crashed it would've done so in the employee parking lot), I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it one of the worst incidents of the century.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:51 pm

Considering how girls and women are treated there his comment isn't surprising.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:22 am

Interestingly Patrick Smith of "Ask the Pilot" recently provided a detailed and first-hand criticism of the poor service he experienced flying Qatar, and he specifically calls out the bad attitudes of and service provided by the flight attendants (http://www.askthepilot.com/worlds-best-airline/).
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:56 am

wow, just wow.

I'm not for a moment surprised by AAB, nor the obvious employment practices by many of the Gulf or Asian carriers, this is a given.

But the eager willingness of way too many a.net members to deride the weight or "grooming" of US F/A's (with the lame correlation of "pride in work") is really disturbing.
It seems that many of you want a pampered cruise ship experience, serviced by cheerful models; that this defines "pride in your work". That F/A has no place as a career, but just a brief stint to earn while she still looks good.
Its an easy guess that it's all men discussing how better they can be served by young women.

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Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:57 am

Disgusting to see A.net members support and perpetrate medieval sexism.
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:34 am

FlyHappy wrote:
wow, just wow.

I'm not for a moment surprised by AAB, nor the obvious employment practices by many of the Gulf or Asian carriers, this is a given.

But the eager willingness of way too many a.net members to deride the weight or "grooming" of US F/A's (with the lame correlation of "pride in work") is really disturbing.
It seems that many of you want a pampered cruise ship experience, serviced by cheerful models; that this defines "pride in your work". That F/A has no place as a career, but just a brief stint to earn while she still looks good.
Its an easy guess that it's all men discussing how better they can be served by young women.

Today, I feel sad for my daughter.



I feel sad along with you. These are the same people who will walk on a plane with their headphones on ignoring US FAs greeting them at the door, clip their toenails on a tray table, grab a flight attendant by the hair for a coke and expect them to care that they're thirsty when carts are being thrown around through turbulence (true stories)
To claim "US" flight attendants are ugly, fat, take no pride in their work only reflect how you carry yourself through your profession. I've met my fair share of horrible employees, I've had my bad days, and in no way will you find me standing on a soap box to criticize a whole work group because of a handful of bad experiences.
Type in "AASTEWS" in google and look at the images and you'll see mostly a young vibrant, fresh, happy group of flight attendants and that isn't limited to AA but you will find MANY at Delta AND United who take pride in how they look, carry themselves and represent their airlines. The same way some of you complain about others makes me wonder about how you even can stand staring at yourselves in your broken mirrors.

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Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:36 am

OB1504 wrote:
Speaking as someone whose car was nearly destroyed by Qatar Airways (if the aircraft had crashed it would've done so in the employee parking lot), I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it one of the worst incidents of the century.


They got lucky, so everyone lived. But it's hard to believe the CRM failures documented in the report. I also have a hard time believing that no one on the entire crew heard or felt a scrape bad enough to leave a two-foot gash and 90 separate dents, but even if you give them the benefit of the doubt the poor communication between pilots is hard to believe.

And then al-Baker made matters worse by saying it was no big deal and trying to blame ATC.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:34 am

I fly a lot overseas and have been on practically every airline.

His comments a few years ago were very true although not for the reasons he used. Crews had a very low morale level especially on aa and ua. Dl dipped but not much and is now on par w many European and Asian carriers.

Luv rules and has some very experienced crews.

No question about weight issues. Big problem in US and not just w crews.

I think one difference is the amount and frequency of flying done is the us due to size and amount of business.

When you are flying 3-4 times a month just get me there on time and I'm good.

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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:43 am

May he never grow old---
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:50 am

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Actually, the "aged" FA's usually provide better service and don't bitch as much as the middle aged ones going through a mid-life crisis and take it out on passengers. In my many years/flights with the regionals, AA, DL, US, NK, B6, WN, and VX, the "more seniored" FA's and the new hires provide excellent customer service while most of the "mid aged" ones I've come across gripe about their company and act like it's a hassle to have you on-board.


I actually concur with this. I work with plenty of Senior FAs, and even worked with THE MOST senior FA at one point. They (usually) are very happy and cheerful, and are fun to be around.

The ones in their 30/40s complain the most, for sure.
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:56 am

No question about weight issues.


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He's right.

All that matters is that the cabin crew can do their job properly and effectively. If they can cook a flank steak in butter the Ron Swanson way, all the better.
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:03 am

It is easy to say if you have practically no FAs that are citizens of the country our airline operates from.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:31 am

This topic is like sticking your whole hand into a wasp's nest, thinking that the wasps simply won't care. Thoughtless? Politically incorrect? Certainly! On the other hand, the number one comment I hear from people who fly internationally is that American carriers are the worst, with United getting the worst of the worst comments. Typical complaints are the planes interiors are not as clean and/or up to date as other international carriers such as Singapore, Cathay Pacific, ANA, etc. I continually hear how flight attendants on American carriers flying internationally are generally much older than flight attendants on other international carriers, that the flight attendants on American carriers flying internationally tend to be surly and less polite. I don't know if that is true, because when I have flown international, I have never flown on an American carrier.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:56 am

In the end it is one of the statements his competitors in Europe and the US will be happy to save and bring up again whenever QR wants more traffic rights.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:21 am

Whilst AAB's views are undiplomatic and typically outspoken for sure, he says it as he sees it.
If YOU were looking for staff in a public service position for your company and interviewing a range of suitably qualified candidates ranging from keen, well-made up, pretty mid-twenties lasses to chubby been-there-done-that-know-it-all older candidates, what would you do ?
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:30 am

AAB working to bring U.S airlines and its unions on common ground, I see.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:43 am

winginit wrote:
I've seen Al-Baker at a few conferences over the past few years, and the man can't be an inch taller than maybe 5'4" (163cm). Maybe we should start proclaiming that his tiny stature hinders his ability to lead given he doesn't have the 'appearance' of someone in power?

That would be ridiculous no? And yet it's virtually no different from what he's said here. What a clown.


Nail on the head. Although, sadly, I suspect this might provide an insight into his characteristics and business tendencies... Napoleon complex anyone?
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:00 am

TC957 wrote:
Whilst AAB's views are undiplomatic and typically outspoken for sure, he says it as he sees it.
If YOU were looking for staff in a public service position for your company and interviewing a range of suitably qualified candidates ranging from keen, well-made up, pretty mid-twenties lasses to chubby been-there-done-that-know-it-all older candidates, what would you do ?


Older does not mean unmotivated and chubby. There are also young candidates that are chubby and / or unmotivated. If he simply thinks of the FAs as eye candy, he has a point, if he would understand them as service professionals he would maybe have a different opinion. Older FAs are often fluent in more languages and have a much wider experience in customer contact. At least if the company gives them room to grow and trains them constantly.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:25 am

TC957 wrote:
Whilst AAB's views are undiplomatic and typically outspoken for sure, he says it as he sees it.
If YOU were looking for staff in a public service position for your company and interviewing a range of suitably qualified candidates ranging from keen, well-made up, pretty mid-twenties lasses to chubby been-there-done-that-know-it-all older candidates, what would you do ?


I HAVE owned service businesses, and I would hire the ones who provide the best service and have the best attitudes and whose performance and attitude are likely to get the best reaction from customers.

And hiring people because they are pretty does not yield the results that this idiot AAB appears to think that they do. Some pretty people very often have entitled or standoffish attitudes that do not go over well with customers, or a lack of work ethic that doesn't go over well with me. But I don't prejudge that either. Because the proper experience of everyone with a brain is that not a single stereotype is going to help you choose the right person. You just have to look at performance and customer satisfaction. And remedy your mistakes by replacing the mistakes, training costs be danged. That way, you end up with an excellent, easy to work with workforce that customers love and who get the job done. Every person who isn't pulling their weight is preventing someone who wants that job and would be good at that job from having that job. And when you hire and weed in this manner, and step back and look at your workforce, you're going to find that it is -- always -- very diverse. Because you are focusing on one thing -- performance -- and not on all those other things that distract people like this idiot AAB.

The bottom line is you hire talent, period. And that gets results.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:35 am

wjcandee wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Whilst AAB's views are undiplomatic and typically outspoken for sure, he says it as he sees it.
If YOU were looking for staff in a public service position for your company and interviewing a range of suitably qualified candidates ranging from keen, well-made up, pretty mid-twenties lasses to chubby been-there-done-that-know-it-all older candidates, what would you do ?


I HAVE owned service businesses, and I would hire the ones who provide the best service and have the best attitudes and whose performance and attitude are likely to get the best reaction from customers.

And hiring people because they are pretty does not yield the results that this idiot AAB appears to think that they do. Some pretty people very often have entitled or standoffish attitudes that do not go over well with customers, or a lack of work ethic that doesn't go over well with me. But I don't prejudge that either. Because the proper experience of everyone with a brain is that not a single stereotype is going to help you choose the right person. You just have to look at performance and customer satisfaction. And remedy your mistakes by replacing the mistakes, training costs be danged. That way, you end up with an excellent, easy to work with workforce that customers love and who get the job done. Every person who isn't pulling their weight is preventing someone who wants that job and would be good at that job from having that job. And when you hire and weed in this manner, and step back and look at your workforce, you're going to find that it is -- always -- very diverse. Because you are focusing on one thing -- performance -- and not on all those other things that distract people like this idiot AAB.

The bottom line is you hire talent, period. And that gets results.


While I disagree with his comment, QR has won many awards across different platforms for its service - while the US3 have not. One could argue QR did indeed hire talent that got results.
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:56 am

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/the-tru ... r-airways/

This is an interesting read about how Qatar treat their staff.
They do live in dorms and are heavily supervised.
They can be fired almost on a whim.

I have flown Qatar and the service was very good.. but the article made me think..
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:58 am

It's pretty disgusting how in 2017 women are objectified and it seems completely ok. Unreal....
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:04 pm

I only fly a few times a year, but I've never had a bad experience flying mainly NW/DL. Of course, I just mainly want to be left alone, I don't need to be pampered and my diaper changed, like some here seem to need.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:11 pm

The age remarks sound like coming from another time. When did the "hot pants" era end for flight attendants in the west? In the mid seventies I'd say.
BTW: There is nothing more enjoyable than flying with some experienced, relaxed cabin crew that has seen it all before and knows their trade. I honestly prefer those crews over newbies. I think they even calm down potential troublemakers with their experienced attitude.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:33 pm

flight152 wrote:
Why do people support these airlines again?


Because they are actually good, and offer consistently good, reliable, friendly service, that is incidentally far far superior to those of the US3??? Maybe, yes?...

As a side note...those poor young, sexualized, exploited flight attendants are not exactly forced into that dirt pit that cabin crew international flying is...
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:37 pm

Having younger FAs is just a glitzy promotion. But seriously, who books tickets on airlines because the FAs are young and good looking?

Ultimately, its the price, schedules, connectivity, service and frequent flyer miles etc that people look at while booking tickets. The only way they would get any benefit by employing young FAs is probably saving on higher pay for seniority. And even there, if they took in people without age bias as long as they are medically fit, it wouldn't matter.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:46 pm

TC957 wrote:
Whilst AAB's views are undiplomatic and typically outspoken for sure, he says it as he sees it.
If YOU were looking for staff in a public service position for your company and interviewing a range of suitably qualified candidates ranging from keen, well-made up, pretty mid-twenties lasses to chubby been-there-done-that-know-it-all older candidates, what would you do ?


AAB has the luxury of being "outspoken" in Qatar. If he were operating in the United States, his comments would likely get him sued for discrimination. We have legal protections against discrimination on the basis of age and sex, and for good reason.

If you wanted to staff up on customer service in the US, then you actually have to hire on the basis of customer service - not age, not sex.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:09 pm

blrsea wrote:
.... But seriously, who books tickets on airlines because the FAs are young and good looking? .


I answered this question few times in the past, every time it was reported to gods and got deleted.
All posts are just opinions.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:50 pm

QueenoftheSkies wrote:
It's pretty disgusting how in 2017 women are objectified and it seems completely ok. Unreal....


Thank you. And it's not just objectified. In these places, women are subjugated. I'm mystified as to why that's accepted as okay by the West.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:56 pm

blockski wrote:
AAB has the luxury of being "outspoken" in Qatar. If he were operating in the United States, his comments would likely get him sued for discrimination. We have legal protections against discrimination on the basis of age and sex, and for good reason.

If you wanted to staff up on customer service in the US, then you actually have to hire on the basis of customer service - not age, not sex.


One of the posters earlier in this thread seemed to talk about how it being a shame that US carriers couldn't do this in the US "because of labor laws", as if any enlightened company would WANT to do this, and also as if those pesky labor laws were some sort of thing that we wish we didn't have. Our labor laws arise from and reflect an appropriate interpretation of our constitution and cultural values.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:58 pm

There was some interesting tabloid story in sweden about the daily life of a flight attendant at Qatar Airways some time ago:
Hope some link is permitted:
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/the-tru ... r-airways/
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:27 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
blrsea wrote:
.... But seriously, who books tickets on airlines because the FAs are young and good looking? .


I answered this question few times in the past, every time it was reported to gods and got deleted.


Exactly...who is the trigger happy person on here who keeps deleting posts? How are we supposed to have a discussion if we can't...you know....DISCUSS THINGS!
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:40 pm

ME carriers never promote their black crew in ads, etc. EK do sometimes in crew recruitment promos, I tink Saudia, Kuwait, Gulf, don't even hire them anymore.
 
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Re: The boss of Qatar Airways ridicules American carriers for their aged flight attendants

Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:47 pm

blockski wrote:

If you wanted to staff up on customer service in the US, then you actually have to hire on the basis of customer service - not age, not sex.


What about religions? know some Muslims refused employment based on it, and told sternly never to apply there again.

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