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G4 Pulling Out of STS

Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:22 pm

 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:11 am

loisencroach wrote:
http://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/northbay/sonomacounty/7184907-181/allegiant-ceases-flights-to-las


That's sad news. I love the Russian River area, but seasonal may be the go.

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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:24 am

So maybe we now know why AAG didn't start STS-LAS. Instead they seem to be doing very well sticking with their daily intra-CA routes (to LAX, SAN, SNA) and to the PNW at both PDX and SEA. In fact, I wonder if AS might even add a couple more flights/routes out of Santa Rosa?

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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:18 am

SANFan wrote:
So maybe we now know why AAG didn't start STS-LAS. Instead they seem to be doing very well sticking with their daily intra-CA routes (to LAX, SAN, SNA) and to the PNW at both PDX and SEA. In fact, I wonder if AS might even add a couple more flights/routes out of Santa Rosa?

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AS used to have STS-LAS flights. They were discontinued right before they began STS-SAN flights. I wouldn't be surprised if they add a couple of additional flights, but probably not to LAS anytime soon. The other thing I've heard is that Horizon will introduce the E-175's to STS some time this year.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:57 am

Also, Sun Country load factors STS-MSP are so far at 40% for next month's service inauguration:

http://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/ ... es-ceo-out
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:32 am

loisencroach wrote:
Also, Sun Country load factors STS-MSP are so far at 40% for next month's service inauguration:

http://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/ ... es-ceo-out


That's pretty good for an oddball route. Remember this new weekly flight is essentially to reduce the cost of Sun Country needing to ferry an aircraft to STS, to that they can do charters from STS on Fridays and Saturdays. Any pax carried are a bonus.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:39 am

Dominion301 wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
Also, Sun Country load factors STS-MSP are so far at 40% for next month's service inauguration:

http://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/ ... es-ceo-out


That's pretty good for an oddball route. Remember this new weekly flight is essentially to reduce the cost of Sun Country needing to ferry an aircraft to STS, to that they can do charters from STS on Fridays and Saturdays. Any pax carried are a bonus.


Didn't know that. What charters are they flying from STS?
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:41 am

loisencroach wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
Also, Sun Country load factors STS-MSP are so far at 40% for next month's service inauguration:

http://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/ ... es-ceo-out


That's pretty good for an oddball route. Remember this new weekly flight is essentially to reduce the cost of Sun Country needing to ferry an aircraft to STS, to that they can do charters from STS on Fridays and Saturdays. Any pax carried are a bonus.


Didn't know that. What charters are they flying from STS?

OK, now that makes sense.
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:32 am

I heard DL was trying to go in there but was turned away due to lack of space. If true, I wonder if this would allow them to possibly go in there. I know space is very limited with the boarding area being a tent and airline leased spaces in trailers.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:18 pm

I think that the area has too affluent pax to fly on G4, or the ones that would are too used to using SFO or OAK for the more options, especially if something goes haywire.
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:07 pm

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I think that the area has too affluent pax to fly on G4, or the ones that would are too used to using SFO or OAK for the more options, especially if something goes haywire.


I don't believe that's a real thing. You can't be too affluent to fly G4 and then go get on a Q400.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:03 pm

kcrwflyer wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
I think that the area has too affluent pax to fly on G4, or the ones that would are too used to using SFO or OAK for the more options, especially if something goes haywire.


I don't believe that's a real thing. You can't be too affluent to fly G4 and then go get on a Q400.

But that's why QX is successful at STS, the area is affluent enough to pay a premium to avoid the drive to SFO. Those looking for the lowest prices use their cars and SFO or OAK. A Q400 is certainly a step above the 101.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:19 pm

Aliqiout wrote:
kcrwflyer wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
I think that the area has too affluent pax to fly on G4, or the ones that would are too used to using SFO or OAK for the more options, especially if something goes haywire.


I don't believe that's a real thing. You can't be too affluent to fly G4 and then go get on a Q400.

But that's why QX is successful at STS, the area is affluent enough to pay a premium to avoid the drive to SFO. Those looking for the lowest prices use their cars and SFO or OAK. A Q400 is certainly a step above the 101.


Yeah but people with money fly ULCCs more often than you think. If they're the only nonstop option then they'll get on them all the same.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:25 pm

thats too bad...I know someone who lives there who would fly to Las Vegas for a few days to visit her daughter there, then fly on to Cedar Rapids here on G4 to visit family.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:41 pm

G4 probally had a chance of making it work if they did a bit better in advertising in the area. Sun Country I totally forgot about having a flight out of STS and with their low frequency I would figure it would be hard to fill. Also the pricing on the STS flight is way more then the SFO flight so the difference in pricing is almost not worth it as you can take the Airport Express for alot less. If you are flying Sun Country then you are very price aware anyways.

I would fly out of STS more if I could find more reasonable prices on all the carriers. With SMF, OAK, SFO within reasonable driving distance they do have to compete a bit for the business. Good for them for all the expansion recently though and hopefully they can get DL to start a flight soon so all the big carriers will be there.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:22 pm

mtnwest1979 wrote:
I think that the area has too affluent pax to fly on G4, or the ones that would are too used to using SFO or OAK for the more options, especially if something goes haywire.

Per the first link,
“Their overall load factor is not where they would like it to be,” said Jon Stout, airport manager.

The carrier has been offering twice-weekly flights from the Santa Rosa airport to Las Vegas. While outbound Thursday flights to Las Vegas have been nearly full, outbound flights on Sundays have been about half full, Stout said.


Full flights for a long weekend type trip but not for longer LAS visits during the week. That may be personal preference about how much time to spend in Vegas. I wonder if that would have changed with a 3X/week schedule.
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:16 pm

loisencroach wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
Also, Sun Country load factors STS-MSP are so far at 40% for next month's service inauguration:

http://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/ ... es-ceo-out


That's pretty good for an oddball route. Remember this new weekly flight is essentially to reduce the cost of Sun Country needing to ferry an aircraft to STS, to that they can do charters from STS on Fridays and Saturdays. Any pax carried are a bonus.


Didn't know that. What charters are they flying from STS?


Going from memory in the thread that I read it in, I think they're doing football and/or Laughlin, NV charters.
 
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Re: G4 Pulling Out of STS

Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:07 pm

Aliqiout wrote:
kcrwflyer wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
I think that the area has too affluent pax to fly on G4, or the ones that would are too used to using SFO or OAK for the more options, especially if something goes haywire.


I don't believe that's a real thing. You can't be too affluent to fly G4 and then go get on a Q400.

But that's why QX is successful at STS, the area is affluent enough to pay a premium to avoid the drive to SFO. Those looking for the lowest prices use their cars and SFO or OAK. A Q400 is certainly a step above the 101.


Those Q400's will eventually change over to E-175's.

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