Significant System Wide Frontier Announcement Tuesday July 18th

Cvgspotter15 · Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:41 pm

Sancho99504 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
What about SNA-CVG it would have Zero competition?
I don't think a Airbus has the capability of making SNA-MIA.

Flyguy

They dropped CVG-LAX, so that would make a lot of sense.

They still have A319s with some A319NEOs on order. That aircraft, as well as 73G and 752 can make SNA to east coast work.

A320 neos

Cvgspotter15 · Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:41 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
They dropped CVG-LAX, so that would make a lot of sense.

They still have A319s with some A319NEOs on order. That aircraft, as well as 73G and 752 can make SNA to east coast work.

A320 neos

And A320s are flown LAX-CVG so they can easily make it

SyracuseAvGeek · Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:45 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Miami wrote:
MIA officials and Frontier executives will hold a press conference tomorrow (July 18) to announce the plans.

Five of the new routes are not currently flown by any airline.

Any guesses?

- Miami

Based on the flurry of information I'm going to guess

TTN (new)
GRR (new)
OKC (new)
MKE (new)
OMA (new)
AUS (already flown by AA)
CVG (already flown by AA)
BUF (already flown by AA)

MIA-BUF is not flown by AA.

SyracuseAvGeek · Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:52 pm

cvgComair wrote:
BUF is also getting routes tomorrow.

Do you think that the service could be thru IAG?

Midwestindy · Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:55 pm

klm617 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Coupling with was is noted on the OKC F9 thread, MIA-OKC/BUF/GRR?

MIA/FLL-OKC 62 PDEW
MIA/FLL-GRR 35 PDEW

Higher PDEW cities could be served from MIA

It has been speculated that they are opening a hub at CVG so my guess is all three of these will get Nonstops to CVG

I understand that to be likely according to the Rest of Ohio thread, but even with connections it will be hard for these routes to work.
CVG-BUF-8 PDEW CVG-GRR-7 PDEW CVG-OKC-13 PDEW

Although, there are a lot of routes that F9 could move from seasonal to year round out of CVG...plus CVG-AUS/MIA/PDX seem like they are possibilities

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:57 pm

MKE officials want a MIA nonstop so that makes sense as a certain one of the eight. They've got only seasonal to FLL I believe on WN though Allegiant recently announced FLL-MKE though I am not sure that is year-round or seasonal. ALmost certainly sub daily.

Miami · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:02 pm

Miami wrote:
MIA officials and Frontier executives will hold a press conference tomorrow (July 18) to announce the plans.

Five of the new routes are not currently flown by any airline.

Any guesses?

- Miami

What the? Why is this even here.. Mods, delete this.

F9Animal · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:19 pm

Frontier14 wrote:
PDX has run three a day this summer from DEN. Seems foolish to totally eliminate that market, if it should happen.

Frontier 14

PDX is not leaving. It's a good market, has great loads, and has been a long time city for F9.

I am excited to hear BUF!!! The fares are insane into BUF. I was pricing fares a few months ago and was shocked at how high they were.

MAH4546 · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:21 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Miami wrote:
MIA officials and Frontier executives will hold a press conference tomorrow (July 18) to announce the plans.

Five of the new routes are not currently flown by any airline.

Any guesses?

- Miami

Based on the flurry of information I'm going to guess

TTN (new)
GRR (new)
OKC (new)
MKE (new)
OMA (new)
AUS (already flown by AA)
CVG (already flown by AA)
BUF (already flown by AA)

Sligh correction, but BUF is not flown by AA but OMA is (odd, I know - daily to Omaha and nothing to Buffalo).

cvgComair · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:21 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
BUF is also getting routes tomorrow.

Where/how did you acquire this information?

From another forum. It is listed as a possible destination on their website aparently.

SyracuseAvGeek · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:36 pm

When would these new services start?

Midwestindy · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:45 pm

cvgComair wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
BUF is also getting routes tomorrow.

Where/how did you acquire this information?

From another forum. It is listed as a possible destination on their website aparently.

https://flights.flyfrontier.com/en/

Am I looking in the wrong place? not seeing OKC, BUF, or GRR listed under "chose your destination"

cvgComair · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:46 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Where/how did you acquire this information?

From another forum. It is listed as a possible destination on their website aparently.

https://flights.flyfrontier.com/en/

Am I looking in the wrong place? not seeing OKC, BUF, or GRR listed under "chose your destination"

I have not been able to find it either, someone else said it was listed on a secondary page on their website. GRR/OKC have had the announcement teased by their respective airport boards.

ooslc · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:47 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Where/how did you acquire this information?

From another forum. It is listed as a possible destination on their website aparently.

https://flights.flyfrontier.com/en/

Am I looking in the wrong place? not seeing OKC, BUF, or GRR listed under "chose your destination"

Only place I see it is on the Buffalo airport Wikipedia page. With a question mark and no reference.

cvgComair · Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:49 pm

ooslc wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
From another forum. It is listed as a possible destination on their website aparently.

https://flights.flyfrontier.com/en/

Am I looking in the wrong place? not seeing OKC, BUF, or GRR listed under "chose your destination"

Only place I see it is on the Buffalo airport Wikipedia page. With a question mark and no reference.

I just reverted that edit, not sure why someone added that.

Apparently ABQ/RNO/ONT/PSP/OKC/BUF/GRR were listed on F9's website this morning but have since been removed. Besides this list, I am hearing SJC is being added as well.

lakeeffect · Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:15 pm

What I've noticed is that AA has aggressively price matched the ULCC carriers to their hubs. It would make sense that F9 would launch 5 routes to MIA that are currently unserved because they can have the market to themselves. The question is whether AA would feel inclined to throw a couple competing regional jets in these new markets that F9 will be launching?

Sancho99504 · Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:38 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:

They still have A319s with some A319NEOs on order. That aircraft, as well as 73G and 752 can make SNA to east coast work.

A320 neos

And A320s are flown LAX-CVG so they can easily make it

They have 18 A319NEOs on order, which was 20 originally. And we're talking about SNA-MIA, not LAX-CVG. LAX runways are twice as long as SNA. The A320 CEO or NEO would be heavily weight restricted to fly anything over 3 hours from SNA, IMO.

globalflyer · Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:41 pm

What routes will be axed at the expense of the new routes? I cannot keep up from F9. Never know which cities or days of the week they fly... Really need an online timetable.

MAH4546 · Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:45 pm

globalflyer wrote:
What routes will be axed at the expense of the new routes? I cannot keep up from F9. Never know which cities or days of the week they fly... Really need an online timetable.

It's in the OAG thread. There are a ton of routes ending Oct 3/Oct 4. Some "seasonally" I'm sure, but they were previously bookable through end of schedule nonetheless.

Lot's of East-West flying (CVGLAX, GSODEN, PITLAS, DTWPHX off the top of my head) and some of the more unusual non-leisure market flying like MSPCVG, TTNRDU, PHLAUS.

815Oceanic · Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:50 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Miami wrote:
MIA officials and Frontier executives will hold a press conference tomorrow (July 18) to announce the plans.

Five of the new routes are not currently flown by any airline.

Any guesses?

- Miami

Based on the flurry of information I'm going to guess

TTN (new)
GRR (new)
OKC (new)
MKE (new)
OMA (new)
AUS (already flown by AA)
CVG (already flown by AA)
BUF (already flown by AA)

AA doesn't fly BUF-MIA

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:19 am

MCI also teased at a new route announcment for tomorrow. Via Justin Meyer one of their airport ops managers on Twitter jsut now

phluser · Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:36 am

lakeeffect wrote:
What I've noticed is that AA has aggressively price matched the ULCC carriers to their hubs. It would make sense that F9 would launch 5 routes to MIA that are currently unserved because they can have the market to themselves. The question is whether AA would feel inclined to throw a couple competing regional jets in these new markets that F9 will be launching?

Probably AA would just fare match BUF/MKE-CLT-MIA to some extent, than offer regional jet service to match a 1100+ mile route against F9. If BUF comes onboard, it would make sense also for a BUF-DFW but it's NK that is large on the DFW side.

usairways85 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:40 am

What I don't get is that many of these cities are not the stereotypical warm weather destinations that F9 flips the schedule towards in the winter. AUS, MCI, BUF, OKC, SJC? Unless all of these new winter routes are AUS/MCI/BUF/OKC - Florida, PUJ, CUN, SJU, Mexico?

slcdeltarumd11 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:45 am

I would love to see Frontier try BTV-Florida. Spirit and Allegiant are very happy in Plattsburgh right across the lake, so they wont retaliate. The legacies and jetblue all go for the connection approach

mariner · Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:47 am

usairways85 wrote:
What I don't get is that many of these cities are not the stereotypical warm weather destinations that F9 flips the schedule towards in the winter. AUS, MCI, BUF, OKC, SJC? Unless all of these new winter routes are AUS/MCI/BUF/OKC - Florida, PUJ, CUN, SJU, Mexico?

Hey, why not?

mariner

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:48 am

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I would love to see Frontier try BTV-Florida. Spirit and Allegiant are very happy in Pittsburgh right across the lake, so they wont retaliate. The legacies and jetblue all go for the connection approach

I lived and grew up in VT until moving to TPA 6 years ago. Always craved for more BTV service.

I agree though, F9; BTV-MCO/TPA and a winter DEN flight would work.

G4 and NK do well with PBG, F9 can be the matching factor on the BTV side of Lake Champlain.

SyracuseAvGeek · Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:49 am

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I would love to see Frontier try BTV-Florida. Spirit and Allegiant are very happy in Pittsburgh right across the lake, so they wont retaliate. The legacies and jetblue all go for the connection approach

Your thinking of Plattsburgh, not Pittsburgh

phluser · Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:51 am

knope2001 wrote:
TTN (new)

This would be more a freebie in new route count, as it's more a change of airport situation, TTN-FLL to TTN-MIA. But still,the other new routes into MIA will make this interesting tomorrow.

slcdeltarumd11 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:05 am

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I would love to see Frontier try BTV-Florida. Spirit and Allegiant are very happy in Pittsburgh right across the lake, so they wont retaliate. The legacies and jetblue all go for the connection approach

Your thinking of Plattsburgh, not Pittsburgh

haha SPELL CHECK corrected that one. I fixed it but you were too fast :cool2:

I really do think Frontier could make BTV work. The market to Florida is large but they could totally create more demand with a affordable non-stop and publicity. The local media would eat a new carrier up and offer tons of free publicity.

DeltaRules · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:13 am

cvgComair wrote:
ooslc wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

https://flights.flyfrontier.com/en/

Am I looking in the wrong place? not seeing OKC, BUF, or GRR listed under "chose your destination"

Only place I see it is on the Buffalo airport Wikipedia page. With a question mark and no reference.

I just reverted that edit, not sure why someone added that.

Apparently ABQ/RNO/ONT/PSP/OKC/BUF/GRR were listed on F9's website this morning but have since been removed. Besides this list, I am hearing SJC is being added as well.

Keep in mind FlyCMH in the Ohio thread pointed out CMH-MIA and -TPA are now listed as options...via DEN.

cheapgreek · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:21 am

Sancho99504 wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

A320 neos

And A320s are flown LAX-CVG so they can easily make it

They have 18 A319NEOs on order, which was 20 originally. And we're talking about SNA-MIA, not LAX-CVG. LAX runways are twice as long as SNA. The A320 CEO or NEO would be heavily weight restricted to fly anything over 3 hours from SNA, IMO.

SNA has the advantage of being a west coast airport and all flights travel east with the prevailing winds. CO used to do SNA-EWR non-stop.

cvgComair · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:23 am

The dates now say "Booking through 04/07/2018", no new routes are up yet, but should be soon :-)

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BTVB6Flyer · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:27 am

Also just thought about this, but long 'announced' TPA-COS should be able to be booked an officially announced with schedule in this upcoming release, since the latest was it would come "Fall 2017"

rph99 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:35 am

Frontier is my favorite airline. Been flying them since 1994. Seen a lot of change but have also stuck with them through it. This is mostly because I'm in Denver and they are my hometown airline.

Really hoping this announcement doesn't include cuts at DEN.

cvgComair · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:37 am

CVG-MIA begins Oct 4, CLE-MIA begins Oct 5

MAH4546 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:39 am

cvgComair wrote:
The dates now say "Booking through 04/07/2018", no new routes are up yet, but should be soon .

They are starting to show up.

Miami is getting Cincinnati (3w), Cleveland (3w), Detroit (4w), Milwaukee (daily), Providence (daily), San Juan (daily, and a redeye!) among current Frontier stations, and New York-LaGuardia (daily) is resuming as well (not sure if that counts as "new" or "resumed").

So then assume one or two of the new stations also get a Miami flight - maybe Buffalo and Oklahoma City.

Finally Milwaukee and Providence get MIA service after AA has ignored them for so long.

And looks like Frontier will pull out of Fort Lauderdale.

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:44 am

So far seeing TPA-PVD/CMH on the TPA side....still looking.

msycajun · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:45 am

Seeing some new things showing up for MSY:
Seeing MSY-SAT 4 weekly
MSY-PVD 3 weekly
MSY-AUS is showing up as a one stop MSY-AUS-SAN

MAH4546 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:47 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing TPA-PVD/CMH on the TPA side....still looking.

TPA is getting IND, MCI, PVD, LAS and COS.

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:49 am

MAH4546 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing TPA-PVD/CMH on the TPA side....still looking.

TPA is getting IND, MCI, PVD, LAS and COS.

TPA already has LAS on F9 daily....I see CMH as 2x weekly as well.

rajincajun01 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:51 am

RDU-DEN goes from daily to 3x weekly. RDU gains AUS 2x weekly. GSO is gone. TPA is getting MSP too.

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:18 am

MAH4546 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing TPA-PVD/CMH on the TPA side....still looking.

TPA is getting IND, MCI, PVD, LAS and COS.

Found TPA-MKE as well and the above noted CMH.

SO far for TPA: IND, MCI, PVD, COS, CMH, MKE

MKE22 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:20 am

MAH4546 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
The dates now say "Booking through 04/07/2018", no new routes are up yet, but should be soon .

They are starting to show up.

Miami is getting Cincinnati (3w), Cleveland (3w), Detroit (4w), Milwaukee (daily)

Finally Milwaukee and Providence get MIA service after AA has ignored them for so long.

Looking at some random dates I pulled up on F9's web-site, MKE-MIA operating as F9 flight 1511 departs at 8:13pm and arrives 10:33pm. MIA-MKE operating as F9 flight 1508 departs 6:29am and arrives in MKE at 11:05am.

I'd post the screenshot, but I can't per upload reqirements.

DeltaRules · Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:25 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing TPA-PVD/CMH on the TPA side....still looking.

TPA is getting IND, MCI, PVD, LAS and COS.

Found TPA-MKE as well and the above noted CMH.

SO far for TPA: IND, MCI, PVD, COS, CMH, MKE

What days does CMH-TPA run and when does it start? I believe it, I just haven't found it yet.

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:29 am

DeltaRules wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

TPA is getting IND, MCI, PVD, LAS and COS.

Found TPA-MKE as well and the above noted CMH.

SO far for TPA: IND, MCI, PVD, COS, CMH, MKE

What days does CMH-TPA run and when does it start? I believe it, I just haven't found it yet.

Havn't pinpointed start dat yet, but actually looks to be 3x weekly, I'm seeing it as early as 2/11 but could be sooner. 4:15pm-6:15pm CMH-TPA and 1:10pm-3:25pm TPA-CMH

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:29 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing TPA-PVD/CMH on the TPA side....still looking.

TPA is getting IND, MCI, PVD, LAS and COS.

Found TPA-MKE as well and the above noted CMH.

SO far for TPA: IND, MCI, PVD, COS, CMH, MKE

Add STL to this list

cvgComair · Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:31 am

DeltaRules wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

TPA is getting IND, MCI, PVD, LAS and COS.

Found TPA-MKE as well and the above noted CMH.

SO far for TPA: IND, MCI, PVD, COS, CMH, MKE

What days does CMH-TPA run and when does it start? I believe it, I just haven't found it yet.

Dec 17, 3x/week, Su, Tu, Th

[email protected] · Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:33 am

Midwestindy wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Coupling with was is noted on the OKC F9 thread, MIA-OKC/BUF/GRR?

MIA/FLL-OKC 62 PDEW
MIA/FLL-GRR 35 PDEW

Higher PDEW cities could be served from MIA

Seems A.nutters often forget about demand stimulation from lower fares.

SANFan · Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:56 am

I do see PDX service in mid-November, as well as SNA-DEN and SJC-DEN service. So that's 2 cities that are definitely not dropped plus one NEW city. That's all I've found so far.

bb

Sancho99504 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:12 am

cheapgreek wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

And A320s are flown LAX-CVG so they can easily make it

They have 18 A319NEOs on order, which was 20 originally. And we're talking about SNA-MIA, not LAX-CVG. LAX runways are twice as long as SNA. The A320 CEO or NEO would be heavily weight restricted to fly anything over 3 hours from SNA, IMO.

SNA has the advantage of being a west coast airport and all flights travel east with the prevailing winds. CO used to do SNA-EWR non-stop.

CO sure did operate it with a 73G and UA still operates it with a 73G.
DL operates SNA-ATL with a 757-200.
UA operates SNA-ORD with an a320 and 73G, AA is 738.
SNA-IAH is a mix of 738, 73G and A320.
SNA-DFW is all 738.
It's 3.5 hours SNA-ORD, both DFW and IAH are just a hare under 3 hours and all can be done on just about any 737 or A320 family aircraft without a significant weight restriction.

Atl is 4 hours and DL does it with a 752 so they can take as many people in one trip without a weight restriction, and UA does EWR in 5 hours with a 73G, which they could use a 752 or A319 if they wanted.
Like I said, F9 couldn't do MIA with anything more than an A319.

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