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MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:04 pm

Top 25: Ranked by O&D Market Size
Airport, Largest Share %, Carrier with Largest Share, Notes

LAX 23% AA; WN/DL are almost identical at 17.6%
ORD 38% AA; UA trails by just 0.7 points. I was surprised AA leads.
LAS 35% WN
ATL 57% DL
MCO 28% WN
SFO 39% UA
DEN 35% WN, 27% UA
JFK 37% B6; 34% DL
BOS 29% B6
SEA 43% AS
EWR 66% UA
DFW 72% AA
PHX 39% WN; 34% AA
LGA 37% DL
FLL 25% B6; 18% NK
MSP 50% DL
DCA 43% AA
PHL 58% AA
SAN 38% WN
MIA 74% AA
DTW 54% DL
IAH 65% UA
BWI 59% WN
TPA 35% WN
PDX 33% AS

If you go top 35 it becomes MDW (93% WN)/DAL (88% WN) as most dominated.

DB1B 12 months ended March 2017
O&D Traffic from Largest Airline / Total O&D Traffic from the Airport
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:08 pm

Well when a lot of the low[er] fare local market is heading to FLL/DAL it is no surprise the hub airline at the larger airport has such a high percentage.

Looking at markets as a whole, and not individual airports, would tell a more interesting story.
 
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:11 pm

I'm pleasantly surprised DL only has 50% of MSP traffic. Means we have some healthy competition.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:12 pm

With respect, I'd suggest that in several notable cases - ORD/MDW, JFK/LGA/EWR, DFW/DAL, IAH/HOU, DCA/IAD/BWI, possibly MIA/FLL and SFO/SJC/OAK, etc. - this comparison is fairly incomplete if not meaningless unless regional airports are aggregated. In markets of that size, there is extensive overlap in the O&D demand with multiple competitors fighting for, to a large extent, the same passengers across multiple airports.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:13 pm

Elementalism wrote:
I'm pleasantly surprised DL only has 50% of MSP traffic. Means we have some healthy competition.

Well that is Sun Country for you, whose traffic is dominated by MSP point of sale.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:23 pm

Is this domestic only?

AA carries just under 60% of MIA's total traffic, which is down from it's peak a few years ago that was closer to 70%, as AA growth has slowed down and others have added.
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:47 pm

Do you have the actual numbers for these totals?

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Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:49 pm

Polot wrote:
Well when a lot of the low[er] fare local market is heading to FLL/DAL it is no surprise the hub airline at the larger airport has such a high percentage.

Looking at markets as a whole, and not individual airports, would tell a more interesting story.


I can agree to your statement when it comes to FLL, but DAL is a bit of an oddball. The lower fare local market and the diversity in competition in Dallas is at DFW. Looking at airports individually, DAL is a case of monopoly abuse.
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:49 pm

Elementalism wrote:
I'm pleasantly surprised DL only has 50% of MSP traffic. Means we have some healthy competition.



It's also very telling that even though Delta has about 75% of the flight operations at ATL/DTW/MSP that people aren't all that pleased with the service they get from them as a whole because they are choosing to book away from their hub carrier 50% of the time. That being said people prefer a reasonable price over a nonstop flight and Delta commands a higher than average fare from it's hubs where there is no direct competition.
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:50 pm

Very surprised AA beats UA in ORD. Especially given UA's much larger international network out of there.
 
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:54 pm

TerminalD wrote:
Top 25: Ranked by O&D Market Size
Airport, Largest Share %, Carrier with Largest Share, Notes

LAX 23% AA; WN/DL are almost identical at 17.6%
ORD 38% AA; UA trails by just 0.7 points. I was surprised AA leads.
LAS 35% WN
ATL 57% DL
MCO 28% WN
SFO 39% UA
DEN 35% WN, 27% UA
JFK 37% B6; 34% DL
BOS 29% B6
SEA 43% AS
EWR 66% UA
DFW 72% AA
PHX 39% WN; 34% AA
LGA 37% DL
FLL 25% B6; 18% NK
MSP 50% DL
DCA 43% AA
PHL 58% AA
SAN 38% WN
MIA 74% AA
DTW 54% DL
IAH 65% UA
BWI 59% WN
TPA 35% WN
PDX 33% AS

If you go top 35 it becomes MDW (93% WN)/DAL (88% WN) as most dominated.

DB1B 12 months ended March 2017
O&D Traffic from Largest Airline / Total O&D Traffic from the Airport



CLT seems to be missing from this list.
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:00 pm

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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:12 pm

DolphinAir747 wrote:
Very surprised AA beats UA in ORD. Especially given UA's much larger international network out of there.

These numbers are for mainline O&D numbers only. It doesn't include connecting traffic of regionals. UA is likely to be the largest overall carrier with a lot of connecting traffic. Also the reason why DL "only" has 57% at ATL or UA only has 35% at DEN.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:18 pm

klm617 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
I'm pleasantly surprised DL only has 50% of MSP traffic. Means we have some healthy competition.



It's also very telling that even though Delta has about 75% of the flight operations at ATL/DTW/MSP that people aren't all that pleased with the service they get from them as a whole because they are choosing to book away from their hub carrier 50% of the time. That being said people prefer a reasonable price over a nonstop flight and Delta commands a higher than average fare from it's hubs where there is no direct competition.


Don't get to excited, add in DL's substantial regional feed and that number is probably closer to 70%
 
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:21 pm

airbazar wrote:
DolphinAir747 wrote:
Very surprised AA beats UA in ORD. Especially given UA's much larger international network out of there.

These numbers are for mainline O&D numbers only. It doesn't include connecting traffic of regionals. UA is likely to be the largest overall carrier with a lot of connecting traffic. Also the reason why DL "only" has 57% at ATL or UA only has 35% at DEN.


william wrote:
Don't get to excited, add in DL's substantial regional feed and that number is probably closer to 70%


I also got confused--this is O&D only, not connecting. Numbers have to include the regional affiliates for the results shown.

klm617 wrote:
CLT seems to be missing from this list.


CLT is not a top 25 O&D airport.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:24 pm

klm617 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
I'm pleasantly surprised DL only has 50% of MSP traffic. Means we have some healthy competition.



It's also very telling that even though Delta has about 75% of the flight operations at ATL/DTW/MSP that people aren't all that pleased with the service they get from them as a whole because they are choosing to book away from their hub carrier 50% of the time. That being said people prefer a reasonable price over a nonstop flight and Delta commands a higher than average fare from it's hubs where there is no direct competition.



I usually fly Sun Country or SWA. But when I do fly Delta it has been mostly pleasant minus one flight out of MDW. Delta is much better than NWA in my experience.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:34 pm

Of course, airports in the same metro area should be aggregated to gain a sense of how well carriers compete in the same metro area. However, average fares also have to be considered which determine revenue share. All of the US airlines are for-profit companies whose shareholders look for monetary gains and not titles of who carries the largest percentage of passengers. In some cases, the differences can be significant between passenger and revenue share.

On a combined basis, for all US carrier domestic and international traffic, AA carries 37.5% of the MIA/FLL combined market and clearly also is number one in revenue. However, B6 carries 14.2% of passengers for the #2 passenger ranking but DL is #2 on the revenue ranking but carries 13.6% of passengers.
In Chicago, for both ORD and MDW, AA carries 28.1% of passengers, UA carries 27.7, and WN carries 25%. On a revenue basis, UA is the largest airline by carrying 15% more revenue than AA while UA carries almost twice as much revenue as WN does.

At DFW/DAL, AA carries 51.6 and WN carries 24.5, again with AA having revenue dominance; the DAL/DFW numbers are a testament to the power of the two N. Texas airlines to carve up the market between themselves with no other airline able to gain enough mass to challenge AA at DFW or enough space at Love Field to challenge WN.
In IAH/HOU combined, 3 carriers – AA, DL and NK – have 6.5% or more of the market while in DAL/DFW, just DAL reaches that percentage as number 3 even though the DAL/DFW market is larger than HOU/IAH.


On a combined market basis for the metro areas, AA has a smaller percentage of traffic at MIA and DFW than other carriers do at their hub airports.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:53 pm

Elementalism wrote:
I'm pleasantly surprised DL only has 50% of MSP traffic. Means we have some healthy competition.

DL's low shares at DTW/MSP are surprising.
commavia wrote:
this comparison is fairly incomplete if not meaningless unless regional airports are aggregated.

Then you get into an endless debate about which airports to aggregate. At least we can all agree that BOS=BOS. Does MHT=BOS? Does PVD=BOS? Does BDL=BOS? Does BDL=PVD? Is TTN NYC or PHL? That's the ultimate rabbit-hole.
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Is this domestic only?

Yes
SESGDL wrote:
Do you have the actual numbers for these totals?

https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_Select ... n%20Survey
klm617 wrote:
CLT seems to be missing from this list.

Not top 25. #29 AA is 70%
jetero wrote:
I also got confused--this is O&D only, not connecting. Numbers have to include the regional affiliates for the results shown.

It's marketing carrier. So regionals are covered under the brand they fly.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:00 pm

TerminalD wrote:
Then you get into an endless debate about which airports to aggregate. At least we can all agree that BOS=BOS. Does MHT=BOS? Does PVD=BOS? Does BDL=BOS? Does BDL=PVD? Is TTN NYC or PHL? That's the ultimate rabbit-hole.


Maybe, but it's ultimately an inescapable and unavoidable "rabbit hole" because, again, the numbers as displayed are largely meaningless. It doesn't really matter if one particular carrier is an O&D leader at JFK vs EWR vs LGA, or ORD vs MDW, or DFW vs DAL, etc. - carriers are competing for the same traffic, to a very large extent, in those metro markets.

So while I agree with you that some aggregations are tenuous and debatable, I'd submit that the following are relatively straightforward - at least to me:

* NYC - JFK/EWR/LGA
* CHI - ORD/MDW
* DFW - DFW/DAL
* HOU - IAH/HOU
* WAS - DCA/IAD/BWI

Beyond those, I'd say the following are slightly more arguable, but also fairly obvious:

* LA Basin (LAX/SNA/BUR/LGB and possibly ONT)
* Bay Area (SFO/SJC/OAK)
* South Florida (MIA/FLL and possibly PBI)
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:10 pm

Not surprised with MIA at all when you are talking ab out domestic only O/D. AA clearly would dominate out of MIA where the majority of other passengers are international other than a few flights to some U.S. hubs and F9. FLL takes a very large piece of the Miami areas domestic market, especially leisure travelers.
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:18 pm

Interesting stats to look at TerminalD. Thanks for compiling. Never mind those that like to p+++ on your parade.
 
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:34 pm

TVNWZ wrote:
Interesting stats to look at TerminalD. Thanks for compiling. Never mind those that like to p+++ on your parade.



I agree you did a great job and thank you for sharing this data. People want facts and you provide them and then they want them diluted to fit their agenda.
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:34 pm

As several have noted, mainline plus regional is proabbly a better indication of marketshare. Is there any decent source of data for mainline and regional ops combined by airport?
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:10 pm

tlecam wrote:
As several have noted, mainline plus regional is proabbly a better indication of marketshare. Is there any decent source of data for mainline and regional ops combined by airport?


The original poster has indicated that the data reflects marketing, rather than operating, carrier - meaning it apparently includes regionals. Besides aggregation of metro markets, the bigger issue with these numbers, I think, is that it's domestic only - that really skews certain hubs in particular, like AA at MIA, Delta at JFK, United at SFO, etc.
 
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:19 pm

Data has no personality or opinion... it just IS.

But you can't argue that airline X is not affected by cutting capacity at one airport because they have an operation at another airport and then talk about dominance at that airport as if it stands alone.

Either each airport stands on its own or you have to approach the data as markets which might involve multiple airports for the same market. In that case, then it is clear that the market is indeed more heavily divided but it also matters a whole lot less if a carrier serves every route from every airport as long as a carrier can maintain their share of the whole region via one airport.

In most cases, that has not been the case because low cost carriers are growing faster in a number of the nation's top markets than the legacy carriers are.
 
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:21 pm

DL shares will continue to decline for DTW as NK continues to grow. Next year assuming BNA and BDL are added like whats rumored to DTWs network along with 2 daily LAX and DFW returning with a daily BNA and BDL would increase our share in the market unless DL responds more on NK routes which looks like LAX is the one DL has really done anything to keep their share against NK.
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Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:26 am

TerminalD wrote:
Top 25: Ranked by O&D Market Size
Airport, Largest Share %, Carrier with Largest Share, Notes

LAX 23% AA; WN/DL are almost identical at 17.6%
ORD 38% AA; UA trails by just 0.7 points. I was surprised AA leads.
LAS 35% WN
ATL 57% DL
MCO 28% WN
SFO 39% UA
DEN 35% WN, 27% UA
JFK 37% B6; 34% DL
BOS 29% B6
SEA 43% AS
EWR 66% UA
DFW 72% AA
PHX 39% WN; 34% AA
LGA 37% DL
FLL 25% B6; 18% NK
MSP 50% DL
DCA 43% AA
PHL 58% AA
SAN 38% WN
MIA 74% AA
DTW 54% DL
IAH 65% UA
BWI 59% WN
TPA 35% WN
PDX 33% AS

If you go top 35 it becomes MDW (93% WN)/DAL (88% WN) as most dominated.

DB1B 12 months ended March 2017
O&D Traffic from Largest Airline / Total O&D Traffic from the Airport


These numbers aren't correct. DL is closer to 70% at ATL and much higher than 50% at MSP/DTW. Are you not including express carriers?
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Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:37 am

iFlyDTW wrote:
DL shares will continue to decline for DTW as NK continues to grow. Next year assuming BNA and BDL are added like whats rumored to DTWs network along with 2 daily LAX and DFW returning with a daily BNA and BDL would increase our share in the market unless DL responds more on NK routes which looks like LAX is the one DL has really done anything to keep their share against NK.


And that's a good thing people want affordable airfares not nonstops.
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Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:01 am

RDUDDJI wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
Top 25: Ranked by O&D Market Size
Airport, Largest Share %, Carrier with Largest Share, Notes

LAX 23% AA; WN/DL are almost identical at 17.6%
ORD 38% AA; UA trails by just 0.7 points. I was surprised AA leads.
LAS 35% WN
ATL 57% DL
MCO 28% WN
SFO 39% UA
DEN 35% WN, 27% UA
JFK 37% B6; 34% DL
BOS 29% B6
SEA 43% AS
EWR 66% UA
DFW 72% AA
PHX 39% WN; 34% AA
LGA 37% DL
FLL 25% B6; 18% NK
MSP 50% DL
DCA 43% AA
PHL 58% AA
SAN 38% WN
MIA 74% AA
DTW 54% DL
IAH 65% UA
BWI 59% WN
TPA 35% WN
PDX 33% AS

If you go top 35 it becomes MDW (93% WN)/DAL (88% WN) as most dominated.

DB1B 12 months ended March 2017
O&D Traffic from Largest Airline / Total O&D Traffic from the Airport


These numbers aren't correct. DL is closer to 70% at ATL and much higher than 50% at MSP/DTW. Are you not including express carriers?


It's O&D only--does not include connecting.
 
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Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:37 am

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Is this domestic only?

AA carries just under 60% of MIA's total traffic, which is down from it's peak a few years ago that was closer to 70%, as AA growth has slowed down and others have added.


If it is domestic only that's an even better indicator because if you include international the people in those markets have almost no choice when traveling international because the hub carrier in most cases has a monopoly on international routes. Domestically is where there is true choice and more hubs have the LCC and ULCC option..
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Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:07 am

iFlyDTW wrote:
DL shares will continue to decline for DTW as NK continues to grow. Next year assuming BNA and BDL are added like whats rumored to DTWs network along with 2 daily LAX and DFW returning with a daily BNA and BDL would increase our share in the market unless DL responds more on NK routes which looks like LAX is the one DL has really done anything to keep their share against NK.


DL and NK are after two totally different passengers. DL isn't going to fill up planes full of junk fares. Most folks will pay a premium to not sleep on an airport floor for 2 days if the flight cancels.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:56 am

klm617 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
I'm pleasantly surprised DL only has 50% of MSP traffic. Means we have some healthy competition.



It's also very telling that even though Delta has about 75% of the flight operations at ATL/DTW/MSP that people aren't all that pleased with the service they get from them as a whole because they are choosing to book away from their hub carrier 50% of the time. That being said people prefer a reasonable price over a nonstop flight and Delta commands a higher than average fare from it's hubs where there is no direct competition.


I'm not so sure that the math works like that. The way I read these two numbers is:
Delta operates 75% of total flights, and carries 50% of the O&D traffic through MSP.
However, these numbers could be explained in many different ways:

A) It would be true if Delta's aircraft were mostly smaller than other airlines (not really true, although they do operate a large number of regional aircraft in MSP, so it probably plays a small part, even with the widebodies they also oeprate tipping the scale slightly the other way). For example, if "Airline A" operated 3 CRJ-200s seating 50 people a day out of city A, and "Airline B" operated one A320 seating 150 (for the sake of easy math) per day, and both were completely full, then Airline A would operate 75% of the flights and Airline B 25%, but their market share would be 50/50 if both were all O&D.

B) People are connecting on Delta because it's a hub...other than Sun Country and maybe SWA (both airlines' connecting traffic is still pretty small compared to DAL), there are relatively few connecting pax on other airlines. Yes, I'm sure UA has a handfull of pax that fly SFO-MSP-ORD because the fare happens to be cheaper or they get rebooked, but basically not many connecting pax on other airlines. However, just because 150 passengers per day from Fargo choose to connect through MSP does not mean that 150 O&D MSP passengers chose to fly on other airlines. Ok, so let's take the same example above, but say "Airline A" operates 3 CRJ-900s (instead of CRJ-200s) per day seating 75 people (again, for ease of math). Now, let's say that on each of those flights, 25 passengers are connecting from one flight to the other. However, let's say that Airline B is still operating the 150 seat A320, and all pax are O&D. Again, all flights are 100% full. You would still have 150 O&D pax on Airline A, and 150 O&D pax on Airline B, PLUS 75 connecting pax per day. Those connecting pax are not factored into the % above (the poster said O&D only). However, again, just because those 75 people chose to connect does not mean that 75 other people in the hub city chose not to fly on Airline A.

Unless someone can come up with a logic model/math equation to prove me wrong, I think that there really is no way to compute how many people are choosing to fly on one airline over another when all you have is % of total flights and % of O&D traffic if one airline has a large number of connections and the others are mostly O&D.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:00 pm

klm617 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Is this domestic only?

AA carries just under 60% of MIA's total traffic, which is down from it's peak a few years ago that was closer to 70%, as AA growth has slowed down and others have added.


If it is domestic only that's an even better indicator because if you include international the people in those markets have almost no choice when traveling international because the hub carrier in most cases has a monopoly on international routes. Domestically is where there is true choice and more hubs have the LCC and ULCC option..


That is not the case at MIA, which is served by dozens upon dozens of foreign airlines, including ~25 from just Europe. AA has competition on virtually every international route flown from MIA.
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:48 pm

Of course MIA is a very international airport. The difference between MIA, which is the largest US carrier gateway to Latin America, and other gateways - NYC to Europe and LAX to Asia - is that one carrier dominates the MIA international market while DL and UA have a very limited presence in the nonstop international market.

MIA is a hub which means that alot of AA's capacity supports connections, even within the US which is why DL, the 2nd largest carrier at MIA carries about half of the domestic share that AA does.

However, while DL carries some local MIA international market share almost entirely via its other hubs, AA carries much more on nonstops from MIA which is why DL's share of the combined MIA/FLL market including international is about 1/3 of AA's but half of AA's domestic totals.

Of course B6, WN, NK and others carry alot of international traffic from FLL and their numbers are growing at a far faster rate than AA.

Just as EWR was once considered a 2nd rate alternative to LGA and JFK, FLL is now becoming a serious competitor for international traffic from S. Florida and that trend will only continue to grow.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:50 pm

A few yrs ago on this site, someone posted the the leading O&D airports....individual ones rather than all in a metro, and by total traffic, excluding any connection traffic (but did incl AmEagle, DLCnx, UAExp, etc). LAX was #1 by a good margin over, IIRC, JFK...or maybe it was ORD. Anyone know if that still holds?
I remember when......a plane trip was a big deal.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:34 pm

LAX is still the largest US airport for value of the local O&D market followed by SFO and then JFK, ORD, EWR, ATL, BOS, DEN, LAS and MCO.

LAX and SFO carry a disproportionate amount of the high value traffic from those regions and also have lots of international flights. Even though the NYC area is larger, international flights and revenue are divided between EWR and JFK although not equally.
 
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:01 pm

To compare, here are the full market shares at each airport with their sources. Some big differences when you roll the whole thing together. While I respect the original post was about O&D, not many airports publish their O&D numbers separately.

LAX 19.0% AA 16.7% DL 14.2% UA 12.1% WN; http://www.lawa.org/LAXMarketShare.aspx
ORD 40.5% UA; (all UA Express counted as UA) 33.7% AA https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/d ... re2016.pdf
LAS 38.3% 10% AA https://www.mccarran.com/fsweb/file/396 ... engers.pdf
ATL 80.1% DL http://www.atl.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... c-2016.pdf
MCO 25.4% WN 14.4% DL 13.8% AA 13.5% B6 https://www.orlandoairports.net/about-u ... statistics
SFO 43.8% UA 12.1% AS/VX https://www.flysfo.com/media/facts-stat ... statistics (download pax data set)
DEN 42.3% UA 29.3% WN 12.4% F9 https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... denver.pdf
JFK 26.9% DL 23% B6 (http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/ATR2016.pdf)
BOS 26.5% B6 19.4% AA http://www.massport.com/media/1354/mpa- ... -final.pdf (regionals not split, would make a 1-2% difference for AA in 2nd place)
SEA 49.7% AS 20.6% DL https://public.tableau.com/profile/port ... edairlines
EWR 68.9% UA 5% AA (http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/ATR2016.pdf)
DFW 85% AA and Eagle (this is for Enplanements only, DFW does not issue total numbers by airline) https://www.dfwairport.com/cs/groups/we ... 764162.pdf (page 93)

PHX 47.8% AA 33.3% WN https://skyharbor.com/docs/default-sour ... f?sfvrsn=4 (page 254)
LGA 38.5% DL 27.2% AA (http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/ATR2016.pdf)
FLL 25% B6; 19.6% NK 17.5% WN 11.3% DL http://www.broward.org/Airport/About/Do ... crecap.pdf
MSP 72.8% DL https://metroairports.org/Airport-Autho ... ports.aspx
DCA 47.6% AA http://www.mwaa.com/sites/default/files ... report.pdf (note this is December only, but should be broadly in line, will check further)
IAD 64.2% AA http://www.mwaa.com/sites/default/files ... report.pdf (note this is December only, but should be broadly in line, will check further)
PHL 57.4% AA http://www.phl.org/Documents/Business/R ... nplane.pdf (enplanements only, fiscal year)
SAN 38% WN this is correct only numbers SAN reports are enplanements to June 30th http://www.san.org/DesktopModules/Bring ... &TabId=197 page 83
MIA 66.3% AA http://www.miami-airport.com/library/pd ... 0-2017.pdf, page 114, only enplanements and Oct-15 to Sep-16
DTW 73.6% DL http://www.wcaa.us/Portals/WCAACorp/Full_Report(CY)_Final_2016.pdf
IAH 78.7% UA https://d14ik00wldmhq.cloudfront.net/me ... report.pdf
BWI 69.4% WN http://www.bwiairport.com/files/assets/ ... f#zoom=100
TPA 34.7% WN 17.8% AA 17.2% DL http://www.tampaairport.com/sites/defau ... _lores.pdf page 21
PDX 40% AS/Horizon 18.4% WN https://popcdn.azureedge.net/pdfs/Dec2016webstats.pdf
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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:40 am

Very nice list!

Is this based on number of flights or passenger count?
When wasn't America great?


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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:46 am

Very nice list!

Is this based on number of flights or passenger count?
When wasn't America great?


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Re: MIA/DFW: Most Dominated Large Airports in the USA

Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:11 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Very nice list!

Is this based on number of flights or passenger count?


If you are talking about my list, it's based on passenger count.
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.

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