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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:01 pm

AS is the only major domestic player not operating at CLE. Have to believe this will continue by the end of 2018 if this is true.
 
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Has to be new routes not new cities, right?
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:07 pm

AS would be a great fit for PVD-LAX, especially if they can codeshare with AA PVD's largest carrier in terms of # of departures.

Serving PVD would actually help them be competitive in the region, as probably 200+ people from the PVD catchment drive to BOS for a nonstop, where they are flying someone else instead. AS can reap the benefits of capturing those passengers destined for other carriers in their effort to grow their west coast base.

With this AS, will essentially be the B6 of the west coast.
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:08 pm

jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Has to be new routes not new cities, right?


Article says "new markets".
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:09 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Has to be new routes not new cities, right?


Article says "new markets".


AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:12 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Has to be new routes not new cities, right?


Article says "new markets".


AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).


So you're saying they're not adding new markets just going to fly SEA-PDX 50 times a day. OK. WN and B6 will be glad to hear that! :)

I think they're going to add some new markets.
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:13 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
AS is the only major domestic player not operating at CLE. Have to believe this will continue by the end of 2018 if this is true.


I think the next all-new city will start with a C..... Charlotte, Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland, or Canada-Toronto :D
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:14 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Has to be new routes not new cities, right?


Article says "new markets".


AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).


Which doesn't preclude new destinations either. It's probably a mix of both. Probably add a few more destinations and then connect some dots between existing cities.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 pm

Tailwinds wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
AS is the only major domestic player not operating at CLE. Have to believe this will continue by the end of 2018 if this is true.


I think the next all-new city will start with a C..... Charlotte, Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland, or Canada-Toronto :D


I think CMH is coming soon. Just a hunch.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:15 pm

Tailwinds wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
AS is the only major domestic player not operating at CLE. Have to believe this will continue by the end of 2018 if this is true.


I think the next all-new city will start with a C..... Charlotte, Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland, or Canada-Toronto :D


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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:16 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:

Article says "new markets".


AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).


So you're saying they're not adding new markets just going to fly SEA-PDX 50 times a day. OK. WN and B6 will be glad to hear that! :)

I think they're going to add some new markets.


That is not what I said. Its "routes" not "flights". No idea how you twisted that.

From the Q2 2017 earnings call transcript:

We've launched 120 new markets since 2010, and in aggregate, these markets represent about 1/4 of our revenues and profits today. This includes the 20 markets that we launched in the last 12 months, and 1/4 of our earnings per share would not exist today had it not been for these markets. And the reason I'm taking the time to reiterate this is because the acquisition of Virgin America provides the necessary platform upon which to continue this profitable growth.

We will be launching another 30 new markets over the next 6 months, and we fully expect these to add significantly to our revenue base and profits over time. In fact, of the 20 new markets launched in the last 9 months, 75% are already profitable with 60% of them earning well above our cost of capital.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.Fi ... U9MQ==&t=1

Back to the topic, they have announced virtually all of these 30 markets, so this isn't really news.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:16 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:

Article says "new markets".


AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).


So you're saying they're not adding new markets just going to fly SEA-PDX 50 times a day. OK. WN and B6 will be glad to hear that! :)

I think they're going to add some new markets.

jbs2886 is not saying that – SEA-PDX is a currently served route aka market per the cited definition.

CHS-PDX would be a new route and a new market – both cities are currently served by AS but neither city pair has nonstop AS service.
 
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loisencroach wrote:
Tailwinds wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
AS is the only major domestic player not operating at CLE. Have to believe this will continue by the end of 2018 if this is true.


I think the next all-new city will start with a C..... Charlotte, Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland, or Canada-Toronto :D


I think CMH is coming soon. Just a hunch.


I would think CLE or CVG would come first considering they already support service to SEA.
 
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BoeingGuy wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:

Article says "new markets".


AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).


Which doesn't preclude new destinations either. It's probably a mix of both. Probably add a few more destinations and then connect some dots between existing cities.


No, it doesn't preclude destinations, I didn't say it did. The point is that AS is not adding 30 new destinations, but markets, whether that be to existing destinations or new.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:19 pm

adamblang wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).


So you're saying they're not adding new markets just going to fly SEA-PDX 50 times a day. OK. WN and B6 will be glad to hear that! :)

I think they're going to add some new markets.

jbs2886 is not saying that – SEA-PDX is a currently served route aka market per the cited definition.

CHS-PDX would be a new route and a new market – both cities are currently served by AS but neither city pair has nonstop AS service.


See the smiley face after the sentence? Sense of humor...oh, I forgot this is Airliners!
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:24 pm

PDX-DEN PLEASE!
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:29 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:

Article says "new markets".


AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).


Which doesn't preclude new destinations either. It's probably a mix of both. Probably add a few more destinations and then connect some dots between existing cities.


I think that is the case
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:29 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
Tailwinds wrote:

I think the next all-new city will start with a C..... Charlotte, Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland, or Canada-Toronto :D


I think CMH is coming soon. Just a hunch.


I would think CLE or CVG would come first considering they already support service to SEA.


CLE, CMH, and CVG all have economies of similar strength, so perhaps the one not served is the lowest hanging fruit? If I'm not mistaken, CMH has been putting a lot of eggs in the tech and university research baskets, too, so perhaps there's a higher demand to connect to SEA's similar markets. But really, I'd think the DOT's new codeshare restrictions might make flying own-metal to CLT a priority.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:31 pm

Hope AS taps into BDL and serves either PDX or SEA, preferably SEA.
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:34 pm

Tailwinds wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
loisencroach wrote:

I think CMH is coming soon. Just a hunch.


I would think CLE or CVG would come first considering they already support service to SEA.


CLE, CMH, and CVG all have economies of similar strength, so perhaps the one not served is the lowest hanging fruit? If I'm not mistaken, CMH has been putting a lot of eggs in the tech and university research baskets, too, so perhaps there's a higher demand to connect to SEA's similar markets. But really, I'd think the DOT's new codeshare restrictions might make flying own-metal to CLT a priority.


CVG and CLE are larger due to their proximities to Dayton and Akron-Canton.

You argue Columbus is more tech heavy but you likely don't know that CMH can't even get direct service to SFO and is paying WN to fly to OAK. Hard to believe that AS would go there first despite having no competition.
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:36 pm

I think that most of this flying will be with the E-Jets, as they only have some A321N on order, as well as 11 739s. That being said, I could see the E-Jets replacing some mainline and Q400 flying to start new transcon routes with the 737 and A320, and I hope that some Qs displaced from SEA and PDX could be used to launch new CA routes. SFO-SBA/LGB/BUR/FAT/RNO/EUG/MFR, anyone? Also, about SEA-CLE, it's possible since F9 is cutting that route, but SEA-CVG feels less likely since it has 2 airlines on it soon since Frontier is starting it.
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:41 pm

717atOGG wrote:
I think that most of this flying will be with the E-Jets, as they only have some A321N on order, as well as 11 739s. That being said, I could see the E-Jets replacing some mainline and Q400 flying to start new transcon routes with the 737 and A320, and I hope that some Qs displaced from SEA and PDX could be used to launch new CA routes. SFO-SBA/LGB/BUR/FAT/RNO/EUG/MFR, anyone? Also, about SEA-CLE, it's possible since F9 is cutting that route, but SEA-CVG feels less likely since it has 2 airlines on it soon since Frontier is starting it.


F9 SEA-CLE is seasonal and so is F9 SEA-CVG. I think DL SEA-CVG isn't operated during a small period in the winter too.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:44 pm

Tailwinds wrote:
CLE, CMH, and CVG all have economies of similar strength, so perhaps the one not served is the lowest hanging fruit? If I'm not mistaken, CMH has been putting a lot of eggs in the tech and university research baskets, too, so perhaps there's a higher demand to connect to SEA's similar markets. But really, I'd think the DOT's new codeshare restrictions might make flying own-metal to CLT a priority.


CVG and CLE are larger due to their proximities to Dayton and Akron-Canton.

CMH can't even get direct service to SFO and is paying WN to fly to OAK. Hard to believe that AS would go there first despite having no competition.


I didn't realize they were paying WN. Interesting. AS does have E175s they could toss on that route more effectively than WN could put a 737 there, but then UA has that option in SFO, too. Time will tell. Honestly though, a new city or two aside, I expect AS to focus much more on connecting existing dots to all their non-hub hubs like SJC, SNA, SAN, and maybe BOI until they look a little bit WN-ish, with lots of mini-hubs and a few mega-hubs.
 
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Will AS be adding nonstop service from California to ATL, IAH, and/or PHX in 2018? Virgin America considered serving Atlanta, Houston, and Phoenix prior to its merger with Alaska Airlines, but neither Alaska Airlines nor Virgin America have announced any nonstop service from California to ATL, IAH, or PHX.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:57 pm

717atOGG wrote:
I think that most of this flying will be with the E-Jets, as they only have some A321N on order, as well as 11 739s. That being said, I could see the E-Jets replacing some mainline and Q400 flying to start new transcon routes with the 737 and A320, and I hope that some Qs displaced from SEA and PDX could be used to launch new CA routes. SFO-SBA/LGB/BUR/FAT/RNO/EUG/MFR, anyone? Also, about SEA-CLE, it's possible since F9 is cutting that route, but SEA-CVG feels less likely since it has 2 airlines on it soon since Frontier is starting it.


Would the Q400 qualify for the commuter slot at LGB?

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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:58 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Has to be new routes not new cities, right?


Article says "new markets".


AS defines "markets" as "routes". Take a look at their PR/SEC filings where they discuss adding 150 or so new markets (clearly they did not add 150 cities).


Ah, this negates the WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW I about to post.

30 new routes is still significant, but 30 new cities would have been WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:58 pm

I think the big question longer term will be whether you can be a carrier entirely hubbed on the West Coast, adding tons of mid-con and trans-con markets and do it when fuel prices rise at some point in the future.
 
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Will VX or AS be adding AUS-LAX nonstop service? VX serves SFO nonstop from AUS, AS currently serves PDX and SEA nonstop from AUS, and AS will be starting nonstop service from AUS to SAN and SJC next month.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:00 pm

717atOGG wrote:
I think that most of this flying will be with the E-Jets, as they only have some A321N on order, as well as 11 739s. That being said, I could see the E-Jets replacing some mainline and Q400 flying to start new transcon routes with the 737 and A320, and I hope that some Qs displaced from SEA and PDX could be used to launch new CA routes. SFO-SBA/LGB/BUR/FAT/RNO/EUG/MFR, anyone? Also, about SEA-CLE, it's possible since F9 is cutting that route, but SEA-CVG feels less likely since it has 2 airlines on it soon since Frontier is starting it.


It will be interesting to see what short haul regional markets AS chooses to compete with UA out of SFO. If two airlines can compete regionally out of SEA then SFO should have some good intrastate city pairs. Everything you mentioned is a possibility.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:13 pm

loisencroach wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
I think that most of this flying will be with the E-Jets, as they only have some A321N on order, as well as 11 739s. That being said, I could see the E-Jets replacing some mainline and Q400 flying to start new transcon routes with the 737 and A320, and I hope that some Qs displaced from SEA and PDX could be used to launch new CA routes. SFO-SBA/LGB/BUR/FAT/RNO/EUG/MFR, anyone? Also, about SEA-CLE, it's possible since F9 is cutting that route, but SEA-CVG feels less likely since it has 2 airlines on it soon since Frontier is starting it.


It will be interesting to see what short haul regional markets AS chooses to compete with UA out of SFO. If two airlines can compete regionally out of SEA then SFO should have some good intrastate city pairs. Everything you mentioned is a possibility.


Isn't there some sort of rule against props at SFO?
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:25 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
I think that most of this flying will be with the E-Jets, as they only have some A321N on order, as well as 11 739s. That being said, I could see the E-Jets replacing some mainline and Q400 flying to start new transcon routes with the 737 and A320, and I hope that some Qs displaced from SEA and PDX could be used to launch new CA routes. SFO-SBA/LGB/BUR/FAT/RNO/EUG/MFR, anyone? Also, about SEA-CLE, it's possible since F9 is cutting that route, but SEA-CVG feels less likely since it has 2 airlines on it soon since Frontier is starting it.


It will be interesting to see what short haul regional markets AS chooses to compete with UA out of SFO. If two airlines can compete regionally out of SEA then SFO should have some good intrastate city pairs. Everything you mentioned is a possibility.


Isn't there some sort of rule against props at SFO?


First time I've heard that. If that is true, it was implemented no sooner than 2015 as that is when SkyWest cancelled CIC.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:42 pm

loisencroach wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
loisencroach wrote:

It will be interesting to see what short haul regional markets AS chooses to compete with UA out of SFO. If two airlines can compete regionally out of SEA then SFO should have some good intrastate city pairs. Everything you mentioned is a possibility.


Isn't there some sort of rule against props at SFO?


First time I've heard that. If that is true, it was implemented no sooner than 2015 as that is when SkyWest cancelled CIC.


I thought I recalled reading something about that here but it does look like QX has served SFO with Q400s (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alaska-a ... board.html). They haven't had any in recent years though.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:44 pm

SAN/LAX/SFO - PHX me thinks.
 
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Will VX or AS be adding AUS-LAX nonstop service? VX serves SFO nonstop from AUS, AS currently serves PDX and SEA nonstop from AUS, and AS will be starting nonstop service from AUS to SAN and SJC next month.


I don't know. Will they? Will VX or AS add any number of additional routes?
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:54 pm

My 2 cents worth.
> a 'market' and 'route' both consist of 2 cities and what attaches them to each other; the terms can be used interchangeably;
> Andrew Harrison, in the call yesterday, said, "We [AS] will be LAUNCHING another 30 new markets over the next 6 months."

Technically, "launch" means start serving the route that's already been announced. Look through AS's Press Releases and note that most new routes show up twice there: the first time when the route is announced, the second time when AS actually begins flying, or launches the route.

Checking the 'route map' page at AS.com (here's the link)
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/route ... e-routeMap
shows right around 25 announced routes that will start in the next 6 months. (And this list of routes is not usually complete or totally correct.)

Therefore, my guess is that almost every one of those 30 new markets mentioned by Andrew has already been announced, and probably discussed on A.net.

> the majority are connecting existing dots with few, if any, brand new stations. Some are Virgin, some are AS, many are QX/OO.

But I'm sure there will be lots of new and unannounced routes that will start in 2018 so let the discussion continue... keeping in mind that AAG has suggested that a lot of their new routes will involve California, with many of them intra-CA

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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:57 pm

loisencroach wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
loisencroach wrote:

It will be interesting to see what short haul regional markets AS chooses to compete with UA out of SFO. If two airlines can compete regionally out of SEA then SFO should have some good intrastate city pairs. Everything you mentioned is a possibility.


Isn't there some sort of rule against props at SFO?


First time I've heard that. If that is true, it was implemented no sooner than 2015 as that is when SkyWest cancelled CIC.


IIRC, a number of years ago there was some discussion about limiting the size of aircraft that can serve SFO, as in nothing less than 50 seats. I don't think it was specifically aimed at props. It apparently never happened, but I don't know. It's conceivable AS could throw some Q400's to places like SBP, SBA, EUG, MFR, ACV but I would expect they would look at some mid-to long transcons with mainline and E75s.
 
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Will AS be adding nonstop service from California to ATL, IAH, and/or PHX in 2018? Virgin America considered serving Atlanta, Houston, and Phoenix prior to its merger with Alaska Airlines, but neither Alaska Airlines nor Virgin America have announced any nonstop service from California to ATL, IAH, or PHX.


As people have already said, more likely connecting the existing dots using the E-190's. Which means SFO/LAX/SJC/SAN existing city.

ATL might be attractive as to get back to DL; but these guys are more likely to pick city-pairs with no or low competition.
 
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AAvgeek744 wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:

Isn't there some sort of rule against props at SFO?


First time I've heard that. If that is true, it was implemented no sooner than 2015 as that is when SkyWest cancelled CIC.


IIRC, a number of years ago there was some discussion about limiting the size of aircraft that can serve SFO, as in nothing less than 50 seats. I don't think it was specifically aimed at props. It apparently never happened, but I don't know. It's conceivable AS could throw some Q400's to places like SBP, SBA, EUG, MFR, ACV but I would expect they would look at some mid-to long transcons with mainline and E75s.
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:18 pm

Filling in the VX gaps from LAX/SFO and focus city gaps in SAN/SJC/SMF?/OAK? seems to make sense.

A stretch but maybe potentially even some from JFK/SLC/DAL.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:37 pm

PenAir flies PDX-ACV.
Alaska doesn't have any E-190s, but that would be nice.
Portland will continue to be a priority for any new routes. Alaska is to Portland what Lufthansa is to Frankfurt.
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:02 pm

IMHO If AS doesn't start growing latin/mexico out of LAX in some form, when WN opens its new LAX terminal it will be very hard to do so.
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SAN/PDX-IND are coming soon...
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vadodara wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Will AS be adding nonstop service from California to ATL, IAH, and/or PHX in 2018? Virgin America considered serving Atlanta, Houston, and Phoenix prior to its merger with Alaska Airlines, but neither Alaska Airlines nor Virgin America have announced any nonstop service from California to ATL, IAH, or PHX.


As people have already said, more likely connecting the existing dots using the E-190's. Which means SFO/LAX/SJC/SAN existing city.

ATL might be attractive as to get back to DL; but these guys are more likely to pick city-pairs with no or low competition.


AUS-LAX, for example, is already served by AA, DL, and UA (connecting to TPAC networks), plus Southwest. They need to pick their battles with some care.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:14 pm

airzona11 wrote:
Filling in the VX gaps from LAX/SFO and focus city gaps in SAN/SJC/SMF?/OAK? seems to make sense.

A stretch but maybe potentially even some from JFK/SLC/DAL.


I can only hope for more flights to/from SMF. The new SMF-SAN flight has been a nice alternative to Southwest. Anyone have an idea of how well it's been doing? It'd be great to have more AS options out of SMF.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:32 pm

I guarantee AS will be flying into BDL next year as part of this expansion. Wouldn't surprise me if they announced SEA, but also LAX to compete with AA on the route from Hartford. We'll see, but it's highly likely that AS will be coming to Hartford, CT as part of this expansion.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:32 pm

With the right aircraft coming (the A319) JAC would be a logical add. DL already flies to Jackson Hole from SEA and LAX, UA from SFO and AA from LAX. Wyoming is the only western state without AS service.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:37 pm

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SCHATC422 wrote:
I guarantee AS will be flying into BDL next year as part of this expansion. Wouldn't surprise me if they announced SEA, but also LAX to compete with AA on the route from Hartford. We'll see, but it's highly likely that AS will be coming to Hartford, CT as part of this expansion.


Do you guarantee it or is it highly likely? Those are very different.
 
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Re: AS 30 more markets by 2018

Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:02 pm

SCHATC422 wrote:
I guarantee AS will be flying into BDL next year as part of this expansion. Wouldn't surprise me if they announced SEA, but also LAX to compete with AA on the route from Hartford. We'll see, but it's highly likely that AS will be coming to Hartford, CT as part of this expansion.


There isn't an enormous PDEW demand on BDL-SEA(97 PDEW), AS doesn't have a lot of excess 737s to spare and the e175 doesn't have the range to fly SEA/LAX-BDL. However, there is enough room for AS to fly LAX-BDL, I just don't know what aircraft they would use...
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