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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:36 pm

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As posted on other threads, Philippine Airlines is launching its nonstop flights to Auckland effective December 6, thrice weekly on the outgoing A343 fleet.

This replaces the previous routing MNL-CNS-AKL four times a week on the A320. Effectively dropping the interesting CNS-AKL-CNS service.

https://www.philippineairlines.com/ph/H ... p-auckland

Of note, NZ had once planned, but since deferred, a non-stop AKL-MNL-AKL 767 service.


Do we think NZ will be miffed to have lost the first-initiative on a non-stop AKL-MNL service? Or, are they quite content deploying their fleet on higher yielding routes? I imagine AKL-MNL would be quite low-yielding.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:18 pm

carlokiii wrote:
As posted on other threads, Philippine Airlines is launching its nonstop flights to Auckland effective December 6, thrice weekly on the outgoing A343 fleet.

This replaces the previous routing MNL-CNS-AKL four times a week on the A320. Effectively dropping the interesting CNS-AKL-CNS service.

https://www.philippineairlines.com/ph/H ... p-auckland

Of note, NZ had once planned, but since deferred, a non-stop AKL-MNL-AKL 767 service.


Good to see the 343 back in AKL more frequently since it was only down to TN.

No with the CNS stop it does make some of there AKL-Europe J deals look more apealling, unless the price will now increase with the dirrect service.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:05 pm

A light aircraft with 4 on board has crashed on the runway in Queenstown. Apparently one person has been taken to hospital with minor injuries, three others uninjured. According to the news reports flights are not moving in and out of Queenstown at the moment.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9578427 ... fter-crash
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=11904457
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/ ... wn-airport

Looking at the photo in the Herald, the aircraft appears to be a Cessna 177. Looking at the colour scheme, it might be this one, ZK-DFV:



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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:19 pm

QF46 wrote:
Do we think NZ will be miffed to have lost the first-initiative on a non-stop AKL-MNL service? Or, are they quite content deploying their fleet on higher yielding routes? I imagine AKL-MNL would be quite low-yielding.

I'm picking that the political situation is at least a factor in the NZ decision. While some have pointed out that the unrest is to the south, and MNL is toward the north of the country, the wider political situation, and in particular, the suggestions that martial law could be extended to other regions, along with the general level of state-sanctioned (and sponsored) violence, makes the Philippines a destination at the moment which has a measure of risk that others do not. I doubt it's the level of yield first and foremost, though the general situation will not improve the yield. I'd pick a combination of risks, including risk to the corporate image if the situation worsened and the airline was faced with a Hobson's choice of (1) stay and risk potential image issues, declining patronage and falling yields, or (2) leave and write off the investment they'd made to that point. It's a volatile, unstable situation, and it doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon. I'd say they'd be quite content with their decision.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:16 am

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Looking at the photo in the Herald, the aircraft appears to be a Cessna 177. Looking at the colour scheme, it might be this one, ZK-DFV:



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Indeed it is DFV from the video in the article below:

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstow ... wn-airport

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:01 am

On another thread, there is a discussion about SAS coming to AKL.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1371251&p=19749045#p19749045
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:45 am

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On another thread, there is a discussion about SAS coming to AKL.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1371251&p=19749045#p19749045


No way that's happening...
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:30 am

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LamboAston wrote:
Yep. Both F27s are sitting in AKL with the Chathams aircraft on the far right when looking from the runway.

What is happening with them? Are they effectively retired, or is Airwork looking for other work for them? What does the future hold for them?

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I believe they're up for sale. I know of a organisation in Europe that is interested in them.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:38 am

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LamboAston wrote:
On another thread, there is a discussion about SAS coming to AKL.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1371251&p=19749045#p19749045


No way that's happening...


The whole thing is ridiculous. Anyone with any sort of knowledge of the industry would know this is non-sense.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:40 am

ZK-MCA departed CHC-BNE today as SXI1735 (0949 NZST to 1357 AEST -- 6 hrs 08 min).
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKMCA

The NZCAA register still has Mount Cook as the owner. Usually there's an ownership change before a sold aircraft departs.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:36 pm

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ZK-MCA departed CHC-BNE today as SXI1735 (0949 NZST to 1357 AEST -- 6 hrs 08 min).
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKMCA

The NZCAA register still has Mount Cook as the owner. Usually there's an ownership change before a sold aircraft departs.

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I believe ownership has changed already, just the holdership of the registration remains the same until it's placed on the Bangladeshi register.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:28 am

I was looking at flights from DUD to AKL next June to catch TG492, and the only options were 6:25, 6:35, or 10am departures. Seems like a big gap at a peak time out of Dunedin, but I could be wrong. I think 1:40 in AKL from domestic to international should be enough though.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:49 am

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I was looking at flights from DUD to AKL next June to catch TG492, and the only options were 6:25, 6:35, or 10am departures. Seems like a big gap at a peak time out of Dunedin, but I could be wrong. I think 1:40 in AKL from domestic to international should be enough though.

It is due to the fact that it takes 1h50min to get there from AKL. The 0635/06:40 are overnighters, so the 10am is the turnaround of the 7:35 AKL dep.

As far as Dom-Intl the official minimum is 75min, which at the current time is insufficient to comfortably connect for anything departing from Pier B and at peak times. You are right at that time of day 1h40 is comfortable for most people, however be forewarned that 1) due to a new security screening area and 2) the electronics having to be unpacked for anything large than a cellphone there are currently longer queues. Hopefully that will have been resolved by the time June comes around and everyone gets used to it all.. I also noticed that 11:45 to 13:10 is only 1h25min which doesn't give much buffer for you.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:35 am

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hornetfan wrote:
I suspect Perth needs more premium seating, particularly for the awful flight back.


What's so awful about the flight back? I've never done it, I always give myself a stop-over, usually in Melbourne to see chums.

I assume PER-AKL non-stop isn't so very different from SIN or PVG-AKL non-stop, but your comment intrigued me.

mariner


It is the timeframe, you leave Perth at around 7pm, it is 5:45 to 6 hours, by the time they feed the plane, turn the lights out you can get at best 2 hours sleep before they start waking you up. Given the departure time from Perth you are not really tired, so don't want to sleep, and arrive back in Auckland usually just before 6am.

The jet lag from this flight goes on for days and I find worse that flying from London. In summer it is even worse with a 5 hour time difference
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:44 am

LamboAston wrote:
I was looking at flights from DUD to AKL next June to catch TG492, and the only options were 6:25, 6:35, or 10am departures. Seems like a big gap at a peak time out of Dunedin, but I could be wrong. I think 1:40 in AKL from domestic to international should be enough though.


Most days DUD-AKL has 3 non stops and 1-2 same plane services via WLG.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:09 am

aerorobnz wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
I was looking at flights from DUD to AKL next June to catch TG492, and the only options were 6:25, 6:35, or 10am departures. Seems like a big gap at a peak time out of Dunedin, but I could be wrong. I think 1:40 in AKL from domestic to international should be enough though.

It is due to the fact that it takes 1h50min to get there from AKL. The 0635/06:40 are overnighters, so the 10am is the turnaround of the 7:35 AKL dep.

As far as Dom-Intl the official minimum is 75min, which at the current time is insufficient to comfortably connect for anything departing from Pier B and at peak times. You are right at that time of day 1h40 is comfortable for most people, however be forewarned that 1) due to a new security screening area and 2) the electronics having to be unpacked for anything large than a cellphone there are currently longer queues. Hopefully that will have been resolved by the time June comes around and everyone gets used to it all.. I also noticed that 11:45 to 13:10 is only 1h25min which doesn't give much buffer for you.

Unfortunately, I just discovered the tickets are being booked for me, with little or no input from me. Bugger. The cheapest options I could find included 6.5 hours on an Oman Air 738, something which I don't exactly want to do.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:18 am

hornetfan wrote:
It is the timeframe, you leave Perth at around 7pm, it is 5:45 to 6 hours, by the time they feed the plane, turn the lights out you can get at best 2 hours sleep before they start waking you up. Given the departure time from Perth you are not really tired, so don't want to sleep, and arrive back in Auckland usually just before 6am.

The jet lag from this flight goes on for days and I find worse that flying from London. In summer it is even worse with a 5 hour time difference


Thanks, that all makes sense. Maybe I'll stick to my usual plan - a stopover somewhere.

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Unfortunately, I just discovered the tickets are being booked for me, with little or no input from me. Bugger. The cheapest options I could find included 6.5 hours on an Oman Air 738, something which I don't exactly want to do.


I'll swap with you. I haven't flown Oman Air pretty much since it started and it's high on my list. It used to be good. Image

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:05 am

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Unfortunately, I just discovered the tickets are being booked for me, with little or no input from me. Bugger. The cheapest options I could find included 6.5 hours on an Oman Air 738, something which I don't exactly want to do.


Ah yes, I would to prefer to pick a non-737 for a flight that long. .In saying that, it might still be better than 17h40 on a QR 77L which routinely comes up cheapest. I will fly that next month en route to CDG for that very reason, and of course because I need a 777-200LR in the logbook. I hope you don't get booked anything too unpleasant.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:05 am

aerorobnz wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
Unfortunately, I just discovered the tickets are being booked for me, with little or no input from me. Bugger. The cheapest options I could find included 6.5 hours on an Oman Air 738, something which I don't exactly want to do.


Ah yes, I would to prefer to pick a non-737 for a flight that long. .In saying that, it might still be better than 17h40 on a QR 77L which routinely comes up cheapest. I will fly that next month en route to CDG for that very reason, and of course because I need a 777-200LR in the logbook. I hope you don't get booked anything too unpleasant.

The QR 77Ls are only 3-3-3, and after the 77L EK448 3-4-3 which was a great flight, I don't hesitate about ULH now.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:09 am

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LamboAston wrote:
Unfortunately, I just discovered the tickets are being booked for me, with little or no input from me. Bugger. The cheapest options I could find included 6.5 hours on an Oman Air 738, something which I don't exactly want to do.


I'll swap with you. I haven't flown Oman Air pretty much since it started and it's high on my list. It used to be good. Image

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There was a KUL-MCT leg on a 788 as well. I would swap, but I will be flying with 4 others, so if you can book that for us as well, lol. I prefer an option which is TG 777, ET 788 (probably, could be A359/77L/763), and a ET jet (scheduled 738 or 788, but op by 77L, 738, 788, and 359 in the last week). Anyway, on the way back we almost certainly get a QF 744, but hopefully SAA don't fold before that flight with them.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:53 am

I just noticed today that NZ flights 28/29 from AKL to IAH will be switching from 77E to 789 equipment beginning in December of this year. The plane will also be spending less time on the ground in Houston, leaving at 8pm for an arrival into AKL at 5:55am. This might be good for connections to Australia, but for people just going to AKL this is a very early arrival with almost no chance of checking into a hotel until later in the day. Anyone here have an idea of why they are ending 77E service to Houston? Less premium demand? Or is NZ using the 77E on another route, like NRT in the southern summer season?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:41 am

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I just noticed today that NZ flights 28/29 from AKL to IAH will be switching from 77E to 789 equipment beginning in December of this year. The plane will also be spending less time on the ground in Houston, leaving at 8pm for an arrival into AKL at 5:55am. This might be good for connections to Australia, but for people just going to AKL this is a very early arrival with almost no chance of checking into a hotel until later in the day. Anyone here have an idea of why they are ending 77E service to Houston? Less premium demand? Or is NZ using the 77E on another route, like NRT in the southern summer season?


Air NZ will be taking delivery of some more 789's but with a new premium heavy config. I believe its 27C/33Y+/215Y.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:30 am

QF46 wrote:
carlokiii wrote:
As posted on other threads, Philippine Airlines is launching its nonstop flights to Auckland effective December 6, thrice weekly on the outgoing A343 fleet.

This replaces the previous routing MNL-CNS-AKL four times a week on the A320. Effectively dropping the interesting CNS-AKL-CNS service.

https://www.philippineairlines.com/ph/H ... p-auckland

Of note, NZ had once planned, but since deferred, a non-stop AKL-MNL-AKL 767 service.


Do we think NZ will be miffed to have lost the first-initiative on a non-stop AKL-MNL service? Or, are they quite content deploying their fleet on higher yielding routes? I imagine AKL-MNL would be quite low-yielding.

Not *really* - for all the reasons mentioned. I think the two "miff inducing" events of recent times as far as NZ is concerned are:

- SQ's WLG-CBR-SIN
- The arrival of AA on the cash cow that was AKL-LAX.
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:45 am

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I just noticed today that NZ flights 28/29 from AKL to IAH will be switching from 77E to 789 equipment beginning in December of this year. The plane will also be spending less time on the ground in Houston, leaving at 8pm for an arrival into AKL at 5:55am. This might be good for connections to Australia, but for people just going to AKL this is a very early arrival with almost no chance of checking into a hotel until later in the day. Anyone here have an idea of why they are ending 77E service to Houston? Less premium demand? Or is NZ using the 77E on another route, like NRT in the southern summer season?


That's just daylight saving times, it currently departs IAH at 2200 arrives AKL 0605, the flight always arrives in AKL about that time year round. All of NZ's America's flights and a lot of Asian services arrive at this time of day, nothing new here and it works for them. Connections are a big part and the overnight flights.

The 789 is 20% more efficient than the 77E, the 77E's will go to HND and HNL this Northern winter. These are shorter than IAH, and HND will have a 16 hr ground time due slots while increasing premium seating from the current leisure 789 fleet, HNL is a mix of not enough 789's and adding more premium seats and a shorter flight time.
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:25 am

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I think the two "miff inducing" events of recent times as far as NZ is concerned are:

- SQ's WLG-CBR-SIN
- The arrival of AA on the cash cow that was AKL-LAX.

That's just life in international aviation. No airline can afford to stress about the actions of others, even if (as SQ) they are in the same alliance. I can't think why NZ should be miffed by WLG-CBR since they had no intention themselves of serving the route. And as for AA on AKL-LAX - they should get over it - it's called competition!
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:41 am

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And as for AA on AKL-LAX - they should get over it - it's called competition!


I imagine that Luxon completely understands that. At its worst, I assume the competition here is not nearly as intense as the world in which he used to mix at Unilever.

He's been in the job five years, I hope he's not getting itchy feet.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:47 am

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Gasman wrote:
I think the two "miff inducing" events of recent times as far as NZ is concerned are:

- SQ's WLG-CBR-SIN
- The arrival of AA on the cash cow that was AKL-LAX.

That's just life in international aviation. No airline can afford to stress about the actions of others, even if (as SQ) they are in the same alliance. I can't think why NZ should be miffed by WLG-CBR since they had no intention themselves of serving the route. And as for AA on AKL-LAX - they should get over it - it's called competition!


With AKL-LAX NZ has done still pretty good, keeping up double daily year round yet AA had to drop the route for winter.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:46 am

Has anybody travelled through AKL's international terminal recently? I'd be grateful for an update on the construction work being undertaken at the moment - i.e. the Pier 2 extension and international departures expansion. AKL is pretty slow when it comes to posting updates on their website.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:16 pm

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I just noticed today that NZ flights 28/29 from AKL to IAH will be switching from 77E to 789 equipment beginning in December of this year. The plane will also be spending less time on the ground in Houston, leaving at 8pm for an arrival into AKL at 5:55am. This might be good for connections to Australia, but for people just going to AKL this is a very early arrival with almost no chance of checking into a hotel until later in the day. Anyone here have an idea of why they are ending 77E service to Houston? Less premium demand? Or is NZ using the 77E on another route, like NRT in the southern summer season?

I fly similar schedules from LAX and SFO to AKL several times a year. It is the right time.

Plenty of time for incoming connections at IAH, for those in premium seats and those who can sleep in economy the timing is right for dinner and a full night's sleep. Arriving in AKL you have time for baggage claim and that horrible queue at MPI inspection before getting a connection. Lots of tourists move right on to other NZ destinations like Queenstown so they will arrive mid-day.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:39 pm

It seems NZE has not flown for a while? Has she become a hanger queen?!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:51 pm

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Has anybody travelled through AKL's international terminal recently? I'd be grateful for an update on the construction work being undertaken at the moment - i.e. the Pier 2 extension and international departures expansion. AKL is pretty slow when it comes to posting updates on their website.


Here's a link to their vimeo channel which has a June update, albeit it is rather short. It looks like they have partially opened the new security screening area and the first half of the new duty free stores. Nothing yet on the great hall portion though this looks to be the last part which will open late 2018. Pier B work is way more noticeable, looks like most of the exterior work on both 17 and 18 is almost complete, mostly internal work now i imagine, air-bridge installation for at least 17 cant be too far away. I have found that the Novotel AKL Airport facebook page is quite handy for regular photo updates.

https://vimeo.com/user7933951

Out of interest, does anybody happen to have any photos/information about this "bridge to nowhere" that was in the old international terminal, its been mentioned in their blurb about the project but they haven't included an image?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:28 pm

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Yes - its a huge increase to HNL over previous. I imagine they will be working hard to offer some great package deals to entice tourists.


Thats currently the hard part about Hawaii, is the fares are 'cheap' yet the accommodation stock is unable to compete with the likes of Asia for the level of hotel you'll get for the same price along with that NZD-USD rate.

I think its been apart of the YVR growth is for the last couple of years there has barely been an difference between the CAD and NZD, making it much cheaper that America. If you do an week in Canada, then followed by another week in US you'll notice the currently pinch very fast.

E.g an $50USD/CAD meal for two would if in Canda would cost you around $51NZ yet in the US closer to $70.
what you must not have noticed is that ski resorts in usa are now much cheaper. Cheaper & better than anything in Canada. U.s. resorts adjust thrir pricing to the exchange rate. It's now much cheaper for kiwis & Australians to book a few weeks in a u.s. ski resort than for yanks. Why? We stay over 2 weeks on average. Yanks stay 3.5 nights on average cos most only get 2 weeks annual leave. Saw an Australian snow holiday wholesaler advertising lift tickets in Colorado from $18 u.s. a day for 1 adult & up to 4 kids , total not each where the price at resort is $180 u.s.a day per adult & $115 a day per child.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:02 pm

it's a myth that food, groceries & other stuff is cheaper in Canada than USA due to exchange rate. Apparently many Canadians who live within 1 hour of U.S. border still drive across every week or 2, for a big shop as it's so much cheaper, even taking into account the exchange rate. Canada mustn't have much in the way of Costco's, Walmarts etc. where buying in bulk saves you a lot. There was a cartoon recently, who bought some toilet rolls at Costco for almost nothing, but he had to buy 1,000 rolls & literally had taped them to the outside of his car, as could get all inside.

Also very hard to compare apples with apples re restaurants. In BC Canada, they have extra taxes, liquor & provincial, which kick up the total bill.

Canadian resorts like to tell people how much cheaper it is to go to Canada, but the reality is, it isn't. Again just looking at ski resorts, there are many more flights to LAX & SFO than YVR from OZ/NZ so it's almost always cheaper to get to U.S. ski resorts airfare wise.

FJ ex OZ are currently doing AUD$845 BNE, SYD, MEL or LAX or SFO return. MEL requires day in Fiji in both directions, most dates, but from BNE & SYD you can fly straight through, with few hours on ground in NAN.

Some agents are discounting this to only $820 or less. From LA or SFO, many Australians & Kiwis use either frequent flyer points to get to Colorado or fly Southwest, who seem to be having rolling sales for months of Jan & Feb. Eg. they are doing LAX/DEN from $42 u.s. which includes 2 checked bags. Once in Colorado, ski lifts & accommodation are cheap & the skiing is much better than almost anywhere else.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:04 pm

does anyone know how China Airlines load are from OZ to NZ ? Recently read somewhere that they were increasing the number of OZ/NZ flights a week, or was that some sort of advertising "spin" ?

Can't imagine their yields on eg. BNE/AKL/BNE would be very good, with all the competition, or are those flights aimed at filling flights to TPE & beyond ? (undercutting more direct flights)
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:17 pm

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NZ321 wrote:
I'd like to see a coordinated response from the smaller independents to better serve the regions with minimal service. .


As I've posted before, fingers crossed that the reported dreams of Sounds Air come true:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/951 ... ristchurch

"Sounds Air investigates larger planes between Blenheim and Christchurch

Marlborough airline Sounds Air is considering a "quantum leap" to larger aircraft on a route Air New Zealand ditched last year due to a lack of demand, its chief executive says.

The carrier operates a fleet of 12 and 9-seaters but is exploring larger aircraft on the Blenheim to Christchurch route it started flying in August.

There were no new models being manufactured in the capacity range between the 12-seat Cessna Caravan and the 70-seat ATR 72, so the company was looking at older models, he said.

These included the 19-seat Beechcraft 1900D that Air New Zealand had been flying on the route, and the 34-seat Saab 340.

The Sounds Air chief executive said a decision on the introduction of larger planes would be made within a month, and he believed there was enough demand to make it work."


mariner
rumour going around OZ at moment of a new Saab 340 operator coming across from NZ. Think the only current Saab 340 operator in NZ now is Chathams, but if sounds Air gets some, maybe it's them. Vincent, before they fell over approx 3 years ago, where going to operate 2 Saab 340's for a subscription "virtual" airline. Vincent had 2 Saabs parked at SYD most of the week, one a 34 seater & other a 36 seater. Think they were flying to some small towns in NSW. Was told, when Vincent fell over, alternative aircraft could not be found, so the plan has been hibernating. Also told it's very easy to operate NZ registered aircraft in OZ, especially Saabs as no security all at required due to their MTOW. Not sure if this is 100% correct.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:17 am

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It seems NZE has not flown for a while? Has she become a hanger queen?!

NZE was the first in the fleet and has been in service for close to 3 years.I would say right time of the year to to get the maintenance up to date.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:57 am

Thank you to those who responded to my question re: IAH-AKL. I appreciate your answers. I'm keeping an eye on fare sales and hope to make the run down there sometime in the next year.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:56 am

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Out of interest, does anybody happen to have any photos/information about this "bridge to nowhere" that was in the old international terminal, its been mentioned in their blurb about the project but they haven't included an image?


Think they mean the one in the arrivals area? Back before customs was upstairs there was an bridge that ran above the baggage claim, which lead to the customs area (which is now MPI lines!).
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:22 am

USAOZ wrote:
zkncj wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
Yes - its a huge increase to HNL over previous. I imagine they will be working hard to offer some great package deals to entice tourists.


Thats currently the hard part about Hawaii, is the fares are 'cheap' yet the accommodation stock is unable to compete with the likes of Asia for the level of hotel you'll get for the same price along with that NZD-USD rate.

I think its been apart of the YVR growth is for the last couple of years there has barely been an difference between the CAD and NZD, making it much cheaper that America. If you do an week in Canada, then followed by another week in US you'll notice the currently pinch very fast.

E.g an $50USD/CAD meal for two would if in Canda would cost you around $51NZ yet in the US closer to $70.
what you must not have noticed is that ski resorts in usa are now much cheaper. Cheaper & better than anything in Canada. U.s. resorts adjust thrir pricing to the exchange rate. It's now much cheaper for kiwis & Australians to book a few weeks in a u.s. ski resort than for yanks. Why? We stay over 2 weeks on average. Yanks stay 3.5 nights on average cos most only get 2 weeks annual leave. Saw an Australian snow holiday wholesaler advertising lift tickets in Colorado from $18 u.s. a day for 1 adult & up to 4 kids , total not each where the price at resort is $180 u.s.a day per adult & $115 a day per child.

Not sure where you get your info about ski resorts but I can assure you that Canadian resorts are cheaper (with a couple of exceptions) than US destination resorts (Whistler and East Coast resorts being the only real expensive Canadian resorts. By comparison the likes of Aspen, Vail, Park City, Jackson Hole, Big Sky, Telluride, Breckenridge all tend to be far more than Canadian resorts.
While US resorts do usually try to adjust for exchange rate, it very rarely compensates. This is why for both last season and the season coming most of the Canadian properties are mostly booked out by Americans.
Yes shopping in the US is cheaper.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:51 am

sunrisevalley wrote:
HLZCPH wrote:
It seems NZE has not flown for a while? Has she become a hanger queen?!

NZE was the first in the fleet and has been in service for close to 3 years.I would say right time of the year to to get the maintenance up to date.

ZK-NZE will be back in service tomorrow morning 22 Aug 2017 on NZ101. Perhaps it will have it's black nose back?

I was surprised it has been out of action 15-22 Aug 2017 after also being out 13-28 May 2017. Would it get extra scrutiny as the first 789 in airline service?

Also, ZK-NZE did the first AKL-EZE 789 flight, but since then has been the least used 789 on that route.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:14 pm

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HLZCPH wrote:
Perhaps it will have it's black nose back?


It was already repainted black prior to the current engine change
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:54 pm

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It was already repainted black prior to the current engine change

Thanks. Can you elaborate on the engine change?

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:29 pm

aerorobnz wrote:
PA515 wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:

It was already repainted black prior to the current engine change


I'm also curious as to the nose change (haha). What would cause one nose to be replaced by another? Is the weather radar etc attached to the nose exterior, or is the nose simply an exterior shell?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:28 pm

QF46 wrote:
aerorobnz wrote:
PA515 wrote:

It was already repainted black prior to the current engine change


I'm also curious as to the nose change (haha). What would cause one nose to be replaced by another? Is the weather radar etc attached to the nose exterior, or is the nose simply an exterior shell?

It was swapped out (just the cone which is just a shell) so that the original could be repainted with a paint that allows it to be picked up by the Nose in Guidance System at gates rather than Marshalling. As you know Black = Stealth Bomber so the laser can have trouble picking it up accurately..
Unfortunately I do not know the reason for the engine change, it might just be the usual 787 RR overhaul maintenance after x number of flight hours
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:48 pm

aerorobnz wrote:
PA515 wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:

It was already repainted black prior to the current engine change

Was this a change within the present C series engines or to the new series?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:49 pm

Air NZ annual results are due to be updated tomorrow, is it likely that there will be any significant announcements at the same time?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:33 am

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Air NZ annual results are due to be updated tomorrow, is it likely that there will be any significant announcements at the same time?

Not going by previous years. Significant announcements such as aircraft orders or new destinations these days are announced separate from the financial results to get maximum media coverage.

There will be some details in the financial results about the changed delivery schedule for the A320NEO/A321NEO. So far only the first A320NEO (Jul 18) and the first A321NEO (Sep 18) have been mentioned. Possibly some details about the leased A320s that have recently been purchased. And maybe a 14th 789 for 2019 delivery leased from ALC.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:40 am

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Air NZ annual results are due to be updated tomorrow, is it likely that there will be any significant announcements at the same time?


Maybe some more direction around the 777 replacement? that is meant to happen later on this year. The 77E's are starting to get up there in age, and probably need to start leavinng from 2020.

One could hope for an new J seat, but that would be too hope full.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:28 am

From the Australian thread......looks like Norwegian has applied for EZE-AKL-SYD......

Sydney

60) BUENOS AIRES – SYDNEY (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: TRES (3) frecuencias semanales;
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12) CÓRDOBA – BUENOS AIRES (EZEIZA) – AUCKLAND (NUEVA ZELANDA) – SYDNEY (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: DIECISÉIS (16) frecuencias mensuales;
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:53 am

zkncj wrote:
aerojoe wrote:
Air NZ annual results are due to be updated tomorrow, is it likely that there will be any significant announcements at the same time?


Maybe some more direction around the 777 replacement? that is meant to happen later on this year. The 77E's are starting to get up there in age, and probably need to start leavinng from 2020.

One could hope for an new J seat, but that would be too hope full.


Don't be so dramatic, the oldest 77E is coming up 12 and they were 2-3 years ago fully refurbished, by the sounds of it they will leave from 2022ish. They are still good at what they do.

777ER wrote:
From the Australian thread......looks like Norwegian has applied for EZE-AKL-SYD......

Sydney

60) BUENOS AIRES – SYDNEY (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: TRES (3) frecuencias semanales;
and
12) CÓRDOBA – BUENOS AIRES (EZEIZA) – AUCKLAND (NUEVA ZELANDA) – SYDNEY (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: DIECISÉIS (16) frecuencias mensuales;


Hmm not sure what to make of this, where will this originate? 16 frequencies a month? Sounds like 3/4 weekly.

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