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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:57 am

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From the Australian thread......looks like Norwegian has applied for EZE-AKL-SYD......

Sydney

60) BUENOS AIRES – SYDNEY (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: TRES (3) frecuencias semanales;
and
12) CÓRDOBA – BUENOS AIRES (EZEIZA) – AUCKLAND (NUEVA ZELANDA) – SYDNEY (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: DIECISÉIS (16) frecuencias mensuales;


Among a number of other things from the same post in the Australian thread:

"Perth

43) BUENOS AIRES – PERTH (AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: DOS (2) frecuencias semanales;
but also has
31) BUENOS AIRES (EZEIZA) – USHUAIA – PERTH (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) – SINGAPUR (REPÚBLICA DE SINGAPUR) y v.v.: DIECISÉIS (16) frecuencias mensuales;


Then Sydney

60) BUENOS AIRES – SYDNEY (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: TRES (3) frecuencias semanales;
and
12) CÓRDOBA – BUENOS AIRES (EZEIZA) – AUCKLAND (NUEVA ZELANDA) – SYDNEY (MANCOMUNIDAD DE AUSTRALIA) y v.v.: DIECISÉIS (16) frecuencias mensuales;"


The literal translation is 16 frequencies monthly.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:25 am

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Don't be so dramatic, the oldest 77E is coming up 12 and they were 2-3 years ago fully refurbished, by the sounds of it they will leave from 2022ish. They are still good at what they do.



By 2020 the early 77E's will be approaching 16 years old, do you really want to see the same thing happen with the 763? the last 6 years we're nothing but unpleasant on them.

Also by 2020 the 77E will be due for an cabin refurb again, highly unlikely to see them do an 3rd cabin refresh.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:32 am

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ZK-NBT wrote:

Don't be so dramatic, the oldest 77E is coming up 12 and they were 2-3 years ago fully refurbished, by the sounds of it they will leave from 2022ish. They are still good at what they do.



By 2020 the early 77E's will be approaching 16 years old, do you really want to see the same thing happen with the 763? the last 6 years we're nothing but unpleasant on them.

Also by 2020 the 77E will be due for an cabin refurb again, highly unlikely to see them do an 3rd cabin refresh.


That's up to NZ what they do with them, I agree it would seem unlikely they will get another refresh. The original cabin lasted nearly 9 years before they began replacing it in 2014 though.

The 763's were upgraded in 2008/09 they probably were dated by the end, it wouldn't have been very nice to get them long haul in J, I flew one to NRT and back in Y in 2013, nothing wrong with it.

The 772 can do what the 763 couldn't and that is that it has range for The Americas and deeper Asia. It's still a good aircraft just not as efficient as it was with newer aircraft around.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:23 am

The 772 will probably only see more than 15 years of service if neither Airbus or Boeing come to the party with slots. If Airbus does offer a slot when NZ wants they will get the order, if Boeing does they will get the order. If NZ have to wait until 2023+ for a replacement they may well suffer the same issues that QF faced with the 744 when everyone else had the 77W or even when Boeing burnt them with the 787 delays.

As far as Norwegian are concerned, there is no guarantee of route yet, they have just applied for a whole heap of routes to try and get at least some accepted,
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:28 am

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Air NZ annual results are due to be updated tomorrow, is it likely that there will be any significant announcements at the same time?


Maybe some more direction around the 777 replacement? that is meant to happen later on this year. The 77E's are starting to get up there in age, and probably need to start leavinng from 2020.

One could hope for an new J seat, but that would be too hope full.


When do we think NZ would release a next generation business class product? I'd have thought that would come with the 77E replacement in the early 2020s, with the 787s and possibly the 77Ws being retrofitted around the same time.

Or, am I wrong in jumping to the conclusion that there's a need for a new J product? From my perspective, NZ's current product does seem obsolete.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:27 pm

NZ own some 77E's. My view is that these will be kept and used as needed across the network . A more prudent move than buying a similar number of new 789's.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:52 pm

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Out of interest, does anybody happen to have any photos/information about this "bridge to nowhere" that was in the old international terminal, its been mentioned in their blurb about the project but they haven't included an image?


Think they mean the one in the arrivals area? Back before customs was upstairs there was an bridge that ran above the baggage claim, which lead to the customs area (which is now MPI lines!).


Thanks for that, Interesting, that could be it, only other thing I can think of is that I recall from the AKL Airport book that they released years ago (Where NZ touches the world), they mentioned that there was some kind of garden with a bridge in the first Pier A extension (When G7-10 were built), could be that and they just stuck it into storage perhaps.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:51 am

NZ reports a net profit $382 million. A thread has been opened on NZ results, refer to

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Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:25 am

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zkncj wrote:

Thats currently the hard part about Hawaii, is the fares are 'cheap' yet the accommodation stock is unable to compete with the likes of Asia for the level of hotel you'll get for the same price along with that NZD-USD rate.

I think its been apart of the YVR growth is for the last couple of years there has barely been an difference between the CAD and NZD, making it much cheaper that America. If you do an week in Canada, then followed by another week in US you'll notice the currently pinch very fast.

E.g an $50USD/CAD meal for two would if in Canda would cost you around $51NZ yet in the US closer to $70.
what you must not have noticed is that ski resorts in usa are now much cheaper. Cheaper & better than anything in Canada. U.s. resorts adjust thrir pricing to the exchange rate. It's now much cheaper for kiwis & Australians to book a few weeks in a u.s. ski resort than for yanks. Why? We stay over 2 weeks on average. Yanks stay 3.5 nights on average cos most only get 2 weeks annual leave. Saw an Australian snow holiday wholesaler advertising lift tickets in Colorado from $18 u.s. a day for 1 adult & up to 4 kids , total not each where the price at resort is $180 u.s.a day per adult & $115 a day per child.

Not sure where you get your info about ski resorts but I can assure you that Canadian resorts are cheaper (with a couple of exceptions) than US destination resorts (Whistler and East Coast resorts being the only real expensive Canadian resorts. By comparison the likes of Aspen, Vail, Park City, Jackson Hole, Big Sky, Telluride, Breckenridge all tend to be far more than Canadian resorts.
While US resorts do usually try to adjust for exchange rate, it very rarely compensates. This is why for both last season and the season coming most of the Canadian properties are mostly booked out by Americans.
Yes shopping in the US is cheaper.
right now, you can buy a lift pass for a major Colorado resort for US$18/day for an adult & up to 4 kids are free.

here's the link. I think it ends in 3 or 4 hours.

http://kisstravel.info/CLICK_FRENZY_DEA ... Frenzy2017

Accommodation in USA ski resorts is much cheaper as well. U.S. resorts love Australians cos we stay so long cf. yanks.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:28 am

BTW Nzski has just come out with a 5 day ski pass for Sept for NZD$375 fro Coronet Peak & the Remarkables (2 very basic resorts). For about the same amount or less, you can ski for 14 days in Colorado, that's for an adult + 4 kids are free & you get lift line priority. With airfares to USA from OZ cheaper than say BNE/ZQN why would anyone bother with Queenstown anymore ?
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:34 am

Somoa Airways will start flights to AKL from November

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... oeing-737/
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:39 am

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NZ reports a net profit $382 million


Very well done.

I recall the days of everyone moaning and groaning because of Air NZ not having any competition - well, now it does, and here's the result. Still good.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:43 am

Air NZ has just renewed the leases on two of the four leased 77Es. Thought it belonged on this thread due to recent comments.

NOTES TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS For the year to 30 June 2017
page 27
21. Operating Leases.
In August 2017, leases were extended on two Boeing 777-200 aircraft which have been included above.


Also, page 28
22. Capital Commitments
Commitments as at reporting date include three Boeing 787-9 aircraft (delivery from 2017 to 2018 calendar years), four Airbus A321 NEOs and nine Airbus A320 NEOs (delivery from 2018 to 2021 calendar years) and fourteen ATR72-600s (delivery from 2017 to 2020 calendar years).

One of the five ATR72-600s to be delivered in FY2019 is now going to be delivered in FY2020. So now four in FY2018, four in FY2019 and six in FY2020. (Slide 14 of the Analyst Presentation)


And on page 10
3. Other Significant Items
An impairment loss of $8 million was recognised during the year ended 30 June 2017 for six Beech 1900D aircraft which were held for resale. The Beech 1900D fleet of eighteen aircraft exited service by August 2016 following a strategic review of regional airline operations. During the period the aircraft have been actively marketed for sale. The impairment expense reflects a revision to the market value based on current market conditions.

So theoretically they have dropped the asking price by an average of $1.33 million for each aircraft.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:01 am

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With airfares to USA from OZ cheaper than say BNE/ZQN why would anyone bother with Queenstown anymore ?

Well the US Ski Team has just been training in Queenstown, so maybe they know something you don't know BNEA320, REALDEAL etc etc

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:47 am

Not sure why we see so much 77E bashing on this thread. The 77E is still very good at what it does,apart from fuel burn it is a far more versatile aircraft than the 787. Not only does it carry more pax over the same distance as the 787 it has a larger premium cabin and the ability to carry significant amounts of cargo something that the 787 cannot do. The 77E isn't being pulled from IAH because the 787 is a better aircraft it is because the 77E needs to be utilized elsewhere. I would expect to see more changes in schedules in the near future and fully expect to see the 77E back on the Singapore route before to much longer. Air New Zealand are not alone in recognising the value of the 77E. Interestingly Singapore Airlines are using the new A350's to replace the A330's not the 772ER's in their fleet and their 772's are all older than the oldest in the Air New Zealand fleet.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:55 am

UA has now appeared to scrap the additional flights after Dec 18. the daily schedule will now be operated with 366 seat 777-300ER.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:28 am

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The 772 will probably only see more than 15 years of service if neither Airbus or Boeing come to the party with slots. If Airbus does offer a slot when NZ wants they will get the order, if Boeing does they will get the order. If NZ have to wait until 2023+ for a replacement they may well suffer the same issues that QF faced with the 744 when everyone else had the 77W or even when Boeing burnt them with the 787 delays.

As far as Norwegian are concerned, there is no guarantee of route yet, they have just applied for a whole heap of routes to try and get at least some accepted,


While I'm sure slots will play some roll in the order, I think both manufacturers will have to work hard. The A350 both 900 and 1000 is compelling and NZ have an A320 fleet but NZ already have 777's with crew and the possibility of a 777/787 cross fleeting down the line which they hoped to already have. The 779 is quite large but a 778 could open several routes as could a possible A359 order.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:04 am

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Interestingly Singapore Airlines are using the new A350's to replace the A330's not the 772ER's in their fleet and their 772's are all older than the oldest in the Air New Zealand fleet.


That was SQ's plan anyway, the A330's were only on a short lease until A359's arrived. Also don't forget all the A359's they have taken so far have are 3 class so these aircraft are not really intended to replace the regional fleet but have been used to open new LH routes and adjust capacity on existing routes as well. The 772ER's along with the 773A's will be replaced once the 787-10 arrives at SQ
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:09 am

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With airfares to USA from OZ cheaper than say BNE/ZQN why would anyone bother with Queenstown anymore ?

Well the US Ski Team has just been training in Queenstown, so maybe they know something you don't know BNEA320, REALDEAL etc etc

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Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:15 am

https://p-airnz.com/cms/assets/PDFs/air-nz-2017-annual-results-presentation.pdf

Page. 19:

"NORTH AMERICA: New market development campaign launching Q1"

By 'new market' are they hinting at a new route?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:18 am

Reuters is talking about replacing the 772 with either A350 or 777X, from the ppt above it seems that the last 789 will not be replacement. That will definitely be upgauging especially if they its either a A351 or 779.
https://www.reuters.com/article/air-new ... SL4N1L858G
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:26 am

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Zkpilot wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
what you must not have noticed is that ski resorts in usa are now much cheaper. Cheaper & better than anything in Canada. U.s. resorts adjust thrir pricing to the exchange rate. It's now much cheaper for kiwis & Australians to book a few weeks in a u.s. ski resort than for yanks. Why? We stay over 2 weeks on average. Yanks stay 3.5 nights on average cos most only get 2 weeks annual leave. Saw an Australian snow holiday wholesaler advertising lift tickets in Colorado from $18 u.s. a day for 1 adult & up to 4 kids , total not each where the price at resort is $180 u.s.a day per adult & $115 a day per child.

Not sure where you get your info about ski resorts but I can assure you that Canadian resorts are cheaper (with a couple of exceptions) than US destination resorts (Whistler and East Coast resorts being the only real expensive Canadian resorts. By comparison the likes of Aspen, Vail, Park City, Jackson Hole, Big Sky, Telluride, Breckenridge all tend to be far more than Canadian resorts.
While US resorts do usually try to adjust for exchange rate, it very rarely compensates. This is why for both last season and the season coming most of the Canadian properties are mostly booked out by Americans.
Yes shopping in the US is cheaper.
right now, you can buy a lift pass for a major Colorado resort for US$18/day for an adult & up to 4 kids are free.

here's the link. I think it ends in 3 or 4 hours.

http://kisstravel.info/CLICK_FRENZY_DEA ... Frenzy2017

Accommodation in USA ski resorts is much cheaper as well. U.S. resorts love Australians cos we stay so long cf. yanks.

Yes I know about Copper Mountain (have stayed there myself). Even with that deal (spam looking type site btw oh and there are even better deals than that for Kiwisat Copper through companies like www.travelandco.nz) there are still cheaper deals to be had in Canada in resorts like Panorama, Sun Peaks, Big White etc. Copper is about the best US deal there is (and it's a great resort enjoyed it) most other US resorts would be about NZ$3-4K more per family if not more for a 2 week stay.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:50 am

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Reuters is talking about replacing the 772 with either A350 or 777X, from the ppt above it seems that the last 789 will not be replacement. That will definitely be upgauging especially if they its either a A351 or 779.
https://www.reuters.com/article/air-new ... SL4N1L858G


The last 789 was never replacement for 772's. likely either A359 or 778 as 772 replacement with 779 or A35J having the inside running for the 77W replacement, the 779 is big, they may opt for more 778's if the economics are right on standard 12 hr long haul flights.

aerorobnz wrote:
UA has now appeared to scrap the additional flights after Dec 18. the daily schedule will now be operated with 366 seat 777-300ER.


Makes sense to me if they have spare capacity in the NW. Probly use the 789's elsewhere.

GW54 wrote:
Not sure why we see so much 77E bashing on this thread. The 77E is still very good at what it does,apart from fuel burn it is a far more versatile aircraft than the 787. Not only does it carry more pax over the same distance as the 787 it has a larger premium cabin and the ability to carry significant amounts of cargo something that the 787 cannot do. The 77E isn't being pulled from IAH because the 787 is a better aircraft it is because the 77E needs to be utilized elsewhere. I would expect to see more changes in schedules in the near future and fully expect to see the 77E back on the Singapore route before to much longer. Air New Zealand are not alone in recognising the value of the 77E. Interestingly Singapore Airlines are using the new A350's to replace the A330's not the 772ER's in their fleet and their 772's are all older than the oldest in the Air New Zealand fleet.


Agree the 77E is a good plane still but it's that 20% fuel burn increase over the 789 which makes the 789 more flexible. That is why the 789 is going to IAH, not because the 77E is needed elsewhere. This is a new 789 configuration. I do agree, I feel we will see the 77E's on medium haul more like HNL, PER, SIN is a good bet imo. HKG is freight heavy and they may not have enough 789's for some time to cover that.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:08 pm

Does Air New Zealand need all the capacity the 777-300ER brings?

If they don't, the 777-8 would be a good replacement for the Los Angeles - London sector and it might even open up some ULH routes such as New York or Dubai. Couple that with with the 787-9 and the 787-10 for Asia flying and you would have a pretty efficient and versatile widebody fleet.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:23 pm

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Does Air New Zealand need all the capacity the 777-300ER brings?

Yes currently. If you're comparing like for like then the 315t A350-1000 is the closest match to the 77W in size and spec.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:40 pm

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https://p-airnz.com/cms/assets/PDFs/air-nz-2017-annual-results-presentation.pdf

Page. 19:

"NORTH AMERICA: New market development campaign launching Q1"

By 'new market' are they hinting at a new route?


No. This is a new marketing campaign, not a new route. I am sure they're working on something though.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:58 pm

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USAOZ wrote:
With airfares to USA from OZ cheaper than say BNE/ZQN why would anyone bother with Queenstown anymore ?

Well the US Ski Team has just been training in Queenstown, so maybe they know something you don't know BNEA320, REALDEAL etc etc

PA515


Think about it, in the US summer they can't train, hence them training in NZ, a lot of the European teams train here as well.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:48 pm

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Does Air New Zealand need all the capacity the 777-300ER brings?

If they don't, the 777-8 would be a good replacement for the Los Angeles - London sector and it might even open up some ULH routes such as New York or Dubai. Couple that with with the 787-9 and the 787-10 for Asia flying and you would have a pretty efficient and versatile widebody fleet.



FYI I doubt NZ will be going to the Middle East, very long with what demand there is covered by QR and EK.

The 77W has a much larger J cabin than the 77E or 789 and allows greater overall capacity in each class and the hold.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:02 pm

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Quint1 wrote:
Does Air New Zealand need all the capacity the 777-300ER brings?

Yes currently. If you're comparing like for like then the 315t A350-1000 is the closest match to the 77W in size and spec.


The A350-900 and A350-1000 would also make a pretty perfect 777 fleet replacement for ANZ. Oh I'd hate to have to make these kind of choices.

Is it possible for Air New Zealand to do a 'Qantas' i.e. open up a nonstop flight to Europe from Auckland, say to London? Are the A350-900ULR or 777-8 capable of doing this?

I have no idea if this would be even remotely possible or profitable but it's fun to speculate about.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:23 pm

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GW54 wrote:
Not sure why we see so much 77E bashing on this thread. The 77E is still very good at what it does,apart from fuel burn it is a far more versatile aircraft than the 787. Not only does it carry more pax over the same distance as the 787 it has a larger premium cabin and the ability to carry significant amounts of cargo something that the 787 cannot do. The 77E isn't being pulled from IAH because the 787 is a better aircraft it is because the 77E needs to be utilized elsewhere. I would expect to see more changes in schedules in the near future and fully expect to see the 77E back on the Singapore route before to much longer. Air New Zealand are not alone in recognising the value of the 77E. Interestingly Singapore Airlines are using the new A350's to replace the A330's not the 772ER's in their fleet and their 772's are all older than the oldest in the Air New Zealand fleet.


Agree the 77E is a good plane still but it's that 20% fuel burn increase over the 789 which makes the 789 more flexible. That is why the 789 is going to IAH, not because the 77E is needed elsewhere. This is a new 789 configuration. I do agree, I feel we will see the 77E's on medium haul more like HNL, PER, SIN is a good bet imo. HKG is freight heavy and they may not have enough 789's for some time to cover that.


I believe somewhere in the EDTO >180 operations the 789 has an advantage over the 77E. Hence the reason for it to be used on EZE and IAH. Based on ULD spaces there is very little difference in cargo capacity between the 789 and 77E.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:58 am

Once the 300 pax are on board on a route like LAX-AKL there wont be much weight left available on the 789 to use that similar capacity. The 77E can use it's capacity though, helping to offset
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Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:21 am

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Has anybody travelled through AKL's international terminal recently? I'd be grateful for an update on the construction work being undertaken at the moment - i.e. the Pier 2 extension and international departures expansion. AKL is pretty slow when it comes to posting updates on their website.


Here's a link to their vimeo channel which has a June update, albeit it is rather short. It looks like they have partially opened the new security screening area and the first half of the new duty free stores. Nothing yet on the great hall portion though this looks to be the last part which will open late 2018. Pier B work is way more noticeable, looks like most of the exterior work on both 17 and 18 is almost complete, mostly internal work now i imagine, air-bridge installation for at least 17 cant be too far away. I have found that the Novotel AKL Airport facebook page is quite handy for regular photo updates.

https://vimeo.com/user7933951

Out of interest, does anybody happen to have any photos/information about this "bridge to nowhere" that was in the old international terminal, its been mentioned in their blurb about the project but they haven't included an image?

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:35 am

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Somoa Airways will start flights to AKL from November

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... oeing-737/

Hmmm, with a 737 leased from Icelandair. Last time I checked, they had no 737s apart from some MAXs on order.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:58 am

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I have a view from the air, but not ground. I didn't go over that way on the way to RAR. Sorry about the image being that way around, it is right where I uploaded it. If you click on it, it goes the right way around.


That's brilliant - thanks so much. It's a pretty massive apron now. Is that some kind of pond going in?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:46 am

QF46 wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
I have a view from the air, but not ground. I didn't go over that way on the way to RAR. Sorry about the image being that way around, it is right where I uploaded it. If you click on it, it goes the right way around.


That's brilliant - thanks so much. It's a pretty massive apron now. Is that some kind of pond going in?

Between the engine and the new part? No idea. Maybe underground fuel storage or more stands? I think there were going to be some more remote stands as well. I wonder if they will have to eventually expand into the water on the far side of the runway for space for new gates. They still regularly run out of space in peak times with all the new carriers. Two new gates isn't really going to make that much of a difference, especially as that land was used as remote stands
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:56 am

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Once the 300 pax are on board on a route like LAX-AKL there wont be much weight left available on the 789 to use that similar capacity. The 77E can use it's capacity though, helping to offset
the fuel burn difference.


Sure and that's why the 789 in that configuration won't be used on LAX/SFO, the 77E is good when filled. The 77E is a good plane on the right route, the 789 better in the right configuration.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:06 am

LamboAston wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Somoa Airways will start flights to AKL from November

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... oeing-737/

Hmmm, with a 737 leased from Icelandair. Last time I checked, they had no 737s apart from some MAXs on order.

Actually Loftleidir Icelandic which is the wet lease arm of Icelandair has 737s, last time I checked they had 2x 738 and 1x 73G the aircraft are not owned by Icelandair and not registered in Iceland.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:08 am

Irregular poster on this thread, so with regard to the 350 vs 77X contest at NZ - how much does weight play into considering for short haul flights? With NZ using the 777s on a number of Tasman flights, would the lighter 350 have an advantage as they are more versatile in this sense? In contrast to QF who won't use their wide body on such short sectors. Beyond JFK what ULH routes do NZ need the 778 range for?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:10 am

smi0006 wrote:
Irregular poster on this thread, so with regard to the 350 vs 77X contest at NZ - how much does weight play into considering for short haul flights? With NZ using the 777s on a number of Tasman flights, would the lighter 350 have an advantage as they are more versatile in this sense? In contrast to QF who won't use their wide body on such short sectors. Beyond JFK what ULH routes do NZ need the 778 range for?


TBH I think NZ will buy a long haul aircraft with long haul routes in mind, the current 777's are used due to NZ's hub at AKL being well concentrated on connections and the aircraft would otherwise sit idle.

As to ULH, NZ could look at GRU, Maybe JNB? Not India I doubt. Best plane for ORD?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:16 am

smi0006 wrote:
Irregular poster on this thread, so with regard to the 350 vs 77X contest at NZ - how much does weight play into considering for short haul flights? With NZ using the 777s on a number of Tasman flights, would the lighter 350 have an advantage as they are more versatile in this sense? In contrast to QF who won't use their wide body on such short sectors. Beyond JFK what ULH routes do NZ need the 778 range for?


Yes, it will factor in to their order. the 777-200LR was not ordered by NZ over the -200ER for this very reason. The -200ER was preferable on flights shorter than 5h because it wasn't hauling extra weight for any payload gain. I feel that this is where Boeing could indeed lose the order as NZ's focus is no different. They want a flexible fleet.at the expense of ULH capability.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:22 pm

I agree. I think the 350 is in with a real chance on this one. The combo of 359, 359ULR and 35K plays to NZ's nimble flexible strategy of being able to adjust frequency and capacity with a common type rating. Will be very interesting to see which way they jump on this one.

On another note, why not India? It hasn't been attractive with current equipment but that doesn't mean it won't be in the near future unless their arrangements with SIA are connected to their decision not to open direct flights to this point. I'd love to know the actual stats of AKL- India passengers per day. I'd say it would be plenty to justify a direct flight but not sure about premium demand. I know of passengers who travel regularly to India and Sri Lanka on Emirates with a change in Dubai. That'e quite a back-track.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:41 pm

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Reuters is talking about replacing the 772 with either A350 or 777X, from the ppt above it seems that the last 789 will not be replacement. That will definitely be upgauging especially if they its either a A351 or 779.
https://www.reuters.com/article/air-new ... SL4N1L858G


What chance they'll have new aircraft in service in time to open New York non-stop in the lead-up to the Amaerica's Cup? One way to make a splash with a new route...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:17 pm

kelvin933 wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Somoa Airways will start flights to AKL from November

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... oeing-737/

Hmmm, with a 737 leased from Icelandair. Last time I checked, they had no 737s apart from some MAXs on order.

Actually Loftleidir Icelandic which is the wet lease arm of Icelandair has 737s, last time I checked they had 2x 738 and 1x 73G the aircraft are not owned by Icelandair and not registered in Iceland.

After doing some research, they were delivered 15 738s, all immediately leased out to other airlines. Not sure how many they still have.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:39 pm

My view is that NZ will shoot for the "big apple" NYC at some point. Before that it will probably be ORD. I expect that they will want to do both with one type since the sub fleets to do each would be be relatively small. In my view they will need the most efficient ~8500nm airplane they can buy. In my view if they need interim lift before the 777-8X they may need to lease two or three 777-9X with AFT's. to get the fuel needed.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:44 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
PA515 wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
With airfares to USA from OZ cheaper than say BNE/ZQN why would anyone bother with Queenstown anymore ?

Well the US Ski Team has just been training in Queenstown, so maybe they know something you don't know BNEA320, REALDEAL etc etc

PA515


Think about it, in the US summer they can't train, hence them training in NZ, a lot of the European teams train here as well.
all that means is NZ is slightly better than South America, which is 3rd world.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:47 pm

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USAOZ wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
Not sure where you get your info about ski resorts but I can assure you that Canadian resorts are cheaper (with a couple of exceptions) than US destination resorts (Whistler and East Coast resorts being the only real expensive Canadian resorts. By comparison the likes of Aspen, Vail, Park City, Jackson Hole, Big Sky, Telluride, Breckenridge all tend to be far more than Canadian resorts.
While US resorts do usually try to adjust for exchange rate, it very rarely compensates. This is why for both last season and the season coming most of the Canadian properties are mostly booked out by Americans.
Yes shopping in the US is cheaper.
right now, you can buy a lift pass for a major Colorado resort for US$18/day for an adult & up to 4 kids are free.

here's the link. I think it ends in 3 or 4 hours.

http://kisstravel.info/CLICK_FRENZY_DEA ... Frenzy2017

Accommodation in USA ski resorts is much cheaper as well. U.S. resorts love Australians cos we stay so long cf. yanks.

Yes I know about Copper Mountain (have stayed there myself). Even with that deal (spam looking type site btw oh and there are even better deals than that for Kiwisat Copper through companies like http://www.travelandco.nz) there are still cheaper deals to be had in Canada in resorts like Panorama, Sun Peaks, Big White etc. Copper is about the best US deal there is (and it's a great resort enjoyed it) most other US resorts would be about NZ$3-4K more per family if not more for a 2 week stay.

think the only way to get cheaper at places like Copper Mt is if staying for 4 weeks or so & either get a season pass or a season pass from one of those North Island ski hills.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:39 am

Long time lurker on the forum (ex-pat Kiwi living in Boulder, CO).

Other than NZ and QF,. Who else flies to MEL from either CHC or AKL? Looking for some cheap flights in February 2018....

Thanks!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:31 am

brucek wrote:
Long time lurker on the forum (ex-pat Kiwi living in Boulder, CO).

Other than NZ and QF,. Who else flies to MEL from either CHC or AKL? Looking for some cheap flights in February 2018....

Thanks!


Welcome :-)

AKL/CHC-MEL: EK, JQ, VA. Not sure if CI is flying to MEL as well, or only SYD and BNE?

Cheers
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:13 am

zkeoj wrote:
brucek wrote:
Long time lurker on the forum (ex-pat Kiwi living in Boulder, CO).

Other than NZ and QF,. Who else flies to MEL from either CHC or AKL? Looking for some cheap flights in February 2018....

Thanks!


Welcome :-)

AKL/CHC-MEL: EK, JQ, VA. Not sure if CI is flying to MEL as well, or only SYD and BNE?

Cheers
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CI does MEL-CHC summer seasonal and BNE-AKL year round, no more SYD-Tasman services
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:19 am

USAOZ wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Well the US Ski Team has just been training in Queenstown, so maybe they know something you don't know BNEA320, REALDEAL etc etc

PA515


Think about it, in the US summer they can't train, hence them training in NZ, a lot of the European teams train here as well.
all that means is NZ is slightly better than South America, which is 3rd world.


There's plenty of good skiing in South America, the main thing is they pick us over Australia, thats a win in my book ;)

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