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New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:50 pm
by qf789
Welcome to the August edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. Please continue to add your comments below. Link to July edition viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1367149

Please note: Moderators have decided to let all country/regional aviation threads like this thread be a month long thread instead of the usual 200-250 post limit as per before

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:28 am
by NZ321
A few months ago Airlineroute announced that Thai were switching equipment on BKK-AKL to 77W for the coming summer season. Since then Thai has announced 359 for AKL starting March 2017 correct? Anyone know what has happened with the 77W announcement. Seems AKL will continue 772 over the busy Xmas period according to what is showing up when booking. Anyone have the info?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:29 am
by NZ321
Further to the above, SQ is still showing A380 to AKL for summer but I thought I read they had revised this and AKL will be 77W. Anyone able to confirm? MEL has just been assigned A380 for summer.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:43 am
by 777ER
Air New Zealand adding 180,000 extra domestic seats for summer with AKL-ZQN getting an additional 60,000 seats!

https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press-r ... xtra-seats

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:47 am
by qf789
NZ321 wrote:
Further to the above, SQ is still showing A380 to AKL for summer but I thought I read they had revised this and AKL will be 77W. Anyone able to confirm? MEL has just been assigned A380 for summer.


SQ is only operating the A388 to MEL in December

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:46 pm
by LamboAston
Are KE going to bring the 748 in for summer?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:32 pm
by aerorobnz
NZ321 wrote:
A few months ago Airlineroute announced that Thai were switching equipment on BKK-AKL to 77W for the coming summer season. Since then Thai has announced 359 for AKL starting March 2017 correct? Anyone know what has happened with the 77W announcement. Seems AKL will continue 772 over the busy Xmas period according to what is showing up when booking. Anyone have the info?

The 777-300 will operate over the summer until TG have enough A350s. I have been playing around with airfares for my trip to Paris in September, and it is 777-300 by then.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:26 pm
by SXI899
ZK-MVP is due to arrive tomorrow night at around 1930, with the departure of MCA now pushed back by a couple of weeks.

From the July thread:
SelandiaBaru wrote:
By the end of 2018 it will be required for operations above FL245 (the Q300 service ceiling is FL250 and it's not uncommon to operate at that level). From 2021 ADS-B will be mandatory.

It's actually uncommon to see either the ATRs or the Q300s operating above FL245 in NZ service, CHC-TRG on the Q being the only one that regularly gets up to FL250.
This seems to be an indication that the Q300s will indeed be remaining in the fleet for the foreseeable future, as I suspect the the 2021 plan for all flights in controlled airspace to be equipped with ADS-B is the driving force behind the modifications. If it had been the 2018 deadline, I believe that we would have also seen the AT75s getting ADS-B. However with the last of these leaving the fleet in 2020, there's no need to modify a limited number of aircraft on the off chance that they will need to operate a flight at their service ceiling between 31 December 2018 and their exit date.

mariner wrote:
Little Sounds Air is looking at bigger aircraft.....
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... r-aircraft
The long-term closure of the main road between the cities of Blenheim and Christchurch caused by the magnitude 7.8 earthquake that devastated areas of New Zealand’s South Island in November 2016 has produced enough extra passenger traffic on the route for regional carrier Sounds Air to add aircraft larger than the nine-seat Pilatus PC-12s it operates now....
However, Sounds Air does not intend to add 50-seat aircraft. For it to do so “would be a huge investment” and “a lot could go wrong,” said Crawford. “We are looking at Beech 1900Ds and potentially Saab 340Bs as the two options that are potentially viable,” he explained."

Interestingly, there are potentially a number of S340s becoming available from the end of this year, with Silver Airways over in the US ordering ATR42s to replace their fleet. Apparently the first ATR deliveries are due Q4 of this year, so I'm assuming that the Saabs will start leaving their fleet also around that time.

zkncj wrote:
What's going on with the Q300 repaint? seems odd that some haven't been repainted yet?

Next two are planned for repaint later this year.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:31 pm
by ZK-NBT
TG 77W is from Sept 1st, currently shows 772 again from Oct 29th but could change, then A359 from late March.

Nothing on SQ loaded as A388 for now but could change still.

Yes KE 748's scheduled to return from mid October.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:48 pm
by SelandiaBaru
SXI899 wrote:

From the July thread:
SelandiaBaru wrote:
By the end of 2018 it will be required for operations above FL245 (the Q300 service ceiling is FL250 and it's not uncommon to operate at that level). From 2021 ADS-B will be mandatory.

It's actually uncommon to see either the ATRs or the Q300s operating above FL245 in NZ service, CHC-TRG on the Q being the only one that regularly gets up to FL250.
This seems to be an indication that the Q300s will indeed be remaining in the fleet for the foreseeable future, as I suspect the the 2021 plan for all flights in controlled airspace to be equipped with ADS-B is the driving force behind the modifications. If it had been the 2018 deadline, I believe that we would have also seen the AT75s getting ADS-B. However with the last of these leaving the fleet in 2020, there's no need to modify a limited number of aircraft on the off chance that they will need to operate a flight at their service ceiling between 31 December 2018 and their exit date.


ATRs certainly, not uncommon for them to request block levels just to achieve a lower cruise altitude. But in my experience FL250 is not uncommon on CHC-NPL, NSN-AKL, BHE-AKL, PPQ-AKL just to name a few routes.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:19 am
by LamboAston
SXI899 wrote:
ZK-MVP is due to arrive tomorrow night at around 1930, with the departure of MCA now pushed back by a couple of weeks.


Is MCA going back into service, or staying parked?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:57 am
by bonzolab
LamboAston wrote:
SXI899 wrote:
ZK-MVP is due to arrive tomorrow night at around 1930, with the departure of MCA now pushed back by a couple of weeks.


Is MCA going back into service, or staying parked?

Saw it today under going engine runs. Tail is plain black. It's not coming back into service by the looks of things.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:07 am
by Zkpilot
Further talks are happening regarding the Singapore Airforce using Ohakea as a fighter jet base.
They are wanting to base some F-15s there since NZ has plenty of space and terrain for them to train in.
While it is Mil I didn't feel it justified its own post in Mil.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standa ... g-training

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:14 am
by aerorobnz
[/quote]
Is MCA going back into service, or staying parked?[/quote]
Saw it today under going engine runs. Tail is plain black. It's not coming back into service by the looks of things.[/quote]
End of service/lease/ownership checks prior to heading to Vietnam. There will probably be some ability to be a ground spare if they have technical outages too, provided the interior is not being altered/overhauled

PS I'm all for some SAF F16s at Ohakea. At least we will have a defence force again....lol

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:24 am
by LamboAston
bonzolab wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
SXI899 wrote:
ZK-MVP is due to arrive tomorrow night at around 1930, with the departure of MCA now pushed back by a couple of weeks.


Is MCA going back into service, or staying parked?

Saw it today under going engine runs. Tail is plain black. It's not coming back into service by the looks of things.

Interesting. Fully black tail when it was still in the teal livery. Wonder who its going to.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:25 am
by LamboAston
aerorobnz wrote:
bonzolab wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
Is MCA going back into service, or staying parked?


Saw it today under going engine runs. Tail is plain black. It's not coming back into service by the looks of things.

End of service/lease/ownership checks prior to heading to Vietnam. There will probably be some ability to be a ground spare if they have technical outages too, provided the interior is not being altered/overhauled

PS I'm all for some SAF F16s at Ohakea. At least we will have a defence force again....lol

Who is it going to in Vietnam, and how do you know?

About time we had a proper air defence, thats more than P-3s, and C130s.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:32 am
by LamboAston
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/951 ... -districts
NZ isn't returning to CHC-PPQ. Air Chathams or Sounds Air? Sounds Air is likely, but their fleet is a bit busy at the moment. Maybe once they get their larger prop for CHC-BHE.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:11 am
by SXI899
SelandiaBaru wrote:
But in my experience FL250 is not uncommon on CHC-NPL, NSN-AKL, BHE-AKL, PPQ-AKL just to name a few routes.

Even on those routes, its only occasionally that the Q operates at its service ceiling. It certainly does so more often than the ATR, but I think that the ADS-B mod has more to do with plans to operate the Q beyond 2021 than them requiring it for the few flights they operate above FL245. As the AT75s will be gone by the time that ADS-B is required for all flights in controlled airspace, I don't expect that they'll have a similar mod completed.

LamboAston wrote:
Interesting. Fully black tail when it was still in the teal livery.

MCA has been in the black livery for a while now, since late January last year.

LamboAston wrote:
Who is it going to in Vietnam, and how do you know?

Its just going to SGN for paint, then on to its new owner/operator in Bangladesh.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:05 am
by ZKSUJ
I saw TIU-CHC was at FL250 today so it does happen often enough. In my own observation the Q does alot more flying in the 20-25,000 range than the ATRs. Probably doesnt mean a whole lot though

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:35 am
by NZ321
TG 773 or 77W (who knows) from September then back to 772 in late October is strange. September and October are shoulder season. The demand is surely most December / January / February? Strange decision if you ask me.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:49 am
by ZK-NBT
NZ321 wrote:
TG 773 or 77W (who knows) from September then back to 772 in late October is strange. September and October are shoulder season. The demand is surely most December / January / February? Strange decision if you ask me.


TG don't do logical. It is 77W's though the 773's have turned up before not for a while. Just freed up 77W's with A359's arriving going to Europe initially. The summer schedule probably isn't confirmed yet.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:01 am
by aerorobnz
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
TG 773 or 77W (who knows) from September then back to 772 in late October is strange. September and October are shoulder season. The demand is surely most December / January / February? Strange decision if you ask me.


TG don't do logical. It is 77W's though the 773's have turned up before not for a while. Just freed up 77W's with A359's arriving going to Europe initially. The summer schedule probably isn't confirmed yet.

This may be aircraft maintenance related availability. They do not have many 772s, which if they are out for C/D maintenance may leave them short temporarily across the network, and they maybe need the belly cargo uplift out of AKL compared to other 772 markets.

TG is one of the great mismanagement stories of the aviation world AB,AZ,VA,TG,MH,AR.SA are all basket cases.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:04 am
by Zkpilot
NZ adds additional flight during high season to YVR.
January 6th and 13th additional 77E flight operating due to high demand.
Hopefully this is just the start and that next season they do it for longer.
They are also adding an additional flight during some of the low season.

Eventually the plan is to operate the 789 daily during most of the year and probably upgauge or multiple frequencies during high season (Dec-Feb).

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:12 am
by caminham
Looks like ZK-MVP has just started the trip across the Tasman: https://www.flightradar24.com/SXI1734/e553804

Its been interesting tracking it over the last week skipping its way from airport to airport through the Middle East and southern Asia.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:28 am
by NPL8800
In regards to TG aircraft changes, the return to the 772 may coincide with the decision to increase frequency to daily. No start given as of yet for the additional 2 weekly flights required but no doubt they will be announced in due course. It has been a fair while since TG were daily, if I recall the last time was when they operated the service with A340 aircraft around 2007-08.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/201 ... -deal.html

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/ ... o-thailand

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:46 am
by LamboAston
So is another ATR going to be the next delivered, or a A320 NEO? What is the current estimated delivery sequence?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:01 pm
by NZ321
I do hope Thai puts a lie flat seat on AKL. It is a long route otherwise.... is there a start date for the A359?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:45 am
by ZKOAB
LamboAston wrote:
So is another ATR going to be the next delivered, or a A320 NEO? What is the current estimated delivery sequence?


ZK-MVQ, the next ATR is due next month.
ZK-NZL and ZK-NZM, the next 789's are due for delivery on October 12 and November 14 2017 respectively.

Info on future deliveries for ATR, 320/321NEO and 789's are highlighted on Page 15 of the airlines interim results here: https://p-airnz.com/cms/assets/PDFs/201 ... tation.pdf
Note: Info was released back in February and timelines are based on a financial year rather than a calendar year.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:18 am
by Zkpilot
NZ is going daily year round on HNL and 9 weekly during certain peaks. Going to operated by 789 most of the year with the 77E during peaks.
Was kinda inevitable but good to see. Surprised by the more than daily though. HA has also gone to 4x weekly so between them that's pretty much double daily during peaks. Compare that to only a few years ago when it was 3x weekly with the smaller 763ER.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:39 pm
by sunrisevalley
ZKOAB wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
So is another ATR going to be the next delivered, or a A320 NEO? What is the current estimated delivery sequence?

ZK-MVQ, the next ATR is due next month.
ZK-NZL and ZK-NZM, the next 789's are due for delivery on October 12 and November 14 2017 respectively.
Info on future deliveries for ATR, 320/321NEO and 789's are highlighted on Page 15 of the airlines interim results here: https://p-airnz.com/cms/assets/PDFs/201 ... tation.pdf
Note: Info was released back in February and timelines are based on a financial year rather than a calendar year.

The Investors day in June 2017 had further updates. Believe the neo' s dont start arriving until about a year from now.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:50 pm
by sunrisevalley
ZKOAB wrote:
[ ZK-NZL and ZK-NZM, the next 789's are due for delivery on October 12 and November 14 2017 respectively.


I believe -NZM will be the first with the new Trent 1000 J3 engines.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:55 pm
by GW54
Increasing seats across the NZ network over the peak summer period is all well and good but it will obviously require higher aircraft utilisation across the fleet. Air New Zealand domestic ontime performance is at the moment abysmal, especially on the A320 and ATR operation. Air NZ statistics may show differently but it is becoming rare for a A320 or ATR to arrive or depart ontime. Baggage delivery is a major issue as well and seems to be especially bad in Wellington. More seats and more flight are great but lets concentrate on getting the basics right .

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:04 pm
by GW54
Increasing seats across the NZ network over the peak summer period is all well and good but it will obviously require higher aircraft utilisation across the fleet. Air New Zealand domestic ontime performance is at the moment abysmal, especially on the A320 and ATR operation. Air NZ statistics may show differently but it is becoming rare for a A320 or ATR to arrive or depart ontime. Baggage delivery is a major issue as well and seems to be especially bad in Wellington. More seats and more flight are great but lets concentrate on getting the basics right .

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:31 am
by ZK-NBT
GW54 wrote:
Increasing seats across the NZ network over the peak summer period is all well and good but it will obviously require higher aircraft utilisation across the fleet. Air New Zealand domestic ontime performance is at the moment abysmal, especially on the A320 and ATR operation. Air NZ statistics may show differently but it is becoming rare for a A320 or ATR to arrive or depart ontime. Baggage delivery is a major issue as well and seems to be especially bad in Wellington. More seats and more flight are great but lets concentrate on getting the basics right .


There has been some pretty bad weather in various parts of the country this winter, it's pretty hard to maintain a good OTP with this.

But yes some of the airports are getting rather busy or crowded. Probably AKL and ZQN mainly?!

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:10 am
by DavidByrne
To NZ6: for some reason, my PM response to you does not seem to have left my Outbox after several days; not at all sure why and I don't seem to be able to do anything else to make it go. If you're willing to send me an e-mail address by PM I'd be happy to respond to your message by e-mail.
Cheers
DavidByrne

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:28 am
by DavidByrne
It's very interesting to see the moves that NZ has made over the last week or so, increasing capacity very significantly on some of its seasonal routes in particular. While each individual announcement has been interesting and welcome, when you look at the totality of the announcements, you can see that the airline is really acting very "nimbly" to meet quite specific peaks in traffic. What I've seen is the following:

AKL-HND: Increase from 3pw to 4pw in early-mid January
AKL-DPS: Increase from 3pw to 5pw in peak winter season
AKL-YVR: Increase to daily over a longer period of the summer, plus the peak winter season, increasing to 8pw in the peak of the summer season
AKL-HNL: Increase from 5pw (6pw?) to 9pw in the peak winter season, and to daily over a good portion of the winter (not daily year-round as was suggested by another poster)

It's acknowledged that some of the frequency increases operate for just a few weeks only, but the signal that it sends is that NZ is actively managing its fleet and network in a very positive way. Is there any other significant carrier (aside from LCCs) that fine-tunes its network and frequencies quite so specifically?

If I'm correct, it means that YVR is now a minimum of 4pw year-round, and 5pw plus for a vast majority of the year.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:13 am
by LamboAston
sunrisevalley wrote:
ZKOAB wrote:
[ ZK-NZL and ZK-NZM, the next 789's are due for delivery on October 12 and November 14 2017 respectively.


I believe -NZM will be the first with the new Trent 1000 J3 engines.

The first 787 overall, or the first for NZ? Will that one be for a new ULH flight with newer more powerful and more fuel efficient engines? NZ probably already have an unreleased plan

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:23 am
by NPL8800
DavidByrne wrote:
It's acknowledged that some of the frequency increases operate for just a few weeks only, but the signal that it sends is that NZ is actively managing its fleet and network in a very positive way. Is there any other significant carrier (aside from LCCs) that fine-tunes its network and frequencies quite so specifically?


Most definitely, dynamic/seasonal scheduling is becoming increasingly common among mainline/legacy carriers due to there really being very few markets that have consistent year round demand. Russia/CIS to Southeast Asia/India (SU and TG in particular) is a great region to observe over the northern winter period for the large increase in services that eventuate which are not present or greatly reduced over summer. Closer to NZ, QF in recent years has moved to far more fluid scheduling on specific routes to best meet the demand peaks and troughs, especially over our summer months (re PER-AKL, SYD-ZQN etc).

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:02 am
by zkncj
With an this extra growth, whats the chance of the reamaing 789 options being firm-up this year?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:47 am
by ZK-NBT
zkncj wrote:
With an this extra growth, whats the chance of the reamaing 789 options being firm-up this year?


We had this discussion a while back, there are 2 each to be delivered this year and next in the premium configuration. Personally I doubt they will add more than 2-3 new orders at once but that depends when the options expire. But I would expect say 2 to be firmed up. I think next years are leases?

Also DavidByrne, EZE goes 5 weekly DEC-FEB up from 4 and 4 weekly from through March-April up from 3, or is it just April that's 4? Hopefully next year they will be able to go daily for summer 18/19.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:33 am
by NZ321
Yes - its a huge increase to HNL over previous. I imagine they will be working hard to offer some great package deals to entice tourists. I guess too, that means no new North American destination in the immediate future. Maybe later next year. With SQ using 77W to AKL this summer and NZ on 789 its going to be very tight on SIN-AKL and v/v.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:33 am
by NZ321
Yes - its a huge increase to HNL over previous. I imagine they will be working hard to offer some great package deals to entice tourists. I guess too, that means no new North American destination in the immediate future. Maybe later next year. With SQ using 77W to AKL this summer and NZ on 789 its going to be very tight on SIN-AKL and v/v.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:45 am
by ZK-NBT
NZ321 wrote:
Yes - its a huge increase to HNL over previous. I imagine they will be working hard to offer some great package deals to entice tourists. I guess too, that means no new North American destination in the immediate future. Maybe later next year. With SQ using 77W to AKL this summer and NZ on 789 its going to be very tight on SIN-AKL and v/v.


HNL is usually 5 weekly through winter this year went up to 6 for the July holidays, sometimes drops to 4, it will be daily for periods and 9 weekly for July holidays. There was never going to be a new destination in North America once the 2 premium 789's were announced for IAH, it won't happen IMO until late next year at the earliest but we could expect an announcement late this year if that's the case.

Nothing confirmed for SQ yet, loaded as A380 for now but they have been moving them around a bit of late. If they don't use A380 I'd expect either NZ or SQ to add an extra 3-5 weekly for peak periods.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:00 pm
by LamboAston
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
Yes - its a huge increase to HNL over previous. I imagine they will be working hard to offer some great package deals to entice tourists. I guess too, that means no new North American destination in the immediate future. Maybe later next year. With SQ using 77W to AKL this summer and NZ on 789 its going to be very tight on SIN-AKL and v/v.


HNL is usually 5 weekly through winter this year went up to 6 for the July holidays, sometimes drops to 4, it will be daily for periods and 9 weekly for July holidays. There was never going to be a new destination in North America once the 2 premium 789's were announced for IAH, it won't happen IMO until late next year at the earliest but we could expect an announcement late this year if that's the case.

Nothing confirmed for SQ yet, loaded as A380 for now but they have been moving them around a bit of late. If they don't use A380 I'd expect either NZ or SQ to add an extra 3-5 weekly for peak periods.

Agreed about SIN. I would expect SQ to do it, as NZ's fleet seems to be pretty full on.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:21 pm
by globalcabotage
Any updates on DEN, LAS, or ORD?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:03 am
by zkncj
NZ321 wrote:
Yes - its a huge increase to HNL over previous. I imagine they will be working hard to offer some great package deals to entice tourists.


Thats currently the hard part about Hawaii, is the fares are 'cheap' yet the accommodation stock is unable to compete with the likes of Asia for the level of hotel you'll get for the same price along with that NZD-USD rate.

I think its been apart of the YVR growth is for the last couple of years there has barely been an difference between the CAD and NZD, making it much cheaper that America. If you do an week in Canada, then followed by another week in US you'll notice the currently pinch very fast.

E.g an $50USD/CAD meal for two would if in Canda would cost you around $51NZ yet in the US closer to $70.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:18 am
by LamboAston
zkncj wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
Yes - its a huge increase to HNL over previous. I imagine they will be working hard to offer some great package deals to entice tourists.


Thats currently the hard part about Hawaii, is the fares are 'cheap' yet the accommodation stock is unable to compete with the likes of Asia for the level of hotel you'll get for the same price along with that NZD-USD rate.

I think its been apart of the YVR growth is for the last couple of years there has barely been an difference between the CAD and NZD, making it much cheaper that America. If you do an week in Canada, then followed by another week in US you'll notice the currently pinch very fast.

E.g an $50USD/CAD meal for two would if in Canda would cost you around $51NZ yet in the US closer to $70.

And probably YVR's growth has been aided by Trump screwing up everyone's travel plans.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:40 am
by ZK-NBT
globalcabotage wrote:
Any updates on DEN, LAS, or ORD?


Wasn't it you that told us to expect a spring announcement for ORD? Apologies if it wasn't. Like we keep saying I think an announcement late this year for a late 2018 start for ORD would seem most likely. But they may have other plans for those 2 789's to be delivered at that time.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:29 pm
by sunrisevalley
Zkpilot wrote:
Eventually the plan is to operate the 789 daily during most of the year and probably upgauge or multiple frequencies during high season (Dec-Feb).

When do you expect this to happen? 2019 with 301 seaters?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2017

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:47 pm
by sunrisevalley
LamboAston wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:
ZKOAB wrote:
[ ZK-NZL and ZK-NZM, the next 789's are due for delivery on October 12 and November 14 2017 respectively.
I believe -NZM will be the first with the new Trent 1000 J3 engines.

The first 787 overall, or the first for NZ? Will that one be for a new ULH flight with newer more powerful and more fuel efficient engines? NZ probably already have an unreleased plan

The first for NZ. I don't think the engine has more power than the present C version but it will have ~1.8% better fuel burn.