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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:14 am

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Re QFA330 I will never understand why they went for a domestic and an international configuration. Having a consistent product, seating, galleys, etc across the fleet would have simplified operations and enabled the aircraft to switch seamlessly from a domestic to an international flight.


They do only have one configuration, the problem is that it's geared towards domestic rather than international. They were already losing a big chunk of seats to make space for the new J (going from 300+ to 271) so to then dedicate even more space across the entire fleet for larger galleys, more toilets, crew rest etc when the primary role of the -200s is for domestic services didn't make sense.

Many of us on here foresaw the need for some international -200s but QF was more interested in saving a few pennies which means they either have to spend more now to make their fleet work for their network (ideally I think they would prefer to have more -300s and a smaller -200 fleet) or just hope that passengers will put up with a poorer experience for the next decade until the A330s are replaced.


How often do they get interchanged? I assume crew rest isn't required for most of Asia and if it is a single business seat could be blocked. From an economy pax perspective the iPads aren't that much of a downgrade. The challenge would be for cabin crew, and catering for limited stowarge, bench and oven space for two full international meal services.

Be interesting if QF makes many changes in Asia with the 380s, moving into the region on a more permanent basis. I don't know what to expect but I feel a few other changes coming in Asia.

I'd also like to agree with the general sentiment on how enjoyable the AU aviation discussions are, lively but respectable and of high quality! Thank you it's a pleasure reading the communities thoughts and ideas!
 
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What happened to EK415 today? Its a flight I normally track on flight radar but status today is "unknown"
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:13 am

Maybe it's time for QF to launch PER-JNB

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Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:43 am

They were never meant to go international but they quickly did. There's only one toilet for a whole J cabin on the new J config. Bad enough for domestic. Very poor for international.

Whilst it is impossible to predict the future one should hedge ones bets.

I single config would have been more flexible than multiple configs and would save the need to spend more money now to change them.

QF have form in this space. The upstairs Y cabin on the A380?
 
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:43 am

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Maybe it's time for QF to launch PER-JNB

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Maybe it's time for QF to launch PER-JNB

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Couldn't rely on VA to do it

But QF or NZ should give it a go, doesn't NZ get a lot of passengers transit through on to SAA flights?
Tho with flights moving over from international is there going to be enough room for QF?
 
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:51 am

Rumours have been swirling for some time now that QF was looking at PER-CPT but require 240mins ETOPS to do it. I don't know how credible that is, but it's been around for at least 6 months.
 
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:19 am

I also think QF entering PER-South Africa is a good idea since they can effectively take out the 744s currently on SYD-JNB and replace them with two 789 flights (or even A332s from Perth if they want to)

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Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:26 am

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Maybe it's time for QF to launch PER-JNB

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Couldn't rely on VA to do it

But QF or NZ should give it a go, doesn't NZ get a lot of passengers transit through on to SAA flights?
Tho with flights moving over from international is there going to be enough room for QF?


I'm not sure anyone has been able to show the NZ numbers, some would also be captured ex-SYD by QF. It was more NZ had overnighting aircraft in PER.

I would suspect QF doesn't have a huge amount of slack in its fleet, MEL-PER-JNB could be a good bet. Or BNE-PER-JNB. Wasn't a stat posted on hear that VA Interline's 80 pax a day ex-BNE onto SA?
 
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:54 am

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They were never meant to go international but they quickly did. There's only one toilet for a whole J cabin on the new J config. Bad enough for domestic. Very poor for international.

Whilst it is impossible to predict the future one should hedge ones bets.

I single config would have been more flexible than multiple configs and would save the need to spend more money now to change them.

QF have form in this space. The upstairs Y cabin on the A380?


Correction the A332 reconfigure program reduced the multiple configures down to 2 & allowed QF to interchange the fleet between International / domestic operations. The main difference notable in galleys, lavatories & y/c cabin. I too wish QF just fitted out the entire fleet with IFE.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:57 am

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Re QFA330 I will never understand why they went for a domestic and an international configuration. Having a consistent product, seating, galleys, etc across the fleet would have simplified operations and enabled the aircraft to switch seamlessly from a domestic to an international flight.


They do only have one configuration, the problem is that it's geared towards domestic rather than international. They were already losing a big chunk of seats to make space for the new J (going from 300+ to 271) so to then dedicate even more space across the entire fleet for larger galleys, more toilets, crew rest etc when the primary role of the -200s is for domestic services didn't make sense.

Many of us on here foresaw the need for some international -200s but QF was more interested in saving a few pennies which means they either have to spend more now to make their fleet work for their network (ideally I think they would prefer to have more -300s and a smaller -200 fleet) or just hope that passengers will put up with a poorer experience for the next decade until the A330s are replaced.


How often do they get interchanged? I assume crew rest isn't required for most of Asia and if it is a single business seat could be blocked. From an economy pax perspective the iPads aren't that much of a downgrade. The challenge would be for cabin crew, and catering for limited stowarge, bench and oven space for two full international meal services.

Be interesting if QF makes many changes in Asia with the 380s, moving into the region on a more permanent basis. I don't know what to expect but I feel a few other changes coming in Asia.

I'd also like to agree with the general sentiment on how enjoyable the AU aviation discussions are, lively but respectable and of high quality! Thank you it's a pleasure reading the communities thoughts and ideas!


If you look at the QF seats map for the A332's the seat map for the ipads (EBA-EBF plus EBJ and EBK) have seats blocked off (4 - 55A+B, 56A+B) for cabin crew and on the other A332's (EBM-EBV) have 1 seat blocked off in business (7A) and 6 seats in economy (54A+B, 55A+B, 56A+B) for crew rest requirements

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:21 am

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I also think QF entering PER-South Africa is a good idea since they can effectively take out the 744s currently on SYD-JNB and replace them with two 789 flights (or even A332s from Perth if they want to)

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Yes I think something like that would work well, SA has between 36J and 42J so I think a 236 seat 789 would fit in nicely
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:28 am

Can't Australian carriers only run 10 weekly flights to South Africa? Pretty sure it was the case, bilateral may have been updated?
 
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:30 am

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Maybe it's time for QF to launch PER-JNB

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Couldn't rely on VA to do it

But QF or NZ should give it a go, doesn't NZ get a lot of passengers transit through on to SAA flights?
Tho with flights moving over from international is there going to be enough room for QF?


I'm not sure anyone has been able to show the NZ numbers, some would also be captured ex-SYD by QF. It was more NZ had overnighting aircraft in PER.

I would suspect QF doesn't have a huge amount of slack in its fleet, MEL-PER-JNB could be a good bet. Or BNE-PER-JNB. Wasn't a stat posted on hear that VA Interline's 80 pax a day ex-BNE onto SA?


I would say BNE-PER-JNB would work better over a MEL-PER-JNB, BNE also has a large population of South Africans (refer to figures posted a few days ago). There was no stat, just someone saying a particular flight had a lot flying to BNE from the JNB flight

waoz1 - there will be 3 swing gates so there should be room, I guess we will see what happens with the AKL flight as well. If QF timed it for a lunchtime departure ex PER there would be room.
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:34 am

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Can't Australian carriers only run 10 weekly flights to South Africa? Pretty sure it was the case, bilateral may have been updated?


No its 14 weekly flights in each direction to JNB, CPT or DUR. Other points in SA are unlimited frequency
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:06 am

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I also think QF entering PER-South Africa is a good idea since they can effectively take out the 744s currently on SYD-JNB and replace them with two 789 flights (or even A332s from Perth if they want to)

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Yes I think something like that would work well, SA has between 36J and 42J so I think a 236 seat 789 would fit in nicely

That's true, plus if they feel that they have too many C and too few Y they can always switch the PER flight to A332 to provide less C seats but more Y seats. It's only 11.5h flight westbound so should be good for A332 so long as they can sort out the ETOPS issue.

That also shows how flexible QF fleet has become, which IMHO is always a good sign as long as they're profitable.

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Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:59 am

I just looked at SYD-MEL for the first time in years and noticed that QF are during the weekday morning and evening peaks times running a flight every 15 minutes (and every 30 throughout the rest of the day).

I can't help but wonder if QF are going to pick up some more cheap F100s for WA (or even the Volotea 717s) and move some (more) 717s across to the east coast and use them on (some of) the peak 15 minute services between Sydney and Melbourne.
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:15 pm

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What about poor old BNE? All the talk has been about PER-LHR and the holy grail of SYD MEL to LHR. Will we ever be able to stand in LHR, look at the departure board and see...

1200 QF2. Sydney gate 31
1205 QF10 Melbourne gate 32
1205 QF6 Perth gate 33
1210 QF4 Brisbane gate 34

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BNE was mentioned in the Ausbt article ;) Would appear the editor forgot about Brissy Vegas in the subtitle :(
With plans to serve LHR direct from the East coast would surprise me ADL get a piece of that pie eventually if the numbers stack up.

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QF would need an extra slot pair at LHR for the 5 Aussie cities - they currently use 2, with other 2 being leased to BA IIRC. They can call in the 2 leased slot pairs, but getting an extra pair may be too expensive for QF to consider?

5 Aussie cities? Mate you're dreaming! Only reason PER is getting it is range restraints. Only SYD and MEL realistically can support it now. In the future BNE and PER will probably remain. That's 4 cities. You can totally forget CBR/ADL/CNS/DRW. The only reason DRW occasionally came up was as a potential hub for the rest of Australia when range was a bigger issue.
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:31 pm

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I also think QF entering PER-South Africa is a good idea since they can effectively take out the 744s currently on SYD-JNB and replace them with two 789 flights (or even A332s from Perth if they want to)


I can't see JNB being a priority for the 789s. I would like to see an A332 out of PER, maybe 3wk over the summer to begin with but would be dependent on CASA approval.

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I can't help but wonder if QF are going to pick up some more cheap F100s for WA (or even the Volotea 717s) and move some (more) 717s across to the east coast and use them on (some of) the peak 15 minute services between Sydney and Melbourne.


Why? They fly up to 7 flights an hour (including JQ and 1-2 A330s) because that's how many they need to fly to meet demand. If they weren't filling every flight then they would simply drop one.
 
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:56 pm

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I just looked at SYD-MEL for the first time in years and noticed that QF are during the weekday morning and evening peaks times running a flight every 15 minutes (and every 30 throughout the rest of the day).

I can't help but wonder if QF are going to pick up some more cheap F100s for WA (or even the Volotea 717s) and move some (more) 717s across to the east coast and use them on (some of) the peak 15 minute services between Sydney and Melbourne.


Qantas is already planning to move a couple more 717's over from PER to the East Coast, which will include them being reconfigured from all economy to 2 class. As a result QF will increase utilisation of the F100's. I don't think they need anymore at this stage and neither the 717 or F100 are easy to come by (I mean other frame that available to purchase)
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:11 pm

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What happened to EK415 today? Its a flight I normally track on flight radar but status today is "unknown"
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The inbound EK414 had a technical issue and as a result EK415 has been delayed overnight, departing Tuesday now

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Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:41 pm

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BNE was mentioned in the Ausbt article ;) Would appear the editor forgot about Brissy Vegas in the subtitle :(
With plans to serve LHR direct from the East coast would surprise me ADL get a piece of that pie eventually if the numbers stack up.

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QF would need an extra slot pair at LHR for the 5 Aussie cities - they currently use 2, with other 2 being leased to BA IIRC. They can call in the 2 leased slot pairs, but getting an extra pair may be too expensive for QF to consider?

5 Aussie cities? Mate you're dreaming! Only reason PER is getting it is range restraints. Only SYD and MEL realistically can support it now. In the future BNE and PER will probably remain. That's 4 cities. You can totally forget CBR/ADL/CNS/DRW. The only reason DRW occasionally came up was as a potential hub for the rest of Australia when range was a bigger issue.


I know PER was selected due to range capabilities & I did say "if" the numbers stack up.

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Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:38 pm

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I just looked at SYD-MEL for the first time in years and noticed that QF are during the weekday morning and evening peaks times running a flight every 15 minutes (and every 30 throughout the rest of the day).

I can't help but wonder if QF are going to pick up some more cheap F100s for WA (or even the Volotea 717s) and move some (more) 717s across to the east coast and use them on (some of) the peak 15 minute services between Sydney and Melbourne.


Why on earth would they? If they are flying every 15 minutes, some flights with A330s, it's because there is that much demand so why downgrade? If it wasn't profitable with that much capacity they'd go every 30 minutes, which is still more than enough frequency to be competitive.

Some more 717s are being moved to the East Coast, but the routes talked about are BNE-TSV, BNE-ADL, maybe SYD-ADL. Along with the CBR and HBA routes that have been 717s for several years now you will note that these were 734 routes. 717s will be appearing on BNE-SYD/MEL (but not SYD-MEL IIRC) but only on weekends.
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:29 pm

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I just looked at SYD-MEL for the first time in years and noticed that QF are during the weekday morning and evening peaks times running a flight every 15 minutes (and every 30 throughout the rest of the day).

I can't help but wonder if QF are going to pick up some more cheap F100s for WA (or even the Volotea 717s) and move some (more) 717s across to the east coast and use them on (some of) the peak 15 minute services between Sydney and Melbourne.


Why on earth would they? If they are flying every 15 minutes, some flights with A330s, it's because there is that much demand so why downgrade? If it wasn't profitable with that much capacity they'd go every 30 minutes, which is still more than enough frequency to be competitive.

Some more 717s are being moved to the East Coast, but the routes talked about are BNE-TSV, BNE-ADL, maybe SYD-ADL. Along with the CBR and HBA routes that have been 717s for several years now you will note that these were 734 routes. 717s will be appearing on BNE-SYD/MEL (but not SYD-MEL IIRC) but only on weekends.


Why? Because with an every 15 minute frequency it's a turn up and fly service for those in the higher fare buckets (and to encourage people to buy the higher fare buckets). The 717 - whilst dropping some seats - will no doubt be cheaper to run on SYD-MEL than a 737.

I had a look at the 717 on weekends - there were a couple on SYD-BNE on Sundays and just the 6am SYD-MEL on Sunday.
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Why on earth would they? If they are flying every 15 minutes, some flights with A330s, it's because there is that much demand so why downgrade? If it wasn't profitable with that much capacity they'd go every 30 minutes, which is still more than enough frequency to be competitive.

Some more 717s are being moved to the East Coast, but the routes talked about are BNE-TSV, BNE-ADL, maybe SYD-ADL. Along with the CBR and HBA routes that have been 717s for several years now you will note that these were 734 routes. 717s will be appearing on BNE-SYD/MEL (but not SYD-MEL IIRC) but only on weekends.


Why? Because with an every 15 minute frequency it's a turn up and fly service for those in the higher fare buckets (and to encourage people to buy the higher fare buckets). The 717 - whilst dropping some seats - will no doubt be cheaper to run on SYD-MEL than a 737.

I had a look at the 717 on weekends - there were a couple on SYD-BNE on Sundays and just the 6am SYD-MEL on Sunday.

You can't increase the frequency further to make it, say, every 5 minutes. There's no infrastructure, no airspace (on an already busy route), no slots at Sydney (esp. morning peak), no gates, etc. Also, it's not like QF can't fill seats with the 15-min frequency. Remember they're flown by 737 which can carry 162 in Y, almost doubling the amount (95) on 717, and it's not like they can't fill the aircraft - they can, with their already high fares compared to others. And I haven't mixed the A330 flights into the formula, which we often have 6+ flights by the widebody in morning peak.

Yes 717 would be a bit cheaper to operate, but you also lose almost half of the revenue that you can generate. You make it like QF just wanted to throw the money into the bin. 717 would make more sense on quieter weekends, but for the already busy weekday services, no 737 and A330 would be enough to do the job.

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Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:21 pm

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I just looked at SYD-MEL for the first time in years and noticed that QF are during the weekday morning and evening peaks times running a flight every 15 minutes (and every 30 throughout the rest of the day).

I can't help but wonder if QF are going to pick up some more cheap F100s for WA (or even the Volotea 717s) and move some (more) 717s across to the east coast and use them on (some of) the peak 15 minute services between Sydney and Melbourne.


Why on earth would they? If they are flying every 15 minutes, some flights with A330s, it's because there is that much demand so why downgrade? If it wasn't profitable with that much capacity they'd go every 30 minutes, which is still more than enough frequency to be competitive.

Some more 717s are being moved to the East Coast, but the routes talked about are BNE-TSV, BNE-ADL, maybe SYD-ADL. Along with the CBR and HBA routes that have been 717s for several years now you will note that these were 734 routes. 717s will be appearing on BNE-SYD/MEL (but not SYD-MEL IIRC) but only on weekends.


Why? Because with an every 15 minute frequency it's a turn up and fly service for those in the higher fare buckets (and to encourage people to buy the higher fare buckets). The 717 - whilst dropping some seats - will no doubt be cheaper to run on SYD-MEL than a 737.

I had a look at the 717 on weekends - there were a couple on SYD-BNE on Sundays and just the 6am SYD-MEL on Sunday.


6am Sunday is probably the only time it makes sense to fly a 717. But it does not necessarily mean its cheaper to operate and if you believe the Mayor of Townsville today, a downgrade in service. She basically called people to boycott QF because they fly 717s from TSV. While I disagree with the Mayor (I find the 717s quite comfortable), QF would never downgrade a service on such a high trafficked route, especially from a J perspective. It can already reduce capacity by removing 332s from SYD-MEL if they wanted to.

Furthermore, the cost per a seat of a full pax load of 737s as opposed to a 717 are lower for the 737. As QF have enough demand to fill 70-80% of seats outside 6am Sunday, it would be counterproductive to put more 717s on these services, which are already stretched. You also need to consider things like cargo.
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:48 am

Qantas has loaded domestic 787 flights (MEL-PER and MEL-SYD) to be operated from the 6th of November.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... vdec-2017/
 
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Qantas has loaded domestic 787 flights (MEL-PER and MEL-SYD) to be operated from the 6th of November.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... vdec-2017/


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Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:16 am

In line with QF resuming seasonal SYD-KIX they will also codeshares from KIX with Jetstar Japan as well

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I agree that a full 737 is cheaper on a per seat basis to operate than a full 717. But full planes is not the be all and end all of everything - a full 717 can (particularly on a 50-60 minute flight time) have a higher return on capital employed than a full 738 (and return on capital employed is kind of my point). Yes I agree that the 737 and on some flights A330 is the best aircraft for the SYD-MEL route - but if QF are operating it at a 15 minute interval on weekdays then they are doing it as a turn up and fly service (particularly in light of the slot and infrastructure restrictions tangentially alluded to above) and I'm sure that someone has run the numbers on whether it would be more profitable to throw a couple of 717s into the mix.
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:12 am

In a few hours VH-ZNA will be moved from 40-51 apron to fuel dock

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Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:15 am

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Qantas has loaded domestic 787 flights (MEL-PER and MEL-SYD) to be operated from the 6th of November.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... vdec-2017/


So the first 787 flight looks to be QF439 on the 6th November, correct?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:21 am

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Qantas has loaded domestic 787 flights (MEL-PER and MEL-SYD) to be operated from the 6th of November.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... vdec-2017/


So the first 787 flight looks to be QF439 on the 6th November, correct?


No its QF775 MEL-PER
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:32 am

So far QF 789 domestic schedule is as follows

Mondays-Fridays
QF775 MEL710-820PER
QF772 PER1000-1635MEL
QF460 MEL1830-1955SYD
QF497 SYD2200-2335MEL
Daily Utilisation 10hrs45mins

Saturdays - schedule listed is not possible with one frame as per below
QF442 MEL1500-1625SYD
QF439 SYD1400-1535MEL

Sundays
QF769 MEL1305-1415PER
QF776 PER1715-2350MEL
Daily utilisation 7hrs45mins
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:03 am

Qantas announced this afternoon that 4 of its B789s will be based in BNE. No specific route announcements accompanied this info, but there was a strong hint at LAX ('787s replacing 747s') and some new routes.

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media- ... -brisbane/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:11 am

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Qantas announced this afternoon that 4 of its B789s will be based in BNE. No specific route announcements accompanied this info, but there was a strong hint at LAX ('787s replacing 747s') and some new routes.

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media- ... -brisbane/


This confirms what has previously been speculated about frames 5-8 being BNE based. It will be interesting to see if they announce the routes that have previously been speculated, Either BNE-LAX OR BNE-DFW along with BNE-PER-CDG
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:15 am

My guess for the 4 BNE based B789s:

The first 2: BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-BNE will switch from B744 to B789, this will also enable aircraft rotation on the return through LAX with the MEL based B789s (QF96)

The second 2: BNE-DFW-BNE, this will pick up some of the capacity short fall by the replacement of the B744 on the LAX run.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:41 am

REX announces statutory net profit after tax of $12.62 million

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:46 am

qf789 wrote:
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Qantas has loaded domestic 787 flights (MEL-PER and MEL-SYD) to be operated from the 6th of November.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... vdec-2017/


According to routeonline premium economy will sold as economy


Would have through there was an market between MEL-PER that would purchase PE? Would have made VA's 738 J product look rather poor.

It always seem pretty packed on NZ between AKL-MEL which is an similar flight length.

Does this mean that if you fly MEL-PER-LHR in PE you will only get Y soft product between MEL & PER?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:50 am

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My guess for the 4 BNE based B789s:

The first 2: BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-BNE will switch from B744 to B789, this will also enable aircraft rotation on the return through LAX with the MEL based B789s (QF96)

The second 2: BNE-DFW-BNE, this will pick up some of the capacity short fall by the replacement of the B744 on the LAX run.


From what I understand the BNE based 789s will be in a different config (more Y and W heavy) to the premium heavy MEL based 789s, effectively giving QF 2 subfleets.

I do agree the routes are likely BNE-LAX-JFK and BNE-DFW, allowing QF to retire 2 more of the older 744s.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:07 am

^ I've long thought BNE would make a sweet QF hub, for traffic to the north and north east. QF responding to the BNE owners' more realistic management of their asset IMO, compared to other east coast airports.

This might be a taste of what comes when the A380 are eventually retired perhaps? SYD - USA direct, MEL - USA direct, encourage connections thru BNE.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:26 am

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From what I understand the BNE based 789s will be in a different config (more Y and W heavy) to the premium heavy MEL based 789s, effectively giving QF 2 subfleets.


Would be a bit surprising if true given QF's obsession with simplification/flexibility.

Seems like CDG is off the table for now, interesting that they specifically mention ORD as being within range from BNE, could be an option to get into that market in the short-term like they did with DFW initially.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:38 am

sq256 wrote:
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My guess for the 4 BNE based B789s:

The first 2: BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-BNE will switch from B744 to B789, this will also enable aircraft rotation on the return through LAX with the MEL based B789s (QF96)

The second 2: BNE-DFW-BNE, this will pick up some of the capacity short fall by the replacement of the B744 on the LAX run.


From what I understand the BNE based 789s will be in a different config (more Y and W heavy) to the premium heavy MEL based 789s, effectively giving QF 2 subfleets.

I do agree the routes are likely BNE-LAX-JFK and BNE-DFW, allowing QF to retire 2 more of the older 744s.


I doubt this will happen and QF know that having various configures create complexity.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:50 am

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My guess for the 4 BNE based B789s:

The first 2: BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-BNE will switch from B744 to B789, this will also enable aircraft rotation on the return through LAX with the MEL based B789s (QF96)

The second 2: BNE-DFW-BNE, this will pick up some of the capacity short fall by the replacement of the B744 on the LAX run.


Whilst I would have loved to see the CDG option three days a week, I think this makes the most sense. As a left of field option maybe ORD as opposed to DFW, but not too sure. I do hope we see PER grow as a hub in next five years; FRA, CDG,JNB but I feel LHR experiment needs to prove itself first

I do feel a leisure config is unlikely in such a small fleet. But I do hope come the first delivery or early next year we see QF place a top up for 4-8 additional frames, perhaps in a leisure config based out of SYD- YVR,SFO,ORD daily?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:54 am

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sq256 wrote:
vhebb wrote:
My guess for the 4 BNE based B789s:

The first 2: BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-BNE will switch from B744 to B789, this will also enable aircraft rotation on the return through LAX with the MEL based B789s (QF96)

The second 2: BNE-DFW-BNE, this will pick up some of the capacity short fall by the replacement of the B744 on the LAX run.


From what I understand the BNE based 789s will be in a different config (more Y and W heavy) to the premium heavy MEL based 789s, effectively giving QF 2 subfleets.

I do agree the routes are likely BNE-LAX-JFK and BNE-DFW, allowing QF to retire 2 more of the older 744s.


I doubt this will happen and QF know that having various configures create complexity.

EK413


QF also knows that having the wrong config for a market will not be beneficial either though. It's about getting the balance right as one size won't fit all missions.

The premium heavy config on the first 4 MEL based fleet is due to range and market considerations. Removing the A380 MEL-DXB-LHR flight and replacing with a 789 MEL-PER-LHR does put a dent in the amount of capacity on offer, but the most important part is ensuring that the plane can reliably do PER-LHR. Having a premium heavy config helps achieve its goals.

The original talk of BNE-PER-CDG does complicate things though if they did plan different configs. It would also need the range on the PER-CDG sector.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:28 am

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sq256 wrote:

From what I understand the BNE based 789s will be in a different config (more Y and W heavy) to the premium heavy MEL based 789s, effectively giving QF 2 subfleets.

I do agree the routes are likely BNE-LAX-JFK and BNE-DFW, allowing QF to retire 2 more of the older 744s.


I doubt this will happen and QF know that having various configures create complexity.

EK413


QF also knows that having the wrong config for a market will not be beneficial either though. It's about getting the balance right as one size won't fit all missions.

The premium heavy config on the first 4 MEL based fleet is due to range and market considerations. Removing the A380 MEL-DXB-LHR flight and replacing with a 789 MEL-PER-LHR does put a dent in the amount of capacity on offer, but the most important part is ensuring that the plane can reliably do PER-LHR. Having a premium heavy config helps achieve its goals.

The original talk of BNE-PER-CDG does complicate things though if they did plan different configs. It would also need the range on the PER-CDG sector.


From memory the introduction of "Kangaroo" and "Pacific" configures wasn't successful. The variety added complexity when 1 aircraft went tech with over sales etc.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:52 am

I Very much doubt a seperate configuration for the BNE 789's. Maybe BNE-LAX 9 weekly with daily to JFK, and 4 weekly BNE-DFW?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:56 am

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From what I understand the BNE based 789s will be in a different config (more Y and W heavy) to the premium heavy MEL based 789s, effectively giving QF 2 subfleets.


Would be a bit surprising if true given QF's obsession with simplification/flexibility.

Seems like CDG is off the table for now, interesting that they specifically mention ORD as being within range from BNE, could be an option to get into that market in the short-term like they did with DFW initially.


Considering over the past 3 years Qantas has worked hard on reducing the number of configurations on both the 744 and A332 I agree with you. Operating 8 789's for now with 2 configurations would not be flexible either.

In regards to where they intend sending those 4 frames I don't think anything can be ruled out at this stage. In the QF press release it did say the 789 was capable of flying non-stop to the mentioned destinations, whether they fly to them is obviously a different matter.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:15 am

I have just read that BNE CEO Julieanne Alroe stating that the QF 789s would allow an increase of up 70,000 seats per year on the BNE-USA route (in general, not LAX in particular).

So, assuming the current 744 config of 364 seats per day = 2548 per week (132860 per year)
Extra 70000 seats per year = 1346 per week

The 789 config for the 4x BNE based 789s would have to be around 278 seats per aircraft in a J/W/Y configuration to maintain the current seat count plus take in consideration the 'announced' extra '70,000' seats at 14x weekly.

Which would still mean a different config to maintain capacity on the BNE-USA market in general (although it's less seats on the BNE-LAX route overall, but gains made elsewhere on another route, e.g. DFW).

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