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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:24 pm

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Onur Air Airbus A330-300 TC-OCB is stored at Antalya being parted out and eventually Being scrapped. Source http://www.goklerdeyiz.net/tc-ocb-parcalanmaya-basladi/ Text is in Turkish.


Interesting aviation site.
I found there news that Corendon and Sun Express are leasing Aircraft to meet the demand to Europe.

Seems either be wetleasing or ad-hoc charters?

Corendon:
A345 CS-TFX
A343 9H-TQM
B757 EC-HDS

Sun Express:
B767 EC-LZO


All have been ended. CS-TFX and 9H-TQM was 1-2 weeks, 9H-JAI, EC-HDS and for few days, EC-LZO just 2 days.


Thank you for the update Yakamoz.

Do you know of more leasings?
I wonder how the Airlines will meet the demand for the next weeks when Holidays starts and ongoing Hajj flights.

Fares indicating a massive demand.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:58 pm

Tkfan,
Just posted my TR; IST-DLM where you can see some pictures of the DLM construction. Enjoy.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:07 pm

Someone earlier mentioned the new safety cards on TK. I was able to notice this one yesterday on a 738:

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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:47 pm

Tkfan wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
Tkfan wrote:

Interesting aviation site.
I found there news that Corendon and Sun Express are leasing Aircraft to meet the demand to Europe.

Seems either be wetleasing or ad-hoc charters?

Corendon:
A345 CS-TFX
A343 9H-TQM
B757 EC-HDS

Sun Express:
B767 EC-LZO


All have been ended. CS-TFX and 9H-TQM was 1-2 weeks, 9H-JAI, EC-HDS and for few days, EC-LZO just 2 days.


Thank you for the update Yakamoz.

Do you know of more leasings?
I wonder how the Airlines will meet the demand for the next weeks when Holidays starts and ongoing Hajj flights.

Fares indicating a massive demand.


Well Corendon is searching all weeks for some planes because ASK increased rapidly in short time. They wet-leased 2 own birds (India and Czech) to others. Also Corendon Dutch. They have 2-3 birds on wet-lease for longer time.

Other carrier are not searching.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:11 pm

Air Cargo World has a round up of top 50 cargo airlines in the world.

Based on tonnage carried, TK in 2016 was the 22nd largest carrier with a 30% growth rate.
TK in 2016 carried more cargo than airlines like United, AA, Delta, JAL, and even carriers like EVA that have large cargo divisions.
Per Turhan Ozen the VP of cargo, TK expect to grow its freighter fleet by 4 aircraft in the coming 2 years. We know, 2 are the 77F, I wonder what the other 2 are?
Also as part of its 2017 first half release, it was noted cargo tonnage grew 26.1%, which will obviously push TK cargo standing even further up in the global rankings.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:13 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Air Cargo World has a round up of top 50 cargo airlines in the world.

Based on tonnage carried, TK in 2016 was the 22nd largest carrier with a 30% growth rate.
TK in 2016 carried more cargo than airlines like United, AA, Delta, JAL, and even carriers like EVA that have large cargo divisions.
Per Turhan Ozen the VP of cargo, TK expect to grow its freighter fleet by 4 aircraft in the coming 2 years. We know, 2 are the 77F, I wonder what the other 2 are?
Also as part of its 2017 first half release, it was noted cargo tonnage grew 26.1%, which will obviously push TK cargo standing even further up in the global rankings.


Yakamoz wrote:
....

These days there is a rumor TK will order 2 more B77F.

.....


We can assume its not a rumor anymore?? :D

I read its a worldwide trend. Most Cargo operators report positive developements so far :thumbsup:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:19 pm

4 B77F it should be. But no confirmation by TK or Boeing until now.

However, these 4 birds will replace 3 A310F of ULS, 1 A300 by MNG and 2 B74F.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:25 pm

We cant presume additional 2 cargo aircraft are new 777F. They might just be additional leased frames from other parties, or who knows maybe even additional A330F.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:40 pm

Yeah who knows what he means. Could indeed simply be additional leased aircraft, or it could mean additional new A330 or B777 freighters.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:48 pm

Istanbul Basaksehir will return from Sevilla over night with TK B738 TC-JGS after failing to qualify for the Champions League:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... 22-23.html
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:17 am

Yakamoz wrote:
4 B77F it should be. But no confirmation by TK or Boeing until now.

However, these 4 birds will replace 3 A310F of ULS, 1 A300 by MNG and 2 B74F.


Do the capacity of 4 77F's make up for 6 aircraft of different sizes or is there going to be a reduction in capacity?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:02 am

Well some top managers has received an email that it will be 2 more new B77F, I have been told by an insider. But let's wait.
First B77F should arrive end of October or in November.


aldrigsomandre wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
4 B77F it should be. But no confirmation by TK or Boeing until now.

However, these 4 birds will replace 3 A310F of ULS, 1 A300 by MNG and 2 B74F.


Do the capacity of 4 77F's make up for 6 aircraft of different sizes or is there going to be a reduction in capacity?


Well the deal with ULS is very good, maybe it will continue. It is, I have no technical details, an increase in capacity. Also better for staff to work with newer birds.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:47 am

Yakamoz wrote:
Well some top managers has received an email that it will be 2 more new B77F, I have been told by an insider. But let's wait.
First B77F should arrive end of October or in November.


aldrigsomandre wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
4 B77F it should be. But no confirmation by TK or Boeing until now.

However, these 4 birds will replace 3 A310F of ULS, 1 A300 by MNG and 2 B74F.


Do the capacity of 4 77F's make up for 6 aircraft of different sizes or is there going to be a reduction in capacity?


Well the deal with ULS is very good, maybe it will continue. It is, I have no technical details, an increase in capacity. Also better for staff to work with newer birds.

What happened with TKs own A310F??
And where is the second B747F from. So far I only know one from Kalitta.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:17 am

In regards to cargo as LAXintl has mentioned above here is a little more info https://theloadstar.co.uk/wp-content/up ... -Cargo.pdf
So the Chinese market is helping the growth.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:14 am

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In regards to cargo as LAXintl has mentioned above here is a little more info https://theloadstar.co.uk/wp-content/up ... -Cargo.pdf
So the Chinese market is helping the growth.


Yes indeed, the Chinese market is one of the fastest growing markets for years and always grew above average.
In total Turkish Cargo grew 35.5% in Far East. Other above average grewing markets were N.America +34.9% and Europe +28.8%
http://investor.turkishairlines.com/doc ... RAFFIC.pdf
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:00 am

Tkfan wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
Well some top managers has received an email that it will be 2 more new B77F, I have been told by an insider. But let's wait.
First B77F should arrive end of October or in November.


aldrigsomandre wrote:

Do the capacity of 4 77F's make up for 6 aircraft of different sizes or is there going to be a reduction in capacity?


Well the deal with ULS is very good, maybe it will continue. It is, I have no technical details, an increase in capacity. Also better for staff to work with newer birds.

What happened with TKs own A310F??
And where is the second B747F from. So far I only know one from Kalitta.


Own A310F: withdrawn from use in 2015, 2 maybe still stored in Istanbul.
Second 74F is the first which has arrived, the Atlas Air B74F N412MC.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:24 am

TK to get another VIP; this time 8 pax capacity A318 , Wow!!!
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacilik-h ... liyor.html
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:07 pm

TK787 wrote:
TK to get another VIP; this time 8 pax capacity A318 , Wow!!!
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacilik-h ... liyor.html


Now that they have almost 10 A/C, they can soon start scheduled service?? Including IST-SYD :lol:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:25 pm

Tkfan wrote:
TK787 wrote:
TK to get another VIP; this time 8 pax capacity A318 , Wow!!!
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacilik-h ... liyor.html


Now that they have almost 10 A/C, they can soon start scheduled service?? Including IST-SYD :lol:

It makes no sense. Capacity: 8 pax A318. Why???
TK could have got this frame for free as a bonus, if they've ordered a bunch of 350s :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:59 pm

TK787 wrote:
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It makes no sense. Capacity: 8 pax A318. Why???
TK could have got this frame for free as a bonus, if they've ordered a bunch of 350s :)


Actually this was my first thought when I read the news. There is no need for a VIP A318 only if.....

Well I was expecting an Airbus order, and now that the new WB sales softened recently, TK might got a nice offer ;)

Tkfan wrote:
..... A350 and B787 are still in evaluation (now for over ten years ;) ).
Looking at their fleetplan, this time it looks like its imminent, with deliveries starting 2019.
For the time being A380 and B748i are out of question.

My personal opinion is, that this time it will be more a political decision than ever. Though A350/A330neo might be the winner.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:43 pm

Latest insider news I got;
TC-ANA; first VIP plane A319, is due for major overhaul/check and is getting old. This new (priced below market rate) A318 will replace it and the new plane might get a retrofit inside. As far as I understand, this A318 is not a brand new plane, not a whole lot of them around. If it is a typo and it is in fact a A319, there are many candidates, but if in fact a A318 there are only 20 made for Business Jets. Maybe TK is getting this from another state ( like Jordan has one) or from a private institution.
With the president taking both 332 and 345 together on his trips, the rest of the government hast to do with A319s and Business Jets.
And, IIRC, they also use a TAF Cargo jet to transport armored VIP cars, just like Mr. Trump.
Whatever the case, with this addition, Turkish VIP fleet will be similar in numbers to Germany's VIP fleet.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:47 pm

Check the Video in the given link, below...

It's my first time to see the Business Cabin (40 pax) of one of the seven ex-Skymark a333s. No fully-flat seats, just the limited recliners usually seen the in short to medium haul flights. Practically the same found on new TK a321s & b738s. Also like the J seats found on QR's 320/321 fleet... Obviously not very impressive seats for a business fare payer for a 4 hr. long flight! And neither looks satisfactory, the LF on that particular flight which seems to be a morning-time DXB-IST one... (unless it's a Friday morning one) :?

http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 19#5993119
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:56 pm

mafaky wrote:
Check the Video in the given link, below...

Obviously not very impressive seats for a business fare payer for a 4 hr. long flight!


Most of the European 4 hour flights I do I would love those seats :lol: Sadly we have the middle seat free concept.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:17 pm

Considering the Skymark A330s will never go very far, this product on board looks very nice and matches well with the narrowbody 2 x 2 seat premium product.
This should allow TK to better free up the rest of the A330 fleet for actual longhaul missions and not as many short hops.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:27 pm

mafaky wrote:
Check the Video in the given link, below...

It's my first time to see the Business Cabin (40 pax) of one of the seven ex-Skymark a333s. No fully-flat seats, just the limited recliners usually seen the in short to medium haul flights. Practically the same found on new TK a321s & b738s. Also like the J seats found on QR's 320/321 fleet... Obviously not very impressive seats for a business fare payer for a 4 hr. long flight! And neither looks satisfactory, the LF on that particular flight which seems to be a morning-time DXB-IST one... (unless it's a Friday morning one) :?

http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 19#5993119


Thank you for the great video. :cheerful:
I was also curious to see the seats.

Just today I thought what a brilliant idea it was to lease those ex-Skymark A333 and configure it with Regional Seats. They are really handy for European and Mideastern Trunk routes.

I wonder if they are going to reconfigure some of their own A333 into Regional versions.
Seeing those B77W abused on short domestic hops would justify it.

OA260 wrote:
mafaky wrote:
Check the Video in the given link, below...

Obviously not very impressive seats for a business fare payer for a 4 hr. long flight!


Most of the European 4 hour flights I do I would love those seats :lol: Sadly we have the middle seat free concept.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Totally agree!!
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:32 pm

TK787 wrote:
Latest insider news I got;
TC-ANA; first VIP plane A319, is due for major overhaul/check and is getting old. This new (priced below market rate) A318 will replace it and the new plane might get a retrofit inside. As far as I understand, this A318 is not a brand new plane, not a whole lot of them around. If it is a typo and it is in fact a A319, there are many candidates, but if in fact a A318 there are only 20 made for Business Jets. Maybe TK is getting this from another state ( like Jordan has one) or from a private institution.
With the president taking both 332 and 345 together on his trips, the rest of the government hast to do with A319s and Business Jets.
And, IIRC, they also use a TAF Cargo jet to transport armored VIP cars, just like Mr. Trump.
Whatever the case, with this addition, Turkish VIP fleet will be similar in numbers to Germany's VIP fleet.


Thank you for the update.
I read also that one or two Gulfstream will be sold too. If I remember correctly they were bought in Özal era, though pretty old.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:37 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Considering the Skymark A330s will never go very far, this product on board looks very nice and matches well with the narrowbody 2 x 2 seat premium product.
This should allow TK to better free up the rest of the A330 fleet for actual longhaul missions and not as many short hops.


Excactly my thoughts.

I wonder how these differ from Airbus own offered A330R.
Also if there will be a regional version of A330neo.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:01 pm

I agree that the cabins on the A330s from Skymark are well suited for their missions. There is no justification to offer fancy sleeper seats on regional hops. I think these aircraft will do very well domestically and on routes to Europe & ME.
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:54 am

And, IIRC, they also use a TAF Cargo jet to transport armored VIP cars, just like Mr. Trump.
Whatever the case, with this addition, Turkish VIP fleet will be similar in numbers to Germany's VIP fleet.


Just a small correction: TAF has no "cargo jets" like the C-141, C-5 or the C-17. Those armoured cars are being ferried aboard TAF's newbees: the A-400M Atlas multipurpose military freighters. (For those who may be interested in the past and present day status of A-400M, there's a dedicated topic here...)

Regarding your last comments about Germany's VIP: afaik, they newer had a brand new a332 VIP to enter the fleet (let alone anything that stood on the tarmac for at least 2 years for interior fitting!). Neither they had an almost brand new VIP plane like the a345, which can fly rather long distances non-stop from Ankara, wit full payloads! That payload capacity is top important for homecoming (inbound) flights as the number and the weight of baggages do increase by 50%, at the least. But, if and when the time comes, that payload capacity may be most welcomed, if you're flying your last one-way route!... :lol:

But I guess you have a point: we (as Turkey) have no longer need to envy the Germans regarding the VIP fleet.
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:06 am

Just today I thought what a brilliant idea it was to lease those ex-Skymark A333 and configure it with Regional Seats. They are really handy for European and Mideastern Trunk routes.

I wonder if they are going to reconfigure some of their own A333 into Regional versions.
Seeing those B77W abused on short domestic hops would justify it.


Just another small correction: Those ex-Skymark 333s had an all Premium Economy cabin in 2-3-2 configuration; a rather unique choice by the operator for their Regional international routes (from Haneda Japan to Korea, Taiwan, etc.) and possibly for dense domestic ones. All seven frames were modified in Zurich (at SR Technics) for TK, incorporating the 40J business cabin. The expenses were made by the lessor, not by TK. I don't know the maker of these J seats, but it's also pretty clear that the Y seats didn't come from TSI. Also don't know what really happened to the old PE seats left from the Skymark era (7 x 171, IIRC...)

And yes, these 7 frames cannot really fly long, transoceanic routes as they are not equipped with cabin crew and/or cockpit crew rest areas. Maybe, individually, they may not even be ETOPS certified.

Totally agree with you that the 77Ws are being abused (especially during summer timetable) with those max. 1 hr. domestic flights. Probably the point is to maximise the utilisation rate on the B77W fleet!

But I don't think TK will ever modify their own financially leased 333s to this kind of cabin configuration. ASAP, I'll do a check on where these ex-Skymark 333s are mostly flying to...
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:52 am

mafaky wrote:
The expenses were made by the lessor, not by TK.


Wow, that must've been a killer deal for TK! Basically getting aircraft thrown at you during the worst financial results in so and so many years last year.

I think it's interesting that they use these ex-Skymark a/c on IST-DXB though as I imagine it to be a very high premium route with a lot of corporate contracts. I know quite a few people from Turkey who have been living in Dubai for a few years and are very well off.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:59 am

How are Turkish airports and airlines doing these days? It's "bayram", no? I always had fond memories of bayrams when I lived in Turkey.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:06 am

aldrigsomandre wrote:
How are Turkish airports and airlines doing these days? It's "bayram", no? I always had fond memories of bayrams when I lived in Turkey.

I think the news said, yesterday "Friday", IST had 1495 flights with over 202,000 pax, AYT had 793 flights with 131,000 pax.
It is an exodus :)
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:56 am

TK787 wrote:
aldrigsomandre wrote:
How are Turkish airports and airlines doing these days? It's "bayram", no? I always had fond memories of bayrams when I lived in Turkey.

I think the news said, yesterday "Friday", IST had 1495 flights with over 202,000 pax, AYT had 793 flights with 131,000 pax.
It is an exodus :)


I dont know if these are records for the respective Airports, but TK sets its own records yesterday with 1545 flights carrying over 245.000 passengers.

Throughout 'Bayram' TK planned additional 196 flights. Pegasus also almost 200 additional, Onurair too but no numbers given.

So far yesterday it was indeed like an exodus in IST, but it seems the Airport handled it well without major delyas.
Fingers crossed the situation remains the next 10 days :crossfingers:
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:33 pm

mafaky wrote:
Check the Video in the given link, below...

It's my first time to see the Business Cabin (40 pax) of one of the seven ex-Skymark a333s. No fully-flat seats, just the limited recliners usually seen the in short to medium haul flights. Practically the same found on new TK a321s & b738s. Also like the J seats found on QR's 320/321 fleet... Obviously not very impressive seats for a business fare payer for a 4 hr. long flight! And neither looks satisfactory, the LF on that particular flight which seems to be a morning-time DXB-IST one... (unless it's a Friday morning one) :?

http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 19#5993119


Nice video, thanks for posting. By any chance, could those seats be the ones used as Comfort Class seats on the 77W fleet? Just reupholstered ??
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:20 pm

Nice video, thanks for posting. By any chance, could those seats be the ones used as Comfort Class seats on the 77W fleet? Just reupholstered ??


Mmmm. Might be but I really don't think so. They don't look remotely similar to me... But, I will try to check out from some insider, if possible... :confused:
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:31 pm

Turkish Airlines inroduces baby packs on flights http://www.arabnews.com/node/1150671/corporate-news
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:59 am

Flew SAW-BAH arriving early this morning on TK 0750 (additional frequency on top of the daily Ataturk to Bahrain flight) as part of a Barcelona to Bahrain connection that I make every summer.

This was a huge mistake that I regret. The aircraft was supposed to have been a single class, all-economy 737-800. Without explanation, the aircraft was changed to an old A320 with no PTV!! That's right , TK lept backwards to the era of no PTV from more than a decade and a half ago with ancient roll down screens. Of course there was no movie or any useful entertainment. Only the earphones to listen to 10 preprogrammed audio channels for a 4 hour flight. This whole experience truly moved me back to the late 1990s when flying was sitting and staring forward while bored.

In Sabiha Gokcen airport, I thought I could check out the TK lounge. Well it's nothing like the award winning CIP lounge at Ataturk Airport: small salad bar, a Turkish pizza tray that's always empty because not enough are cooked and that's pretty much it. It was also trashed with salad on the floor and not enough people cleaning.

The overall experience of trying a connection through Sabiha gave off the inpression that TK there is a different, lower quality product that in no way is in line with TK 's modern global product and image.

Big disappointment. I shall never fly through Sabiha again. Of course my Pegasus experience years ago was horrible so with TK failing here also I shall certainly avoid Sabiha next time.

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Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:44 am

I always say, SAW is the worst airport in Turkey - for local traffic as well as connecting transfers. Everything is overcrowded and below standard. I would rather prefer a connection in lets say ESB or ADB than SAW.
 
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Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:36 am

Today it is on the news that 3rd runway of ESB will be ready by end of the year. It is said that this new runway would support A380 or similar large cargo plane (which is more important for ESB) operations. It is also said that TRJET factory will be located next to this new runway.

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Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:21 pm

AsoRock wrote:
Flew SAW-BAH arriving early this morning on TK 0750 (additional frequency on top of the daily Ataturk to Bahrain flight) as part of a Barcelona to Bahrain connection that I make every summer.

This was a huge mistake that I regret. The aircraft was supposed to have been a single class, all-economy 737-800. Without explanation, the aircraft was changed to an old A320 with no PTV!! That's right , TK lept backwards to the era of no PTV from more than a decade and a half ago with ancient roll down screens. Of course there was no movie or any useful entertainment. Only the earphones to listen to 10 preprogrammed audio channels for a 4 hour flight. This whole experience truly moved me back to the late 1990s when flying was sitting and staring forward while bored.

In Sabiha Gokcen airport, I thought I could check out the TK lounge. Well it's nothing like the award winning CIP lounge at Ataturk Airport: small salad bar, a Turkish pizza tray that's always empty because not enough are cooked and that's pretty much it. It was also trashed with salad on the floor and not enough people cleaning.

The overall experience of trying a connection through Sabiha gave off the inpression that TK there is a different, lower quality product that in no way is in line with TK 's modern global product and image.

Big disappointment. I shall never fly through Sabiha again. Of course my Pegasus experience years ago was horrible so with TK failing here also I shall certainly avoid Sabiha next time.

Cheers

Sam

Interesting observations, and indeed very true that SAW is not the best place/experience for transfers. It is attracting these PAX only by fares.

Last year I tried it the first time, as I never tried SAW before. Flew TZX-SAW-FRA with Turkish Airlines. First leg was an Anadolujet flight second TKs own B738. Both were operated with old planes, not the premium product like at IST.
Thankfully I didnt expect much so I was positive surprised by the catering. My only complaint were the delays on both, arrival and depature, had not much time to explore SAW.
But as Stylo777 once said, comparable to "Esenler Otogar" :lol:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:40 pm

Today's New York Times, front page:
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A little late for this year, probably too early for next year.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:47 pm

Any update about QR 787 wet lease ? I heard from an insider deal already sealed and will start in october but did not heard anything since.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:33 am

If anybody is interested, here is the latest Turkish Carrier's Detailed Fleet List by me.

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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:46 am

Flightguy123 wrote:
What I really would love to see is a return of the US Airlines to IST. DL272/273 was a suspension in 2016, hopefully to return soon if these numbers are coming back up!


Not in near future. Turkey is still considered high risk country by State Department. Besides that, the competition is pretty tough. It's TK's success vs. US airline's wrong moves. (Remember UA schedules?)

I'd like to see some European airlines to return to IST. Swiss, SAS, Iberia, etc. Some I'd like to see them to increase their service back to the level they were before 2016 , such as LH, KL, etc.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 am

TK787 wrote:
A little late for this year, probably too early for next year.


Actually very common. Most Travel Companies start sales approximately one year in advance, with early-booking-prices. Comparable with advanced/forward booking at Airlines.
Most German travel Agencies have increased their offerings to Turkey by 10-20% for 2018 Season. It helps checking the travel trends for the comming season. Definite Capacity allocations are made at the big tourism fairs (ITB Berlin, MITT Moscow, WTM London, Utrecht etc.)
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:52 am

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KLM will reduce AMS-IST as of September 4th. Flights will be reduced to 1 daily after this date.


KLM does this every winter. I remember as early as 1993 flying AMS-IST on KLM with 13 hr layover after my flight from Boston on Northwest.

It is amazing that at the time KLM used to serve the route with 737 Classics and TK used to run the same equipment or even DC9. These days we have Onur and Atlas running A320s and Turkish running widebodies on that route.
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:12 am

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If anybody is interested, here is the latest Turkish Carrier's Detailed Fleet List by me.

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Thank you for the update :thumbsup:

Didn't know Pegasus has already received 11 A320neos :shock:

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Any update about QR 787 wet lease ? I heard from an insider deal already sealed and will start in october but did not heard anything since.


Do you also know for how many frames?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:15 am

Yakamoz wrote:
Tkfan wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
Second 74F is the first which has arrived, the Atlas Air B74F N412MC.


The first one was from Atlas , the second was from Kalitta Air.

I have been flying the Atlas one for last few months in and out of IST. It's amazing to fly with Turkish call sign and operate in and out of your country of birth. :)

From what I am seing A330s are very capable aircraft for cargo for a short to medium distances. They don't have the range to make it to Far East non stop , especially Westbound is pretty challenging.

The growth on the cargo side is amazing. Kudos to the Turkish management to focus on this aspect of the business while pax numbers took a nosedive in 2016.

As far as arrival of 777Fs are concerned, I think the airline may keep the existing leased aircraft on board and use the 777s for expansion. I think 747s may go, but you cannot really carry small amount of cargo to lower end markets with 777s. ULS 310s could be very valuable for this purpose.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:33 am

Tkfan wrote:
TK787 wrote:
A little late for this year, probably too early for next year.


Actually very common. Most Travel Companies start sales approximately one year in advance, with early-booking-prices.


Not in the case of NY. TV ads and other street/bus ads for Turkey usually appear in February in NYC. Like Bahadir says, Turkey is still a dangerous option in the eyes of many Americans. Even the adventurous ones will travel to Egypt, Jordan instead. Still the timing of the ad is wrong in my opinion. Unless it is constantly repeated till May. Otherwise, it will be forgotten.
Americans still have to plan for Labor Day, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Xmas, New Years, Mardi Gras, Spring Break, Easter, Memorial Day and the added Jewish holidays before next summer travel season to Europe :)

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