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DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:23 am

For all those anticipating the new 321s proliferation into more markets than the crew familiarization traditional ATL-FL​ runs, with this months new sked, you will notice ATLLAX, ATLDCA,ATLSAT, ATLSAN, ATLSNA on certain days. Rhumour has it next up are MSY BOS DEN SJC SMF but I can't cfm those as yet. Will update as soon as it is published. Also SJU and BDA mentioned. Any flights/comments for the 321 yet? Thanks
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:38 am

Yep BOS-ATL a few weeks ago. Very nice flight I have to say as I don't often enjoy my DL domestic trips. Comfortable seats PTV's were great. Wish there was a couple more inches legroom but don't we all. Overall I'd give it a 9/10 even in Y.
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:58 am

I thought that DL was planning the A321s on shorter trips and thus that is why they didn't buy them with larger fuel capacity. Did that change or is ATL-LAX and other west coast markets well within the range of the fuel tank variant that DL bought?
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:09 pm

Imperialhill wrote:
For all those anticipating the new 321s proliferation into more markets than the crew familiarization traditional ATL-FL​ runs, with this months new sked, you will notice ATLLAX, ATLDCA,ATLSAT, ATLSAN, ATLSNA on certain days. Rhumour has it next up are MSY BOS DEN SJC SMF but I can't cfm those as yet. Will update as soon as it is published. Also SJU and BDA mentioned. Any flights/comments for the 321 yet? Thanks


The plane has been flying ATLDCA, ATLBOS, ATLSFO for a while now. In this schedule it already does ATLSLC, ATLLAX, ATLSFO. ATLLAX is within its operating envelope ATLSFO the plane can struggle at times. The first day it operated it was weight restricted.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:16 pm

Random but on Flightglobal's front page a new Delta A321 was pictured but it had a German flag at the top of the tail. Why would it emblazon the German flag?
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:36 pm

Boeingphan wrote:
Random but on Flightglobal's front page a new Delta A321 was pictured but it had a German flag at the top of the tail. Why would it emblazon the German flag?


Maybe picture taken in Germany (XFW) pre-delivery... that's standard with the German test-registration and a German flag on the tail.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:36 pm

Boeingphan wrote:
Random but on Flightglobal's front page a new Delta A321 was pictured but it had a German flag at the top of the tail. Why would it emblazon the German flag?

If a plane is built in XFW it must be German registered with the German flag until it is delivered to the customer. Mobile and obviously TLS planes are French registered.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:49 pm

Why didn't they get the extra fuel tank capacity? Can that be added to future deliveries? With over 100 frames eventually in the fleet, not all of them will be doing short routes.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:53 pm

Wouldn't be surprised to see DTW-TPA/FLL/LGA thrown in the A321 schedule sometime in the near future. When N305DN was at DTW it regularly flew these places in place of the MD-88/90.
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:01 pm

Imperialhill wrote:
For all those anticipating the new 321s proliferation into more markets than the crew familiarization traditional ATL-FL​ runs, with this months new sked, you will notice ATLLAX, ATLDCA,ATLSAT, ATLSAN, ATLSNA on certain days. Rhumour has it next up are MSY BOS DEN SJC SMF but I can't cfm those as yet. Will update as soon as it is published. Also SJU and BDA mentioned. Any flights/comments for the 321 yet? Thanks


Yep, My 777-200 to LAX flight was replaced by 737-900. I wanted the wide-body flight.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:04 pm

UGA777 wrote:
Why didn't they get the extra fuel tank capacity? Can that be added to future deliveries? With over 100 frames eventually in the fleet, not all of them will be doing short routes.


They have the 737-900ER to do the longer routes.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:54 pm

I don't know if this is still the case, but when I last flew BOS-ATL, every single flight was a 321 and they left every 75 minutes. Talk about capacity. Both my flights were full too.
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:05 pm

In March DL is showing 13x 321, 1x 739 on ATL-TPA. Know it's going to change, but sure do miss those 752s filing the schedule.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:23 pm

ATL SNA, would this be the first A321 @ SNA?
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:43 pm

airzona11 wrote:
ATL SNA, would this be the first A321 @ SNA?


does a A321 CEO have the performance necessary to get out of SNA? let alone all the way to ATL? A NEO might but I question a CEO......
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:47 pm

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ATL SNA, would this be the first A321 @ SNA?



I think so. I've heard at least one person say even a 762/763 has made an appearance in SNA many many years ago, but to this day I'm convinced they had a case of dyslexia and said SAN (San Diego) instead.

Now trying not to derail this thread, I'm curious of the A321's performance getting out of SNA. I did fly SNA-ATL a few years ago on a 757. Honestly I didn't notice too much of an extreme takeoff maneuver, but then again I was half-awake for the flight.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:53 pm

bnatraveler wrote:
I thought that DL was planning the A321s on shorter trips and thus that is why they didn't buy them with larger fuel capacity. Did that change or is ATL-LAX and other west coast markets well within the range of the fuel tank variant that DL bought?


According to the Airbus ACAP, with the internal fuel alone (18.6 tonnes) the standard A321 CEO with winglets has a "still-air" range of 2 250Nm with a 25t payload, and 2 400nm with a 22t payload (taking off 3t below MTOW).
ATL-LAX is 1 692 Nm, and so should be within the range of even the current engine A321 with no additional fuel tanks, and a full 25t payload.
(For reference a 737-900ER has a max payload of about 22t (68t MZFW-46tOEW)).

With 1 additional fuel tank, A321 fuel capacity goes up to 20.9 tonnes, and range goes up to about 2 650Nm with a 22.5t payload at MTOW

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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:55 pm

airzona11 wrote:
ATL SNA, would this be the first A321 @ SNA?


No. I was on one between SNA-PHX on US Airways.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:10 pm

I don't understand DL's tactic with the A321, the plane basically lives in ATL. I would like to see more activity at other hubs, DTW is spotty, the 321 comes, than go's, than comes and than go's, where MSP or LGA go months without seeing scheduled 321 service. This winter will be interesting, DL has some 321's on DTW-LAX, some of the ground times don't make sense to me on the DTW end, I assume when the schedule gets fixed for the winter, they'll remove the A321 from DTW-LAX or bridge the plane in DTW from either ATL or some FL airport.
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:15 pm

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Does a A321 CEO have the performance necessary to get out of SNA? let alone all the way to ATL? A NEO might but I question a CEO......


SNA is at sea level with a 1 738m (5 700ft) runway. Presumably we'd call it "hot", and it's essentially at sea level.
An A321 CEO with winglets should get out of there at a take-off weight of about 183k lb, or 83 tonnes, some 10t shy of MTOW
As it is an eastbound leg to ATL, and thus a following wind, the 1 650Nm still air distance should be the worst case.

A fuel load of 12.5t should be enough for this. With a 48.5t empty operating weight, that leaves about 22t for payload.

Which would imply the answer is "yes" :)

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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:28 pm

The seem to be appearing an ATL-AUS in the Fall as well

flymco753 wrote:
I don't understand DL's tactic with the A321, the plane basically lives in ATL. I would like to see more activity at other hubs, DTW is spotty, the 321 comes, than go's, than comes and than go's, where MSP or LGA go months without seeing scheduled 321 service. This winter will be interesting, DL has some 321's on DTW-LAX, some of the ground times don't make sense to me on the DTW end, I assume when the schedule gets fixed for the winter, they'll remove the A321 from DTW-LAX or bridge the plane in DTW from either ATL or some FL airport.


DL still hasn't taken delivery of many A321s yet. As more and more come on-line, I'm sure you'll see them more at other hubs.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:48 pm

astuteman wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
Does a A321 CEO have the performance necessary to get out of SNA? let alone all the way to ATL? A NEO might but I question a CEO......


SNA is at sea level with a 1 738m (5 700ft) runway. Presumably we'd call it "hot", and it's essentially at sea level.
An A321 CEO with winglets should get out of there at a take-off weight of about 183k lb, or 83 tonnes, some 10t shy of MTOW
As it is an eastbound leg to ATL, and thus a following wind, the 1 650Nm still air distance should be the worst case.

A fuel load of 12.5t should be enough for this. With a 48.5t empty operating weight, that leaves about 22t for payload.

Which would imply the answer is "yes" :)

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I'm more concerned about the Noise Abatement procedure.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:09 pm

The A321 has been on ATL-SAN for one flight every Saturday for a couple of weeks.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:24 pm

The A321 was scheduled to fly PDX-DTW at the beginning of summer 2017. Not sure what led to DL pulling it from the schedule. The flight has predominantly been on a B757 for the summer.
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:43 pm

astuteman wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
Does a A321 CEO have the performance necessary to get out of SNA? let alone all the way to ATL? A NEO might but I question a CEO......


SNA is at sea level with a 1 738m (5 700ft) runway. Presumably we'd call it "hot", and it's essentially at sea level.
An A321 CEO with winglets should get out of there at a take-off weight of about 183k lb, or 83 tonnes, some 10t shy of MTOW
As it is an eastbound leg to ATL, and thus a following wind, the 1 650Nm still air distance should be the worst case.

A fuel load of 12.5t should be enough for this. With a 48.5t empty operating weight, that leaves about 22t for payload.

Which would imply the answer is "yes" :)

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SNA's problem isn't just its short runway, but rather its extreme noise restrictions that require a steep takeoff angle in one direction coupled with frequent tailwinds and the Santa Ana mountains requiring a steep takeoff in the other direction.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:51 pm

flymco753 wrote:
I don't understand DL's tactic with the A321, the plane basically lives in ATL. I would like to see more activity at other hubs, DTW is spotty, the 321 comes, than go's, than comes and than go's, where MSP or LGA go months without seeing scheduled 321 service. This winter will be interesting, DL has some 321's on DTW-LAX, some of the ground times don't make sense to me on the DTW end, I assume when the schedule gets fixed for the winter, they'll remove the A321 from DTW-LAX or bridge the plane in DTW from either ATL or some FL airport.



Patience, as of June 30 2017 22 have been delivered, only 100 more to go on the current order book, so we will be seeing an average of 2-3 new A321 added to the fleet each month for the next 3+ years. When you add the additional 51 (as of June 30, 2017) 737-900ER getting delivered in the next 2 years, it won't be too long before we find ourselves commiserating that MSP is going ''months without seeing scheduled B757-200 service''!
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:55 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
Imperialhill wrote:
The plane has been flying ATLDCA, ATLBOS, ATLSFO for a while now.


I was on it on BOS-ATL last week. The guys who designed the overhead bins at Airbus must either be stupid or restricted by patent/IP since the pivoting overhead bins can't take rollaboards on their sides like the Boeing Sky interior 737s or even Delta's refurbished A319s/A320s can! Product-wise, it's a step down from the 757s since it can't be (within a safety margin acceptable to the airline) boarded from 2L. The plane takes a loooooong time to board.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:14 pm

ScottB wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
Imperialhill wrote:
The plane has been flying ATLDCA, ATLBOS, ATLSFO for a while now.


I was on it on BOS-ATL last week. The guys who designed the overhead bins at Airbus must either be stupid or restricted by patent/IP since the pivoting overhead bins can't take rollaboards on their sides like the Boeing Sky interior 737s or even Delta's refurbished A319s/A320s can! Product-wise, it's a step down from the 757s since it can't be (within a safety margin acceptable to the airline) boarded from 2L. The plane takes a loooooong time to board.


Agreed. I rode one from ATL-BOS last week and I was shocked a brand new plane had the smallish overhead bins that cant take roll-a-boards on their sides. Is this another Delta cheapskate move?
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:37 pm

airzona11 wrote:
ATL SNA, would this be the first A321 @ SNA?


No. US Airways have had the A321 into SNA since atleast 2013 and AA does the same. Also Frontier brought their new A321 in twice over the winter.

DTWorld wrote:
I think so. I've heard at least one person say even a 762/763 has made an appearance in SNA many many years ago, but to this day I'm convinced they had a case of dyslexia and said SAN (San Diego) instead.


FedEx/UPS bring in widebodies like the 767/A300. Also pax terminal was designed to accommodate 767s at two gates.
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:53 pm

I have flown a few trips on the DL A321 and was able to place my 22" roller on its side!?!?
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:30 pm

The lack of boarding from 2L is ridiculous. This aircraft takes as long to board as the 739 and are often scheduled with turn times under an hour which isn't remotely realistic.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:37 pm

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The lack of boarding from 2L is ridiculous. This aircraft takes as long to board as the 739 and are often scheduled with turn times under an hour which isn't remotely realistic.


Not my experience at all. I've been on a few over the past few weeks and boarding was fine and schedules were met.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:39 pm

A321's all day every day over the dreadful 737-900. However I wish like the 752 they allowed boarding through the L2 door. Is it really THAT close to the engine?
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:59 am

Clipper136 wrote:
I have flown a few trips on the DL A321 and was able to place my 22" roller on its side!?!?


Yep. Same. No issue whatsoever.
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:29 am

coronado wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
I don't understand DL's tactic with the A321, the plane basically lives in ATL. I would like to see more activity at other hubs, DTW is spotty, the 321 comes, than go's, than comes and than go's, where MSP or LGA go months without seeing scheduled 321 service. This winter will be interesting, DL has some 321's on DTW-LAX, some of the ground times don't make sense to me on the DTW end, I assume when the schedule gets fixed for the winter, they'll remove the A321 from DTW-LAX or bridge the plane in DTW from either ATL or some FL airport.



Patience, as of June 30 2017 22 have been delivered, only 100 more to go on the current order book, so we will be seeing an average of 2-3 new A321 added to the fleet each month for the next 3+ years. When you add the additional 51 (as of June 30, 2017) 737-900ER getting delivered in the next 2 years, it won't be too long before we find ourselves commiserating that MSP is going ''months without seeing scheduled B757-200 service''!
That'll be a sad day when the 57's are gone. I won't lie the 321 has its issues but it beats the 739 by a landslide.
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:30 am

TransWorldOne wrote:
The lack of boarding from 2L is ridiculous. This aircraft takes as long to board as the 739 and are often scheduled with turn times under an hour which isn't remotely realistic.


ATL-DCA A321 boarding is always insane. The route sells out most of the time, and I swear it takes almost as long as a 767 to board.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:46 am

Have been on ATL-BOS four times this year and to my recollection all flights now are A321's but correct me if I am wrong. I have only been in DL Comfort, typically 11A or 14C are my choices, and the flights are good. I have enjoyed the A321's but the real drawback is the loading times as some have mentioned. It takes seemingly forever to load these aircraft. Not sure why the 739's have so many detractors on here as I have flown them 20-30 times on ATL-JFK, ATL-SEA and ATL-MSP. I find the seats to be a bit more narrow but still nothing to really complain about.

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Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:58 am

I agree deltadawg, the DL 739ER's don't seem bad to me either. 26 A,F are the most comfortable to me. The wall lines up perfectly to rest my head on however the A321's have more of a gap, so it's not as comfortable. Also the interior of the 739ER looks more modern to me.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:09 am

WWads wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
The lack of boarding from 2L is ridiculous. This aircraft takes as long to board as the 739 and are often scheduled with turn times under an hour which isn't remotely realistic.


ATL-DCA A321 boarding is always insane. The route sells out most of the time, and I swear it takes almost as long as a 767 to board.


It probably takes longer to board than a 767 because a 767 has dual aisles which significantly speeds things up.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:09 am

One mins guys. Am I reading this right on Flightradar24 that DL 16 from DTW-LHR is being operated by a 737-9ER? N845DN.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:18 am

skystar767 wrote:
One mins guys. Am I reading this right on Flightradar24 that DL 16 from DTW-LHR is being operated by a 737-9ER? N845DN.


Like with most DL Intl flights, they have a domestic portion to tag along with it. In your case DL 16 operates as LAS-DTW before the DTW-LHR flight.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:46 pm

DL has been flying a 321 to LAX on DL1125 for about a month now, six days a week (X6).

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Re: DL A321 expansion

Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:59 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
Imperialhill wrote:
For all those anticipating the new 321s proliferation into more markets than the crew familiarization traditional ATL-FL​ runs, with this months new sked, you will notice ATLLAX, ATLDCA,ATLSAT, ATLSAN, ATLSNA on certain days. Rhumour has it next up are MSY BOS DEN SJC SMF but I can't cfm those as yet. Will update as soon as it is published. Also SJU and BDA mentioned. Any flights/comments for the 321 yet? Thanks


The plane has been flying ATLDCA, ATLBOS, ATLSFO for a while now. In this schedule it already does ATLSLC, ATLLAX, ATLSFO. ATLLAX is within its operating envelope ATLSFO the plane can struggle at times. The first day it operated it was weight restricted.


atl sfo is only 1859 nm and it was weight restricted? that's very surprising.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:15 pm

DaufuskieGuy wrote:
atl sfo is only 1859 nm and it was weight restricted? that's very surprising.

Some of DL's A321s lack the 2 optional ACTs (all? There are conflicting reports about DL's intentions with later planes in the order). Depending on how bad the winds were weight restrictions are not that surprising.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:53 pm

UGA777 wrote:
Why didn't they get the extra fuel tank capacity?

Maybe they don't need it? A current generation A321 with shaklets is a very capable airplane.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:50 pm

I think it is quite easy to ad ACTs when needed.
 
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:23 am

coronado wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
I don't understand DL's tactic with the A321, the plane basically lives in ATL. I would like to see more activity at other hubs, DTW is spotty, the 321 comes, than go's, than comes and than go's, where MSP or LGA go months without seeing scheduled 321 service. This winter will be interesting, DL has some 321's on DTW-LAX, some of the ground times don't make sense to me on the DTW end, I assume when the schedule gets fixed for the winter, they'll remove the A321 from DTW-LAX or bridge the plane in DTW from either ATL or some FL airport.



Patience, as of June 30 2017 22 have been delivered, only 100 more to go on the current order book, so we will be seeing an average of 2-3 new A321 added to the fleet each month for the next 3+ years. When you add the additional 51 (as of June 30, 2017) 737-900ER getting delivered in the next 2 years, it won't be too long before we find ourselves commiserating that MSP is going ''months without seeing scheduled B757-200 service''!
From what I've heard, the A321 will be strictly ATL, and it's proved to show that so far. I honestly find that an aircraft of that capacity is being flown hourly to BOS, DCA, MCO and FLL that's my bone to pick. MSP has gone 3 months without regularly scheduled 321 service, DTW has gone a month and a half since they've seen the last 321. MSP won't see the 321 until December, and the only reason DTW will get the 321 for a month is because DL originally had it planned to do PDX but that failed so there wasn't a choice, than the plane disappears for 2 and a half months and comes back in December, which I think will be removed because it was supposed to do PDX. I'm not counting on the 321 service to LAX either, I think that'll be gone in a matter of time too. I still stand to think DTW-LGA, TPA, and FLL will have a few 321's on it, but not until ATL has 321 service to every airport on all flights, this is all based on feeling, this is how I feel about DL and the 321 and I wish it would branch out and do something like ATL-MSP-LAS-MSP-SLC-MSP-ATL or ATL-MCO-DTW-LGA-DTW-TPA-ATL similarly to how the 739's are.
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ken4556
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:43 am

My flight yesterday afternoon (8/4/17) from Denver to Atlanta was changed from a MD90 to a brand new A321, N324DX.

I was in standard coach, first row behind economy comfort. I found the plane, comfort and leg room, no different than a 737-900ER.

The overhead bins are horrible. Roller boards cannot be placed on edge and my rollerboard just fit laying flat. It fits fine, either flat, or on edge on all other Delta planes. I am not sure why these bins are so much smaller than the new 757/737-900 bins. The flight attendants even made an announcement to not place the rollerboards on edge.

Sad to see such a nice plane not have the start-of-the art bins. Not sure what Airbus was thinking here...
 
burnsie28
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:46 am

Jetport wrote:

Agreed. I rode one from ATL-BOS last week and I was shocked a brand new plane had the smallish overhead bins that cant take roll-a-boards on their sides. Is this another Delta cheapskate move?


Only one option from Airbus, the modded A319's and A320's were a completely different company that did that interior.
 
jbs2886
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Re: DL A321 expansion

Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:14 am

burnsie28 wrote:
Jetport wrote:

Agreed. I rode one from ATL-BOS last week and I was shocked a brand new plane had the smallish overhead bins that cant take roll-a-boards on their sides. Is this another Delta cheapskate move?


Only one option from Airbus, the modded A319's and A320's were a completely different company that did that interior.


But the A321 is a perfect airplane, no way it can be an Airbus issue. :rotfl:

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