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iFlyDTW wrote:Id like to start a post about NK, because it seems like other airlines have one so why not have a post dedicated to NK? In another post, a pilot bridge program is being established with GoJet to funnel in new pilots to NK.
Where do you see NK next?
Lets talk about the pesky NEO and the engine problems.
In terms of growth, there's a lot of potential in terms of routes, I am based out of DTW so most of my routes include DTW.
I can see BNA opening in the next year, the first few routes would probably be DTW, DFW, and more than likely FLL.
AUS is another station I can see happening, LAX, DTW, ORD, and LAS.
I think BDL will see DFW, IAH, DTW and ORD.
jetpixx wrote:I was afraid to open a thread about NK...figured they'd find a way to charge me somehow
flymco753 wrote:^with the slow down in FLL, DTW is growing pretty steadily, wouldn't be surprised to see DTW surpass ORD at some point in the next few years, or strengthen their network by adding DTW-ORD and create a Midwest fortress between both airports.
jetpixx wrote:I was afraid to open a thread about NK...figured they'd find a way to charge me somehow
phluser wrote:flymco753 wrote:^with the slow down in FLL, DTW is growing pretty steadily, wouldn't be surprised to see DTW surpass ORD at some point in the next few years, or strengthen their network by adding DTW-ORD and create a Midwest fortress between both airports.
It is very unlikely that Spirit adds DTW-ORD. It is too short and leisure O&D will drive. Maybe you are thinking it would be like FLL-MCO but it's not the same. That route has likely had a great share of international travelers and is an exception with the MCO attractions. Most of Spirit route additions exceed 8hr drives.
I'd just like Spirit to return on ACY-DTW seasonal or PHL-DTW seasonal. I bet AA and DL basic economy fares depressed Spirit demand.
I do agree one stops can help flight service but NK hasn't done it with ACY-DTW. It could do DTW-ACY-Florida as well as ACY-DTW-West with 10-15% pax continuing through, rather than rely 100% on O&D. Instead they tried PHL (likely to prevent F9) but in the end, AA and DL likely offered low enough fares into PHL making NK discontinue the route. But maybe it returns next summer, but there has been no announcement either way.
[email protected] wrote:Elsewhere, they did operate DFW-IAH!
SkyVoice wrote:There are posters on other threads who are sure that Spirit will begin serving Cincinnati / Northern Kentucky (CVG) very soon. Even though I live close to there, I don't think that serving CVG would be a good thing for NK to do at this time. However, I do think that Spirit would not only be welcomed, but would also be successful at the Dayton International Airport (DAY). Dayton has seen Southwest relocate to CVG, and DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE). Now is the right time for NK to seriously consider adding service to DAY.
SkyVoice wrote:Throw in seasonal MYR too.DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE).
jplatts wrote:Would that really stop them? They have the same situation up the road in CLE and NK is there.SkyVoice wrote:There are posters on other threads who are sure that Spirit will begin serving Cincinnati / Northern Kentucky (CVG) very soon. Even though I live close to there, I don't think that serving CVG would be a good thing for NK to do at this time. However, I do think that Spirit would not only be welcomed, but would also be successful at the Dayton International Airport (DAY). Dayton has seen Southwest relocate to CVG, and DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE). Now is the right time for NK to seriously consider adding service to DAY.
There is no need for Spirit Airlines to serve CVG since Allegiant and/or Frontier already have nonstop service from CVG to most of the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG and since Southwest can also add nonstop service from CVG to the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG if Spirit does not add service to CVG and if there is enough demand for additional nonstop service to these destinations out of CVG. In addition, there are many travelers who are unwilling to fly on Spirit Airlines with its negative publicity, poor customer service, and leaving customers stranded in the case of cancellations.
[email protected] wrote:It was added for a short period of time, I remember a friend of mine had to buy 2 RTs because it was sub $100 to get from TPA to ORD. I was thinking it would be the same effect as MCO-FLL because the CHI market is still pretty large, the only thing that might deter is DL/UA/AA battling it out at ORD while WN/DL battle it out in MDW, my fiancé and I found tickets to MDW from DTW on WN for $70 RT.phluser wrote:flymco753 wrote:^with the slow down in FLL, DTW is growing pretty steadily, wouldn't be surprised to see DTW surpass ORD at some point in the next few years, or strengthen their network by adding DTW-ORD and create a Midwest fortress between both airports.
It is very unlikely that Spirit adds DTW-ORD. It is too short and leisure O&D will drive. Maybe you are thinking it would be like FLL-MCO but it's not the same. That route has likely had a great share of international travelers and is an exception with the MCO attractions. Most of Spirit route additions exceed 8hr drives.
I'd just like Spirit to return on ACY-DTW seasonal or PHL-DTW seasonal. I bet AA and DL basic economy fares depressed Spirit demand.
I do agree one stops can help flight service but NK hasn't done it with ACY-DTW. It could do DTW-ACY-Florida as well as ACY-DTW-West with 10-15% pax continuing through, rather than rely 100% on O&D. Instead they tried PHL (likely to prevent F9) but in the end, AA and DL likely offered low enough fares into PHL making NK discontinue the route. But maybe it returns next summer, but there has been no announcement either way.
Did NK not begin ORD-DTW before? I can't recall.
Elsewhere, they did operate DFW-IAH!
cledaybuck wrote:NK was there prior to the build up of F9 though. F9 added, than DL added, than G4 shifted to CLE, than WN brought back their seasonal MCO, so for the size of CLE's market to ORL its became saturated.SkyVoice wrote:Throw in seasonal MYR too.DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE).jplatts wrote:Would that really stop them? They have the same situation up the road in CLE and NK is there.SkyVoice wrote:There are posters on other threads who are sure that Spirit will begin serving Cincinnati / Northern Kentucky (CVG) very soon. Even though I live close to there, I don't think that serving CVG would be a good thing for NK to do at this time. However, I do think that Spirit would not only be welcomed, but would also be successful at the Dayton International Airport (DAY). Dayton has seen Southwest relocate to CVG, and DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE). Now is the right time for NK to seriously consider adding service to DAY.
There is no need for Spirit Airlines to serve CVG since Allegiant and/or Frontier already have nonstop service from CVG to most of the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG and since Southwest can also add nonstop service from CVG to the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG if Spirit does not add service to CVG and if there is enough demand for additional nonstop service to these destinations out of CVG. In addition, there are many travelers who are unwilling to fly on Spirit Airlines with its negative publicity, poor customer service, and leaving customers stranded in the case of cancellations.
flymco753 wrote:. I was thinking it would be the same effect as MCO-FLL because the CHI market is still pretty large, the only thing that might deter is DL/UA/AA battling it out at ORD while WN/DL battle it out in MDW, my fiancé and I found tickets to MDW from DTW on WN for $70 RT.
cledaybuck wrote:SkyVoice wrote:Throw in seasonal MYR too.DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE).jplatts wrote:Would that really stop them? They have the same situation up the road in CLE and NK is there.SkyVoice wrote:There are posters on other threads who are sure that Spirit will begin serving Cincinnati / Northern Kentucky (CVG) very soon. Even though I live close to there, I don't think that serving CVG would be a good thing for NK to do at this time. However, I do think that Spirit would not only be welcomed, but would also be successful at the Dayton International Airport (DAY). Dayton has seen Southwest relocate to CVG, and DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE). Now is the right time for NK to seriously consider adding service to DAY.
There is no need for Spirit Airlines to serve CVG since Allegiant and/or Frontier already have nonstop service from CVG to most of the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG and since Southwest can also add nonstop service from CVG to the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG if Spirit does not add service to CVG and if there is enough demand for additional nonstop service to these destinations out of CVG. In addition, there are many travelers who are unwilling to fly on Spirit Airlines with its negative publicity, poor customer service, and leaving customers stranded in the case of cancellations.
phluser wrote:flymco753 wrote:. I was thinking it would be the same effect as MCO-FLL because the CHI market is still pretty large, the only thing that might deter is DL/UA/AA battling it out at ORD while WN/DL battle it out in MDW, my fiancé and I found tickets to MDW from DTW on WN for $70 RT.
Southwest restored service on MCO-FLL but for a time, NK was the only carrier. I was always surprised that B6 never went after MCO-FLL, given their stronger international focus at FLL and codeshares, over WN. WN's schedule now shows 5x daily on the route.
If there is a wealthy family from out of country coming to South Florida and flying B6 into FLL, and then making a trip to Disney and they don't drive (won't drive South Florida -> Disney, but instead opt to fly), wouldn't they be more inclined to fly B6, a more reputable carrier, over going with NK? I suppose that is a question for B6 but nonetheless, it has helped NK that B6 didn't elect to fly the route. Now, WN is on it and pretty committed to it.
cvgComair wrote:However, I think they will eventually come to CVG and it would be a good point to draw passengers from SDF/LEX/IND/DAY/CMH.
CVG’s Florida market is really saturated though, not only with G4 and F9, but DL remains the largest airline on the CVG-Florida market.
kabq737 wrote:jetpixx wrote:I was afraid to open a thread about NK...figured they'd find a way to charge me somehow
They were going to but they didn't have any pilots to fly your flight in the first place.
cvgComair wrote:I am not sure CLE is much different in the saturation department. There will be non stop service to Florida on all 8 domestic carriers that serve CLE next spring (some are season and not all are daily, but still) (NK, F9, WN, UA, DL, AA, G4, and B6). If NK want to get into CVG, it might be better before WN can build up anything there. Most of the low hanging fruit is gone, but that seems to be true most places domestically.cledaybuck wrote:SkyVoice wrote:Throw in seasonal MYR too.DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE).jplatts wrote:Would that really stop them? They have the same situation up the road in CLE and NK is there.
There is no need for Spirit Airlines to serve CVG since Allegiant and/or Frontier already have nonstop service from CVG to most of the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG and since Southwest can also add nonstop service from CVG to the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG if Spirit does not add service to CVG and if there is enough demand for additional nonstop service to these destinations out of CVG. In addition, there are many travelers who are unwilling to fly on Spirit Airlines with its negative publicity, poor customer service, and leaving customers stranded in the case of cancellations.
Not really the same situation as G4 is many times larger at CVG than CLE. However, I think they will eventually come to CVG and it would be a good point to draw passengers from SDF/LEX/IND/DAY/CMH.
CVG’s Florida market is really saturated though, not only with G4 and F9, but DL remains the largest airline on the CVG-Florida market.
toltommy wrote:As someone whose closest airport is DAY, I hope you are right, but I am not holding my breath. I am also unconvinced that NK is pursuing a secondary city strategy. Wasn't their last add PIT with LBE down the road?But there has been a change in leadership, and Fornaro is following the early Airtran model, and growing via secondary markets.
Between the current model and the saturation you point out, I don't think you'll see NK at CVG any time soon. But the secondary markets around CVG? I think you can expect to see them there. Less than daily service combined with outsourced ground and passenger handling makes it easier to jump into a market like DAY.
toltommy wrote:cvgComair wrote:However, I think they will eventually come to CVG and it would be a good point to draw passengers from SDF/LEX/IND/DAY/CMH.
CVG’s Florida market is really saturated though, not only with G4 and F9, but DL remains the largest airline on the CVG-Florida market.
NK jumped into CLE for two reasons, really. UA closing the hub left some low hanging leisure fruit to pick, and at the time NK leadership was trying to use larger markets to grow the airline. But there has been a change in leadership, and Fornaro is following the early Airtran model, and growing via secondary markets.
Between the current model and the saturation you point out, I don't think you'll see NK at CVG any time soon. But the secondary markets around CVG? I think you can expect to see them there. Less than daily service combined with outsourced ground and passenger handling makes it easier to jump into a market like DAY.
stlgph wrote:If we took all the reasons here on why Spirit Airlines shouldn't be serving an airport, such as Cincinnati, then Spirit Airlines shouldn't be flying to Seattle, Minneapolis, Dallas, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Houston, oh hell Christ I can't keep typing all this....
cvgComair wrote:cledaybuck wrote:SkyVoice wrote:Throw in seasonal MYR too.DAY only has the US3 legacy carriers serving it now, plus a few flights a week by Allegiant to their exclusive Florida airports (SFB, PGD & PIE).jplatts wrote:Would that really stop them? They have the same situation up the road in CLE and NK is there.
There is no need for Spirit Airlines to serve CVG since Allegiant and/or Frontier already have nonstop service from CVG to most of the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG and since Southwest can also add nonstop service from CVG to the destinations that Spirit would be serving nonstop from CVG if Spirit does not add service to CVG and if there is enough demand for additional nonstop service to these destinations out of CVG. In addition, there are many travelers who are unwilling to fly on Spirit Airlines with its negative publicity, poor customer service, and leaving customers stranded in the case of cancellations.
Not really the same situation as G4 is many times larger at CVG than CLE. However, I think they will eventually come to CVG and it would be a good point to draw passengers from SDF/LEX/IND/DAY/CMH.
CVG’s Florida market is really saturated though, not only with G4 and F9, but DL remains the largest airline on the CVG-Florida market.
dfwjim1 wrote:It all depends on market size, does OKC or TUL have to PDEW atl support those flights?How about NK serving Oklahoma City and Tulsa with flights to FLL, LAS and other leisure destinations?
Midwestindy wrote:cvgComair wrote:cledaybuck wrote:Throw in seasonal MYR too.
Would that really stop them? They have the same situation up the road in CLE and NK is there.
Not really the same situation as G4 is many times larger at CVG than CLE. However, I think they will eventually come to CVG and it would be a good point to draw passengers from SDF/LEX/IND/DAY/CMH.
CVG’s Florida market is really saturated though, not only with G4 and F9, but DL remains the largest airline on the CVG-Florida market.
What draw would there be from people at SDF/LEX/IND/DAY/CMH to fly NK at CVG, all of those cities have a sizeable LCC presence (CMH at LCK) and all those cities have plenty of options in terms of LCC flights to LAS/Florida and there is hardly any low-cost demand from those cities to DTW, passengers from those airports aren't going to drive hours to get to CVG to get fares they could get flying F9/G4 from their home airport. The only cities that it could maybe draw from would be DAY/LEX but that would only be if it were a large NK operation based in CVG, but you have to remember G4 fills the NK niche very well in most of those cities.
Side note: If NK were to enter the market in CVG, it would be an absolute bloodbath that I would love to see unfold...
cledaybuck wrote:As someone whose closest airport is DAY, I hope you are right, but I am not holding my breath. I am also unconvinced that NK is pursuing a secondary city strategy. Wasn't their last add PIT with LBE down the road?
MichianaOrthx wrote:
I really do wish them success, the North American market is weak when it comes to ULCCs.