N62NA wrote:

"Manure" clause? LOL I know what you meant though.

Frickin' autocorrct..... LOL

dstblj52 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

n797mx wrote:

"What flights could be cancelled?

American is unlikely to cancel any feeder flights on its large regional jets, the Bombardier CRJ900s and E175s. These largely operate in markets with demand for both premium and economy products or — in other words — routes that are more financially lucrative for the airline."

Which is silly to say because the scope clause only applies to aircraft with more than 65 seats... Under 65 can have as many as they'd like.

If anything, Mesa A/C would be on the chopping block, as a result of missing their performance marks over the summer. In August AA cut Mesa's CPA by two because of performance, and I believe they just did another a a week or two ago.

Not quite true, AA does also have a scope clause for those under 65 seats. The total AA regional fleet cannot exceed 70% of the Mainline fleet

Its just a question of which number if any is going to miss, and does AA have the same clause as delta where they calculate regional aircraft in line equivalents? number of hours operated per day of mainline narrowbody fleet=1 rj operated per day

It is not calculated by line of actual flying, it is counted as any aircraft not planned to be in heavy MX so that includes your spares plus those actually flying.

alasizon wrote:

dstblj52 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

Not quite true, AA does also have a scope clause for those under 65 seats. The total AA regional fleet cannot exceed 70% of the Mainline fleet

Its just a question of which number if any is going to miss, and does AA have the same clause as delta where they calculate regional aircraft in line equivalents? number of hours operated per day of mainline narrowbody fleet=1 rj operated per day

It is not calculated by line of actual flying, it is counted as any aircraft not planned to be in heavy MX so that includes your spares plus those actually flying.

Okay interesting

E175 N290NN is en route SJK-MAO-FLL-DFW-ABI on delivery. 72 x E175 on property now at Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N290NN

Link to a picture of that damage on N285NN

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9549485

Anyone know the status of CP as an Eagle carrier?

KLMatSJC wrote:

Anyone know the status of CP as an Eagle carrier?

Nothing's been confirmed but the rumors are skywest 20 new E-175's are replacing compass in LAX and then compass E-175 are going to replace Mesa operated by envoy

n797mx wrote:

Runway28L wrote:

AA looking to cut back it’s regional jet fleet due to the MAX grounding’s effect on scope.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... -drags-on/

"What flights could be cancelled?

American is unlikely to cancel any feeder flights on its large regional jets, the Bombardier CRJ900s and E175s. These largely operate in markets with demand for both premium and economy products or — in other words — routes that are more financially lucrative for the airline."

Which is silly to say because the scope clause only applies to aircraft with more than 65 seats... Under 65 can have as many as they'd like.

If anything, Mesa A/C would be on the chopping block, as a result of missing their performance marks over the summer. In August AA cut Mesa's CPA by two because of performance, and I believe they just did another a a week or two ago.

Did you even read the article?

Sub 65 seats is not unlimited, the Entire American Eagle Fleet is capped at 75% the mainline fleet total. When they add jets to mainline, the AE fleet can grow. Over 65 seats is capped at 40% of the mainline fleet, meaning the other 35% has to be sub 65 seats if they are at the large RJ cap. The article said it would likely be Erj-140’s parked to return the AE fleet back to 75% as it is currently at 79% with the current MAX fleet excluded from the fleet count, which must be done for scope purposes starting in mid June. We are also only talking about 4 airframes.

What will be interesting to see is how it will play out come fall when Skywest starts receiving their 175’s if the max has still not returned to service. It will likely require additional small planes to be parked and/or more of the remaining Skywest CRJ7’s to be converted to 65 seats.

PSA CR2 N258PS was removed from service and stored at TUS on 2/21/20. 19 x CR2 remain at PSA.

Can we have a stoning of the last CR2 to be removed from service?

N834AE is currently at ROW for paint.

jgcotter wrote:

aaflyer222 wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

N816AE is currently at ROW for paint.

is there a count of how many are not yet painted?

I’m showing four active; 827, 834, 841, 842, the five stored at SJT; 828, 829, 832, 834, 847 and the two stored at ABI; 802, 814 as still in legacy (white) livery.

Correction; The five stored at SJT are 828, 829, 832, 839 and 847.

802 has been reregistered by the FAA to Envoy Air on 2/24/20 for three years. Return to service?

N840AE is en route to ROW for paint.

E175 N292NN ferried SJK-MAO-FLL-DFW-ABI 4 March on delivery. 73 x E175 on property now at Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N292NN

PSA has received its fourteenth CR9 of the new batch. N614NN ferried YMX-DAY-CVG on 12 March 2020 for delivery. 68 x CR9 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N614NN

CR7 N543EA is en route from MQT to CVG for transfer from Envoy to PSA. 61 x CR7 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N543EA

There are three 175's in Brazil waiting to be delivered to Envoy.

airtran737 wrote:

There are three 175's in Brazil waiting to be delivered to Envoy.

Do you know if there are any there waiting for Skywest in Delta colors? I believe they are expecting a couple of them.

MLIAA wrote:

Anyone have any details on E175 N285NN? It’s been in YUL since December 21st after a severe ground handling mishap. Is it being repaired? Re-winged? Re-engined? Recycled?

E175 N285NN flew a test hop yesterday at YUL and looks like it’s back service.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N285NN

Looks like Compass is shutting down: https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/c ... 08.article

jgcotter wrote:

Looks like Compass is shutting down: https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/c ... 08.article

Yes

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1443115&p=22101919

Four of the remaining five Envoy E140s stored at SJT (828, 832, 839 and 847) have ferried to MZJ. The fifth, 829, was to have ferried today but was canceled.

40 x E140 still in service. 15 stored at MZJ. 2 stored at ABI. 1 stored at SJT, scheduled to ferry to MZJ tomorrow.

Five more E140s ferried ABI to MZJ today; 818, 824, 830, 835, 836. 829 still delayed at SJT.

jgcotter wrote:

Five more E140s ferried ABI to MZJ today; 818, 824, 830, 835, 836. 829 still delayed at SJT.

These coming into service or storage?

Hypoxik wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

Five more E140s ferried ABI to MZJ today; 818, 824, 830, 835, 836. 829 still delayed at SJT.

These coming into service or storage?

I believe they are going into storage

Flow through and flow back still in effect at AA and MQ and the Eagles?

KlimaBXsst wrote:

Flow through and flow back still in effect at AA and MQ and the Eagles?

No flow back at MQ. The last one was apparently a disaster. It would take a lot for them to agree to it again.

Are any of these still in the old livery?

Hypoxik wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

Five more E140s ferried ABI to MZJ today; 818, 824, 830, 835, 836. 829 still delayed at SJT.

These coming into service or storage?

Storage. ABI is where they would have stayed if they were going to be getting used for the foreseeable future.

Very surprised they are using MZJ though and not IGM which is where a lot of the RJs had previously been stored.

829 is en route from SJT to MZJ for storage. This brings the total in storage at MZJ to 20.

whywhytee wrote:

Are any of these still in the old livery?

Of the 20 x E140 now in storage at MZJ, six are still in legacy white livery; 827, 828, 829, 832, 839 and 847. This leaves two active in the legacy livery; 841 and 842.

Hypoxik wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

Five more E140s ferried ABI to MZJ today; 818, 824, 830, 835, 836. 829 still delayed at SJT.

These coming into service or storage?

Storage.

So, we know that the LAX Eagle cuts are pretty much entirely the 20 175s that were operated by Compass. And it looks as though the bulk of the NYC area Eagle cuts will be a massive reduction of Envoy 140 flying in that area. Is it possible to piece together the reductions, shifts and realignments for the whole system? (Given that if mainline is reducing 30-50% we can pretty well assume that Eagle as a whole has to, and that with SkyWest laying people off... Compass closing, etc, it may be true that the non-wholly owned took it harder than the three wholly owned?)

DFW - I suspect Mesa takes a much greater hit on 900 flying and allows more MQ 175s to stay in the air
similarly, I am guessing OO 700s see a reduction to allow more MQ 140/145 flights in their place

LAX - OO benefits as Compass closes, and its their only bright spot. Although, I suspect the 20 new 175s get cancelled.

PHX - YV retrenches to its home base and OO joins them if they aren't already here. Major reduction?

ORD - OO reduction, but MQ still loses a third of its flying, so no winners at all.

CLT - If Republic is here, they should shoulder the bulk of the cuts, but this will hurt.

PIT - ? CRJ 200s get retired?

PHL - ? I don't know this base at all

MIA - I know this is MQ and YX - I just don't have a sense of how it will be hurt

DCA - MQ flights in/out appear to be ending - how are PSA/Piedmont and Republic here?

Thoughts?

PHL has Republic, Piedmont, PSA and a few envoy flights. Minus the Republic flights they have about 165 flights a day with the remaining 3, of that about 65-70 flights are canceled daily since this virus thing. How many Republic flights are canceled daily i would have no idea.

eugdjinn wrote:

So, we know that the LAX Eagle cuts are pretty much entirely the 20 175s that were operated by Compass. And it looks as though the bulk of the NYC area Eagle cuts will be a massive reduction of Envoy 140 flying in that area. Is it possible to piece together the reductions, shifts and realignments for the whole system? (Given that if mainline is reducing 30-50% we can pretty well assume that Eagle as a whole has to, and that with SkyWest laying people off... Compass closing, etc, it may be true that the non-wholly owned took it harder than the three wholly owned?)

DFW - I suspect Mesa takes a much greater hit on 900 flying and allows more MQ 175s to stay in the air
similarly, I am guessing OO 700s see a reduction to allow more MQ 140/145 flights in their place

LAX - OO benefits as Compass closes, and its their only bright spot. Although, I suspect the 20 new 175s get cancelled.

PHX - YV retrenches to its home base and OO joins them if they aren't already here. Major reduction?

ORD - OO reduction, but MQ still loses a third of its flying, so no winners at all.

CLT - If Republic is here, they should shoulder the bulk of the cuts, but this will hurt.

PIT - ? CRJ 200s get retired?

PHL - ? I don't know this base at all

MIA - I know this is MQ and YX - I just don't have a sense of how it will be hurt

DCA - MQ flights in/out appear to be ending - how are PSA/Piedmont and Republic here?

Thoughts?

Most of regional drawdown will be more or less equal across the board with the E140/E145 getting hit harder since most of those flights are in much smaller markets where the demand is gone. Some of the mainline frequencies will be dropping down to Regional as well so you'll still see a large number of regional flights for the first couple months.

alasizon wrote:

Most of regional drawdown will be more or less equal across the board with the E140/E145 getting hit harder since most of those flights are in much smaller markets where the demand is gone. Some of the mainline frequencies will be dropping down to Regional as well so you'll still see a large number of regional flights for the first couple months.

I don't think I agree with you there. When we are regularly flying 3 - 20 passengers around on a regional flight, the E140/E145 actually make a lot more sense. I know 20 E140s have gone to MZJ for storage, and I don't fault the logic in sending them (at least, as I understand it, the reasoning is that nobody is going to make a replacement. That being the case, and frankly there are always going to be markets where 44 seats is enough, we need to preserve something to serve them for when the current fleet is worn out.)

I truly hope AA management will work hardest to protect it's wholly owned over it's contracted feed.

eugdjinn wrote:

alasizon wrote:

Most of regional drawdown will be more or less equal across the board with the E140/E145 getting hit harder since most of those flights are in much smaller markets where the demand is gone. Some of the mainline frequencies will be dropping down to Regional as well so you'll still see a large number of regional flights for the first couple months.

I don't think I agree with you there. When we are regularly flying 3 - 20 passengers around on a regional flight, the E140/E145 actually make a lot more sense. I know 20 E140s have gone to MZJ for storage, and I don't fault the logic in sending them (at least, as I understand it, the reasoning is that nobody is going to make a replacement. That being the case, and frankly there are always going to be markets where 44 seats is enough, we need to preserve something to serve them for when the current fleet is worn out.)

I truly hope AA management will work hardest to protect it's wholly owned over it's contracted feed.

Flying 3-20 pax on a flight makes sense with a 140/145 but when you go from six flights a day in a market to two, you are now talking about 9-60 people which is why a lot of the two class RJs will prevail. Likewise, the two class RJs backfill Mainline for maintaining connectivity. I'm not saying all the 44/50 seaters are going away but I would expect MQ to be flying a lot less, particularly in DFW and for PT to be probably around 70% in PHL and maybe 50% in CLT. I see OH retiring the 200s shortly.

East Coast. Ohio Valley and upper Midwest still have plenty of routes that can support one or two a day on a 50 seater and will continue to be that way but for the routes that were a mix of 50 seaters and larger RJs, the large RJ will mostly prevail.

I suspect AA will treat MQ, PT, OH, YX and OO equally and try to draw down an equal-ish percentage of flying. CP is already gone and I see YV's drawdown accelerating and them being shown the door by July. There is no route from PHX that OO can't cover right now and no route from DFW that MQ can't cover.

Compass is parking the AA-owned E175s at AVQ, the other Marana airport, with five already there; N206NN, N208AN, N210NN, N213NN, N218NN. A sixth is at BNA since the 16th for some type of maintenance.

jgcotter wrote:

Compass is parking the AA-owned E175s at AVQ, the other Marana airport, with five already there; N206NN, N208AN, N210NN, N213NN, N218NN. A sixth is at BNA since the 16th for some type of maintenance.

Where on earth at Marana are they parking them? There is not a lot of room there.

No idea why they didn't just park them in TUS or PHX where it is easier to get them out.

alasizon wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

Compass is parking the AA-owned E175s at AVQ, the other Marana airport, with five already there; N206NN, N208AN, N210NN, N213NN, N218NN. A sixth is at BNA since the 16th for some type of maintenance.

Where on earth at Marana are they parking them? There is not a lot of room there.

No idea why they didn't just park them in TUS or PHX where it is easier to get them out.

You’re right, it sure seems like a tight fit at AVW. I wonder why they didn’t just park them at MZJ up the road? Three more parked at AVW last night; N207NN,
N211NN and N217NN, for a total of eight.

PSA has received its fifteenth CR9 of the new batch. N615NN ferried YMX-DAY-CVG on 26 March 2020 for delivery. 69 x CR9 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N615NN

jgcotter wrote:

PSA has received its fifteenth CR9 of the new batch. N615NN ferried YMX-DAY-CVG on 26 March 2020 for delivery. 69 x CR9 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N615NN

That’s all of the new CRJs for PSA. Too bad- AAG didn’t exercise the 15 options for us.

When PSA CR2 N244PS lands at CAK shortly, all PSA CR2s will have been parked. Nine at CAK, eight at DAY, one at CKB and one at ORF.

bigb wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

PSA has received its fifteenth CR9 of the new batch. N615NN ferried YMX-DAY-CVG on 26 March 2020 for delivery. 69 x CR9 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N615NN

That’s all of the new CRJs for PSA. Too bad- AAG didn’t exercise the 15 options for us.

No room in the scope clause to do so anyhow.

alasizon wrote:

bigb wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

PSA has received its fifteenth CR9 of the new batch. N615NN ferried YMX-DAY-CVG on 26 March 2020 for delivery. 69 x CR9 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N615NN

That’s all of the new CRJs for PSA. Too bad- AAG didn’t exercise the 15 options for us.

No room in the scope clause to do so anyhow.

Oh I know. They are along with any of our 900s are just nice to fly vs our 200.

jgcotter wrote:

When PSA CR2 N244PS lands at CAK shortly, all PSA CR2s will have been parked. Nine at CAK, eight at DAY, one at CKB and one at ORF.

Going to be interesting to see ops at DCA if there is an increase in flying before the new gates open up. If they don't bring the CR2s back, I guess Piedmont and Envoy will have to pick up the 35X flights there should there be a need for 50 seat flying. Does anyone have a number of E140s that will be kept flying after the draw down?

bigb wrote:

alasizon wrote:

bigb wrote:

That’s all of the new CRJs for PSA. Too bad- AAG didn’t exercise the 15 options for us.

No room in the scope clause to do so anyhow.

Oh I know. They are along with any of our 900s are just nice to fly vs our 200.

Don’t have to worry about our 200s anymore!

Two more Compass E175s ferried to AVW this afternoon; N202NN and N205NN.