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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:19 pm

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So odd to see a pre-NextGen 900. I think Mesa is the only company in the US that has them. All the rest didn’t allow it through scope until ~2007 when the NG also came online.


I believe there are 39 non-NG CRJ900s with Delta Connection (13 Endeavor Air, which were new to Pinnacle or ComAir) and the balance with Sywest (a mix of former Pinnacle and ComAir, and some delivered new to SkyWest).
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:39 pm

GVZZZ wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
So odd to see a pre-NextGen 900. I think Mesa is the only company in the US that has them. All the rest didn’t allow it through scope until ~2007 when the NG also came online.


I believe there are 39 non-NG CRJ900s with Delta Connection (13 Endeavor Air, which were new to Pinnacle or ComAir) and the balance with Sywest (a mix of former Pinnacle and ComAir, and some delivered new to SkyWest).

Yeah I got my words mixed up. I meant the older style with the -200 style winglets and whatnot. (Exhaust chevrons too, but those went away in the newest -900s). I think Mesa is the only one with those very old school ones.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

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Re: AA Eagle @ LAX

Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:41 am

alasizon wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
A handful of Mesa 900s have been withdrawn from AA flying in the last few months, allowed in the CPA. Not sure if it was performance metrics or what that allowed their removal, but they have indeed taken a few out of service.


I think as part of an agreement last year I think, if certain performance metrics weren't met, then AA could exercise rights to pull some from the CPA...which they did exercise on some but all of what they could have...but now they are pulling those due to low demand. This should help create more spares to help the operation though, which has been a problem in the past


AA has pulled all of the ones allowed by the performance metrics plus two additional that they are still paying YV for but have advised YV they won't be flying. Due to performance, expect the YV fleet to continue to shrink until all of them can be pulled.

TonyClifton wrote:
There are nine pulled. I believe the 9th is 935LR which hasn't been painted yet as it was in storage in TUS.
N241LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N242LR - now in silver only paint scheme
N939LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N943LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N942LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N944LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N945LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N956LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery


Aren't the black and white birds still flying normally for AA? is there something there that I am missing? I know that UA isn't using them.
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Re: AA Eagle @ LAX

Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
alasizon wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:

I think as part of an agreement last year I think, if certain performance metrics weren't met, then AA could exercise rights to pull some from the CPA...which they did exercise on some but all of what they could have...but now they are pulling those due to low demand. This should help create more spares to help the operation though, which has been a problem in the past


AA has pulled all of the ones allowed by the performance metrics plus two additional that they are still paying YV for but have advised YV they won't be flying. Due to performance, expect the YV fleet to continue to shrink until all of them can be pulled.

TonyClifton wrote:
There are nine pulled. I believe the 9th is 935LR which hasn't been painted yet as it was in storage in TUS.
N241LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N242LR - now in silver only paint scheme
N939LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N943LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N942LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N944LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N945LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N956LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery


Aren't the black and white birds still flying normally for AA? is there something there that I am missing? I know that UA isn't using them.


They are still able to be used in the AA system but haven't been getting regular use compared to how much they were being subbed during March & April. I had heard there were possible revenue penalties for YV if they use the black and white tails (i.e. only 66% of the CPA rate for using a black & white tail if due to MX) which would explain their lesser use.

All nine of the aircraft though aren't being paid for by AA so YV is on the hook for those leases (although I believe they outright own 942 and 956).
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Re: AA Eagle @ LAX

Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:32 am

alasizon wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
alasizon wrote:

AA has pulled all of the ones allowed by the performance metrics plus two additional that they are still paying YV for but have advised YV they won't be flying. Due to performance, expect the YV fleet to continue to shrink until all of them can be pulled.



Aren't the black and white birds still flying normally for AA? is there something there that I am missing? I know that UA isn't using them.


They are still able to be used in the AA system but haven't been getting regular use compared to how much they were being subbed during March & April. I had heard there were possible revenue penalties for YV if they use the black and white tails (i.e. only 66% of the CPA rate for using a black & white tail if due to MX) which would explain their lesser use.

All nine of the aircraft though aren't being paid for by AA so YV is on the hook for those leases (although I believe they outright own 942 and 956).

I wonder if the drawdown was for MAX scope compliance from the last year. If they had some CPA terms allowing them to be pulled, might have been the easiest way to comply.
 
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Re: AA Eagle @ LAX

Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:40 am

TonyClifton wrote:
alasizon wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:

Aren't the black and white birds still flying normally for AA? is there something there that I am missing? I know that UA isn't using them.


They are still able to be used in the AA system but haven't been getting regular use compared to how much they were being subbed during March & April. I had heard there were possible revenue penalties for YV if they use the black and white tails (i.e. only 66% of the CPA rate for using a black & white tail if due to MX) which would explain their lesser use.

All nine of the aircraft though aren't being paid for by AA so YV is on the hook for those leases (although I believe they outright own 942 and 956).

I wonder if the drawdown was for MAX scope compliance from the last year. If they had some CPA terms allowing them to be pulled, might have been the easiest way to comply.


The drawdown of the original nine were due to YV performance and to make room for additional E175s; the MAX scope compliance was achieved by parking some E140s.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:47 am

usxguy wrote:
I think all the original Freedom Air CRJ 900s had the rear door but were plugged.

You can see them @ the last window of each of these photos. (the HPX livery looked ssoo sharp on these birds)





Was there a galley in the back originally?
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:09 am

Ionosphere wrote:
usxguy wrote:
I think all the original Freedom Air CRJ 900s had the rear door but were plugged.

You can see them @ the last window of each of these photos. (the HPX livery looked ssoo sharp on these birds)





Was there a galley in the back originally?


Never on the Mesa birds but other carriers did select that option.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:03 pm

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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:40 pm

I saw a couple of E140s still with the old Eagle paint scheme yesterday at DFW. How many of those are still around?
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:34 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
I saw a couple of E140s still with the old Eagle paint scheme yesterday at DFW. How many of those are still around?

I’m showing two active E140s in the white legacy livery; N841AE and N842AE.
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:33 pm

I’m showing two active E140s in the white legacy livery; N841AE and N842AE.
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:07 pm

jgcotter wrote:
I’m showing two active E140s in the white legacy livery; N841AE and N842AE.


I thought I saw N805AE in the old paint a few weeks ago.
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:30 pm

MLIAA wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
I’m showing two active E140s in the white legacy livery; N841AE and N842AE.


I thought I saw N805AE in the old paint a few weeks ago.

OK, thanks!
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:45 pm

jgcotter wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
I saw a couple of E140s still with the old Eagle paint scheme yesterday at DFW. How many of those are still around?

I’m showing two active E140s in the white legacy livery; N841AE and N842AE.

N805AE was spotted by MLIAA in the legacy white livery a few weeks ago.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:52 pm

is there any update on when dca terminal d will open? mwaa said that it will open early, but did not give a schedule
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:57 pm

APC PSA board saying that the PSA bases in Knoxville and Norfolk are closing.
Been looking for confirmation, but no luck yet. Anyone have confirmation?
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:10 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
APC PSA board saying that the PSA bases in Knoxville and Norfolk are closing.
Been looking for confirmation, but no luck yet. Anyone have confirmation?


This is true, I can confirm this. Closing as of Oct 1st, at least looking at 250 Captains being downgraded and furloughing 600 pilots.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:05 pm

bigb wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
APC PSA board saying that the PSA bases in Knoxville and Norfolk are closing.
Been looking for confirmation, but no luck yet. Anyone have confirmation?


This is true, I can confirm this. Closing as of Oct 1st, at least looking at 250 Captains being downgraded and furloughing 600 pilots.

Ugh...
600 out of 2500-ish?? How deep does the seniority cut, I wonder?
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:31 pm

600 out of 2100 pilots, it’s really deep (late 2018 hires). Junior Captain is projected to be mid 2017 hire. Projecting about 1500 pilots on property after this cut.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:20 am

aaflyer222 wrote:
is there any update on when dca terminal d will open? mwaa said that it will open early, but did not give a schedule


Open early? Do you mean before consolidated security/national hall project?
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:59 pm

graham697 wrote:
aaflyer222 wrote:
is there any update on when dca terminal d will open? mwaa said that it will open early, but did not give a schedule


Open early? Do you mean before consolidated security/national hall project?


Early 2021.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:25 pm

Any word on the Eagle’s Nest in LAX? I heard somewhere it’s permanently closed and being gutted?
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:42 pm

Per Republic's Instagram page, N403YX is now in the house livery. With the E190 and 757 retiring early and the Max still parked, AA is over scope limits, so I'd imagine we'll be seeing more of this. Does anyone have an updated count of how many frames Mesa has in their house livery? I believe there were 4 done last year. The other low-hanging fruit are the remaining 70-seat CRJs at SKW. Are any of those still flying?

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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:29 pm

GSOtoIND wrote:
Does anyone have an updated count of how many frames Mesa has in their house livery? I believe there were 4 done last year.


From a prior post of mine.
alasizon wrote:
N241LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N242LR - now in silver only paint scheme
N939LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N943LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N942LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N944LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery
N945LR - now in silver only paint scheme
N956LR - now in generic Mesa black and white livery

N938LR is also now in silver (silver decals covering the AA livery)

GSOtoIND wrote:
The other low-hanging fruit are the remaining 70-seat CRJs at SKW. Are any of those still flying?

Negative, they are all 65 seat aircraft now. AA doesn't have to be fully scope compliant for COVID for another 11 months, only for the published retirements currently (they were already MAX compliant).

Piedmont announced the other day they were retiring five aircraft bringing them down to a fleet of 55.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:13 am

GSOtoIND wrote:
Per Republic's Instagram page, N403YX is now in the house livery. With the E190 and 757 retiring early and the Max still parked, AA is over scope limits, so I'd imagine we'll be seeing more of this. Does anyone have an updated count of how many frames Mesa has in their house livery? I believe there were 4 done last year. The other low-hanging fruit are the remaining 70-seat CRJs at SKW. Are any of those still flying?

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CC8-bmphPlp ... fh8tv10gcc


Rumor has it that AA’s scope language specifies maximum number of aircraft in American colors, not necessarily actual aircraft operating for them.

Here’s my question: If YX and YV change the paint to whatever their generic livery is, does this comply with scope and reduce the number of large RJs? Are these aircraft still on CPA? I’d assume if the regionals are still being paid to operate them then it’d be in violation of scope.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:02 am

JohnPettimore wrote:
Rumor has it that AA’s scope language specifies maximum number of aircraft in American colors, not necessarily actual aircraft operating for them.

Here’s my question: If YX and YV change the paint to whatever their generic livery is, does this comply with scope and reduce the number of large RJs? Are these aircraft still on CPA? I’d assume if the regionals are still being paid to operate them then it’d be in violation of scope.


My guess (completely uneducated fwiw) is that they can only operate it as a spare, or in place of another bird that's in the maintenance hangar. I'm surprised 403 got the new paint, considering its one of YX's newer batch of AA 175's. I'd think they'd put an older bird (-HQ series, legacy US Airways Express) in that paint especially if it wasn't going to get used as much.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:45 am

GSOtoIND wrote:
Per Republic's Instagram page, N403YX is now in the house livery. With the E190 and 757 retiring early and the Max still parked, AA is over scope limits, so I'd imagine we'll be seeing more of this. Does anyone have an updated count of how many frames Mesa has in their house livery? I believe there were 4 done last year. The other low-hanging fruit are the remaining 70-seat CRJs at SKW. Are any of those still flying?

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CC8-bmphPlp ... fh8tv10gcc

I know that several birds are scheduled through Lake City in the coming weeks. Too many difficulties getting back and forth across the border. Going to White Tails???
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:49 am

airplanedaj wrote:
JohnPettimore wrote:
Rumor has it that AA’s scope language specifies maximum number of aircraft in American colors, not necessarily actual aircraft operating for them.

Here’s my question: If YX and YV change the paint to whatever their generic livery is, does this comply with scope and reduce the number of large RJs? Are these aircraft still on CPA? I’d assume if the regionals are still being paid to operate them then it’d be in violation of scope.


My guess (completely uneducated fwiw) is that they can only operate it as a spare, or in place of another bird that's in the maintenance hangar. I'm surprised 403 got the new paint, considering its one of YX's newer batch of AA 175's. I'd think they'd put an older bird (-HQ series, legacy US Airways Express) in that paint especially if it wasn't going to get used as much.


Pre-Covid, there was always an issue finding spares to cover hard breakdowns. I imagine this will join the other two white tails as system spares. They could also be looking to get back into the charter business???
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:12 am

JohnPettimore wrote:

Rumor has it that AA’s scope language specifies maximum number of aircraft in American colors, not necessarily actual aircraft operating for them.

Here’s my question: If YX and YV change the paint to whatever their generic livery is, does this comply with scope and reduce the number of large RJs? Are these aircraft still on CPA? I’d assume if the regionals are still being paid to operate them then it’d be in violation of scope.


The scope is based on allocated frames through capacity purchase agreements, it has nothing to do with what paint the frame is in. Whenever OO swaps in one of their five generic 700s (four of which are in the 65 seat layout while one is in the 70 seat layout for use at UA), they don’t count towards the number of frames scheduled for the month, they are simply being used to cover for an OOS aircraft.

More than likely the YX contract is being trimmed by a few birds and YX chose to convert them to generic spares. Since YX has the original Mid-Atlantic birds, those aircraft are likely stuck under the AA contract since they don't have the same flexibility range and performance wise when compared with the newer 175s.

The reason YV has chosen to paint so many frames and keep them around (they started with 64 under CPA and are down to 54) is because they are fighting to get decent performance in order to prevent more from being taken away and Orenstein has publicly said he doesn't care how many spares it takes to get there.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:45 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
Per Republic's Instagram page, N403YX is now in the house livery. With the E190 and 757 retiring early and the Max still parked, AA is over scope limits, so I'd imagine we'll be seeing more of this. Does anyone have an updated count of how many frames Mesa has in their house livery? I believe there were 4 done last year. The other low-hanging fruit are the remaining 70-seat CRJs at SKW. Are any of those still flying?

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CC8-bmphPlp ... fh8tv10gcc

I know that several birds are scheduled through Lake City in the coming weeks. Too many difficulties getting back and forth across the border. Going to White Tails???

I see that 401 just came back from LCQ this evening, and 403 left IND to take its place. These are the oldest of the LAA Embraers that were delivered in July 2013. I guess they were on a 7-year CPA, and American is letting the contracts expire. It'll be interesting to see how many get this treatment.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:51 am

alasizon wrote:
Negative, they are all 65 seat aircraft now. AA doesn't have to be fully scope compliant for COVID for another 11 months, only for the published retirements currently (they were already MAX compliant).

Piedmont announced the other day they were retiring five aircraft bringing them down to a fleet of 55.

Very interesting and insightful. Thanks.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:58 pm

GSOtoIND wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
Per Republic's Instagram page, N403YX is now in the house livery. With the E190 and 757 retiring early and the Max still parked, AA is over scope limits, so I'd imagine we'll be seeing more of this. Does anyone have an updated count of how many frames Mesa has in their house livery? I believe there were 4 done last year. The other low-hanging fruit are the remaining 70-seat CRJs at SKW. Are any of those still flying?

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CC8-bmphPlp ... fh8tv10gcc

I know that several birds are scheduled through Lake City in the coming weeks. Too many difficulties getting back and forth across the border. Going to White Tails???

I see that 401 just came back from LCQ this evening, and 403 left IND to take its place. These are the oldest of the LAA Embraers that were delivered in July 2013. I guess they were on a 7-year CPA, and American is letting the contracts expire. It'll be interesting to see how many get this treatment.


You sure about this? Bedford was quoted in an Airways Magazine article (October 2017) that CPA’s expire between 2023-2028 (besides for 6 DL 170s which have already expired).
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:57 pm

JohnPettimore wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
I know that several birds are scheduled through Lake City in the coming weeks. Too many difficulties getting back and forth across the border. Going to White Tails???

I see that 401 just came back from LCQ this evening, and 403 left IND to take its place. These are the oldest of the LAA Embraers that were delivered in July 2013. I guess they were on a 7-year CPA, and American is letting the contracts expire. It'll be interesting to see how many get this treatment.


You sure about this? Bedford was quoted in an Airways Magazine article (October 2017) that CPA’s expire between 2023-2028 (besides for 6 DL 170s which have already expired).

I wasn't sure at all. It was a guess given that the three frames were the first in their cohort, and are being painted around the anniversary of their EIS. Maybe there was some early termination options that could be used by a certain date? I'm spitballing here.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:25 am

GSOtoIND wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Negative, they are all 65 seat aircraft now. AA doesn't have to be fully scope compliant for COVID for another 11 months, only for the published retirements currently (they were already MAX compliant).

Piedmont announced the other day they were retiring five aircraft bringing them down to a fleet of 55.

Very interesting and insightful. Thanks.


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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:43 pm

How would the scope clause work is some of these flights became code-shares rather than capacity agreements?
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:04 am

NameOmitted wrote:
How would the scope clause work is some of these flights became code-shares rather than capacity agreements?


A codeshare wouldn't work, none of the regionals are setup to sell their own tickets and maintain the required staffing and systems. If you are talking at-risk/pro-rate flying, only OO has the infrastructure in place to handle that and given they pulled all their AA* pro-rate flying at the start of COVID, that is pretty telling.

Likewise, AA would like to keep good relations with their pilots, not piss them off.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:53 pm

I saw on Instagram today one of the blank silver Mesa CRJ-900s (N242LR). This just looks so strange. I wonder why Mesa is painting some in their house colors and leaving others blank?
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:24 pm

E140 N803AE is en route from DFW to MZJ for retirement.
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:25 pm

E140 N804AE is en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement.
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:26 pm

E140 N805AE is en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:51 pm

Envoy E140 N803AE is en route from DFW to MZJ for retirement.

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