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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:01 pm

SWALUV wrote:
Does anyone have information on the 20 175's that were ordered for SkyWest? I'm assuming they have been postponed, but haven't been able to find any information on them.


These are actually ordered by Skywest. Deliveries are schedule for 4th quarter 2021 through mid-2022.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:01 am

MO11 wrote:
SWALUV wrote:
Does anyone have information on the 20 175's that were ordered for SkyWest? I'm assuming they have been postponed, but haven't been able to find any information on them.


These are actually ordered by Skywest. Deliveries are schedule for 4th quarter 2021 through mid-2022.


My mistake! Appreciate the info.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:30 am

SWALUV wrote:
Does anyone have information on the 20 175's that were ordered for SkyWest? I'm assuming they have been postponed, but haven't been able to find any information on them.


Last OO conference call they said Q4 of 2021 they go into service.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:43 pm

SWALUV wrote:
Does anyone have information on the 20 175's that were ordered for SkyWest? I'm assuming they have been postponed, but haven't been able to find any information on them.


In one of the SkyWest earnings releases it was revealed they are postponed until 3Q2021 for entry into service 4Q2021.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:16 pm

Is PSA getting more east coast flying with their recent announcement of new hire pilot classes?
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:38 pm

toga998 wrote:
Is PSA getting more east coast flying with their recent announcement of new hire pilot classes?


Doubt it, there was a high number of attrition from the pilot ranks even after the furloughs. A lot of the recalled pilots who have taken recalls are waiting to see if the company will offer LOAs. If not, they will resigns if they found greener pastures. There is also a lot of recalled pilots who will not go back to PSA as well as they didn’t rely on PSA as a primary income.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:27 pm

jgcotter wrote:
arc727 wrote:
UA748i wrote:
According to a company memo I have in front of me, it appears that the last 6x E175s will NOT be delivered to MQ.

"Given the ongoing impact of the pandemic on our business, AAG has informed us that it will not take delivery of the last six Embraer 175 aircraft that were due to enter service with Envoy in 2021.

Envoy continues to work with AAG on updates to our fleet plan and we're optimistic about the future."


So I wonder if we can assume these same 6x E175s will be the ones delivered to YX instead.

Since YX has already taken delivery of 294, I think we can conclude that 295, 296, 297, 301 and 303 will be going to YX as well. Once the 7 remaining Compass birds in the desert are assimilated into the MQ fleet, MQ will have a fleet of 98 x E175 on property.


Will the Remaining 7 be called out of the desert? If they are not accepting delivery of factory new birds would they still take the used ones?
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:54 pm

battlegroup62 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
arc727 wrote:

So I wonder if we can assume these same 6x E175s will be the ones delivered to YX instead.

Since YX has already taken delivery of 294, I think we can conclude that 295, 296, 297, 301 and 303 will be going to YX as well. Once the 7 remaining Compass birds in the desert are assimilated into the MQ fleet, MQ will have a fleet of 98 x E175 on property.


Will the Remaining 7 be called out of the desert? If they are not accepting delivery of factory new birds would they still take the used ones?


Envoy has announced internally that the last 6 factory birds will not be received (294, 295, 296, 297, 299, 301, and 303).

The 7 in MZJ have already been paid for, they will enter service at some point.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:29 pm

MLIAA wrote:
battlegroup62 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Since YX has already taken delivery of 294, I think we can conclude that 295, 296, 297, 301 and 303 will be going to YX as well. Once the 7 remaining Compass birds in the desert are assimilated into the MQ fleet, MQ will have a fleet of 98 x E175 on property.


Will the Remaining 7 be called out of the desert? If they are not accepting delivery of factory new birds would they still take the used ones?


Envoy has announced internally that the last 6 factory birds will not be received (294, 295, 296, 297, 299, 301, and 303).

The 7 in MZJ have already been paid for, they will enter service at some point.

299 is already in revenue service with Envoy.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:24 am

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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:43 pm

jgcotter wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
battlegroup62 wrote:

Will the Remaining 7 be called out of the desert? If they are not accepting delivery of factory new birds would they still take the used ones?


Envoy has announced internally that the last 6 factory birds will not be received (294, 295, 296, 297, 299, 301, and 303).

The 7 in MZJ have already been paid for, they will enter service at some point.

299 is already in revenue service with Envoy.


Right you are. 304 must be the 6th one going to YX.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:54 pm

RJET to close its Miami crew base effective April 1. With loss of MIA flying, RJET will be gaining "Northeast" flying from AA in return.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... se-in-2q21
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:24 pm

LAXintl wrote:
RJET to close its Miami crew base effective April 1. With loss of MIA flying, RJET will be gaining "Northeast" flying from AA in return.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... se-in-2q21

Read: Expect Republic to take over some of that E145 flying out of NYC
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:16 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
RJET to close its Miami crew base effective April 1. With loss of MIA flying, RJET will be gaining "Northeast" flying from AA in return.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... se-in-2q21

Read: Expect Republic to take over some of that E145 flying out of NYC

yep i guess republic is going back to being the northeast specialist they were always best at with the deepest crew and maintenace reserves in that area so they operate more reliably and presumably at lower costs their
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:38 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
RJET to close its Miami crew base effective April 1. With loss of MIA flying, RJET will be gaining "Northeast" flying from AA in return.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... se-in-2q21

Read: Expect Republic to take over some of that E145 flying out of NYC


The new (to AA) 65-seat 170s will be taking over whatever the -145 routes were.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:09 am

ahj2000 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
RJET to close its Miami crew base effective April 1. With loss of MIA flying, RJET will be gaining "Northeast" flying from AA in return.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... se-in-2q21

Read: Expect Republic to take over some of that E145 flying out of NYC


American is pulling down the 145 flying out of NYC in favor of the 170/175 and B6.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:01 pm

Not sure where we stand with the Envoy E140's however AA just loaded there Mar 4 schedule which still shows quite a few E140 flights out of DFW including DRT-2, MHK-3, SJT-2, TXK-2...
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:21 pm

Envoy E175's coming to PHX with the Mar 4 schedule change.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:47 pm

Chuska wrote:
Envoy E175's coming to PHX with the Mar 4 schedule change.


Envoy has been in PHX since DEC with the launch of PHX-LIT.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:52 pm

alasizon wrote:
Chuska wrote:
Envoy E175's coming to PHX with the Mar 4 schedule change.


Envoy has been in PHX since DEC with the launch of PHX-LIT.

Missed that, looks like one lone Envoy Eagle into PHX. Thanks for pointing that out. I see at least one PHX-ABQ on Mar 4.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:34 pm

Chuska wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Chuska wrote:
Envoy E175's coming to PHX with the Mar 4 schedule change.


Envoy has been in PHX since DEC with the launch of PHX-LIT.

Missed that, looks like one lone Envoy Eagle into PHX. Thanks for pointing that out. I see at least one PHX-ABQ on Mar 4.


Envoy has been running PHX-LIT 4x weekly in Jan and Feb, LIT goes daily in March. PHX-MEM has been on Envoy 2x daily for Jan and Feb, goes back to Mesa in March. PHX-EUG has one of the frequencies going to Envoy to feed the DFW-EUG flight. So Envoy will still be 3x daily in PHX for March, 1 ABQ, 1 EUG and 1 LIT.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:35 pm

KCaviator wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
RJET to close its Miami crew base effective April 1. With loss of MIA flying, RJET will be gaining "Northeast" flying from AA in return.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... se-in-2q21

Read: Expect Republic to take over some of that E145 flying out of NYC


The new (to AA) 65-seat 170s will be taking over whatever the -145 routes were.


Republic apparently has 22 DL E170s and it was reported that Republic is shifting 22 jets to AA. Same jets? Or, some other combo of YX jets?
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:45 pm

rsgolfpunk wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
Read: Expect Republic to take over some of that E145 flying out of NYC


The new (to AA) 65-seat 170s will be taking over whatever the -145 routes were.


Republic apparently has 22 DL E170s and it was reported that Republic is shifting 22 jets to AA. Same jets? Or, some other combo of YX jets?


Yes, same jets. YX is shifting 22 DL 170s to a 65-seat layout for AA. So losing 22 DL-colored birds but gaining 22 for AA. Net gain/loss of zero.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:23 pm

KCaviator wrote:
rsgolfpunk wrote:
KCaviator wrote:

The new (to AA) 65-seat 170s will be taking over whatever the -145 routes were.


Republic apparently has 22 DL E170s and it was reported that Republic is shifting 22 jets to AA. Same jets? Or, some other combo of YX jets?


Yes, same jets. YX is shifting 22 DL 170s to a 65-seat layout for AA. So losing 22 DL-colored birds but gaining 22 for AA. Net gain/loss of zero.

Technically, YX is shifting 16 x DL 65-seat E170s and 6 x new-built 76-seat E175s to AA flying. So offsetting net 22 draw down of DL and 22 plus up of AA.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:23 am

jgcotter wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
rsgolfpunk wrote:

Republic apparently has 22 DL E170s and it was reported that Republic is shifting 22 jets to AA. Same jets? Or, some other combo of YX jets?


Yes, same jets. YX is shifting 22 DL 170s to a 65-seat layout for AA. So losing 22 DL-colored birds but gaining 22 for AA. Net gain/loss of zero.

Technically, YX is shifting 16 x DL 65-seat E170s and 6 x new-built 76-seat E175s to AA flying. So offsetting net 22 draw down of DL and 22 plus up of AA.


This is accurate, thanks for the correction!
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:26 am

rsgolfpunk wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
Read: Expect Republic to take over some of that E145 flying out of NYC


The new (to AA) 65-seat 170s will be taking over whatever the -145 routes were.


Republic apparently has 22 DL E170s and it was reported that Republic is shifting 22 jets to AA. Same jets? Or, some other combo of YX jets?

Aren’t they also the exact same airframes that flew for US from 2006 to 2015ish?
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:02 am

jmc1975 wrote:
rsgolfpunk wrote:
KCaviator wrote:

The new (to AA) 65-seat 170s will be taking over whatever the -145 routes were.


Republic apparently has 22 DL E170s and it was reported that Republic is shifting 22 jets to AA. Same jets? Or, some other combo of YX jets?

Aren’t they also the exact same airframes that flew for US from 2006 to 2015ish?

There are 9 E170’s that remain in the fleet that were delivered to Mid Atlantic for US Airways. These planes carry non sequential registration numbers between 806-826 and end with MD. The majority of the MidAtlantic fleet we had was returned to lessors back in 2016 when we had the massive return day. I wanna say something like 20 170’s were all flown to Rome, NY over the course of a day and those planes now fly mostly for S7 Airlines.

Of the 9 MD’s left, 806, 821 and 826 are all currently flying as our company logo planes and they are exclusively used for charters currently. The other six fly under Delta. The remainder of the Delta 170 fleet carries registrations of 860, 867 through 874 as well as 5 non sequential between 875 and 882 (ex compass, DL owned), all ending in RW as well as the old logo jet, 357FC, that gives you 21 planes. The 22nd jet is the sixth delta owned 170 we had that caught fire and was written off.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:56 pm

E175 N214NN is en route from AVW to BNA for conformity checks to enter revenue service with Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N214NN
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:27 am

With DL losing the 22 YX 170s to Eagle, what will DL do to make up for the loss? Losing 22 frames seems pretty significant. Will Endeavour or Skywest pick up some of the lost flying that the Republic 170s once covered?
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:35 am

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With DL losing the 22 YX 170s to Eagle, what will DL do to make up for the loss? Losing 22 frames seems pretty significant. Will Endeavour or Skywest pick up some of the lost flying that the Republic 170s once covered?


Scope shrink at Delta, with the loss of Compass (and the associated flown down, for pilots), Delta lost 35 large RJ's. They will convert some CR9's to 70 seats to fill in the 70 seat lift, and reduce the number of hulls to the 76 seat limit.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:46 am

E175 N213NN is en route from BNA to DFW to enter revenue service with Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N213NN
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:49 pm

E175 N217NN is en route from AVW to ABI for conformity checks to enter revenue service with Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N217NN
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:59 pm

I'm hoping someone can explain something to me. I don't understand what SkyWest means when they say "ratably". They've used the term a couple of times now with regards to the 25 CRJ-700s they are adding in 2021. Is it related to the rate paid by AA or is it related to a type rating or something else entirely. But it's driving me mad.

Flying contract with American for CRJ700 aircraft
SkyWest anticipates placing 25 additional CRJ700 aircraft into service with American ratably throughout 2021.

https://inc.skywest.com/assets/Uploads/ ... elease.pdf - Page 3.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:22 pm

dalmit wrote:
I'm hoping someone can explain something to me. I don't understand what SkyWest means when they say "ratably". They've used the term a couple of times now with regards to the 25 CRJ-700s they are adding in 2021. Is it related to the rate paid by AA or is it related to a type rating or something else entirely. But it's driving me mad.

Flying contract with American for CRJ700 aircraft
SkyWest anticipates placing 25 additional CRJ700 aircraft into service with American ratably throughout 2021.

https://inc.skywest.com/assets/Uploads/ ... elease.pdf - Page 3.


Ratably just means in small batches - not all at once. Basically as scope room re-opens in the AA scope they will add them on.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:50 pm

Looks like 5/5 will be the E140 phase out now:

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/american-retire-e140/
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:45 am

jgcotter wrote:
Looks like 5/5 will be the E140 phase out now:

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/american-retire-e140/


Between December 2019 and December 2020 AA/Envoy retired 41 E140's and currently have 10 remaining in their active fleet. This will be the 2nd time the E140 type will be retired. The first retirements were back in 2014-15, but they were returned to service during 2018 when traffic was booming.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Envoy
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:53 pm

3 weeks ago

E175 N215NN ferried from AVW to ABI yesterday for conformity checks to enter revenue service with Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N215NN
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:25 pm

E140 N822AE is en route from DFW to MZJ for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N822AE
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:39 pm

E140 N854AE is en route from DFW to MZJ for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N854AE
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:39 pm

Envoy announced today the addition of 6 Embraer 170 aircraft.

Anyone know where these 6 are coming from?
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:06 pm

BA CityFlyer have just disposed of six E170s, so would seem the likely source.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:36 pm

How interesting that Envoy would hand off 6 new-build E175s to Republic then acquire 6 x 11 year old, 76 seat E170s from BA CityFlyer. Love to hear the back-story on that.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:44 pm

jgcotter wrote:
How interesting that Envoy would hand off 6 new-build E175s to Republic then acquire 6 x 11 year old, 76 seat E170s from BA CityFlyer. Love to hear the back-story on that.


I'm sure it's all scope related, but are we sure that this brings 6 MQ plus 6 YX E170s to AA? Would be good imo if true
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:02 pm

sagechan wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
How interesting that Envoy would hand off 6 new-build E175s to Republic then acquire 6 x 11 year old, 76 seat E170s from BA CityFlyer. Love to hear the back-story on that.


I'm sure it's all scope related, but are we sure that this brings 6 MQ plus 6 YX E170s to AA? Would be good imo if true


Being capped to 65 seats is scope related but adding an additional 6 E170s to MQ while giving the six E175s to YX doesn't seem to make much sense - why not just contract with YX for 22 E170s (YX is adding 16 E170s, not 6)? YX already was pulling down 22 planes from the DL side. I think there is more going on here that hasn't been announced yet.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:19 pm

alasizon wrote:
sagechan wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
How interesting that Envoy would hand off 6 new-build E175s to Republic then acquire 6 x 11 year old, 76 seat E170s from BA CityFlyer. Love to hear the back-story on that.


I'm sure it's all scope related, but are we sure that this brings 6 MQ plus 6 YX E170s to AA? Would be good imo if true


Being capped to 65 seats is scope related but adding an additional 6 E170s to MQ while giving the six E175s to YX doesn't seem to make much sense - why not just contract with YX for 22 E170s (YX is adding 16 E170s, not 6)? YX already was pulling down 22 planes from the DL side. I think there is more going on here that hasn't been announced yet.


So are the 6 170s that MQ is receiving actually coming from YX (the 6 leftover DL 170s)?

None of this makes sense.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:30 pm

KCaviator wrote:
alasizon wrote:
sagechan wrote:

I'm sure it's all scope related, but are we sure that this brings 6 MQ plus 6 YX E170s to AA? Would be good imo if true


Being capped to 65 seats is scope related but adding an additional 6 E170s to MQ while giving the six E175s to YX doesn't seem to make much sense - why not just contract with YX for 22 E170s (YX is adding 16 E170s, not 6)? YX already was pulling down 22 planes from the DL side. I think there is more going on here that hasn't been announced yet.


So are the 6 170s that MQ is receiving actually coming from YX (the 6 leftover DL 170s)?

None of this makes sense.


I don’t think so, they are coming from Europe.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:15 am

Company news about 6 E-170's https://www.envoyair.com/news/
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:51 am

alasizon wrote:
sagechan wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
How interesting that Envoy would hand off 6 new-build E175s to Republic then acquire 6 x 11 year old, 76 seat E170s from BA CityFlyer. Love to hear the back-story on that.


I'm sure it's all scope related, but are we sure that this brings 6 MQ plus 6 YX E170s to AA? Would be good imo if true


Being capped to 65 seats is scope related but adding an additional 6 E170s to MQ while giving the six E175s to YX doesn't seem to make much sense - why not just contract with YX for 22 E170s (YX is adding 16 E170s, not 6)? YX already was pulling down 22 planes from the DL side. I think there is more going on here that hasn't been announced yet.


Assuming these are the City flyer birds, it does make sense for Envoy to fly some since it's better size for some markets and MQ has different markets than YX (and below scope)
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:35 am

sagechan wrote:
alasizon wrote:
sagechan wrote:

I'm sure it's all scope related, but are we sure that this brings 6 MQ plus 6 YX E170s to AA? Would be good imo if true


Being capped to 65 seats is scope related but adding an additional 6 E170s to MQ while giving the six E175s to YX doesn't seem to make much sense - why not just contract with YX for 22 E170s (YX is adding 16 E170s, not 6)? YX already was pulling down 22 planes from the DL side. I think there is more going on here that hasn't been announced yet.


Assuming these are the City flyer birds, it does make sense for Envoy to fly some since it's better size for some markets and MQ has different markets than YX (and below scope)


Not saying you're wrong - but do you have any particular market pairs in mind? Most MQ markets are also covered by OO's CR7s and MQ's own E145s, I have a hard time seeing where they explicitly need a 65-seat E170 versus out of the Northeast for YX it makes a bit more sense.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:40 am

alasizon wrote:
sagechan wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Being capped to 65 seats is scope related but adding an additional 6 E170s to MQ while giving the six E175s to YX doesn't seem to make much sense - why not just contract with YX for 22 E170s (YX is adding 16 E170s, not 6)? YX already was pulling down 22 planes from the DL side. I think there is more going on here that hasn't been announced yet.


Assuming these are the City flyer birds, it does make sense for Envoy to fly some since it's better size for some markets and MQ has different markets than YX (and below scope)


Not saying you're wrong - but do you have any particular market pairs in mind? Most MQ markets are also covered by OO's CR7s and MQ's own E145s, I have a hard time seeing where they explicitly need a 65-seat E170 versus out of the Northeast for YX it makes a bit more sense.


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