FlyingElvii wrote:

MLIAA wrote:

Proposed December schedule is out with 0 E145 flights in DFW, markets like ABI and COU going E175 while DRT and GCK go CRJ7.

What about Stillwater??

The schedule is not final but it shows 2X daily OO CRJ-700 from DFW.

USAirKid wrote:

N415XJ wrote:

So, with Envoy eliminating E145 flying what will happen to flights to MQT (Marquette, Michigan), given the maintenance base there? Will the airport see 175s (which I'd be surprised if they can fill), or might something else happen? God forbid the maintenance center gets shut down.

They’ll run the 175s there. Empty ferry flights are a thing, but if you can fly the flight with passengers any revenue is just gravy..

Doesn't AA have some kind of long term contractual requirement in MQT?

I seem to remember something about that from several years ago, can't remember if it was DOD or Longshoreman's?

bkircher wrote:

Hey there to all, so if AA is gonna be phasing out Mesa with Air Wisconsin coming in to operate for them on the east coast, who is gonna be taking over all of Mesas ops on the west coast?

MQ and OO.

N383SW wrote:

alasizon wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

Yes, but I can’t see them swapping in CR2s for CR9s, that’s not using the scope limitations efficiently whatsoever.

To add 40 aircraft - 40 have to depart.

I think this is strictly a short term deal for AA to use a carrier that has a decent number of pilots to accomplish some flying right now that would otherwise have aircraft parked. Mesa can't staff even 20 planes right now and by March it will only get worse so you are trading parked aircraft for actual aircraft in the sky which makes AA far more money than parked planes.

It was noted upthread that MQ will wind down the 145’s to be a 170/175 carrier sending 15 of the 145’s to PT with the rest being parked. I’m guessing these CR2’s will be backfilling that lost 50 seat capacity.

I can easily see AW picking up much of the short range ORD flying, and some of the Upper Midwest EAS opportunities as well. Especially with a downturn on the horizon.

PIA,CID,RST, AZO, LAN, etc...

All easily serviceable from the already existing ATW and Milwaukee bases.

jbs2886 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

Yes, but I can’t see them swapping in CR2s for CR9s, that’s not using the scope limitations efficiently whatsoever.

To add 40 aircraft - 40 have to depart.

I don't think that's accurate, 70% of the fleet is a lot of space and it doesn't look like AA is anyway close to that cap. American has also had way more 50-seaters

OO is 110 ish aircraft currently (I believe it is supposed to be 130, 110 CRJs and 20 E175s)
YX is 110 ish as well
MQ will be at 130 E170s/E175s by end of next year
PSA is about 130
Piedmont will have 60 145s on property

That totals up to 540 aircraft. Add in an additional 40 from Air Whisky and that makes it 580 plus the additional 20 from SkyWest and that brings you to 600.

I just looked re-looked up the scope clause and it is actually 75% of the narrowbody fleet count. Which assuming roughly 810 narrowbodies by next year allows for 607 planes. That leaves Mesa and their 40 contracted planes out in the cold (all of which count towards scope clause since that is what the agreement is signed for regardless of how many are flying).

I believe AA has done some upgauging from ERJs to CR7s in the last few years because they're now in the same scope category, so I imagine they'll just downgauge some current CR7 routes out of ORD to the CRJ when ZW comes online, freeing up the OO CR7s to replace YV flying in PHX and DFW.

FlyingElvii wrote:

capwatts86 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

None of those will be coming back to MQ, the 15 frames will be moved to PT and that will be the end of the 145 at MQ.

They haven't released which 15 frames will go to Piedmont. It was published that E-145's were parked due to upcoming mtx checks regardless of aircraft age. 677 687 680 688 are rather new compared to 605 606 607.

Jetsuite just registered a BUNCH of 145's to itself.

I can imagine this includes many of the recently parked birds.

The 47 aircraft registered to Delux Public Charter (JSX) are all ex United Express aircraft.

Bear242 wrote:

Question do anyone know where the 15 E170 that Envoy is getting are coming from ??????

Yes.

But I can't say.

Bear242 wrote:

Question do anyone know where the 15 E170 that Envoy is getting are coming from ??????

Either A5 S7 YX or SV I believe but from what I can tell I'm guessing it's A5 unless I'm reading this wrong.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Hop ... y-e170.htm

JohanTally wrote:

Bear242 wrote:

Question do anyone know where the 15 E170 that Envoy is getting are coming from ??????

Either A5 S7 YX or SV I believe but from what I can tell I'm guessing it's A5 unless I'm reading this wrong.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Hop ... y-e170.htm

S7 would seem very doubtful.
SV only have five in storage, the rest have been variously broken up around the world.
A5 do still have thirteen which added to two already stateside (278GE and 280GE) would neatly make 15.

Although I do neatly ignore 240NC and 921NC in that summation!

Although I do neatly ignore 240NC and 921NC in that summation!

JohanTally wrote:

Bear242 wrote:

Question do anyone know where the 15 E170 that Envoy is getting are coming from ??????

Either A5 S7 YX or SV I believe but from what I can tell I'm guessing it's A5 unless I'm reading this wrong.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Hop ... y-e170.htm

I'd go with YX. They can't staff things, and aren't likely to anytime in the future. If BB can lease them to Envoy, why not make some money off them?

MQ E145 N667GB is en route from DFW to MZJ for retirement.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N667GB

I don't know if anyone would find this interesting...

Carbondale, Illinois (MDH Airport) in agreement with SIU (Southern Illinois University) will be doing Maintenance Work on the American Eagle CRJ900's operated by Mesa.

Mesa has flown 3 CRJ900's into MDH now.

N913LR
N911FJ
N924FJ

Source: https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/n ... on-project

Alex

atrude777 wrote:

I don't know if anyone would find this interesting...

Carbondale, Illinois (MDH Airport) in agreement with SIU (Southern Illinois University) will be doing Maintenance Work on the American Eagle CRJ900's operated by Mesa.

Mesa has flown 3 CRJ900's into MDH now.

N913LR
N911FJ
N924FJ

Source: https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/n ... on-project

Alex

Can’t find mechanics to work for what they want to pay, so using a school to do it…

What’s next? Purdue?

DiamondFlyer wrote:

JohanTally wrote:

Bear242 wrote:

Question do anyone know where the 15 E170 that Envoy is getting are coming from ??????

Either A5 S7 YX or SV I believe but from what I can tell I'm guessing it's A5 unless I'm reading this wrong.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Hop ... y-e170.htm

I'd go with YX. They can't staff things, and aren't likely to anytime in the future. If BB can lease them to Envoy, why not make some money off them?

I’m going to respectfully go with A5. With two already in GYR, their 13 more will make the 15 MQ is looking to add, in addition to the NCs already on board, (in MZJ).

FlyingElvii wrote:

atrude777 wrote:

I don't know if anyone would find this interesting...

Carbondale, Illinois (MDH Airport) in agreement with SIU (Southern Illinois University) will be doing Maintenance Work on the American Eagle CRJ900's operated by Mesa.

Mesa has flown 3 CRJ900's into MDH now.

N913LR
N911FJ
N924FJ

Source: https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/n ... on-project

Alex

Can’t find mechanics to work for what they want to pay, so using a school to do it…

What’s next? Purdue?

The article only mentions Southern Illinois University in relation to the fact that it is a tenant:

Besides being home to SIU flight, aviation management and automotive technology programs, the airport is home to numerous businesses

It doesn't state that students will be working on Mesa airplanes.

You can get drunk and high at the airport though:

He acknowledged tenants, including the National Guard, Aviation Insurance, SIH disaster response team, Code 1 Aviation, Crucial MRO, Air Methods, Enhanced Aero, Yates Awning, GRNE Solar, ISEO marijuana cultivators, and St. Nicholas Brewing Co.

"We are the only airport in the United States that brews beer and grows pot, and we're proud of it," Shafer said.

FlyingElvii wrote:

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Can’t find mechanics to work for what they want to pay, so using a school to do it…

What’s next? Purdue?

Hahaha, ya I didn't word that right.

It's a business on the airport property and SIU Campus that will be doing the MX Work.

It's neat though to see the AA CR9 arrive into MDH!

USAirKid wrote:

The article only mentions Southern Illinois University in relation to the fact that it is a tenant:

Besides being home to SIU flight, aviation management and automotive technology programs, the airport is home to numerous businesses

It doesn't state that students will be working on Mesa airplanes.

You can get drunk and high at the airport though:

He acknowledged tenants, including the National Guard, Aviation Insurance, SIH disaster response team, Code 1 Aviation, Crucial MRO, Air Methods, Enhanced Aero, Yates Awning, GRNE Solar, ISEO marijuana cultivators, and St. Nicholas Brewing Co.

"We are the only airport in the United States that brews beer and grows pot, and we're proud of it," Shafer said.

I went to the brewery, it's so awesome to grab a drink and watch the planes come and go!

I am an SIU Alum, 2012 Graduate in Aviation Mgmt, and having 3 CRJ900's at MDH is the most I have ever seen! I am heading back to Carbondale this weekend. Will need to see if they are still there.

Someone at SIU got a video of it as well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTrAwrU9kBg&t=66s

Alex

The Mesa CR9s in MDH are going there for long term storage, it's all the ones they can't staff

alasizon wrote:

The Mesa CR9s in MDH are going there for long term storage, it's all the ones they can't staff

Oh No Kidding?! MDH seems so random of all the cities.

Unless they are using that company that deals with Maintenance?

Any idea why MDH?

3 more are flying in tomorrow...

N916FJ is showing on Flightradar24, can't see the other 2 Registrations.

Alex

capwatts86 wrote:

FlyingElvii wrote:

MLIAA wrote:

Proposed December schedule is out with 0 E145 flights in DFW, markets like ABI and COU going E175 while DRT and GCK go CRJ7.

What about Stillwater??

The schedule is not final but it shows 2X daily OO CRJ-700 from DFW.

Nov 3 is now the start date for CR7's on DFW-SWO. DRT started CR7's back on Jun 3.

atrude777 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

The Mesa CR9s in MDH are going there for long term storage, it's all the ones they can't staff

Oh No Kidding?! MDH seems so random of all the cities.

Unless they are using that company that deals with Maintenance?

Any idea why MDH?

3 more are flying in tomorrow...

N916FJ is showing on Flightradar24, can't see the other 2 Registrations.

Alex

I'm presuming the MX company there will be maintaining these while they are there.

atrude777 wrote:

alasizon wrote:

The Mesa CR9s in MDH are going there for long term storage, it's all the ones they can't staff

Oh No Kidding?! MDH seems so random of all the cities.

Unless they are using that company that deals with Maintenance?

Any idea why MDH?

3 more are flying in tomorrow...

N916FJ is showing on Flightradar24, can't see the other 2 Registrations.

Alex

Space, parking cost, etc., I assume.
The local MRO can do the 2-Day and weekly inspections to keep them current.

Believe 915FJ and 935LR are the other two.

GVZZZ wrote:

Believe 915FJ and 935LR are the other two.

Should be:
911FJ
912FJ
915FJ
916FJ
917FJ
924FJ
931LR
935LR

All going to MDH.

917FJ is planned in tomorrow (Sat 27th).

CRJ900 enroute from PHX to MDH right now. Due in about 345cst.

Pilot Central rumor of a “Big” announcement coming from Mesa after market close today. (Friday)

FlyingElvii wrote:

Pilot Central rumor of a “Big” announcement coming from Mesa after market close today. (Friday)

I'm always skeptical of crew rumors. Its also 25+ mins after close and usually those announcements are right after close (even for non-EST companies).

FlyingElvii wrote:

Pilot Central rumor of a “Big” announcement coming from Mesa after market close today. (Friday)

Mesa is upping pilot to pay be the highest paying regional. All well and good but doesn’t matter if planes are always going tech. Should help them on the UAX side of the house but AA has already made up its mind from the looks of things…

https://thepointsguy.com/news/mesa-airl ... t-pay/amp/

FO. Start $100
Top $112.21

CA. Start $150
Top $219.32

Straight up pay, no 2-yr snap back like Envoy, no Bonus scheme like Commutair and Republic.
Now the ball is in Skywest’s and Endevour’s court….

Recently resigned crew can be reinstated with the new pay levels, and previous seniority, if they apply by Dec. 15th.

FlyingElvii wrote:

Recently resigned crew can be reinstated with the new pay levels, and previous seniority, if they apply by Dec. 15th.

This is my personal favorite. Nobody is going to go back to Mesa if they just left - it isn't just pay that is the issue.

FlyingElvii wrote:

Straight up pay, no 2-yr snap back like Envoy

Definitely does have a snap back the way I read it. In 2025 they go back to their TA rates which will again make them the lowest paid ($47) in the industry.

alasizon wrote:

GVZZZ wrote:

Believe 915FJ and 935LR are the other two.

Should be:
911FJ
912FJ
915FJ
916FJ
917FJ
924FJ
931LR
935LR

All going to MDH.

Can confirm!

I swung by MDH and got some photos and a video too.

I wish I could post photos here.

I am heading back to MDH tomorrow to watch the next one come in.

MDH looks like an AA Hub now with all the AA CR9's lined up on the ramp!

Thanks for all the information guys!

Alex

FlyingElvii wrote:

FO. Start $100
Top $112.21

CA. Start $150
Top $219.32

Straight up pay, no 2-yr snap back like Envoy, no Bonus scheme like Commutair and Republic.
Now the ball is in Skywest’s and Endevour’s court….

Recently resigned crew can be reinstated with the new pay levels, and previous seniority, if they apply by Dec. 15th.

Just for comparison from APC, an FO at Spirit starts at $61k Year 1, jumping to $117 year 2.
Atlas $92, $105, $122 year 1-3
Breeze $75, $92, $96 yr 1-3

Piedmont and Envoy are offering CJO's with NO INTERVIEW REQUIRED to Expressjet pilots. (However many still remain).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/pi ... 8e3c1fde53

FlyingElvii wrote:

Piedmont and Envoy are offering CJO's with NO INTERVIEW REQUIRED to Expressjet pilots. (However many still remain).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/pi ... 8e3c1fde53

Hrm if those pilots go onto the E145 and since they’re current on the E140, is there an abbreviated training just to get them upto Piedmont or Envoy standards?

USAirKid wrote:

FlyingElvii wrote:

Piedmont and Envoy are offering CJO's with NO INTERVIEW REQUIRED to Expressjet pilots. (However many still remain).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/pi ... 8e3c1fde53

Hrm if those pilots go onto the E145 and since they’re current on the E140, is there an abbreviated training just to get them upto Piedmont or Envoy standards?

If they are coming from Expressjet they'll have flown the 145. In all its guises Expressjet never had 140s.

GVZZZ wrote:

USAirKid wrote:

FlyingElvii wrote:

Piedmont and Envoy are offering CJO's with NO INTERVIEW REQUIRED to Expressjet pilots. (However many still remain).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/pi ... 8e3c1fde53

Hrm if those pilots go onto the E145 and since they’re current on the E140, is there an abbreviated training just to get them upto Piedmont or Envoy standards?

If they are coming from Expressjet they'll have flown the 145. In all its guises Expressjet never had 140s.

No, it’s still a complete training program they have to complete as the way Piedmont flies the plane is likely different than the way expressjet did.

Mesa Airline's N912FJ, Mesa House Colors just landed into MDH-Carbondale, Illinois.

If the above list is accurate, that wraps up the 8 Mesa CRJ900's planned to be at MDH.

What a treat to watch them all fly in this weekend!

Thank you all for the heads up and information!

Alex

OH CR7 N520DC ferried from DAY to IGM this morning for storage.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N520DC

OH CR7 N725PS ferried from DAY to IGM this morning for storage.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N725PS

jgcotter wrote:

OH CR7 N520DC ferried from DAY to IGM this morning for storage.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N520DC

Are these due to lack of pilots?

JohanTally wrote:

jgcotter wrote:

OH CR7 N520DC ferried from DAY to IGM this morning for storage.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N520DC

Are these due to lack of pilots?

I’m not sure. They have four additional CR9s coming from SK (SAS) and have parked four CR7s in long-term storage at IGM.

Mesa had a pretty impressive feat on Sunday at DFW. Within about three hours they had three different CRJ9's return to DFW.

ASH5902 to LBB, 9:05 AM - N245LR, hasn't flown since
ASH5787 to SDF, 11:00 AM - N934FJ, flew on Monday DFW-MAF, diverted to ELP for weather
ASH5735 to HOU, 12:45 PM - N933LR, hasn't flown since

The sooner AA can dump Mesa's CRJ9's, the better.

LBBflyer wrote:

Mesa had a pretty impressive feat on Sunday at DFW. Within about three hours they had three different CRJ9's return to DFW.

ASH5902 to LBB, 9:05 AM - N245LR, hasn't flown since
ASH5787 to SDF, 11:00 AM - N934FJ, flew on Monday DFW-MAF, diverted to ELP for weather
ASH5735 to HOU, 12:45 PM - N933LR, hasn't flown since

The sooner AA can dump Mesa's CRJ9's, the better.

Wish I could say that was even surprising for them, Mesa is pretty much guaranteed one return to field a day somewhere in the CRJ operation.

A lot of them are for bleed duct cautions, those 900s are beat. There was one in PHX earlier this year that returned to field everytime it flew for about a month straight.

alasizon wrote:

LBBflyer wrote:

Mesa had a pretty impressive feat on Sunday at DFW. Within about three hours they had three different CRJ9's return to DFW.

ASH5902 to LBB, 9:05 AM - N245LR, hasn't flown since
ASH5787 to SDF, 11:00 AM - N934FJ, flew on Monday DFW-MAF, diverted to ELP for weather
ASH5735 to HOU, 12:45 PM - N933LR, hasn't flown since

The sooner AA can dump Mesa's CRJ9's, the better.

Wish I could say that was even surprising for them, Mesa is pretty much guaranteed one return to field a day somewhere in the CRJ operation.

A lot of them are for bleed duct cautions, those 900s are beat. There was one in PHX earlier this year that returned to field everytime it flew for about a month straight.

I do completely agree with them being beat. I was hoping that they might have taken some of the 2020 downtime to catch up on maintenance and maybe refresh the cabins, but I think the CRJ9's are currently in worse shape than ever. I flew on one back in December where a window shade in first class would not open. I have no idea if it had been fixed shut or if it was just stuck, but it really nailed the ambiance of an aircraft whose operator did not care.

LBBflyer wrote:

alasizon wrote:

LBBflyer wrote:

Mesa had a pretty impressive feat on Sunday at DFW. Within about three hours they had three different CRJ9's return to DFW.

ASH5902 to LBB, 9:05 AM - N245LR, hasn't flown since
ASH5787 to SDF, 11:00 AM - N934FJ, flew on Monday DFW-MAF, diverted to ELP for weather
ASH5735 to HOU, 12:45 PM - N933LR, hasn't flown since

The sooner AA can dump Mesa's CRJ9's, the better.

Wish I could say that was even surprising for them, Mesa is pretty much guaranteed one return to field a day somewhere in the CRJ operation.

A lot of them are for bleed duct cautions, those 900s are beat. There was one in PHX earlier this year that returned to field everytime it flew for about a month straight.

I do completely agree with them being beat. I was hoping that they might have taken some of the 2020 downtime to catch up on maintenance and maybe refresh the cabins, but I think the CRJ9's are currently in worse shape than ever. I flew on one back in December where a window shade in first class would not open. I have no idea if it had been fixed shut or if it was just stuck, but it really nailed the ambiance of an aircraft whose operator did not care.

Last one I flew on the 1A call button was broken and wouldn't stop chiming mid flight. Thankfully it was a short flight because it got old quick.

Same aircraft also had a wall panel that was hanging off and some wires were hanging off the seat in front of the emergency exit that I'm pretty sure shouldn't have been.

As a loyal AA flier when I book out of PHX if there is a Mesa anything on part of the trip I will change flight to a mainline or even southwest if I have to. Living in PHX I know several people that have worked for Mesa and all of them have horror stories and now work elsewhere.

travaz wrote:

As a loyal AA flier when I book out of PHX if there is a Mesa anything on part of the trip I will change flight to a mainline or even southwest if I have to. Living in PHX I know several people that have worked for Mesa and all of them have horror stories and now work elsewhere.

Yeah, being an SDF based flyer that has frequent travel needs to Texas has been pretty rough as well, with the local Mesa pilot base. At least we currently have one daily mainline flight and usually one daily Envoy ERJ-170. For quite a while, we only had 6-7x daily Mesa CRJ9s, and it was pretty dire to get to DFW.