I caught N821MD this evening here at IND. Is this the first of Republic's 65-seat E170s to enter service? It looks like she was at AMA for a little over a week, and spent about three weeks on the ground at SDF before that. She flew AMA-CLT-BGR on Thursday, and has bounced around between ORD, LGA, and various outstations since.
A little history, since this bird's lived an interesting life: she started at MidAtlantic, then moved to Republic in 2005 when US wound down the in-house operation. In 2007 she shed the blue over coal for the RW (since this predates Brickyard stealing the MidEx code) house livery to do work as a spare. In 2012 she went to AeroMexico Connect, came back stateside in 2019 to fly in Delta colors (presumably as a replacement for the 170 that caught fire in CMH, since her sisters 806 and 826 got the new house livery after returning from Mexico), and was doing charter work, sans titles and widget, following the outbreak of the Beer Situation.
My terrible picture (I had to go to the next gate over to get a clean shot of the registration, and it being just after sunset it's rather grainy): https://imgur.com/a/Qur43cC

Does anyone know how many airplanes American Eagle can operate as a whole amongst its affilates? Because it seems that a lot of aircraft are coming online (CR7s/E170s/E175s) while not as many (E140s/E145s) are leaving. Moreover, a lot of mainline aircraft have been removed from the fleet at AA (A333s/A332s/B763s/B752s/E190s).

Someone probably has a more precise answer, but the Eagle fleet is based on a % of the AA narrowbody fleet. I think it has an 18 month lookout normally, but I believe there was a minor scope consession to allow the 2019 #s a little longer. I also believe AA was under the small RJ number anyway (65 seats or less) based on that 2019 number.

PSA727 wrote:

Does anyone know how many airplanes American Eagle can operate as a whole amongst its affilates? Because it seems that a lot of aircraft are coming online (CR7s/E170s/E175s) while not as many (E140s/E145s) are leaving. Moreover, a lot of mainline aircraft have been removed from the fleet at AA (A333s/A332s/B763s/B752s/E190s).

Total RJ fleet is capped at 70% of the overall AA Mainline fleet. Large RJs are capped at 45% of the narrowbody fleet so losing the widebodies did not hurt as much as losing more narrowbodies would have. The delivered NEOs and MAXes help bump the count back up.

sagechan wrote:

Someone probably has a more precise answer, but the Eagle fleet is based on a % of the AA narrowbody fleet. I think it has an 18 month lookout normally, but I believe there was a minor scope consession to allow the 2019 #s a little longer. I also believe AA was under the small RJ number anyway (65 seats or less) based on that 2019 number.

There is an 18 month compliance allowance for acts beyond the company's control, one of those was the grounding of the MAX. Retirements are under AA control so no allowance was needed. The most recent vote with APA only reduced the amount of INTL widebody hours that AA had to fly, hence the deployment of 777s to PHX-OGG/HNL and 787s on ORD-ANC for the summer.

Currently, AA has a total of 810 operational aircraft (not counting any MAXes or NEOs delivered in the past couple weeks), of which 698 are narrowbodies. That puts their allowed total RJs at 567.5 with the large fleet capped at 314. Currently there are 548 total RJs in the fleet with 289 of them being considered large RJs (66 seats or more). AA's scope clause is a god-send on the large vs small front as the CR7 and E170 can be the backbone of the small fleet minus about 65 E145s down the road for the smaller cities in the East and Midwest.

Pending deliveries of the E170s will put them at total scope for the summer (assuming AA only takes delivery of 2-3 more MAXes before the summer) and then the SkyWest E175s starting in October will get them up to the large RJ count followed by the retirement of some more E145s to make room in the overall scope (assuming there are no further drawdown on the Mesa side for poor performance).

alasizon wrote:

PSA727 wrote:

Does anyone know how many airplanes American Eagle can operate as a whole amongst its affilates? Because it seems that a lot of aircraft are coming online (CR7s/E170s/E175s) while not as many (E140s/E145s) are leaving. Moreover, a lot of mainline aircraft have been removed from the fleet at AA (A333s/A332s/B763s/B752s/E190s).

Total RJ fleet is capped at 70% of the overall AA Mainline fleet. Large RJs are capped at 45% of the narrowbody fleet so losing the widebodies did not hurt as much as losing more narrowbodies would have. The delivered NEOs and MAXes help bump the count back up.

sagechan wrote:

Someone probably has a more precise answer, but the Eagle fleet is based on a % of the AA narrowbody fleet. I think it has an 18 month lookout normally, but I believe there was a minor scope consession to allow the 2019 #s a little longer. I also believe AA was under the small RJ number anyway (65 seats or less) based on that 2019 number.

There is an 18 month compliance allowance for acts beyond the company's control, one of those was the grounding of the MAX. Retirements are under AA control so no allowance was needed. The most recent vote with APA only reduced the amount of INTL widebody hours that AA had to fly, hence the deployment of 777s to PHX-OGG/HNL and 787s on ORD-ANC for the summer.

Currently, AA has a total of 810 operational aircraft (not counting any MAXes or NEOs delivered in the past couple weeks), of which 698 are narrowbodies. That puts their allowed total RJs at 567.5 with the large fleet capped at 314. Currently there are 548 total RJs in the fleet with 289 of them being considered large RJs (66 seats or more). AA's scope clause is a god-send on the large vs small front as the CR7 and E170 can be the backbone of the small fleet minus about 65 E145s down the road for the smaller cities in the East and Midwest.

Pending deliveries of the E170s will put them at total scope for the summer (assuming AA only takes delivery of 2-3 more MAXes before the summer) and then the SkyWest E175s starting in October will get them up to the large RJ count followed by the retirement of some more E145s to make room in the overall scope (assuming there are no further drawdown on the Mesa side for poor performance).

Thanks for the more detailed explainer!

PSA727 wrote:

Does anyone know how many airplanes American Eagle can operate as a whole amongst its affilates? Because it seems that a lot of aircraft are coming online (CR7s/E170s/E175s) while not as many (E140s/E145s) are leaving. Moreover, a lot of mainline aircraft have been removed from the fleet at AA (A333s/A332s/B763s/B752s/E190s).

Well, MQ did retire 54 140s in the past year with the last six gone by the end of May...

GSOtoIND wrote:

I caught N821MD this evening here at IND. Is this the first of Republic's 65-seat E170s to enter service? It looks like she was at AMA for a little over a week, and spent about three weeks on the ground at SDF before that. She flew AMA-CLT-BGR on Thursday, and has bounced around between ORD, LGA, and various outstations since.
A little history, since this bird's lived an interesting life: she started at MidAtlantic, then moved to Republic in 2005 when US wound down the in-house operation. In 2007 she shed the blue over coal for the RW (since this predates Brickyard stealing the MidEx code) house livery to do work as a spare. In 2012 she went to AeroMexico Connect, came back stateside in 2019 to fly in Delta colors (presumably as a replacement for the 170 that caught fire in CMH, since her sisters 806 and 826 got the new house livery after returning from Mexico), and was doing charter work, sans titles and widget, following the outbreak of the Beer Situation.
My terrible picture (I had to go to the next gate over to get a clean shot of the registration, and it being just after sunset it's rather grainy): https://imgur.com/a/Qur43cC

Curious to see more exterior and interior pics of the “new” 170s if anyone has them.

I saw Republic's N826MD taxiing down the ramp to B tonight in American colors. Sure enough, it spent last week in AMA and has been doing AA flying since Friday. This is one of the two house livery E170s formerly leased to AeroMexico Connect. The other one, 806MD, was in AMA for a week at the beginning of the month and has been sitting in SDF since the 7th.

AA/AE has been crushing it in SGU with their flights to DFW and PHX. I hope they add LAX soon.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GLCYD

Envoy's 170 #2 left WAW today for NWI.

E175 N450YX, msn 17000875 delivered on April 12th., 2021 to Republic Airways.
Source:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... gle/ek7myn

https://www.envoyair.com/2021/04/20/env ... ecruiting/

Envoy to resume pilot recruiting.

EMBSPBR wrote:

E175 N450YX, msn 17000875 delivered on April 12th., 2021 to Republic Airways.
Source:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... gle/ek7myn

451YX, 450 was delivered in March.

I bet AA wishes it could fly 2500 mile segments more often...

Why did Piedmont retire the Dash 8 fleet? Could turbo props have a place again in the American Eagle operations in the future?

flightsimer wrote:

EMBSPBR wrote:

E175 N450YX, msn 17000875 delivered on April 12th., 2021 to Republic Airways.
Source:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... gle/ek7myn

451YX, 450 was delivered in March.

AMP44 wrote:

Why did Piedmont retire the Dash 8 fleet? Could turbo props have a place again in the American Eagle operations in the future?

Most if not all of the Dash 8 fleet were approaching their cycle limits. Plus, AA was the last of the big three legacy brands to operate turboprop equipment, and American travelers have made their preferences known. I think it's unlikely we will ever see turboprops in legacy liveries again.

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

AMP44 wrote:

Why did Piedmont retire the Dash 8 fleet? Could turbo props have a place again in the American Eagle operations in the future?

Most if not all of the Dash 8 fleet were approaching their cycle limits. Plus, AA was the last of the big three legacy brands to operate turboprop equipment, and American travelers have made their preferences known. I think it's unlikely we will ever see turboprops in legacy liveries again.

What about the Do328ceo? It is supposedly going to be super environmentally friendly and maybe the airlines would want to start out small.

N842AE is to be ferried to MZJ tomorrow from ABI. Quite significant as it is the last active aircraft in the old AA livery (not including the heritage livery).

Oddly enough, it went to ABI as a live flight. Normally they ferry it to ABI then to MZJ or just ferry it direct from DFW.

Scheduling did the DFW spotters a dirty as it was originally going to fly to MZJ direct tomorrow, but then there was a schedule change. I was able to fly her a few weeks ago. The paint was pretty rough, but the interior actually wasn't so bad for it's age.

n797mx wrote:

N842AE is to be ferried to MZJ tomorrow from ABI. Quite significant as it is the last active aircraft in the old AA livery (not including the heritage livery).

Oddly enough, it went to ABI as a live flight. Normally they ferry it to ABI then to MZJ or just ferry it direct from DFW.

Scheduling did the DFW spotters a dirty as it was originally going to fly to MZJ direct tomorrow, but then there was a schedule change. I was able to fly her a few weeks ago. The paint was pretty rough, but the interior actually wasn't so bad for it's age.

MHK had the March schedule with 3x daily E140s. We got to see a lot of 842. Yeah, she was very rough on the outside but the interior was in great shape, since they all got new interiors after the fleet was parked in 2016.

Sad to see 842 get parked. That should leave about 4-5 E140s active at Envoy, right?

mhkansan wrote:

n797mx wrote:

N842AE is to be ferried to MZJ tomorrow from ABI. Quite significant as it is the last active aircraft in the old AA livery (not including the heritage livery).

Oddly enough, it went to ABI as a live flight. Normally they ferry it to ABI then to MZJ or just ferry it direct from DFW.

Scheduling did the DFW spotters a dirty as it was originally going to fly to MZJ direct tomorrow, but then there was a schedule change. I was able to fly her a few weeks ago. The paint was pretty rough, but the interior actually wasn't so bad for it's age.

MHK had the March schedule with 3x daily E140s. We got to see a lot of 842. Yeah, she was very rough on the outside but the interior was in great shape, since they all got new interiors after the fleet was parked in 2016.

Sad to see 842 get parked. That should leave about 4-5 E140s active at Envoy, right?

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n797mx wrote:

mhkansan wrote:

n797mx wrote:

N842AE is to be ferried to MZJ tomorrow from ABI. Quite significant as it is the last active aircraft in the old AA livery (not including the heritage livery).

Oddly enough, it went to ABI as a live flight. Normally they ferry it to ABI then to MZJ or just ferry it direct from DFW.

Scheduling did the DFW spotters a dirty as it was originally going to fly to MZJ direct tomorrow, but then there was a schedule change. I was able to fly her a few weeks ago. The paint was pretty rough, but the interior actually wasn't so bad for it's age.

MHK had the March schedule with 3x daily E140s. We got to see a lot of 842. Yeah, she was very rough on the outside but the interior was in great shape, since they all got new interiors after the fleet was parked in 2016.

Sad to see 842 get parked. That should leave about 4-5 E140s active at Envoy, right?

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E140 N842AE is en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N842AE

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GLC ... /KBGR/KMCN

The second ERJ-170 for Envoy is about 45 out from MCN currently.

Has anyone been able to snag pictures of the inside of the E170 interior yet? I'm interested to see how bad the misaligned rows look.

“Envoy Air Careers” Facebook page is hinting at a possible American Eagle retro livery making an appearance in the future, possibly on one of the 6 EMB-170s that Envoy will be bringing on this summer.

If so, I would love to see a white 170 with the scissor eagle on the tail!

MLIAA wrote:

“Envoy Air Careers” Facebook page is hinting at a possible American Eagle retro livery making an appearance in the future, possibly on one of the 6 EMB-170s that Envoy will be bringing on this summer.

If so, I would love to see a white 170 with the scissor eagle on the tail!

That would indeed be neat.
On a related note, N806MD has been flying for AA since Monday. This is the third of the Republic E170s formerly doing charters to resume flying under the AA codeshare. The next one to be added would have to be one of the birds currently flying for DL

E140 N831AE is en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N831AE

AA is resuming 145 transfers from Envoy to Piedmont in September? Didn’t know they were doing that in the first place.

rsgolfpunk wrote:

AA is resuming 145 transfers from Envoy to Piedmont in September? Didn’t know they were doing that in the first place.

All of Piedmont's E145s were once Envoy aircraft.

rsgolfpunk wrote:

AA is resuming 145 transfers from Envoy to Piedmont in September? Didn’t know they were doing that in the first place.

Have a source on that? I haven't heard anything yet.

Cranky suggesting that the new Connect Airlines Q400s may opporate as American Eagle. Most announced routes touch AA hubs/"focus" cities. Personally, I'd definitely take a Q into Toronto City.

https://crankyflier.com/2021/05/06/who- ... -airlines/

sagechan wrote:

Cranky suggesting that the new Connect Airlines Q400s may opporate as American Eagle. Most announced routes touch AA hubs/"focus" cities. Personally, I'd definitely take a Q into Toronto City.

https://crankyflier.com/2021/05/06/who- ... -airlines/

Pretty slim chance there, adding a Q would cut a 175/900.

alasizon wrote:

sagechan wrote:

Cranky suggesting that the new Connect Airlines Q400s may opporate as American Eagle. Most announced routes touch AA hubs/"focus" cities. Personally, I'd definitely take a Q into Toronto City.

https://crankyflier.com/2021/05/06/who- ... -airlines/

Pretty slim chance there, adding a Q would cut a 175/900.

At one time it was said props don't fall under the same rules in scope, at least that was said a while back when Piedmont still had the Dash.

n797mx wrote:

rsgolfpunk wrote:

AA is resuming 145 transfers from Envoy to Piedmont in September? Didn’t know they were doing that in the first place.

Have a source on that? I haven't heard anything yet.

Eagle’s wiki page. I reference Abraham Lincoln’s famous quote that if it’s on the internet it must be true.

sagechan wrote:

alasizon wrote:

sagechan wrote:

Cranky suggesting that the new Connect Airlines Q400s may opporate as American Eagle. Most announced routes touch AA hubs/"focus" cities. Personally, I'd definitely take a Q into Toronto City.

https://crankyflier.com/2021/05/06/who- ... -airlines/

Pretty slim chance there, adding a Q would cut a 175/900.

At one time it was said props don't fall under the same rules in scope, at least that was said a while back when Piedmont still had the Dash.

The dash was small enough to not have any real limits on them a Q400 isn't

sagechan wrote:

alasizon wrote:

sagechan wrote:

Cranky suggesting that the new Connect Airlines Q400s may opporate as American Eagle. Most announced routes touch AA hubs/"focus" cities. Personally, I'd definitely take a Q into Toronto City.

https://crankyflier.com/2021/05/06/who- ... -airlines/

Pretty slim chance there, adding a Q would cut a 175/900.

At one time it was said props don't fall under the same rules in scope, at least that was said a while back when Piedmont still had the Dash.

Big difference between the 30 seat Dash and 70 seater Q-400

bigb wrote:

sagechan wrote:

alasizon wrote:

Pretty slim chance there, adding a Q would cut a 175/900.

At one time it was said props don't fall under the same rules in scope, at least that was said a while back when Piedmont still had the Dash.

Big difference between the 30 seat Dash and 70 seater Q-400

I've never seen the actual scope clause, so I'm unaware of how exactly it treats large turboprops, but do recall a time when Piedmont was considering q400s and commentary was, at that time, they were outside of scope. Cranky didnt address any scope questions in his article, but seemed to imply there was a CPA in place or in the works. Even if scope applies to props as large RJs, they could do the 65 seats and only count as a small RJ.

sagechan wrote:

bigb wrote:

sagechan wrote:

At one time it was said props don't fall under the same rules in scope, at least that was said a while back when Piedmont still had the Dash.

Big difference between the 30 seat Dash and 70 seater Q-400

I've never seen the actual scope clause, so I'm unaware of how exactly it treats large turboprops, but do recall a time when Piedmont was considering q400s and commentary was, at that time, they were outside of scope. Cranky didnt address any scope questions in his article, but seemed to imply there was a CPA in place or in the works. Even if scope applies to props as large RJs, they could do the 65 seats and only count as a small RJ.

AA mainline scope clause doesn’t differentiate between prop and jets. Just seats with anything being above 65 being counted against the large RJ cap.

bigb wrote:

sagechan wrote:

bigb wrote:

Big difference between the 30 seat Dash and 70 seater Q-400

I've never seen the actual scope clause, so I'm unaware of how exactly it treats large turboprops, but do recall a time when Piedmont was considering q400s and commentary was, at that time, they were outside of scope. Cranky didnt address any scope questions in his article, but seemed to imply there was a CPA in place or in the works. Even if scope applies to props as large RJs, they could do the 65 seats and only count as a small RJ.

AA mainline scope clause doesn’t differentiate between prop and jets. Just seats with anything being above 65 being counted against the large RJ cap.

which kills props because they produce less asm per tail

Just recently flew a “new” 65-seat 170. I was going to take and post pictures, but honestly, besides for the new airplane smell, not much looks different.

The staggered seats aren’t nearly as noticeable as I was expecting. And as previously mentioned, there are 66 physical seats, with only 65 usable (nothing was “blocking” the 66th seat, although the placard depicting seat lettering only has “D” on the last right-side row with the window seat being blank). I thought that was unique.

Should be a very successful product for AA.

KCaviator wrote:

Just recently flew a “new” 65-seat 170. I was going to take and post pictures, but honestly, besides for the new airplane smell, not much looks different.

The staggered seats aren’t nearly as noticeable as I was expecting. And as previously mentioned, there are 66 physical seats, with only 65 usable (nothing was “blocking” the 66th seat, although the placard depicting seat lettering only has “D” on the last right-side row with the window seat being blank). I thought that was unique.

Should be a very successful product for AA.

Interesting that they're not physically blocking off 22F. I wonder if there were a situation where another seat was broken (tray table, recline, etc) if they could move a customer from the affected seat to 22F.

GSOtoIND wrote:

KCaviator wrote:

Just recently flew a “new” 65-seat 170. I was going to take and post pictures, but honestly, besides for the new airplane smell, not much looks different.

The staggered seats aren’t nearly as noticeable as I was expecting. And as previously mentioned, there are 66 physical seats, with only 65 usable (nothing was “blocking” the 66th seat, although the placard depicting seat lettering only has “D” on the last right-side row with the window seat being blank). I thought that was unique.

Should be a very successful product for AA.

Interesting that they're not physically blocking off 22F. I wonder if there were a situation where another seat was broken (tray table, recline, etc) if they could move a customer from the affected seat to 22F.

Possibly in-flight but not in advance, only one seat exists on the seat map in Sabre.

alasizon wrote:

GSOtoIND wrote:

KCaviator wrote:

Just recently flew a “new” 65-seat 170. I was going to take and post pictures, but honestly, besides for the new airplane smell, not much looks different.

The staggered seats aren’t nearly as noticeable as I was expecting. And as previously mentioned, there are 66 physical seats, with only 65 usable (nothing was “blocking” the 66th seat, although the placard depicting seat lettering only has “D” on the last right-side row with the window seat being blank). I thought that was unique.

Should be a very successful product for AA.

Interesting that they're not physically blocking off 22F. I wonder if there were a situation where another seat was broken (tray table, recline, etc) if they could move a customer from the affected seat to 22F.

Possibly in-flight but not in advance, only one seat exists on the seat map in Sabre.

Not sure about Republic planes, but there was talk for Envoy planes to have a physical "tray" block installed over the seat, a-la the middle seat in BA Intra-European Business.

As far as if the seat can be used for pax if another seat is on MEL, no. The pilot contract specifies that the seating arrangement is based of how the aircraft is certified, not how many seat are usable. If a single seat is broken you're limited to 64 pax...

Republic's N869RW left AMA today after being there for a week, presumably for paint. I would expect this to be the fourth E170 for Eagle.

GSOtoIND wrote:

Republic's N869RW left AMA today after being there for a week, presumably for paint. I would expect this to be the fourth E170 for Eagle.

E170 N869RW just ferried from SDF to LGA to enter revenue service.

E140 N852AE is en route from DFW to MZJ for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N852AE

E175 N453YX ferried SJK-MAO-FLL-SDF yesterday on delivery to Republic. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N453YX

Where are Envoy's E170s? Are they all still at NWI? It would be cool to know when they are in the states. I think maybe one of them could be in a special color scheme.

G-LCYD/E/F are at Macon, GA
G-LCYG/H/I are at Norwich.

GVZZZ wrote:

G-LCYD/E/F are at Macon, GA
G-LCYG/H/I are at Norwich.

Any word on their reg#? Anything AAG has reserved?