American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

MLIAA · Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:24 pm

Some shuffling of management for the AA wholly-owned carriers:

Envoy CEO Pedro Fabregas and PSA CEO Dion Flannery have both been named Executive VPs at American, while Piedmont CEO Eric Morgan has been named Vice President. According to Piedmont, “the promotion comes as American focuses on the role it’s wholly-owned regional carriers will play in a post-COVID company.”

Lots of ways to interpret this, including the possibility of merging all three and absorbing all three into AA.

alasizon · Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:12 pm

I don't really see this as anything more than the changing of titles - the titles reflect the size of each carrier and it doesn't change the reporting structure.

n797mx · Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:36 pm

Aircraft 804 thru 807 have officially been removed from Envoy’s opspecs.

jgcotter · Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:21 pm

E175 N521SY ferried from SJK-MAO-SJU-XNA-BOI on 7/19 for delivery to OO to operate for Eagle.

KCaviator · Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:18 pm

How many frames does YX have parked for AA?

jgcotter · Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:36 pm

KCaviator wrote:
How many frames does YX have parked for AA?

As of this morning, Republic shows six parked frames for AA.

KCaviator · Wed Jul 27, 2022 1:27 pm

jgcotter wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
How many frames does YX have parked for AA?

As of this morning, Republic shows six parked frames for AA.

Great, thanks! Seems on the low end. I'd expect more in the future.

jgcotter · Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:49 pm

PT E145 N621AE was en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement this morning but diverted into TUS.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N621AE

travaz · Thu Jul 28, 2022 6:09 pm

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jgcotter wrote:
PT E145 N621AE was en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement this morning but diverted into TUS.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N621AE

There are a lot of Thunderstorms in the MZJ area in fact all over AZ.

n797mx · Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:18 am

N870NC ferried to storage in MZJ. Should be the last of the former Aeromexico birds for Envoy.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N87 ... /KTUS/KMZJ

KCaviator · Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 am

n797mx wrote:
N870NC ferried to storage in MZJ. Should be the last of the former Aeromexico birds for Envoy.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N87 ... /KTUS/KMZJ

Why are they storing 170s? I thought they were converting as many as they could get into 65 seats.

Bear242 · Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:41 am

I thought the same thing that they are getting converted to 65 seats and a paint job ????

capwatts86 · Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:16 pm

Former SAS CRJ-900 EI-FPM (N618NN) Ferried to TUS yesterday.

alasizon · Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:22 pm

KCaviator wrote:
n797mx wrote:
N870NC ferried to storage in MZJ. Should be the last of the former Aeromexico birds for Envoy.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N87 ... /KTUS/KMZJ

Why are they storing 170s? I thought they were converting as many as they could get into 65 seats.

Lack of pilots to bring the 170 online - should be online by October. I also believe this one hasn't gotten its interior yet.

n797mx · Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:02 pm

KCaviator wrote:
n797mx wrote:
N870NC ferried to storage in MZJ. Should be the last of the former Aeromexico birds for Envoy.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N87 ... /KTUS/KMZJ

Why are they storing 170s? I thought they were converting as many as they could get into 65 seats.

Right now, they're just waiting on getting into the maintenance bay for conformity. The former Eastern Airways bird is still in the lone bay for now.

jgcotter · Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:19 pm

MQ E145 N688AE ferried from DFW to MZJ for retirement this morning.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N688AE

jgcotter · Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:21 pm

MQ E145 N606AE ferried from DFW to MZJ for retirement this morning.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N606AE

n797mx · Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:24 pm

Envoy just sent out a company email. They will pick up 15 additional ERJ-170s, transfer 15 EMB-145s to Piedmont, and become solely a ERJ-170/175 fleet.

This will bring the fleet totals to 27 ERJ-170s and 101 ERJ-175s.

JohanTally · Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:34 pm

n797mx wrote:
Envoy just sent out a company email. They will pick up 15 additional ERJ-170s, transfer 15 EMB-145s to Piedmont, and become solely a ERJ-170/175 fleet.

This will bring the fleet totals to 27 ERJ-170s and 101 ERJ-175s.

Hopefully Piedmont gets the youngest frames and can delay the inevitable a little longer.

jbs2886 · Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:41 pm

n797mx wrote:
Envoy just sent out a company email. They will pick up 15 additional ERJ-170s, transfer 15 EMB-145s to Piedmont, and become solely a ERJ-170/175 fleet.

This will bring the fleet totals to 27 ERJ-170s and 101 ERJ-175s.

Any idea where the 170s are coming from?

Also, unless its public, maybe leave out the source here so you don't get in trouble

silentbob · Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:20 pm

n797mx wrote:
Envoy just sent out a company email. They will pick up 15 additional ERJ-170s, transfer 15 EMB-145s to Piedmont, and become solely a ERJ-170/175 fleet.

This will bring the fleet totals to 27 ERJ-170s and 101 ERJ-175s.

It was obvious that this was the long term plan when Piedmont was first given the 145s.

JohanTally · Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:36 pm

JohanTally wrote:
n797mx wrote:
Envoy just sent out a company email. They will pick up 15 additional ERJ-170s, transfer 15 EMB-145s to Piedmont, and become solely a ERJ-170/175 fleet.

This will bring the fleet totals to 27 ERJ-170s and 101 ERJ-175s.

Hopefully Piedmont gets the youngest frames and can delay the inevitable a little longer.

I saw the Piedmont email and they are the youngest frames

MLIAA · Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:42 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
n797mx wrote:
Envoy just sent out a company email. They will pick up 15 additional ERJ-170s, transfer 15 EMB-145s to Piedmont, and become solely a ERJ-170/175 fleet.

This will bring the fleet totals to 27 ERJ-170s and 101 ERJ-175s.

Any idea where the 170s are coming from?

Also, unless its public, maybe leave out the source here so you don't get in trouble

I’m going to guess Air France Hop or J-Air.

JohanTally · Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:17 pm

The E170 is perfect for AA so I expect them to actively pursue CR7 and E170 with their 50 seater count dwindling

TripleA · Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:29 pm

I'm assuming the 145s will be redeployed to CLT and PHL, and cities served by them from DFW and ORD will be seeing E170s, and maybe CRJs? Or will Piedmont continue to operate them for a time from those cities?

n797mx · Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:51 pm

TripleA wrote:
I'm assuming the 145s will be redeployed to CLT and PHL, and cities served by them from DFW and ORD will be seeing E170s, and maybe CRJs? Or will Piedmont continue to operate them for a time from those cities?

170s and CRJs will take over mostly. Some cities like DRT have already switched from EMB to CRJ.

TXRoadMan · Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:00 am

JohanTally wrote:
Hopefully Piedmont gets the youngest frames and can delay the inevitable a little longer.

I’m not arguing the point at all, but at technical level*, couldn’t they keep rotating the frames in and out of MZJ until they all ran out of time? There’s got to be collectively hundreds of thousand of green total airframe hours owned by AA just sitting in the desert. And all but a few of the 140s are still on the OpSpecs ready to go, according to postings here.

*Of course there’s a great expense in doing so, which is why I’m ignoring the financial side.

MQramper · Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:39 pm

Any idea what would happen to Envoy cities that were served by 145s if they switched to Piedmont 145s? Would those small stations have to switch over to Piedmont ground handling?

CIDFlyer · Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:43 pm

Any updates on Mesa flying? Thought I had heard they were trying to phase them down. The October 6 schedule change shows a reduction here in the Midwest. Would they transfer any CR9s to PSA?

MLIAA · Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:22 pm

MQramper wrote:
Any idea what would happen to Envoy cities that were served by 145s if they switched to Piedmont 145s? Would those small stations have to switch over to Piedmont ground handling?

I don’t think anything would happen. Cities like TOL and FWA and EVV have switched 145 operators without a hitch.

The ground handling doesn’t change based on the flying either. Envoy ground handling has been in places like LAX and LGA that Envoy hasn’t flown into for years.

9w748capt · Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:12 am

Wow interesting, so ORD-AZO for example could be switched to the E170/CR7? Ugh, in reality that probably means more stations dropped doesn't it.

alasizon · Wed Aug 03, 2022 3:00 am

CIDFlyer wrote:
Any updates on Mesa flying? Thought I had heard they were trying to phase them down. The October 6 schedule change shows a reduction here in the Midwest. Would they transfer any CR9s to PSA?

The CR9s are all owned/leased by Mesa - AA doesn't own any of the frames. There is no targeted drawdown but the ongoing drawdown due to no pilots continues, Mesa is continuing to lose pilots more and more and is not making the CRJ a priority at all (multiple CRJ crew members have even left for the E75 already seeing the writing on the wall).

N62NA · Wed Aug 03, 2022 3:22 am

TXRoadMan wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Hopefully Piedmont gets the youngest frames and can delay the inevitable a little longer.

I’m not arguing the point at all, but at technical level*, couldn’t they keep rotating the frames in and out of MZJ until they all ran out of time? There’s got to be collectively hundreds of thousand of green total airframe hours owned by AA just sitting in the desert. And all but a few of the 140s are still on the OpSpecs ready to go, according to postings here.

*Of course there’s a great expense in doing so, which is why I’m ignoring the financial side.

That's an interesting way of looking at it - total number of available hours before major overhaul (retirement). Good out of the box thinking!

arc727 · Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:54 pm

capwatts86 wrote:
Former SAS CRJ-900 EI-FPM (N618NN) Ferried to TUS yesterday.

It looks like PSA is adding at least four more CR9s?

And wasn't Republic supposed to start adding a bunch of former DL E170s flying for AA? That seems to have stalled.

MLIAA · Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:25 pm

arc727 wrote:
capwatts86 wrote:
Former SAS CRJ-900 EI-FPM (N618NN) Ferried to TUS yesterday.

It looks like PSA is adding at least four more CR9s?

And wasn't Republic supposed to start adding a bunch of former DL E170s flying for AA? That seems to have stalled.

They did add a few, and were working on more. The problem is staffing them, they’ve been parking airplanes for lack of crews so that could be why it stalled.

capwatts86 · Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:12 pm

arc727 wrote:
capwatts86 wrote:
Former SAS CRJ-900 EI-FPM (N618NN) Ferried to TUS yesterday.

It looks like PSA is adding at least four more CR9s?

And wasn't Republic supposed to start adding a bunch of former DL E170s flying for AA? That seems to have stalled.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... braer-170/

Several are already flying under the American Eagle banner. As they come off the Delta contract they are converting them to American Eagle standards.

capwatts86 · Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:23 pm

3 of the 4 "new" CRJ-900's that are for PSA Airlines (dba American Eagle) are in QRO for mtx checks. These are former SAS CR9's.

capwatts86 · Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:29 pm

Currently envoy air has the following Embraer E-145 aircraft stored (parked to optimize Embraer E-170/E-175 operation/crew limitations)
N605KS N606AE N687JS N677AE N671AE N680AE N607AE N688AE stored in MZJ
N612AE stored in ABI

alasizon · Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:40 pm

capwatts86 wrote:
Currently envoy air has the following Embraer E-145 aircraft stored (parked to optimize Embraer E-170/E-175 operation/crew limitations)
N605KS N606AE N687JS N677AE N671AE N680AE N607AE N688AE stored in MZJ
N612AE stored in ABI

None of those will be coming back to MQ, the 15 frames will be moved to PT and that will be the end of the 145 at MQ.

AntonioMartin · Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:34 pm

Wonder if MQ has any plans to return to Puerto Rico in the future...perhaps just a single flight to either SJU, PSE or BQN out of Miami? After all, Delta Connection did fly from Atlanta to PSE and BQN with planes of similar range to MQ's planes..

capwatts86 · Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:45 pm

alasizon wrote:
capwatts86 wrote:
Currently envoy air has the following Embraer E-145 aircraft stored (parked to optimize Embraer E-170/E-175 operation/crew limitations)
N605KS N606AE N687JS N677AE N671AE N680AE N607AE N688AE stored in MZJ
N612AE stored in ABI

None of those will be coming back to MQ, the 15 frames will be moved to PT and that will be the end of the 145 at MQ.

They haven't released which 15 frames will go to Piedmont. It was published that E-145's were parked due to upcoming mtx checks regardless of aircraft age. 677 687 680 688 are rather new compared to 605 606 607.

JohanTally · Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:46 pm

capwatts86 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
capwatts86 wrote:
Currently envoy air has the following Embraer E-145 aircraft stored (parked to optimize Embraer E-170/E-175 operation/crew limitations)
N605KS N606AE N687JS N677AE N671AE N680AE N607AE N688AE stored in MZJ
N612AE stored in ABI

None of those will be coming back to MQ, the 15 frames will be moved to PT and that will be the end of the 145 at MQ.

They haven't released which 15 frames will go to Piedmont. It was published that E-145's were parked due to upcoming mtx checks regardless of aircraft age. 677 687 680 688 are rather new compared to 605 606 607.

Per a corporate email it stated that they will be youngest frames MQ has so it should be relatively easy to predict which ones are likely to come to PT.

GVZZZ · Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:39 pm

There's 17 in the N9** sequence at Envoy which were the last batch of 145s delivered.

n797mx · Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:32 am

GVZZZ wrote:
There's 17 in the N9** sequence at Envoy which were the last batch of 145s delivered.

Not that it matters that much, as Envoy does just fine with the mixed fleet, but the N9* series planes have a slightly different cockpit set up. Their radio panels are in a slightly different area and they also have electronic standby instruments.

alasizon · Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:25 pm

n797mx wrote:
GVZZZ wrote:
There's 17 in the N9** sequence at Envoy which were the last batch of 145s delivered.

Not that it matters that much, as Envoy does just fine with the mixed fleet, but the N9* series planes have a slightly different cockpit set up. Their radio panels are in a slightly different area and they also have electronic standby instruments.

I can't foresee PT having an issue with that either (particularly since they will stick around into the early 2030s). The question is going to be how many are for actual fleet renewal and how many are for expansion. I don't see AA wanting to have PT operating in DFW so it'll likely limit PT's expansion to ORD while the rest of the routes ex-DFW get moved to CR7/E70s,

jgcotter · Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:35 pm

PT E145 N608LM is en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N608LM

KCaviator · Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:20 pm

arc727 wrote:
capwatts86 wrote:
Former SAS CRJ-900 EI-FPM (N618NN) Ferried to TUS yesterday.

It looks like PSA is adding at least four more CR9s?

And wasn't Republic supposed to start adding a bunch of former DL E170s flying for AA? That seems to have stalled.

Republic also has 30+ United 170s they (once) intended on transferring to AA to convert to 65 seats. Those UA 170s were then to be backfilled with new build 175SCs. That plan currently appears to be a pipe dream though with pilot morale tanking and the current staffing situation going from bad to worse.

GVZZZ · Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:18 am

jgcotter wrote:
PT E145 N608LM is en route from ABI to MZJ for retirement.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N608LM

Interesting that this one hasn't flown in revenue since 31st January and has been parked at Salisbury.

jgcotter · Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:13 pm

PT E145 N624AE is en route from ROA-BNA-ABI-MZJ for retirement.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N624AE

alasizon · Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:09 am

Announced today that all of PSA's 900s are being reconfigured to 79 seats. Given only 76 aircraft are allowed to have 79 seats and PSA currently has 72 CR9s, this pretty much says what is going to be happening to Mesa in 2023+.

https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... onal-jets/

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