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Cargo (industry survey, Atlas, and Lufthansa)

Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:19 am

IATA Cargo survey ...

It was the best first half-year since 2010. Global freight tonne km (FTKs) rose 10.4%, year-on-year, with carriers from Asia Pacific and Europe accounting for some 65% of the increase. June FTKs slowed slightly from May, to 11% down from 12.7%, but remained higher than the five-year average pace of 3.9%. It expects robust year-on-year growth in FTKs for the whole year. And its current forecast of 7.5% could even be pessimistic, it noted.


Atlas Air Cargo ...

First-half revenue was up more than 15%, year on year, with operating income more than doubling to $82.5m and net income up 80.6% to $38.1m. Staffing issues continue to plague the US company as pilots demand an improved contract offer. They also continued to move more deeply into the faster-growing express and e-commerce markets, with more than 70% of their freighters operating for customers in these markets. As announced today, they have also entered into an ACMI agreement to operate three 747-400s for Hong Kong Air Cargo, the first of which will start flying in September. Atlas will be bolstering its Amazon fleet from six to 20 aircraft by the end of 2018.

https://theloadstar.co.uk/soaring-reven ... ll-threat/


Lufthansa Cargo ...

Sales, in revenue cargo tonne km, rose 5% in the first half, while capacity rose 2%. Revenues rose 18.6% to €1.15bn, up 18.8% in the second quarter while EBIT for the first half was €84m, up from a loss of €46m a year earlier. Yields rose 10.3% to €0.25. The airline, which has five 777Fs and 14 MD-11Fs, bought a MD-11F back into service in June and expanded capacity in the Americas and Asia Pacific. It said cargo load factors had improved in all regions except the Middle East and Africa. However, traffic, revenue and yields rose in all regions.

https://theloadstar.co.uk/improvement-e ... ack-black/
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:26 am

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Atlas is growing. Anyone know how cargo in general is doing?


Cargo in general, as in general cargo carriers, is suffering. Express cargo, as in integrators, is booming. Atlas' saving grace is their contracts with DHL, AHK and Amazon.
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Re: Atlas Air Results (and cargo in general)

Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:27 am

B777LRF wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
Atlas is growing. Anyone know how cargo in general is doing?


Cargo in general, as in general cargo carriers, is suffering. Express cargo, as in integrators, is booming. Atlas' saving grace is their contracts with DHL, AHK and Amazon.


That's what I thought. But then I read "Global freight tonne km (FTKs) rose 10.4%, year-on-year".
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:54 am

well so far this year was good on basically all mayor trade lanes - but specially out of Asia (China)....
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:38 am

here is too much capacity on the market when a Country that produces nothing but hot air in the form of gas has a larger freighter fleet than their competitor which is based in the 2nd largest exporting Country. LHs strategy to put Revenue over Tonnage however is successful.

Atlas OTH is rather a supplemental carrier than a cargo Airline of it's own. Freight transported on ACMI deals and flights for Amazon, which builds up to become the fourth Integrator, should not Count in that statistic.
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Re: Atlas Air Results (and cargo in general)

Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:45 am

B777LRF wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
Atlas is growing. Anyone know how cargo in general is doing?


Cargo in general, as in general cargo carriers, is suffering. Express cargo, as in integrators, is booming. Atlas' saving grace is their contracts with DHL, AHK and Amazon.


Cargo at the airline (belly freight) I work at is up +20% YOY, mostly Gen Cargo. As mentioned above Asia is driving a lot of the growth. Yields are actually beginning to increase out of Asia while yields to/from Europe continue to decline due to the the amount of capacity. Looks like US-AU/NZ is beginning to heat up too.

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Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:36 pm

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here is too much capacity on the market when a Country that produces nothing but hot air in the form of gas has a larger freighter fleet than their competitor which is based in the 2nd largest exporting Country.


What does any of that mean?
 
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Re: Cargo (industry survey, Atlas, and Lufthansa)

Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:37 pm

I have not read the cargo airlines are ordering new aircraft or conversions. Anyone know of cargo aircraft orders?
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:35 pm

Operating out of HKG for Cathay and Air Hong Kong is surprising.
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:43 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
PanHAM wrote:
here is too much capacity on the market when a Country that produces nothing but hot air in the form of gas has a larger freighter fleet than their competitor which is based in the 2nd largest exporting Country.


What does any of that mean?


I really don't understand what he meant either. Atlas is a worldwide freight operator flying for airlines and companies based in many different countries.
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:27 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
PanHAM wrote:
here is too much capacity on the market when a Country that produces nothing but hot air in the form of gas has a larger freighter fleet than their competitor which is based in the 2nd largest exporting Country.


What does any of that mean?


I really don't understand what he meant either. Atlas is a worldwide freight operator flying for airlines and companies based in many different countries.


PanHAM might be ranting about a freighter outfit like EK or QR having big fleets that cause drops in prices.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:57 am

The yields are still quite low on the north atlantic right now. There was a bit of yield pressure into the middle east before the gulf rift. But the yields are also getting lower into Africa and Asia. Some rates are to the point where they dont even make sense! I remember a few months ago when LH was offering negative rates.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:02 am

B747400erf understood what was easy to understand with some Background knowledge.

quoting Newbiepilot as follows:
I really don't understand what he meant either. Atlas is a worldwide freight operator flying for airlines and companies based in many different countres
end of Quote

The freight Atlas transports on behalf of Airline XXX under ACO contract Shows up in the statstic twice, under (Integrator XXX and then again under ACMI Operator Atlas as well. IMHO however, ACMI Operators do not have their own sales structure and depend on the handling structures of their Clients as well. Whatever Atlas flies on ACMI , it is not "their" cargo
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:09 am

PanHAM wrote:
B747400erf understood what was easy to understand with some Background knowledge.


Indeed.
But somehow the general knowledge of air cargo and it's dynamics on a.net lacks considerably behind other areas of aviation where the knowledge base I consider as really high and educational.

Anyway, it is good to see the (typical cyclical) rebounce of the business.
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:51 am

It's always funny to see the lack of general knowledge of the aircargo industry, which is currently booming. Yields are generally under high pressure, not in the least since the 77W came in to play some years ago. EK made a big jump with all their 77W's and the served network with this equipment. This machine was a game changer for belly-cargo, since the 77W takes an enourmous amount of freight compared to the 744 or the A380.
The 380 is a dog for cargo, since it's relatively short and needs a lot of volume for bags. The 77W is relatively long and takes more cargo.

Example is EK DXB-AMS-DXB, where the 77W could take at least 25.000kgs of freight, and the 380 would be restricted to approx. 10.000kgs one way.
These are estimates, so don't pin me completely to these figures. It can vary per belly configuration, pax count, weather etc etc etc.

The true freighter boys are serving a different market nowadays with more freight built to fit the bellies and less freight in oversized and in need of full freighters.
Nevertheless also this full freighter market is recovering from a less strong period.
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Re: Cargo (industry survey, Atlas, and Lufthansa)

Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:57 am

PanHAM wrote:
B747400erf understood what was easy to understand with some Background knowledge.

quoting Newbiepilot as follows:
I really don't understand what he meant either. Atlas is a worldwide freight operator flying for airlines and companies based in many different countres
end of Quote

The freight Atlas transports on behalf of Airline XXX under ACO contract Shows up in the statstic twice, under (Integrator XXX and then again under ACMI Operator Atlas as well. IMHO however, ACMI Operators do not have their own sales structure and depend on the handling structures of their Clients as well. Whatever Atlas flies on ACMI , it is not "their" cargo


The reference to the Middle East Airlines was not clear since you hot air comment could have been sarcasm or a colloquialism. You could have been referring to Cargolux. Huge freighter fleet from a tiny country that doesn't produce much.

For what it is worth, mainland China being the big exporter that it is doesn't have that many freighters operated by its airlines. The Korean and Hong Kong based airlines have big freighter fleets. Emirates doesn't really need a big freighter fleet since the 777-300ER has so much cargo capacity.

Atlas/Polar don't fly their own cargo, but they do have something like 40 747s freighters flying for many different airlines and companies.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:18 pm

You have a Point with CV, but they are part of the single market and the ECAA. They are almost as centrally located as FRA. Which may be a reason since LH and CV are the remaining EU carriirs that operate sizable frighter fleets. The Country that produces nothing but hot air is obviously the one which on top has an Airline chairman who even tops that.

As to China, the ROC, aka Taiwan, has 2 carriers that fly an overproportial number of freighters.. Truely this aüplies to HK as well.

What surprises me is that no one replied on the ACMI issue
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:25 pm

While the numbers are positive, don't forget they start from close to rock bottom. Most industry players (other than those operating in protected environments) are far from having a sustainable business, capable of supporting the acquisition of new aircraft.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:26 pm

There is no protected envronment for cargo carriers any longer. The ME3 can fly from Europe to South and North Ameica, the world is wide open to them, to Azerbeidjan. To LH as well of course and to CV FX and UPS can sell space from Germany to the Far East and vv and f that with N registered aircraft whileDHL Needs to charter ACMI to do the same from the US to the Far East. Really protected Environments to da are Russia and the USA and i don't mean domestic.
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:07 pm

PanHAM wrote:
There is no protected envronment for cargo carriers any longer. The ME3 can fly from Europe to South and North Ameica, the world is wide open to them, to Azerbeidjan. To LH as well of course and to CV FX and UPS can sell space from Germany to the Far East and vv and f that with N registered aircraft whileDHL Needs to charter ACMI to do the same from the US to the Far East. Really protected Environments to da are Russia and the USA and i don't mean domestic.


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Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:58 pm

well, the protectionists in my example shown are Russia and the USA.. . That is a fact, even better, a real fact.
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:10 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
PanHAM wrote:
here is too much capacity on the market when a Country that produces nothing but hot air in the form of gas has a larger freighter fleet than their competitor which is based in the 2nd largest exporting Country.


What does any of that mean?


I really don't understand what he meant either. Atlas is a worldwide freight operator flying for airlines and companies based in many different countries.


You really must be very naive not to have understood what was being said.

A) Qatar small country making nothing but hot air as in LNG with a large freighter operation.

B) Germany 2nd largest export country in the world with a significantly smaller freighter operation.

Do you get it now?
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:33 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
PanHAM wrote:
B747400erf understood what was easy to understand with some Background knowledge.

quoting Newbiepilot as follows:
I really don't understand what he meant either. Atlas is a worldwide freight operator flying for airlines and companies based in many different countres
end of Quote

The freight Atlas transports on behalf of Airline XXX under ACO contract Shows up in the statstic twice, under (Integrator XXX and then again under ACMI Operator Atlas as well. IMHO however, ACMI Operators do not have their own sales structure and depend on the handling structures of their Clients as well. Whatever Atlas flies on ACMI , it is not "their" cargo


The reference to the Middle East Airlines was not clear since you hot air comment could have been sarcasm or a colloquialism. You could have been referring to Cargolux. Huge freighter fleet from a tiny country that doesn't produce much.

For what it is worth, mainland China being the big exporter that it is doesn't have that many freighters operated by its airlines. The Korean and Hong Kong based airlines have big freighter fleets. Emirates doesn't really need a big freighter fleet since the 777-300ER has so much cargo capacity.

Atlas/Polar don't fly their own cargo, but they do have something like 40 747s freighters flying for many different airlines and companies.

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Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:45 pm

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As to China, the ROC, aka Taiwan, has 2 carriers that fly an overproportial number of freighters.. Truely this aüplies to HK as well.


Airfreight works hand in hand with surface freight, a lot of air freight over the years has changed modes to surface transport. While it is true that the excess belly space on wide bodies are acting like combies resulting in some excess capacity, the main issue over the last 10 years has been the low sea freight shipping costs making it very attractive for people to consider changing modes from air freight to sea freight.

You will find many of the bigger general air freight hubs also have big ports. HKG is the largest air freight hub in the world, with two very big hubs nearby, CAN and SZX. If you were to combine all of he airfreight carried in Europe, the three big Pearl River Delta (PRD) airports HKG, CAN, and SZX ship the equivalent of 50% of all of Europe's airfreight. There is over twice as much airfreight from Asia than there is from Europe. The 3 cities are also in the top 10 largest container shipping ports, SZX ranked #1 worldwide, HKG #5, CAN #8.

At the moment there is a new bridge that will connect HKG with the PRD which should have the effect of increasing cargo volumes even further.

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Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:28 am

Whom do you tell? I am a certified freight forwarder and I have worked in air- and seafreight for 5 decades. I thought about mentioning the Pearl River Delta. I am very familiar with the aerea, having done many Business trips there starting oin the 1980s. The question yesterday was, why Chinese Airlines have relatively small freighter fleets. One of the answers is indeed the Pearl River delta and Cathay Pacific That was so when HKG was a crown dominion and the go-downs were build a dozen stories into the sky. The Region is still a window to the world and that partially explains the dominance in both air and ocean shipping.
The fact that Eva Air is owned by Evergreen does not mean that a delayd ocean shipment switched to air automaticallly goes to Eva. Price and availability dictate the use of carriers and the freight forwarder makes the final decision based on his customers requriements.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:43 am

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As to China, the ROC, aka Taiwan, has 2 carriers that fly an overproportial number of freighters.. Truely this aüplies to HK as well.



Might this be because ROC, South Korea and Hong Kong(excluding PRC) have a disproportionally low level of exports by road or rail?
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:33 pm

VolvoBus wrote:
PanHAM wrote:
As to China, the ROC, aka Taiwan, has 2 carriers that fly an overproportial number of freighters.. Truely this aüplies to HK as well.



Might this be because ROC, South Korea and Hong Kong(excluding PRC) have a disproportionally low level of exports by road or rail?

Thats undoubtedly part of it. Taiwan is an island and S Korea effectively the same with N Korea its only land border! HK historically hasnt got a huge rail/road network to send things to/from China . Given most air exports from Taiwan and probably a big chunk from the other 2 are electronics and those dont usually get sent sea/rail across continents thats probably another reason.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:01 pm

I'm seeing more and more complaints about pollution from ships. not just the ships which chug around the oceans but the smaller ones which go up and down the Rhine and other European rivers. The cities on these rivers and ports may owe their origin to the ports that they once were but now the wealthy inhabitants no longer have anything to do with logistics and don't want the boats around. The future for Cargo aircraft is huge.
the ships are being retrofitted with anti-pollution devices but it is not enough for the residents in the cities.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:58 pm

Without logistics there would be no industry and only local Jobs. . I Keep it that short to stay on Topics. Surface freight i as essential as air cargo. You are invited to open a thread in "non-aviation"l
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:52 pm

Has anybody noticed that we are in a bit of a peak for the last three weeks? Volumes to the middle east have been on an upswing. Especially to Qatar, I was told that BA is full until the 20th for DOH freight.
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:53 am

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Has anybody noticed that we are in a bit of a peak for the last three weeks? Volumes to the middle east have been on an upswing. Especially to Qatar, I was told that BA is full until the 20th for DOH freight.


I Didn't notice, but good point This isn't even peak freight season. We are a good two months from that.good news for the freighter market. Perhaps more 747-8s could be ordered :)
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:04 am

RichardWelling wrote:
Has anybody noticed that we are in a bit of a peak for the last three weeks? Volumes to the middle east have been on an upswing. Especially to Qatar, I was told that BA is full until the 20th for DOH freight.

The political situation may play a big part for DOH
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:41 am

Being a total dummy on Air Freight maybe some can answer my question. It seems to me that the increase in electronics like cell phones and Ipads drive the air freight market. Granted many perishable items need fast transportation, but a load of t shirts from Vietnam for walmart do not have the urgency that an entire 747 of samsung's latest electronic marvel that must launch on XXXX would have. Also the volume of a 747 can accommodate a lot more Note 8's than bottles of wine driving the cost per unit down.
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:08 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
RichardWelling wrote:
Has anybody noticed that we are in a bit of a peak for the last three weeks? Volumes to the middle east have been on an upswing. Especially to Qatar, I was told that BA is full until the 20th for DOH freight.


I Didn't notice, but good point This isn't even peak freight season. We are a good two months from that.good news for the freighter market. Perhaps more 747-8s could be ordered :)


EK has been consistently full as well, between EK and EY, they have taken the marketshare QR once had in the Middle East. It will be very hard for QR to recover, I expect their reported tonnage to dip despite the sudden peak like upswing which has been occuring as of recent. This will not propagate any potential orders of equipment which has already been ordered for any of the ME3.

The european combination carriers along with their belly colleagues have taken another approach by marketing themselves to more niche products i.e perishables (foodstuffs and pharmaceuticals), courier material, vunerables and valubles, along with express products. They forsee the downward spiral for yields to never unspiral anytime soon.

But I personally find mentioned carriers are the ones to blame. When are they going to wake up and realise they are the ones who caused this?
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:37 am

RichardWelling wrote:
Has anybody noticed that we are in a bit of a peak for the last three weeks? Volumes to the middle east have been on an upswing. Especially to Qatar, I was told that BA is full until the 20th for DOH freight.


The diplomatic situation has cut Qatar off from their neighbours. An upswing in air freight directly to Doha is temporary until the crisis is resolved.
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:23 am

Being a total dummy on Air Freight maybe some can answer my question. It seems to me that the increase in electronics like cell phones and Ipads drive the air freight market. Granted many perishable items need fast transportation, but a load of t shirts from Vietnam for walmart do not have the urgency that an entire 747 of samsung's latest electronic marvel that must launch on XXXX would have. Also the volume of a 747 can accommodate a lot more Note 8's than bottles of wine driving the cost per unit down.


Don’t underestimate how important fashion is for airfreight, fast fashion companies like Inditex or H&M having a new collection every week and are flying a lot of their cargo to have shorter lead-times from design to the shop. Also the supplier for Walmart will ship by airfreight when he missed the deadline for seafreight to avoid paying huge penalties.
Electronic is for sure an important part as well, given the cash flow advantage vs having the goods stuck on a vessel for weeks. I’m not an expert for perishables, but I would say they are only really important on selective routes vs. these other commodities.
Last but not least do not forget automotive and machinery, where either delayed production or even for more valuable goods they are heavy and regular supporter of the airfreight market

The airfreight hype this year was also created by a huge shortage in the seafreight market, ocean carrier merged, re-shuffled their alliances which resulted in a mess up of schedules etc..

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