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ucdtim17
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:21 pm

iflykpdx wrote:
http://flysanjose.com/sites/default/files/2017-08/Southwest_Expands_SJC_Service.pdf

SJC Announcement


Going after AS beyond the new routes, upping SJC-PDX to 6x and SJC-SEA 5x (odd PDX is the larger pair).

Together, Koontz announced the addition of 80 weekly flights from SJC beginning in spring 2018,
including added frequency to the airline’s existing cities of Chicago-Midway, Dallas-Love Field,
Phoenix, Portland-Oregon and Seattle.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:35 pm

Blog is up

https://www.southwestaircommunity.com/t ... ba-p/60082

Includes link to entire flight spreadsheet starting august 2017 (seems odd they are linking for the current period and not the one announced)
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:25 pm

Pretty good left coast add. Haven't seen WN react to another airline like this in a while.
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:26 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
airliner371 wrote:
Seeing MHT-FLL, a much anticipated add for many here.

Just a seasonal Spring Break add. Four Saturdays only, but shows it's not forgotten.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:26 pm

Delete - redundant
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:28 pm

Delete - redundant
 
Jshank83
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:32 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Blog is up

https://www.southwestaircommunity.com/t ... ba-p/60082

Includes link to entire flight spreadsheet starting august 2017 (seems odd they are linking for the current period and not the one announced)



Updated with pdf of the changes to this schedule.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:05 pm

Seasonal Discontinued Markets

ALB-RSW --- --- ---
BDL-PBI --- --- ---
BOS-MCO --- --- --- effective Sunday May 12
BUF-RSW --- --- ---
BWI-LIR --- --- --- effective Saturday May 5
BWI-SJD --- --- ---
CLE-RSW --- --- ---
DAL-RNO --- --- ---
DSM-PHX --- --- ---
DTW-MCO --- --- ---
DTW-TPA --- --- ---
FNT-MCO --- --- ---
FNT-RSW --- --- ---
FNT-TPA --- --- ---
GRR-MCO --- --- ---
GRR-RSW --- --- ---
GRR-TPA --- --- ---
HOU-SLC --- --- ---
MCO-MSP --- --- ---
MCO-PWM --- --- ---
MCO-RIC --- --- ---
MDW-PBI --- --- ---
MSP-RSW --- --- ---
MSP-TPA --- --- ---
OMA-TPA --- --- ---
PBI-PIT --- --- ---
PBI-PVD --- --- ---
PBI-STL

Day of week changes

CUN-STL --- 1 --- was Daily
FLL-MKE --- 1 --- was Daily
HOU-SJU --- 1 --- was Daily

Seasonal Returning Markets

Market M-F Sat Sun Notes
ABQ-MCO 0 1 0
CHS-DEN 0 1 1
FLL-MHT 0 1 0
HOU-PDX 1 1 1
MCI-PNS 0 1 0
MCO-OKC 0 0 1
OAK-TUS 0 0 1

New Markets Frequencies (M-F) (Sat) (Sun) (Notes)
ABQ-SJC 0 0 1
AUS-IND 0 0 1
AUS-SFO 1 1 1
AUS-SMF 1 1 1
BOI-SJC 1 1 1
CMH-CUN 0 1 0 Effective Saturday April 14 / Seasonal
CUN-MSY 0 1 0 Effective Saturday April 14 / Seasonal
ELP-SAN 0 0 1 Effective Sunday March 11
EWR-OAK 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
EWR-SAN 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
FLL-JAX 3 3 3
GEG-SJC 1 1 1
HOU-SJC 1 1 1
LGA-PHX 0 1 0 Effective Saturday April 14
MCO-OAK 0 1 0
MCO-SJC 1 1 1 Effective Sunday May 6
MCO-SMF 1 1 1 Effective Sunday May 6
MSY-SJC 0 0 1
MSY-SMF 0 0 1 Effective Sunday March 11
PVR-SAN 0 1 1 Effective Saturday March 10
SJC-SJD 0 1 0 Effective Saturday March 10
SJC-STL 1 1 1
SJD-SMF 0 1 0 Effective Saturday March 10
SMF-STL 1 1 1
ORD & IND

AA & DL
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:07 pm

Here's the SMF press release. Going to 82 daily flights

http://sacramento.aero/scas/about/news_ ... sacrmaneto
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:10 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
EWR-OAK 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
EWR-SAN 1 1 1 Previously seasonal

I wonder if WN would ever consider getting in on EWR-LAX. Lots of compeititon but two of the largest metro areas in the country.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:11 pm

Even though Southwest didn't announce SMF to HOU nonstop service today, Southwest might add nonstop service from HOU to SMF in the future since SMF is one of the top destinations from HOU that does not yet have nonstop service from Houston Hobby.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:28 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
EWR-OAK 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
EWR-SAN 1 1 1 Previously seasonal


Does this mean these are year round now?
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:37 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
More rolling in... STL-SJC, SMF-STL, SJC-MSY, SJC-BOI, BOI-SMF, GEG-SJC! And much more AS is not going to be happy!

GEG - SJC? Way cool.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:26 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
EWR-OAK 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
EWR-SAN 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
[/quote
Does this mean these are year round now?


That is how I read it. Guess it is year around until it isn't lol.
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:34 pm

The east coast is defintly the big looser of this new schedule
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:54 pm

airliner371 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
EWR-OAK 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
EWR-SAN 1 1 1 Previously seasonal

I wonder if WN would ever consider getting in on EWR-LAX. Lots of compeititon but two of the largest metro areas in the country.


The two largest routes in the contiguous U.S. between two Southwest Airlines airports that are not to jetBlue focus city airports, that are not to AS's main SEA hub, and that are not served nonstop by any of the big 4 U.S. airlines (AA, DL, UA, and WN) are LAX-LGA and PHX-CVG. However, LAX already has nonstop service to NYC since AA, DL, B6, and VX all serve JFK nonstop from LAX and since UA and VX also serve JFK nonstop from LAX.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:59 pm

dc10lover wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
More rolling in... STL-SJC, SMF-STL, SJC-MSY, SJC-BOI, BOI-SMF, GEG-SJC! And much more AS is not going to be happy!

GEG - SJC? Way cool.


Is this a first for nonstop service? I don't recall it before.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:03 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
Is WN still trying to get more gates/space in BNA? If this is the case, I can see why for the wait.


WN has space at BNA. The issue is more that the market, though it has grown, is pretty mature as far as cities. Though this is not a phenomenon unique to BNA, WN has more seats and destinations than ever before, and there are few if any sensible adds left in the Central or Eastern time zones. I could see SFO or PDX as much as anything because they seem to have turned the heat up on AS, but there really are not many medium-sized and larger WN stations left that do not have BNA service.


BNA has also had DL expanding lately and Jetblue moved in semi-recently. Now Virgin/Alaska is adding routes. That may have slowed WN down a bit with all those seats coming online.


There are still a few routes on WN that could be launched out of BNA. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't get (even just seasonal) either SMF or SJC service in this round. OKC, OMA, PDX, BDL are other routes that I could see being launched, though I predict AS will be the one to launch BNA-PDX (will probably be seasonal to start out, since there is only heavy traffic in the summer on that route).

BNA-SFO will never happen on WN since both UA and AS serve it. Other than AS launching BNA-PDX, I doubt AS will expand anymore at BNA.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:10 pm

AirFiero wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
More rolling in... STL-SJC, SMF-STL, SJC-MSY, SJC-BOI, BOI-SMF, GEG-SJC! And much more AS is not going to be happy!

GEG - SJC? Way cool.


Is this a first for nonstop service? I don't recall it before.


First on WN. Not first overall (QX).
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:15 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
GEG - SJC? Way cool.


Is this a first for nonstop service? I don't recall it before.


First on WN. Not first overall (QX).


Ah, ok, I couldn't remember if QX had flown it before. Are they flying it now?
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:15 pm

I had forgotten today was the day for WN schedule extension. What a surprise for us STL folks...SJC and SMF. Kind of surprised they didn't balance a bit with an eastern add (BDL/RIC/ORF) or something but frequencies out of STL tend to be heavier eastbound anyway. Personally I have no reason to visit SJC or SMF but glad to see STL growing for WN.

And yes, they do seem to be preempting AS a bit on the left coast.
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:19 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
I had forgotten today was the day for WN schedule extension. What a surprise for us STL folks...SJC and SMF. Kind of surprised they didn't balance a bit with an eastern add (BDL/RIC/ORF) or something but frequencies out of STL tend to be heavier eastbound anyway. Personally I have no reason to visit SJC or SMF but glad to see STL growing for WN.

And yes, they do seem to be preempting AS a bit on the left coast.


I'm pretty sure this is the first SJC-STL since the TW days, possibly also held over after the AA/TW buyout during at least part of the AA hub days. It's been a long time. This one surprised me almost as much as SJC-MCO daily.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:19 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

WN has space at BNA. The issue is more that the market, though it has grown, is pretty mature as far as cities. Though this is not a phenomenon unique to BNA, WN has more seats and destinations than ever before, and there are few if any sensible adds left in the Central or Eastern time zones. I could see SFO or PDX as much as anything because they seem to have turned the heat up on AS, but there really are not many medium-sized and larger WN stations left that do not have BNA service.


BNA has also had DL expanding lately and Jetblue moved in semi-recently. Now Virgin/Alaska is adding routes. That may have slowed WN down a bit with all those seats coming online.


There are still a few routes on WN that could be launched out of BNA. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't get (even just seasonal) either SMF or SJC service in this round. OKC, OMA, PDX, BDL are other routes that I could see being launched, though I predict AS will be the one to launch BNA-PDX (will probably be seasonal to start out, since there is only heavy traffic in the summer on that route).

BNA-SFO will never happen on WN since both UA and AS serve it. Other than AS launching BNA-PDX, I doubt AS will expand anymore at BNA.


I am really surprised BNA-PDX hasn't happened yet. That is the one big hole that seems obvious but I guess the demand must not be there? If BNA was in E75 range, I think AS would have started it already.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:19 pm

AirFiero wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
AirFiero wrote:

Is this a first for nonstop service? I don't recall it before.


First on WN. Not first overall (QX).


Ah, ok, I couldn't remember if QX had flown it before. Are they flying it now?


Nope. Ended in 2011.
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:24 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

BNA has also had DL expanding lately and Jetblue moved in semi-recently. Now Virgin/Alaska is adding routes. That may have slowed WN down a bit with all those seats coming online.


There are still a few routes on WN that could be launched out of BNA. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't get (even just seasonal) either SMF or SJC service in this round. OKC, OMA, PDX, BDL are other routes that I could see being launched, though I predict AS will be the one to launch BNA-PDX (will probably be seasonal to start out, since there is only heavy traffic in the summer on that route).

BNA-SFO will never happen on WN since both UA and AS serve it. Other than AS launching BNA-PDX, I doubt AS will expand anymore at BNA.


I am really surprised BNA-PDX hasn't happened yet. That is the one big hole that seems obvious but I guess the demand must not be there? If BNA was in E75 range, I think AS would have started it already.


AS could do a seasonal BNA-PDX from May through September on a 737. I think it is only a matter of when, not if, AS announces this route.

BNA is technically within the E75 range, but it is at the very end of it and it wouldn't be the best idea to attempt it.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:37 pm

airliner371 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
EWR-OAK 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
EWR-SAN 1 1 1 Previously seasonal

I wonder if WN would ever consider getting in on EWR-LAX. Lots of compeititon but two of the largest metro areas in the country.

Seems like entirely out of their comfort zone but ewr oak and ewr SAN will test out if southwest model works on these transcon flights with premium first class options and very low yield in economy. I seriously doubt wn will be capturing anything high yield operating once a day with all economy config.

But ewr San directly competes against as and ewr oak competes against ewr sjc offered by as. So maybe this will take a bite out of as transcon flights.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:54 pm

I agree with those posters disappointed to not see IND-SAN and MKE-SAN back on the schedule at this time. IND should be back in June, I would say, and hopefully permanent at that point. MKE-SAN (and MKE-SFO I guess) remain total question marks for me; the only encouragement I can find is that the route is still on the route map but then, there is currently a flt in the market...

Apparently WN decided they wanted to say they were back in the SAN-ELP market so they've added a token Sunday-only flight starting in March 2018. I of course have no idea what their future plans are in the market. Could this have something to do with what WN expects to see from AS soon?

Of course AAG is paying very close attention to this schedule release from WN. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear a batch of new route announcements from the SEA-folks very soon, and I see 3 golden opportunities for them right here in this post. Could we see AS jump on SAN-IND and get the route started before WN ever brings the 'seasonal' route back? Could AS jump into SAN-ELP with a daily EMJ -- IMO a much better suited a/c for the route -- very quickly? SAN-MKE is another great chance for AAG to beat out WN. Again, IMO, an EMJ would be the perfect airplane to start up the route.

Multiply these suggestions by all the other CA cities that WN just bumped way up -- such as SMF and SJC -- and I know it can't all be done. Nevertheless, I hope (and expect) to see AAG answer WN in a big way. And CA should be the winner when the dust settles! The battle continues, and keeps escalating...

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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:00 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Seasonal Discontinued Markets

ALB-RSW --- --- ---
BDL-PBI --- --- ---
BOS-MCO --- --- --- effective Sunday May 12
BUF-RSW --- --- ---
BWI-LIR --- --- --- effective Saturday May 5
BWI-SJD --- --- ---
CLE-RSW --- --- ---
DAL-RNO --- --- ---
DSM-PHX --- --- ---
DTW-MCO --- --- ---
DTW-TPA --- --- ---
FNT-MCO --- --- ---
FNT-RSW --- --- ---
FNT-TPA --- --- ---
GRR-MCO --- --- ---
GRR-RSW --- --- ---
GRR-TPA --- --- ---
HOU-SLC --- --- ---
MCO-MSP --- --- ---
MCO-PWM --- --- ---
MCO-RIC --- --- ---
MDW-PBI --- --- ---
MSP-RSW --- --- ---
MSP-TPA --- --- ---
OMA-TPA --- --- ---
PBI-PIT --- --- ---
PBI-PVD --- --- ---
PBI-STL

Day of week changes

CUN-STL --- 1 --- was Daily
FLL-MKE --- 1 --- was Daily
HOU-SJU --- 1 --- was Daily

Seasonal Returning Markets

Market M-F Sat Sun Notes
ABQ-MCO 0 1 0
CHS-DEN 0 1 1
FLL-MHT 0 1 0
HOU-PDX 1 1 1
MCI-PNS 0 1 0
MCO-OKC 0 0 1
OAK-TUS 0 0 1

New Markets Frequencies (M-F) (Sat) (Sun) (Notes)
ABQ-SJC 0 0 1
AUS-IND 0 0 1
AUS-SFO 1 1 1
AUS-SMF 1 1 1
BOI-SJC 1 1 1
CMH-CUN 0 1 0 Effective Saturday April 14 / Seasonal
CUN-MSY 0 1 0 Effective Saturday April 14 / Seasonal
ELP-SAN 0 0 1 Effective Sunday March 11
EWR-OAK 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
EWR-SAN 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
FLL-JAX 3 3 3
GEG-SJC 1 1 1
HOU-SJC 1 1 1
LGA-PHX 0 1 0 Effective Saturday April 14
MCO-OAK 0 1 0
MCO-SJC 1 1 1 Effective Sunday May 6
MCO-SMF 1 1 1 Effective Sunday May 6
MSY-SJC 0 0 1
MSY-SMF 0 0 1 Effective Sunday March 11
PVR-SAN 0 1 1 Effective Saturday March 10
SJC-SJD 0 1 0 Effective Saturday March 10
SJC-STL 1 1 1
SJD-SMF 0 1 0 Effective Saturday March 10
SMF-STL 1 1 1


this is indeed a massive shift of WN's focus from the northern tier of the US to the west coast.

The growth into competitive transcon markets will be particularly worth watching but WN is likely to know what they are doing and made very good decisions with these route choices.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:15 am

Southwest will be down to 1 daily nonstop between DAL and MEM starting on April 9th, and Southwest really needs to add nonstop service from MEM to additional cities west of the Mississippi River, including STL, MCI, DEN, and PHX. STL and MCI no longer have any nonstop service out of MEM, and there are businesses based in both the St. Louis and Kansas City metropolitan areas that do business in Memphis along with businesses based in Greater Memphis that have a presence in both the St. Louis and Kansas City metropolitan areas. In addition, Southwest currently does not have nonstop service out of MEM to any city destination west of DAL and Southwest really needs to add nonstop service to destinations west of DAL.

In addition, Southwest could also add MEM-ATL nonstop service in order to provide easier access to the East Coast from MEM, and AirTran used to serve ATL nonstop from MEM prior to Southwest beginning service out of MEM under the Southwest brand.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:25 am

jplatts wrote:
Southwest will be down to 1 daily nonstop between DAL and MEM starting on April 9th, and Southwest really needs to add nonstop service from MEM to additional cities west of the Mississippi River, including STL, MCI, DEN, and PHX. STL and MCI no longer have any nonstop service out of MEM, and there are businesses based in both the St. Louis and Kansas City metropolitan areas that do business in Memphis along with businesses based in Greater Memphis that have a presence in both the St. Louis and Kansas City metropolitan areas. In addition, Southwest currently does not have nonstop service out of MEM to any city destination west of DAL and Southwest really needs to add nonstop service to destinations west of DAL.

In addition, Southwest could also add MEM-ATL nonstop service in order to provide easier access to the East Coast from MEM, and AirTran used to serve ATL nonstop from MEM prior to Southwest beginning service out of MEM under the Southwest brand.



WN is a very well run company. They clearly do not see the business value in adding more MEM flights or they would have done it already. MEM-ATL was an option they passed on years ago; it is unlikely they will go there now.

Further, whether coincidental or not, many of the flights in their seasonally cancelled list are to from markets where DL is strong such as in MI and MN while most of the markets they are adding are not flown by AA, DL or UA.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:13 am

Seems AS & WN are battling over California like never before.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:29 am

dc10lover wrote:
Seems AS & WN are battling over California like never before.


Will Southwest end up adding SEA-LAX nonstop service? The Virgin America nonstop service between SEA-LAX will be discontinued with the discontinuation of the Virgin America brand, and there will be room for Southwest to serve LAX nonstop from SEA after the Virgin America SEA-LAX nonstop service is discontinued. There is so much demand for SEA-LAX nonstop flights as LAX is the #1 domestic destination from SEA and as SEA is the #4 domestic destination from LAX (after SFO, NYC, and CHI). Southwest also will have room at LAX to add SEA-LAX nonstop service after Terminal 1 renovations at LAX are complete next year. In my opinion, Southwest still needs to add nonstop service out of LAX in order to remain competitive against AS since SEA is one of the top destinations out of LAX, since LAX is the largest Southwest Airlines station in California, and since Virgin America's SEA-LAX nonstop service will be discontinued with the discontinuation of the Virgin America brand in 2019.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:11 am

Thefireset wrote:
The east coast is defintly the big looser of this new schedule


Not really. On the East Coast (actually a lot of it's the Midwest) it's pretty much just announcing all the winter seasonal routes coming to an end like they do every April. Obviously though the West Coast was the big beneficiary of this extension.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:17 am

AirFiero wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
More rolling in... STL-SJC, SMF-STL, SJC-MSY, SJC-BOI, BOI-SMF, GEG-SJC! And much more AS is not going to be happy!

GEG - SJC? Way cool.


Is this a first for nonstop service? I don't recall it before.


AS tried it but on the p.o.s. Q400. Don't forget, WN figures 40+ thru passengers on their GEG/SMF-SJC flights heading onto Southern Cal. But back to the Q400, it's akin to taking the pony express.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:18 am

dc10lover wrote:
Seems AS & WN are battling over California like never before.


It's more like AS is trying to make a foothold and Southwest is stomping down. AS' CEO made the claim that his airline wanted to be California's go-to airline.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:05 pm

So Hearing this morning GK pushed a major WN Announcement that was scheduled for yesterday because of the on going Events in HOU,HRL and CRP. More schedule releases and announcements to come sometime in the next 2 weeks pending the aftermath of Harvey! Good on GK and WN for pushing what ever it is to not shead light away the traumatic events in south Texas.

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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:09 pm

Good.So maybe they'll announce MKE-SFO and MKE-SAN are returning sooner rather than later, if at all....
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:42 pm

jplatts wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Seems AS & WN are battling over California like never before.


Will Southwest end up adding SEA-LAX nonstop service? The Virgin America nonstop service between SEA-LAX will be discontinued with the discontinuation of the Virgin America brand, and there will be room for Southwest to serve LAX nonstop from SEA after the Virgin America SEA-LAX nonstop service is discontinued. There is so much demand for SEA-LAX nonstop flights as LAX is the #1 domestic destination from SEA and as SEA is the #4 domestic destination from LAX (after SFO, NYC, and CHI). Southwest also will have room at LAX to add SEA-LAX nonstop service after Terminal 1 renovations at LAX are complete next year. In my opinion, Southwest still needs to add nonstop service out of LAX in order to remain competitive against AS since SEA is one of the top destinations out of LAX, since LAX is the largest Southwest Airlines station in California, and since Virgin America's SEA-LAX nonstop service will be discontinued with the discontinuation of the Virgin America brand in 2019.

I don't know. It seems like a hole from SEA because WN doesn't serve the LA area from Seattle, but the market seems very saturated. Spirit just cut LAX-SEA, and DL went from mostly 717 on the route to mostly 738 and 739 now, further saturating the market. What makes you think that the market will be served less after the VX brand is discontinued? Alaska will just be the airline selling those seats that are currently on VX. WN could consider it, but I don't know if it'd be profitable, as the market is a bloodbath right now.
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:50 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
So Hearing this morning GK pushed a major WN Announcement that was scheduled for yesterday because of the on going Events in HOU,HRL and CRP. More schedule releases and announcements to come sometime in the next 2 weeks pending the aftermath of Harvey! Good on GK and WN for pushing what ever it is to not shead light away the traumatic events in south Texas.

Flyguy


By major, I am going to assume something more than just a new routes to existing stations.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:10 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
So Hearing this morning GK pushed a major WN Announcement that was scheduled for yesterday because of the on going Events in HOU,HRL and CRP. More schedule releases and announcements to come sometime in the next 2 weeks pending the aftermath of Harvey! Good on GK and WN for pushing what ever it is to not shead light away the traumatic events in south Texas.

Flyguy


By major, I am going to assume something more than just a new routes to existing stations.


That's what I'm hearing from all different sources.
But I wouldn't go to hog wild with the information.
But conspiracy theories are running rapid!

I would be surprised if Hawaii is announced in the next 2 weeks.
But I'm gambling on 2019 myself.

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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:34 pm

I am happy and surprised to see SJC-BOI go from Sun only ( as it has been since May when it started) to daily.
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:45 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
EWR-OAK 1 1 1 Previously seasonal
EWR-SAN 1 1 1 Previously seasonal


Does this mean these are year round now?


Confirming yes year round for OAK-EWR (SAN as well I assume)

Beginning April 8, 2018, Southwest Airlines will add:

Daily nonstop service from OAK to Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR)
Newark Liberty International Airport is the primary airport serving New Jersey and is one of three major airports in the New York City metropolitan area. Southwest began the service as a seasonal offering earlier this year. The commercial success of the flight this year led to the re-launch in 2018 as a year-round offering.
Saturday nonstop service to Orlando International Airport (MCO)
Service to Orlando raises the count to a dozen new destinations added at Oakland International since 2015. The flight will be OAK’s first route to the central Florida vacation destination.


Disappointing MCO isn't daily (as it will be for SJC). Is there any other route WN flies more frequently at SJC than at OAK?

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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:17 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
Confirming yes year round for OAK-EWR (SAN as well I assume)

Yes, confirming SAN-EWR is also permanent/year-round starting next April. (I believe the only reason it isn't currently year-round, from this summer when it began, is due to the fleet reconfiguration going on at WN. It was expected to go permanent as soon as the a/c was available; this was also said of the other 'seasonal' routes that WN began from SAN this summer: GEG and IND. They apparently decided to start with EWR -- coincidentally, a route flown from SAN for almost a year now by AS -- while GEG and IND have no competition (yet) from SAN. Makes sense to me.

WN rarely does 'seasonal' from SAN. The few routes that began as seasonal here, for whatever reason, became permanent pretty quickly. Currently, in addition to IND & GEG, the only other seasonal route is apparently MKE, unless it has been dropped and will not be back. Nobody seems to know what the status of SAN-MKE really is. It was announced as permanent when it re-started in August 2016, and was supposed to be running daily into this Nov -- that is, it will have run for ~15 straight months -- but now with an abrupt stop this Labor Day and no re-start set yet. Could be another fleet-related 'temporary' suspension, or...?

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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:02 pm

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I am happy and surprised to see SJC-BOI go from Sun only ( as it has been since May when it started) to daily.


They actually never officially announced it this time around, so they are just saying that it will be a new service in the Spring.
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:42 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
So Hearing this morning GK pushed a major WN Announcement that was scheduled for yesterday because of the on going Events in HOU,HRL and CRP. More schedule releases and announcements to come sometime in the next 2 weeks pending the aftermath of Harvey! Good on GK and WN for pushing what ever it is to not shead light away the traumatic events in south Texas.

Flyguy


I wonder if the MAX delivery was the big announcement.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:11 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
I am happy and surprised to see SJC-BOI go from Sun only ( as it has been since May when it started) to daily.


They actually never officially announced it this time around, so they are just saying that it will be a new service in the Spring.


I'm not sure what you mean. It was announced in the press release yesterday. Start date is next April 8th.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:38 pm

I wonder if the MAX delivery was the big announcement.[/quote]

I don't think so. There's no secret with the MAX. They're visible up at Boeing, we know they start on Oct 1st, etc. It has to be delivered between now and then, so no real surprise.

Hearing that something will be at the October company event. Everything points to Hawaii.
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:00 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
So Hearing this morning GK pushed a major WN Announcement that was scheduled for yesterday because of the on going Events in HOU,HRL and CRP. More schedule releases and announcements to come sometime in the next 2 weeks pending the aftermath of Harvey! Good on GK and WN for pushing what ever it is to not shead light away the traumatic events in south Texas.

Flyguy


I wonder if the MAX delivery was the big announcement.


Rumor on Twitter was that it was to be their first major rollout of the MAX aircraft. They have been pretty quiet about the MAX since they took delivery. Given that a hub is underwater and so many people are suffering its not a good time to be taking a celebratory tone.


On an unrelated note, what is with the 3x daily FLL-JAX flights. Are they just looking to pick a flight with B6? Can't imagine there is much money to be made on that route.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:11 pm

orangeguy wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
So Hearing this morning GK pushed a major WN Announcement that was scheduled for yesterday because of the on going Events in HOU,HRL and CRP. More schedule releases and announcements to come sometime in the next 2 weeks pending the aftermath of Harvey! Good on GK and WN for pushing what ever it is to not shead light away the traumatic events in south Texas.

Flyguy


I wonder if the MAX delivery was the big announcement.


Rumor on Twitter was that it was to be their first major rollout of the MAX aircraft. They have been pretty quiet about the MAX since they took delivery. Given that a hub is underwater and so many people are suffering its not a good time to be taking a celebratory tone.
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This is what I was getting at. First delivery of a new aircraft could have been a big announcement/event that could have happened this week. It would have lined up with something being pushed back 2 weeks (like flyguy mentioned). The CEO for WN even said today they will address in in a couple weeks. It all lines up to me.
 
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Re: WN schedule extension 8/28/17

Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:03 pm

AirFiero wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
I am happy and surprised to see SJC-BOI go from Sun only ( as it has been since May when it started) to daily.


They actually never officially announced it this time around, so they are just saying that it will be a new service in the Spring.


I'm not sure what you mean. It was announced in the press release yesterday. Start date is next April 8th.


During the summer, there has been a Sunday-only service SJC-BOI that was never announced, and didn't really get caught by anyone until a few weeks ago. Since almost no one knew about it, they are just going ahead and saying it's a new flight.
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