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SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:08 am

Link/Source: http://atwonline.com/airframes/swiss-ph ... b711ab610b


"Swiss International Air Lines (SWISS) phased out its last Avro RJ100 with a special flight from Geneva to Zurich Aug. 15."

"SWISS is replacing the Avros with Bombardier CSeries 100/300 aircraft. SWISS currently has eight CS100s and two CS300s in service. By the end of 2018, SWISS will add another 20 CSeries aircraft to its fleet."

"The four-engine narrowbody Avro RJ100 and its smaller RJ85 variant formed the backbone of the SWISS European fleet since the company was founded in 2002. SWISS’s 21-strong Avro fleet completed over 700,000 flying hours, operating over half-a-million flights with the British Aerospace (BAe) aircraft."

While I personal have not been on the BAe 146 or any Avro RJ aircraft, they look like nice aircrafts to ride on.
Hope another airline can pick up the LX Avro RJ fleet and keep them going a while longer.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:19 am

I have never been on an Avro or a Bae146, and it looks like my chance of flying on one is getting slimmer. I find regional planes to be just as interesting as mainline aircraft, and I always wanted to fly on a four engine RJ.

How many do SN have left? Are they fully retiring their fleet?
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:34 am

intotheair wrote:
I have never been on an Avro or a Bae146, and it looks like my chance of flying on one is getting slimmer. I find regional planes to be just as interesting as mainline aircraft, and I always wanted to fly on a four engine RJ.

How many do SN have left? Are they fully retiring their fleet?

Last time I looked, SN were down to three planes of this type when once they had 34 (though not all at the same time). Given that, I'm sure you can assume they are fully retiring their fleet - it is just a matter of when.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:41 am

Andy33 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
I have never been on an Avro or a Bae146, and it looks like my chance of flying on one is getting slimmer. I find regional planes to be just as interesting as mainline aircraft, and I always wanted to fly on a four engine RJ.

How many do SN have left? Are they fully retiring their fleet?

Last time I looked, SN were down to three planes of this type when once they had 34 (though not all at the same time). Given that, I'm sure you can assume they are fully retiring their fleet - it is just a matter of when.

That's what I figured what with the WX SSJs too. I've also always been a little puzzled with some of their other fleet moves like having a very small handful of contract ERJs and Q400s.
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:43 am

intotheair wrote:
I have never been on an Avro or a Bae146, and it looks like my chance of flying on one is getting slimmer. I find regional planes to be just as interesting as mainline aircraft, and I always wanted to fly on a four engine RJ.

How many do SN have left? Are they fully retiring their fleet?


Grab one while you can; I've had three rides, and found them to be one of the most unique airliners in the sky.
That FLAP NOISE.....
And that's the great thing about it- it's hardly a "regional" aircraft, even though it is/was supposed to be. With 2x3 or 3x3 seating, it makes an ERJ or CRJ flight look like what it is- a sorry excuse for expensive transportation.
Granted, I'd rather not fly on the 3x3 configured ones, but those were rare by this point, anyway.
Interesting trivia: the Lycoming engines on the Avro are one of the very few examples of turbofan jet engines that use a centrifugal compressor for an airliner. It makes for a very cool engine noise!
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:07 am

AA737-823 wrote:
Interesting trivia: the Lycoming engines on the Avro are one of the very few examples of turbofan jet engines that use a centrifugal compressor for an airliner. It makes for a very cool engine noise!


More interesting trivia, those engines are actually a very early example of a "geared" turbofan, a concept popularized in the 2010+ era by Pratt & Whitney with the PW1000G series.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:18 am

Grabbed a chance to fly HB-IYZ on LCY-ZRH-LCY a few weeks ago. Thought I had left it too late as the LCY had gone all helvetic ERJ190s when I last looked at a farewell flight but was astonished to see the last two RJ100s a few weeks ago at LCY and the chance to rode one the following week was in the booking engine. Life's too short, sieze the day
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:30 am

Great little aircraft to fly on and always love dock lands airport T/O and landings!
Another 'interesting' aircraft gone to be replaced by an amazing but dull twin.
Of course the VLA quads will be flying for many a long year but they too will go in time.
But hey the car is going to go the same way (autonomous/electric).Its progress.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:35 am

First flew a 146 way back in 87 when Air Zimbabwe wasn't such a basket case and they used them regionally. Very quiet compared to other planes of similar size back then.

Last 146 (Was actually and Avro) was last year with Swiss on a hop from Stuttgart to Zurich.

I loved them.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:53 am

I flew on various examples with BA, Aer Lingus, Cityjet and Titan (subbing for Go). On a GLA-BFS trip a little old Irishman on his first ever flight, coming home from a wedding in Scotland, asked me if the sound of the undercarriage being deployed, was the pilot putting the brakes on ? ;-)
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:38 am

AA737-823 wrote:
Grab one while you can; I've had three rides, and found them to be one of the most unique airliners in the sky.
That FLAP NOISE.....
And that's the great thing about it- it's hardly a "regional" aircraft, even though it is/was supposed to be. With 2x3 or 3x3 seating, it makes an ERJ or CRJ flight look like what it is- a sorry excuse for expensive transportation.
Granted, I'd rather not fly on the 3x3 configured ones, but those were rare by this point, anyway.
Interesting trivia: the Lycoming engines on the Avro are one of the very few examples of turbofan jet engines that use a centrifugal compressor for an airliner. It makes for a very cool engine noise!


That flap noise scared the hell out of me the first time I heard it, it's incredible! Had the pleasure of doing numerous hops on SN between LHR and BRU, favourite seat is window in the very last row on the left side, by which point the 2x3 seating becomes 2x0 as there is service cart storage on the other side of the aisle. Feels very private back there and the views are excellent, with no obstruction from the engines and a high wing... will be sorry to see them go!
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:27 am

I have flown a number from DanAir back in the mid 1980s through to Swiss a couple of years back. Always a fun flight but the 2x3 were by far the more comfortable options than the 3x3 such as those flown bt FlyBe/Jersey European. I saw a couple heading into LCY last week - I think they were CityJet but was hard to see the livery from where I saw them.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:45 am

Used to fly on the BA RJ100's a lot back in the early 2000's on the 'financial services express' EDI-LCY out of Edinburgh (from memory) at 07.20. They were definitely unique aircraft although in the BA 3-3 config they were definitely cramped!

I think there are a few private ones flying about, the queen had one at one point, is it still in the RAF fleet.

Any yes, the flap noise was mega!

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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:44 pm

I remember seeing the Bae146 being tested prior to certification in the St Albans area on a very regular basis.
Always a unique & unmistakable sight. I was also lucky enough many years later to fly in one to Venice & was
very impressed by the experience.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:47 pm

I got to fly on a 146 once back when AC Jazz still had them. It was a nice and unique ride. I also just by chance (and I didn't even know until afterwards) was in YHZ and witnessed the final 146 landing/arrival in Jazz/AC revenue service back in February 2006. There was nothing to acknowledge that it was the absolute last sortie as the type had officially retired a few weeks prior, but a couple were kept as a backup temporarily.

With the RJ100 gone, do Swiss still have a few RJ85s left for a few more months or is that it for the Avros at Swiss?
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:52 pm

wrongwayup wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
Interesting trivia: the Lycoming engines on the Avro are one of the very few examples of turbofan jet engines that use a centrifugal compressor for an airliner. It makes for a very cool engine noise!


More interesting trivia, those engines are actually a very early example of a "geared" turbofan, a concept popularized in the 2010+ era by Pratt & Whitney with the PW1000G series.

Those geared engines are facinating. By gearing, a business jet engine was grown into commercial duty engine. But half of the gearbox advantage was given back by going to a centrifugal compressor.

They are cool engines. But even a modern centrifugal compressor engine will burn 10% less fuel.

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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:03 pm

Only one BAe 146 flight in my log - BNE-CBR with Sunstate (QantasLink) in 2002. Whereabouts in Europe can they still be found in revenue work for the time being?
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:10 pm

lightsaber wrote:
wrongwayup wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
Interesting trivia: the Lycoming engines on the Avro are one of the very few examples of turbofan jet engines that use a centrifugal compressor for an airliner. It makes for a very cool engine noise!


More interesting trivia, those engines are actually a very early example of a "geared" turbofan, a concept popularized in the 2010+ era by Pratt & Whitney with the PW1000G series.

Those geared engines are facinating. By gearing, a business jet engine was grown into commercial duty engine. But half of the gearbox advantage was given back by going to a centrifugal compressor.

They are cool engines. But even a modern centrifugal compressor engine will burn 10% less fuel.

Lightsaber


The BAe 146 - the first 5-APU passenger jet. :-)
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:47 pm

XAM2175 wrote:
Only one BAe 146 flight in my log - BNE-CBR with Sunstate (QantasLink) in 2002. Whereabouts in Europe can they still be found in revenue work for the time being?


Well BRA at BMA (Stockholm's city airport) still have a dozen of them (2x RJ85s + 8x RJ100s) with no plans to replace them as their CSeries order is indefinitely delayed.

Nearby at ARN, you can also catch what I believe are the world's last passenger BAE ATPs. So you can get two legacy Brit products for the price of one by going to Stockholm.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:02 pm

That type was the first jet I ever flew on, from ZRH to the island of Chios and back.

Fond memories. On the flight back, there were even some mishaps - one emergency slide was activated inside the plane, and so the plane had to dispatch with 50% of the passengers, so the plane flew Chios - Skiathos - Chios (with the pax that needed to go to Skiathos), and we flew Chios - ZRH without a stopover in Skiathos. But then, when we were ready to depart Chios, the crew had to burn off fuel because they tankered too much...

So I spent a more than significant time of my aerial life on that plane. And in these times, the crew had the cockpit door open at all the time except takeoff and landing, you could pop in at any time and ask them a few questions. I was standing in the front office when we overflew Venice.


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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:27 pm

Flew the RJ8 on XJ a few times when they were around...and LX RJ1's a lot out of DUS to ZRH (and on to MXP) as well as a few rides on WX RJ8 from CDG to DUS and SN RJ1 MRS to BRU. Love the high wing planes...even though the engines really killed the view.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:44 pm

lightsaber wrote:
wrongwayup wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
Interesting trivia: the Lycoming engines on the Avro are one of the very few examples of turbofan jet engines that use a centrifugal compressor for an airliner. It makes for a very cool engine noise!


More interesting trivia, those engines are actually a very early example of a "geared" turbofan, a concept popularized in the 2010+ era by Pratt & Whitney with the PW1000G series.

Those geared engines are facinating. By gearing, a business jet engine was grown into commercial duty engine. But half of the gearbox advantage was given back by going to a centrifugal compressor.

They are cool engines. But even a modern centrifugal compressor engine will burn 10% less fuel.

Lightsaber


Have to wonder if the early geared turbofan is what gave the 146 et al such a reputation for fumes in the cabin. It was a quiet ride though!
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:36 pm

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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:49 pm

Had a flight on a 146 once, IAD-MIA on Presidential Airways if memory serves. We arrived at a remote stand in Miami and while waiting for the bus to take us to the terminal the honey bucket truck arrived but the driver did not position it correctly. All the passengers watched as the "product" poured all over the side of the truck and onto the concrete, along with what looked like cubes of blue gelatin (deodorant, maybe?) and the operator did nothing to stop the flow, just stood there watching it. The spectacle was unfortunately more memorable than the flight itself (I think I liked the aircraft).
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:06 pm

Can someone briefly explain the difference between an Avro RJ and a BAe-146?
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:09 pm

intotheair wrote:
I have never been on an Avro or a Bae146, and it looks like my chance of flying on one is getting slimmer. I find regional planes to be just as interesting as mainline aircraft, and I always wanted to fly on a four engine RJ.

How many do SN have left? Are they fully retiring their fleet?


SN's remaining Avro's will be phased out this winter. No info yet on the final flight. It will most likely depend on the leasing contracts.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:17 pm

Brick wrote:
Can someone briefly explain the difference between an Avro RJ and a BAe-146?

Basically the same aircraft, but the newer models are called Avro RJ85, 100, etc, according to the length/capacity. A bit like the DC9s, which later became the MD80s, sometimes also called the DC9-80, 81, etc. (after the merger MacDonald/Douglas).
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:19 pm

intotheair wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
I have never been on an Avro or a Bae146, and it looks like my chance of flying on one is getting slimmer. I find regional planes to be just as interesting as mainline aircraft, and I always wanted to fly on a four engine RJ.

How many do SN have left? Are they fully retiring their fleet?

Last time I looked, SN were down to three planes of this type when once they had 34 (though not all at the same time). Given that, I'm sure you can assume they are fully retiring their fleet - it is just a matter of when.

That's what I figured what with the WX SSJs too. I've also always been a little puzzled with some of their other fleet moves like having a very small handful of contract ERJs and Q400s.


The ERJ's and the Q400's operated on thin routes where Avro RJ capacity was too much. SN's pax number is growing fast since the past years (except for 2016 due to the Brussels attacks). The CityJet SSJ lease is meant to replace ERJ's, Q400's and part of the RJ fleet. The majority of the RJ's has been replaced by A319/A320.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:29 am

I have logged two flights on LH's AR8 (D-AVRK, D-AVRP) and 1 leg on an EN 146-300 (I-ADJJ), which were cramped with 6 abreast. Better memories were my sole flight on LX AR1 HB-IXX which was a fine experience with 5 abreast seating.
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:46 am

Dominion301 wrote:
With the RJ100 gone, do Swiss still have a few RJ85s left for a few more months or is that it for the Avros at Swiss?


That was it for the Avros. I don't even remember if they had any RJ85s, at least not since I flew with Swiss first time in 2007.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:10 am

Can someone say, on a typical one hour flight with a full pax load, what's the difference in fuel burn between a RJ100 and a BCS-100 with Swiss ?
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:49 am

TC957 wrote:
Can someone say, on a typical one hour flight with a full pax load, what's the difference in fuel burn between a RJ100 and a BCS-100 with Swiss ?


Figures thrown around by LX to the media say between 20 and 25% less fuel burn with the CS-100.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:25 pm

Really wish I had gotten a ride on these birds. Had a flight booked on one a few years back, but flight was cancelled and I was re-routed via "normal" A319.

Many years ago, I was at LGW and saw one for the first time, such a unique bird.
 
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Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:02 pm

Swiss posted an amazing tribute to their recently retired Avrojets on their Facebook page. I'm very impressed! It's filled with a number of cheeky references to the Avrojet history at Swiss, including hard landings and maintenance problems. "4 engines 4 short haul"! Enjoy!

https://www.facebook.com/flyswiss.benel ... KfMxR3uxbc
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:55 pm

Classy tribute. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:58 pm

Lovely! CS looks to tall and large next to the Avro.
 
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:25 am

That was ridiculous and the cheesiest thing I've seen in ages. But I still kinda liked it.
I love when she asks him how maintenance checks feel, and they cut to a clip of him getting, basically, a colonoscopy.
 
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:54 am

That was sweet. Good to see the PR department have some fun with the retirement of the Avro
 
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:09 am

Fantastic tribute to a great plane and a superbly creative messaging. Well done Swiss.
 
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:37 am

Loved the reference to this infamous hard landing at LCY

http://youtu.be/4c0eaofrdTo
 
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:08 am

At 1:55: "Did I already tell you that I'm impressed by your four engines?" :mrgreen:
 
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:06 am

Great video, very strong PR
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:11 am

I flew in that particular CSeries (JBG) when it was brand new! The Jumbolino is a nice plane and will be missed. A very nice tribute by Swiss.
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:23 pm

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Dominion301 wrote:
With the RJ100 gone, do Swiss still have a few RJ85s left for a few more months or is that it for the Avros at Swiss?


That was it for the Avros. I don't even remember if they had any RJ85s, at least not since I flew with Swiss first time in 2007.


LX had 4 RJ85s. They were sold in 2007.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:27 pm

About time. A 146 in 2017 is the equivalent to a Shorts 360 still being flown in in passenger service.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:28 am

Brick wrote:
Can someone briefly explain the difference between an Avro RJ and a BAe-146?

Name change into Avro RJ was done roughly half way through the production run simultaneously with an upgrade which included:
- upgraded and slightly more powerful engines
- engines now with FADEC control (single channel with hydromechanical backup)
- updated cockpit (glass cockpit) with CRT displays replacing most "steam gauges".

The original project was named "HS 146" - for "Hawker Siddeley" as was the company name at that time - early 70'es.

The number 146 is related to - and in sequence with - earlier de Havilland project numbers, like for instance the de Havilland DH 106 Comet jet airliner of the 50'es. Or the de Havilland DH 100 Vampire fighter plane. Or even the HS 125 biz jet, which was similarly renamed into Hawker 800. The BAe-146 was originally designed and built at the former de Havilland Hatfield site just north of London. The de Havilland Aircraft Company merged into Hawker Siddeley in 1960, which merged into British Aerospace in 1977.
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:05 am

I took one out of EGE to LAX back in the day. Those things could climb fast pretty much a requirement at EGE
 
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Re: Swiss Avrojet tribute video

Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:32 pm

CrimsonNL wrote:
Swiss posted an amazing tribute to their recently retired Avrojets on their Facebook page. I'm very impressed! It's filled with a number of cheeky references to the Avrojet history at Swiss, including hard landings and maintenance problems. "4 engines 4 short haul"! Enjoy!

https://www.facebook.com/flyswiss.benel ... KfMxR3uxbc

They have managed to squeeze in that bit about an "Edelweiss Airbus falling in love with a crane", a nice touch to include their subsidiary and parent companies.
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:45 pm

I flew a PSA 146 from SNA - SJC back in the day, right as the merger/buyout with US Air was taking place. The crew all wore PSA uniforms and the interior still carried PSA branding and colors, but the fuselage had just received a mostly bare metal US Air hybrid paint job. It still had the smile on the nose, though, so I count it as a PSA plane. I thought it was a great ride, very interesting seeing those four high wing mounted engines. The stories about the cramped lav were all true, though. You couldn't even turn around in them! Good luck if you needed to spend any amount of time in there. I recall the flight being very quiet, and the ability to look downwards without having the wing obstruct one's view also made for a memorable flight.

I'll miss the 146, a very distinctive plane, and a far better plane than many have given it credit for. I've often wondered what a reengining would have done for the design, perhaps two engines and a reworked, more efficient wing. Sadly, it never happened.

C'est la vie!
 
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Re: SWISS phases out final Avro RJ100, Last flight was Aug 15 GVA-ZRH

Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:11 am

Aptivaboy wrote:
I'll miss the 146, a very distinctive plane, and a far better plane than many have given it credit for. I've often wondered what a reengining would have done for the design, perhaps two engines and a reworked, more efficient wing. Sadly, it never happened.

C'est la vie!

A reengined version was being tested in 2001, with Honeywell AS977 engines, a version of the Honeywell HTF 7000 series being used on many biz jets. But following 9/11 BAE Systems (likely correctly) anticipated that much people would rather use own cars for short hops than stand for hours in airport security lanes. On 27 November 2001 they cancelled the program, having only orders for 14 of the reengined planes. It would have benefitted from some 15% lower fuel burn, even lower noise, and much reduced engine maintenance costs.

At the same time funding of the competing Dornier 728 program dried up, busting that company a few months later. It was a hard time, especially for regional planes.

A twin version was being considered at some time in the late 90'es, named Avro RJ-125. It would be further stretched, have slightly increased wing span, and likely a CF-34 version engine. It seemed like a head on competitor to the Dornier 928, which of course also came nowhere.
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