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OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:43 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2O ADQ-AOS OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.1
2O ADQ-KKB OCT 0.3>0.1 NOV 0.3>0.2 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1
2O ADQ-KLN OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>1.8
2O ADQ-KOY SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.1 NOV 0.4>0.2 DEC 0.4>0.1 JAN 0.4>0.1 FEB 0.4>0.1 MAR 0.5>0.2 APR 0.4>0.1
2O ADQ-KPY OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.1
2O AOS-KZB OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.1
2O KKB-SYB OCT 0.3>0.1 NOV 0.3>0.2 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1
2O KPY-UGI OCT 0.3>0.2 NOV 0.3>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.1

Schedule extension?
4B ABQ-ALS NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
4B ABQ-CNM NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7
4B ABQ-SVC NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3
4B ALB-MSS NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
4B ALS-DEN NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3
4B ATL-MSL NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3
4B BNA-GLH NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7
4B BNA-MSL NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
4B BWI-MSS NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
4B CNM-DFW NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
4B CVN-DFW NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3
4B DFW-GLH NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
4B MSP-TVF NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3
4B PDT-PDX NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3
4B PHX-SVC NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0

7H ANC-HOM NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4

AA CLT-CDG MAR 0.3>0
AA CLT-MAD APR 0>0.9
Earlier start
*AA DFW-FCO MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>1.0
AA JFK-CDG APR 1.9>1.0
AA JFK-EDI MAR 0.3>0
AA JFK-MAN APR 0.9>0
*AA JFK-ZRH MAR 0.9>0.7 APR 1.0>0
*AA LAX-AKL MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0
AA LAX-HNL APR 5>4
AA LAX-LIH APR 3>1.6
AA ORD-SEA DEC 4>5
*AA PHL-SNN APR 0>0.9
*AA PHL-VCE APR 0>0.9
*AA PHL-ZRH MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>1.0
AA PHX-KOA APR 1.0>0.6
AA PHX-LIH APR 1.0>0.6
AA PIT-RDU SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 1.9>0.9

*AD MCO-CNF DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.5 MAR 0>0.5 APR 0>0.4

Back again
*AM DTW-MTY MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
AM LAX-MEX DEC 7>6

AS SEA-SFO JAN 12>11 FEB 11>10
AS SFO-SJD JAN 0.6>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0.5

AV DFW-SAL FEB 0.7>0.6 MAR 0.7>0.6
AV IAH-SAL JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7

*B6 FLL-ATL MAR 0>1.5 APR 0>2
*B6 JFK-ATL MAR 0>1.5 APR 0>2
B6 JFK-BQN DEC 1.6>1.3
B6 JFK-SJU DEC 6>7
*B6 MCO-ATL MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>1.0

DL ATL-FPO APR 0.8>0.7
*DL ATL-LOS MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
DL ATL-MHH APR 0.9>1.0
DL ATL-RNO JAN 0.3>0.2
DL DTW-DCA JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7
*DL DTW-SRQ FEB 0.5>0.2 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.1>0.0
DL HNL-NRT JAN 1.5>1.4
DL HNL-PDX JAN 0.2>0.1
DL JAC-MSP JAN 0.4>0.3
*DL JFK-LOS MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.4
DL JFK-PDX DEC 1.7>1.3
DL LAX-BZN JAN 0.4>0.3
DL LAX-JAC JAN 0.3>0.2
DL LAX-MSP MAR 8>9 APR 8>9
DL MSP-RNO JAN 0.3>0.2
DL MSP-SFO APR 5>6
DL SEA-BZN JAN 0.3>0.2
DL SEA-CUN JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5
DL SEA-MSP APR 6>7

ET EWR-LFW OCT 0.6>0.5 NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.5>0.7 FEB 0.6>0.4 APR 0.6>0.7
ET LAX-DUB OCT 0.6>0.4 NOV 0.6>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.4

J5 AGN-TKE OCT 1.2>2 NOV 0.2>1.9 DEC 0.2>1.9 JAN 0.1>1.9
J5 HNH-JNU OCT 2>4 NOV 2>4 DEC 2>4 FEB 2>0.1 MAR 2>0 APR 2>0
J5 HNS-JNU SEP 5>4 OCT 1.0>1.7 NOV 1.0>1.9 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>0.2 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
J5 HNS-SGY OCT 0>2 NOV 0>1.1 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
J5 JNU-KAE OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
J5 JNU-PEC FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 0.8>0.3
J5 JNU-SGY SEP 5>4 DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>0.1 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
J5 JNU-SIT SEP 1.0>1.9 OCT 0.3>1.8 NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>1.8 JAN 0>1.8
J5 KAE-SIT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
J5 KLW-SIT NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.8

KX JFK-GCM DEC 0.4>0.6 JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.4>0.7
*KX ORD-GCM DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3

MW BUR-SMX SEP 1.6>0
MW LAX-SMX SEP 0>1.3

SU LAX-SVO FEB 1.0>0.9
SU MIA-SVO NOV 0.4>0.6 MAR 0.7>0.6

TJ ACK-TEB SEP 0>3 OCT 0.0>0.8
TJ MVY-TEB SEP 0>1.2

UA DEN-GRR DEC 1.9>1.3
UA DEN-MSN DEC 1.9>1.3
UA DEN-XNA DEC 1.6>1.2
UA EWR-BOS DEC 9>10
UA EWR-BUF DEC 6>5
UA EWR-GSO OCT 5>4
UA EWR-PDX DEC 2.0>1.5
UA IAD-PWM DEC 2>1.4
UA IAH-CHS DEC 1.8>1.2
UA LAX-FAT DEC 1.0>3
UA ORD-AVP DEC 1.7>1.2
UA ORD-BNA DEC 6>7
UA ORD-CRW DEC 1.7>1.2
UA ORD-GSP DEC 3>4
UA ORD-LEX DEC 3>4
UA SFO-LAX DEC 14>13
UA SFO-OTH DEC 1.0>0.7

VX LAX-SEA FEB 3>4
VX PDX-SFO FEB 3>2
VX SEA-SFO JAN 4>1.8 FEB 4>3
VX SFO-PVR JAN 0.3>0.8 FEB 0.3>0.9 MAR 0.3>0.5
VX SFO-SJD JAN 0.9>1.5 FEB 0.9>1.6 MAR 0.9>1.1

WP HNL-LIH SEP 10>9

*WS DEN-YYC MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>1.0

WW LAX-KEF DEC 0.4>0.5 JAN 0.4>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6

They merge with J5?
X4 AGN-TKE SEP 3>0 OCT 1.2>0
X4 HNH-JNU SEP 5>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0 DEC 2>0
X4 HNS-JNU SEP 5>0.5 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
X4 JNU-KAE SEP 1.9>0
X4 JNU-PEC SEP 1.2>0 OCT 0.8>0 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.8>0
X4 JNU-SGY SEP 5>1.0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
X4 JNU-SIT SEP 1.0>0
X4 KAE-SIT SEP 1.0>0
X4 KLW-SIT SEP 0.7>0
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:31 pm

enilria wrote:
*DL ATL-LOS MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
*DL JFK-LOS MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.4


Interesting turn of events. I'm sure there is demand for JFK-LOS, but it's hard not to think that taking ATL-LOS to less than daily is a sign they are having a hard time driving yield. One thing to consider is that JFK-ACC has been around for quite some time now, so perhaps the pull of NYC is truly the reason for the shift.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:37 pm

usdcaguy wrote:
enilria wrote:
*DL ATL-LOS MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
*DL JFK-LOS MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.4


Interesting turn of events. I'm sure there is demand for JFK-LOS, but it's hard not to think that taking ATL-LOS to less than daily is a sign they are having a hard time driving yield. One thing to consider is that JFK-ACC has been around for quite some time now, so perhaps the pull of NYC is truly the reason for the shift.


Arik Air (no idea the IATA code) was on the JFK-LOS route until earlier this year before running into severe financial difficulties (overall as an airline apparently, not specific to this route)

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... time-soon/

So this may not imply bad results for the ATL end specifically, but rather that DL sees an opportunity at JFK by splitting the route at ATL some days, JFK other days.
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:41 pm

enilria wrote:
AA JFK-CDG APR 1.9>1.0
AA JFK-EDI MAR 0.3>0
AA JFK-MAN APR 0.9>0
*AA JFK-ZRH MAR 0.9>0.7 APR 1.0>0
*AA PHL-ZRH MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>1.0


I did not doubt the reports of ZRH moving to PHL and of JFK-CDG reducing, but there's the proof.

There were some rumors that MAN and/or EDI might not be coming back next year, will be interesting to see if this a delayed start or a sign of the end for those routes.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:49 pm

Does it mean CLT-MAD becomes year-round?

At the moment CLT is AA's only seasonal destination to MAD.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:55 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Does it mean CLT-MAD becomes year-round?

At the moment CLT is AA's only seasonal destination to MAD.


Nope, looks like they have just loaded it to start earlier. Route starts for the season on April 3, 2018 now.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:06 pm

usdcaguy wrote:
enilria wrote:
*DL ATL-LOS MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
*DL JFK-LOS MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.4


Interesting turn of events. I'm sure there is demand for JFK-LOS, but it's hard not to think that taking ATL-LOS to less than daily is a sign they are having a hard time driving yield. One thing to consider is that JFK-ACC has been around for quite some time now, so perhaps the pull of NYC is truly the reason for the shift.


I flew on the ATL-LOS flight during the summer, and Delta One was sold out 1-2 months before the flight, also about 80-90 % of economy was sold as well. JFK is a better location I think for US-LOS flights, especially since it has the O&D.

According to T-100 data combining both ways
March '16: ATL-LOS 71% LF
*April '16: ATL-LOS 61% LF
*May '16: ATL-LOS 61% LF
*June '16: ATL-LOS 66% LF
July '16: ATL-LOS 81% LF
August '16: ATL-LOS 83% LF
September '16: ATL-LOS 80% LF
October '16: ATL-LOS 83% LF
November '16: ATL-LOS-88% LF
December '16: ATL-LOS-86% LF
January '17: ATL-LOS-86% LF
February '17: ATL-LOS-78% LF
(The ATL-LOS LFs are much better than the LOS-ATL LFs)

But overall the flight is probably performing pretty well especially from July-February

2016 numbers
Arik Air: JFK-LOS total LF both ways combined: 71.5% average LF
United: IAH-LOS total LF both ways combined: 72.8% average LF
Delta: ATL-LOS total LF both ways combined: 74.8% average LF

I believe DL used to run JFK-ABV/LOS so hopefully, they bring back ABV as well.
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:14 pm

I wonder what the the split is between oil-related traffic and visiting friends and family pax on ATL-LOS.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:25 pm

Just a note that the DL JFK-LOS flights are operated by A330-200 aircraft (likely to rotate the ATL inbound at LOS), and operate out of JFK on Fri, Mon, and Weds. I believe this is the only A332 departure out of JFK for DL next summer.
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:01 pm

AA starts JFK-DEN in June 2018
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:25 pm

Alaska Seaplanes bought Air Excursions in 2012.

enilria wrote:
They merge with J5?
X4 AGN-TKE SEP 3>0 OCT 1.2>0
X4 HNH-JNU SEP 5>0 OCT 2>0 NOV 2>0 DEC 2>0
X4 HNS-JNU SEP 5>0.5 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
X4 JNU-KAE SEP 1.9>0
X4 JNU-PEC SEP 1.2>0 OCT 0.8>0 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.8>0
X4 JNU-SGY SEP 5>1.0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
X4 JNU-SIT SEP 1.0>0
X4 KAE-SIT SEP 1.0>0
X4 KLW-SIT SEP 0.7>0
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:35 pm

ty97 wrote:
There were some rumors that MAN and/or EDI might not be coming back next year, will be interesting to see if this a delayed start or a sign of the end for those routes.


I'm also interested in whether JFK-EDI is ending or just starting later. JFK-MAN getting cut was mentioned in the other thread, but no mention of JFK-EDI getting cut or moving to PHL. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it did move to PHL, though.
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:51 pm

enilria wrote:
AA LAX-HNL APR 5>4
AA LAX-LIH APR 3>1.6
AA ORD-SEA DEC 4>5
*AA PHL-SNN APR 0>0.9
*AA PHL-VCE APR 0>0.9
*AA PHL-ZRH MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>1.0
AA PHX-KOA APR 1.0>0.6
AA PHX-LIH APR 1.0>0.6
AA PIT-RDU SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 1.9>0.9


Seems like AA is cutting Hawaii services around the same time UA is expanding with reductions in frequency on LAX-HNL, LAX-LIH, PHX-KOA, and PHX-LIH.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:21 pm

enilria wrote:
FAQ

AA CLT-CDG MAR 0.3>0


Well crap. I booked the family on a CLT-CDG nonstop at the end of March so the kids didn't have to connect on their first TA trip. I haven't received an email from AA, but sure enough when I looked at my trip online, I'm going through JFK now. Ugh! I'm still booked non-stop from CDG to CLT on the return, but next Sunday's OAG update may change that.

It looks like it's just LHR, MAD, and FCO for CLT seasonal nonstops to Europe.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:07 pm

flyjoe wrote:
enilria wrote:
FAQ

AA CLT-CDG MAR 0.3>0


Well crap. I booked the family on a CLT-CDG nonstop at the end of March so the kids didn't have to connect on their first TA trip. I haven't received an email from AA, but sure enough when I looked at my trip online, I'm going through JFK now. Ugh! I'm still booked non-stop from CDG to CLT on the return, but next Sunday's OAG update may change that.

It looks like it's just LHR, MAD, and FCO for CLT seasonal nonstops to Europe.


If you read above CLT-CDG starts in April in S18. DUB, BCN and CDG will operate out of CLT next summer as well (in addition to FRA which is year round)..
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:14 pm

flyjoe wrote:
enilria wrote:
FAQ

AA CLT-CDG MAR 0.3>0


Well crap. I booked the family on a CLT-CDG nonstop at the end of March so the kids didn't have to connect on their first TA trip. I haven't received an email from AA, but sure enough when I looked at my trip online, I'm going through JFK now. Ugh! I'm still booked non-stop from CDG to CLT on the return, but next Sunday's OAG update may change that.

It looks like it's just LHR, MAD, and FCO for CLT seasonal nonstops to Europe.



Contact AA and request to be routed via PHL. I'd much rather fly on the Airbus transatlantic.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 8/20/2017: KX to ORD; AA Moves ZRH to PHL from JFK; AM Back Into DTW-MTY

Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:19 pm

enilria wrote:
UA LAX-FAT DEC 1.0>3


This will represent the first time in *years* that the number of FAT-LAX/LAX-FAT will be equal and FAT-SFO/SFO-FAT flights will be equal. Before, there was always one more flight per day to SFO and from LAX. Now it will be set at 3X each way to/from LAX and 4X each way to/from SFO. This will also be the first time in years that UA will have an AM flight to LAX. However, this also appears to be just that: a shift, and not an increase in capacity. It looks like one of the AM CRJs will be routed to LAX instead of SFO. This will make for some more diverse connection opportunities, and reduce what was probably an overcapacity in the morning FAT-SFO (3 flights within 2.5 hours, including one 737).
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:29 pm

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enilria wrote:
AA LAX-HNL APR 5>4
AA LAX-LIH APR 3>1.6
AA ORD-SEA DEC 4>5
*AA PHL-SNN APR 0>0.9
*AA PHL-VCE APR 0>0.9
*AA PHL-ZRH MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>1.0
AA PHX-KOA APR 1.0>0.6
AA PHX-LIH APR 1.0>0.6
AA PIT-RDU SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 1.9>0.9


Seems like AA is cutting Hawaii services around the same time UA is expanding with reductions in frequency on LAX-HNL, LAX-LIH, PHX-KOA, and PHX-LIH.


Although true, this is the usual April pull down. Generally everything returns in June.
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:45 pm

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AA starts JFK-DEN in June 2018


Source? Nothing on AA.com through end of June.
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:53 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
miaami wrote:
AA starts JFK-DEN in June 2018


Source? Nothing on AA.com through end of June.


Its discussed in here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1371395

Further: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... june-2018/
 
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JFK-DEN starts 7Jun18.
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:25 pm

*AM DTW-MTY MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0


Third time they are starting this. Wonder what is giving the confidence after 2 attempts that it will work the third time. Don't really have faith in it sticking around.
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I wonder if this is the start of some kind or realignment in the purposes of the JFK and PHL operations. I don't see AA deciding to give up on New York, but I wonder if AA is deciding that it makes sense to run New York traffic to Europe via LHR or MAD, while connecting traffic for Europe will be run through PHL.
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:24 pm

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*AM DTW-MTY MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0


Third time they are starting this. Wonder what is giving the confidence after 2 attempts that it will work the third time. Don't really have faith in it sticking around.


Hopefully they codeshare with DL on the route this time. That has never been done before, including (strangely) last time. It goes without saying, but if AM pax are able to connect in DTW on the same ticket, it makes the flight much easier to sell.
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:46 pm

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klm617 wrote:
*AM DTW-MTY MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0


Third time they are starting this. Wonder what is giving the confidence after 2 attempts that it will work the third time. Don't really have faith in it sticking around.


Hopefully they codeshare with DL on the route this time. That has never been done before, including (strangely) last time. It goes without saying, but if AM pax are able to connect in DTW on the same ticket, it makes the flight much easier to sell.


If they are a JV partner of Delta why would Delta not put their code on this flight ? Perhaps DL doesn't want AM on this route but they are insisting on it.
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:51 pm

klm617 wrote:
kavok wrote:
klm617 wrote:
*AM DTW-MTY MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0


Third time they are starting this. Wonder what is giving the confidence after 2 attempts that it will work the third time. Don't really have faith in it sticking around.


Hopefully they codeshare with DL on the route this time. That has never been done before, including (strangely) last time. It goes without saying, but if AM pax are able to connect in DTW on the same ticket, it makes the flight much easier to sell.


If they are a JV partner of Delta why would Delta not put their code on this flight ? Perhaps DL doesn't want AM on this route but they are insisting on it.


AM can't add the flight without approval by DL since all US-Mexico flights are part of the JV.
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:04 am

Thanks enilria. Somewhat surprised we didn't see DL react to B6's new ATL flights - they usually react with very quick reflexes. Perhaps next week's OAG updates will show something. (I'm putting my money DL entering BOS-FLL and perhaps BOS-RDU).

jbs2886 wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
miaami wrote:
AA starts JFK-DEN in June 2018


Source? Nothing on AA.com through end of June.


Its discussed in here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1371395

Further: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... june-2018/


Is this the first time AA is flying JFK-DEN? The flight times seem gauged at O&D instead of serving as a TATL feeder, and within-perimeter local markets tend to be focused at LGA.
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:17 am

DEN redeyes seem to work to JFK.

Only way to get to city for start of business from DEN is a redeye or night prior.

LGA doesnt open until 600...so the UA redeye leaves DEN at the ungodly hour of 1245a
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:24 pm

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Somewhat surprised we didn't see DL react to B6's new ATL flights - they usually react with very quick reflexes. Perhaps next week's OAG updates will show something. (I'm putting my money DL entering BOS-FLL and perhaps BOS-RDU).


DL already flies BOS-RDU, and they do BOS-FLL seasonally (winter) on weekends. I could see them stepping up their presence on BOS-FLL, just to round out their offering from BOS and regardless of what B6 does.
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:32 pm

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DEN redeyes seem to work to JFK.

Only way to get to city for start of business from DEN is a redeye or night prior.

LGA doesnt open until 600...so the UA redeye leaves DEN at the ungodly hour of 1245a


I will be interested to see how this route does with that schedule. You're right that the schedule both ways certainly does allow for maximizing a business day in NYC, and all three of the existing carriers in the DEN-NYC market do have eastbound redeyes that seem to work, but of course that schedule is going to be going up against both Delta and United which have multiple daily flights to multiple NYC airports. It also appears - based on the schedule as currently loaded, that the westbound JFK departure (2050) is using one of the slots AA has been using this summer for the late night westbound departure to either SEA or SAN, or possibly the freed up slot from 120 to CDG. I wonder if, hypothetically, part of the reported improvements to schedules on those two routes that AA is planning for S18 includes shifting one or both of them to having a morning westbound departure, thus freeing up the later ~2030-2100 slot for DEN. I cannot imagine that AA is going to relinquish the peak slot (1925) currently used for the MAN departure, so it will be interesting to see how that is used, too.
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:41 pm

FSDan wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Somewhat surprised we didn't see DL react to B6's new ATL flights - they usually react with very quick reflexes. Perhaps next week's OAG updates will show something. (I'm putting my money DL entering BOS-FLL and perhaps BOS-RDU).


DL already flies BOS-RDU, and they do BOS-FLL seasonally (winter) on weekends. I could see them stepping up their presence on BOS-FLL, just to round out their offering from BOS and regardless of what B6 does.

Kind of the point here. If delta is already expanding Boston. What more does JetBlue need to worry about?
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:49 pm

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klm617 wrote:
kavok wrote:

Hopefully they codeshare with DL on the route this time. That has never been done before, including (strangely) last time. It goes without saying, but if AM pax are able to connect in DTW on the same ticket, it makes the flight much easier to sell.


If they are a JV partner of Delta why would Delta not put their code on this flight ? Perhaps DL doesn't want AM on this route but they are insisting on it.


AM can't add the flight without approval by DL since all US-Mexico flights are part of the JV.


And why would Delta do this unless to make this Detroit flight more difficult to succeed. I believe Delta made a big press release about all the AM ATL additions but refuses to allow it to codeshare on the DTW-MTY. I seen them do this with the AF DTW-CDG in the early days Delta never published the flight in it's timetable which I thought to be very odd as it was a member of skyteam.
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:52 pm

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klm617 wrote:
kavok wrote:

Hopefully they codeshare with DL on the route this time. That has never been done before, including (strangely) last time. It goes without saying, but if AM pax are able to connect in DTW on the same ticket, it makes the flight much easier to sell.


If they are a JV partner of Delta why would Delta not put their code on this flight ? Perhaps DL doesn't want AM on this route but they are insisting on it.


AM can't add the flight without approval by DL since all US-Mexico flights are part of the JV.
On top of that, the codeshare was applied immediately after the OAG came up, so MTY on both AM and DL will have the codeshare.
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:15 pm

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You're right that the schedule both ways certainly does allow for maximizing a business day in NYC, and all three of the existing carriers in the DEN-NYC market do have eastbound redeyes that seem to work

It's actually up to 5 carriers flying DEN-NYC (UA, DL, WN, B6, and F9's seasonal service). AA will be the 6th. Interestingly, WN is the only one flying the route year-round that does not currently offer a red-eye option to either EWR or LGA. UA, DL, and B6 all have redeye options in the market. It's an interesting choice by AA to go with the red eye rather than time it to connect to TATL departures. Obviously, there are plenty of people flying between DEN and NYC each day to make this work, and AA has plenty of loyal followers in NYC who will, no doubt, appreciate the nonstop option. It'll be interesting to see how this does.
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:16 pm

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jfklganyc wrote:
DEN redeyes seem to work to JFK.

Only way to get to city for start of business from DEN is a redeye or night prior.

LGA doesnt open until 600...so the UA redeye leaves DEN at the ungodly hour of 1245a


I will be interested to see how this route does with that schedule. You're right that the schedule both ways certainly does allow for maximizing a business day in NYC, and all three of the existing carriers in the DEN-NYC market do have eastbound redeyes that seem to work, but of course that schedule is going to be going up against both Delta and United which have multiple daily flights to multiple NYC airports. It also appears - based on the schedule as currently loaded, that the westbound JFK departure (2050) is using one of the slots AA has been using this summer for the late night westbound departure to either SEA or SAN, or possibly the freed up slot from 120 to CDG. I wonder if, hypothetically, part of the reported improvements to schedules on those two routes that AA is planning for S18 includes shifting one or both of them to having a morning westbound departure, thus freeing up the later ~2030-2100 slot for DEN. I cannot imagine that AA is going to relinquish the peak slot (1925) currently used for the MAN departure, so it will be interesting to see how that is used, too.


I still think that the 1925 slot will be used for a JFK-MAN flight....but it will be operated by BA metal.
 
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It's actually up to 5 carriers flying DEN-NYC (UA, DL, WN, B6, and F9's seasonal service). AA will be the 6th. Interestingly, WN is the only one flying the route year-round that does not currently offer a red-eye option to either EWR or LGA.


Ah, forgot Southwest - apologies. Yes - so six carriers now in this market, which I suppose isn't inconceivable given how large of a market it is.

OA412 wrote:
UA, DL, and B6 all have redeye options in the market. It's an interesting choice by AA to go with the red eye rather than time it to connect to TATL departures. Obviously, there are plenty of people flying between DEN and NYC each day to make this work, and AA has plenty of loyal followers in NYC who will, no doubt, appreciate the nonstop option. It'll be interesting to see how this does.


It will, indeed, be interesting to see how it does.

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I still think that the 1925 slot will be used for a JFK-MAN flight....but it will be operated by BA metal.


I agree. As said in the other thread - I still can't imagine BA ceding MAN-NYC business traffic entirely to Virgin.
 
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I agree. As said in the other thread - I still can't imagine BA ceding MAN-NYC business traffic entirely to Virgin.


Don't forget UA EWR-MAN, the least seasonal of the New York area routes to MAN.

It will be strange to have no BA/AA route on MAN-JFK, and it is no positive thing. In the long run, if it means AA can focus on PHL/ORD-MAN before returning to MAN-JFK, it won't be too bad. Hopefully it won't be too long.
 
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UA EWR-BUF DEC 6>5


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I'm sure there is demand for JFK-LOS, but it's hard not to think that taking ATL-LOS to less than daily is a sign they are having a hard time driving yield.

Not necessarily.

If a significant amount of the ATL flight was connecting to NYC (and similar areas) anyway, it may have made more sense to just send them directly there. That's 600mi worth of fuel-per-pax saved, not to mention all that's entailed by knocking out a stop; without significantly increasing their station costs.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:02 am

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Ah, forgot Southwest - apologies. Yes - so six carriers now in this market, which I suppose isn't inconceivable given how large of a market it is.

Several DEN markets have a relatively large number of carriers due to the sizeable presence of UA, WN and F9, though 6 looks to be the most.
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