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What Should Boeing Do With The 747?

Sat Aug 21, 1999 1:16 pm

With the 747 and 777 encroaching on each other's markets,what should Boeing do with 747? Only offer the 747-xxx aircraft and save the 747-400 for the freighter orders? Or what?

And when is Boeing going to offer the 777 as a freighter,the last I heard,it was not a priority for them,but it would be a nice revenue maker.
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RE: What Should Boeing Do With The 747?

Sat Aug 21, 1999 3:47 pm

With Airbus looking increasingly likely to launch the A3XX, Boeing may soon find the need to join them. People are still talking about the 747-500 which was abandoned, but Boeing's Current Market Forecast dismisses talk of very high capacity aircraft. Aside from that, there is plenty of life in the current 747-400 and there is a High Gross Weight 744 on the table at the moment, to add range. Whatever Boeing does with the 747, its place in history is assured , it is undoubtedly one of the most significant aircraft ever built.

As for the 777-2/300X, these aircraft are really intended to "nibble" at the lower end of the 747 market, aimed at airlines which flew/fly older 747s, i.e. -100s. I would expect to see Boeing offer a 777F at some stage and believe that the reason they have not done so up to now is that the MD11 is still (barely) in production. Developing a 777F while the MD11 was still being built - notwithstanding the fact that it was on its last legs anyway - would have been seen by many as a stab in the back to Long Beach. Once the M1F is dead, expect to see a 777F emerging, if not immediately.
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RE: What Should Boeing Do With The 747?

Sat Aug 21, 1999 4:40 pm

The 747-400 and 777 (-200 or -300) do not serve the same market. Some comparisons: the 777-200 in a standard configuraion seats a maximum of 320 passengers; the -300 seats 386. The 747-400 in a standard configuration seats 416. The 777-200 has a range of 5,150 nm; the 777-200ER has a range of 7,150 nm; the 777-300 has a range of 5,600 nm. The 747-400's range is farther than any of these. The 777 competes primarily with the A330/340 and MD-11, which is better suited to be a freighter than the 777. It should be noted that the 777 offers capacity and range comparable to the the early 747 models, but is in a far different category than the -400. The 777 family was not planned with any freighter or combi variants.
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RE: What Should Boeing Do With The 747?

Sat Aug 21, 1999 10:13 pm

I believe they should continue work on a higher gross weight version of the 744. If Airbus wants to make a mega plane, just let them. I'm one of those people who believes in fragmentation (sending 767s and 777s at convenient times more often than just one jumbo jet a day.) I know Qantas still needs the 744 so that's one place fragmentation wouldn't work because of a fuel stop. That's just personal preference because if I'm in coach, I'd rather be in the 767s lovely 2-3-2 rather than a 744 3-4-3.
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RE: What Should Boeing Do With The 747?

Sun Aug 22, 1999 12:02 am

As Clipper already said, these aircraft serve different markets.

The 747-400 production line has slowed down in the past three years, because of changes in the World economy and the emerging new trends in air travel.

The A3XX may be a success in high-density routes, where the airports have slot restrictions, like Heathrow, Tokyo Narita and Frankfurt. Howevere, Boeing was not very enthusiastic in developing a similar jet. Is this a bluff? Well... Probably CEO Phil Condit is the only person who has the answer.

I also think that the 747-type is an inferior product. Not in terms of equipment quality, but in terms of service it aims to provide: Low-frequency schedules and hub-to-hub routes.

I believe the future trends will focus even more in business travelling. Executives demand more frequencies and more direct flights. This is why the 777 has been such a success!

Regarding a 777 freight version, I don't think it is economic viable. It is like buying a Mercedes passenger car to make pizza deliveries. The 747-400 are fine for cargo , because, as I already mentioned, it offers bulky service. The 747-400F's mile costs per kilo flown are low.

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RE: What Should Boeing Do With The 747?

Sun Aug 22, 1999 4:03 am

I believe that when the Asian crisis ends which it seems to be that Boeing will offer newer models of the 747 that will sell well. The heart of the 747 production line layes in Asia. When those carriers become profitable once again look for the 747-400X and ER. If the A3XX is launched look for Boeing to counter with the 747-500 and 747-600.
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RE: What Should Boeing Do With The 747?

Sun Aug 22, 1999 7:54 am

SO do you think there will be a new version of the 747 out soon?
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777 Combi

Sun Aug 22, 1999 8:31 am

wernt Eva air only going to buy the 777 if boeing produced a combi varient?

I thought that sent boeing designers into a mad panic !!!!

i could be wrong

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Mon Aug 23, 1999 6:06 am

I would assume that within a year to year and a half we will have one if not two new variants of the 747 being sold. Right now they are the 747-400IGW and 747-400ER. I would assume that BA, UAL, SQ, NW, Qantas and Cathay Pacific would place large orders for these as a stop-gap until the 747-500/600 is launched or a superjumbo comes along from either manufacturer.

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