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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:54 am

It's quite sad and telling, but wait until the 'newer' A380s will flood the second hand market. Now that will be the real end of the game...
 
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:44 am

Someone was asking about why SQ should pay for maintenance work if the aircraft was to be parted out.

At the end of the day it comes down to the leasing contract. There may be room for further discussion and if SQ is a big customer of the leasing co. then there may be concessions.

Typical leasing contracts will specify full life , or half life. At the end of lease the airline nay have the option to 'buy' any outstanding shortages. Eg if the APU was supposed to be returned with full service life, yhe airline may choose to return it with a half life and pay some cash instead. This will be more likely for this SQ 380 as cash in hand may be preferable to having a fully serviced plane with no takers from the lessors perspective. For an airplane with a ready market however, the lessor would probably insist on the return as per contract.

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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:14 am

First thing came to my mind was Iran air, they are really in need of planes, but well they did not order A380's in the first place, so well I can see ANA is another option, their first A380 is supposed to be delivered in 2019, so well if they are in a hurry they can lease this
 
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:42 am

Shame, I remember my flight on 9V-SKA back in 2012 FRA-SIN, to be fair it was already worn out back then and in need of refurbishing.
 
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:32 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Just last week it was reported that it will be stored in Tarbes, Spain.


FYI Tarbes is a French town near Toulouse... one of the reasons it's often used to store various unassigned or ready-for-modification/scrapping Airbus planes.
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:38 pm

I thought Hi Fly will take two ex-SQ A380's(?) What happened to this?

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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:54 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Just last week it was reported that it will be stored in Tarbes, Spain.

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
FYI Tarbes is a French town near Toulouse... one of the reasons it's often used to store various unassigned or ready-for-modification/scrapping Airbus planes.

Tarmac Aerosave have two storage facilities not far from each other; one at Tarbes (France), and one at Teruel (Spain).
I suspect this is the source of the confusion
http://www.tarmacaerosave.aero/index.ph ... 20&lang=en

As to which one this A380 will end up at - I haven't got that info. But the French option does seem favourite.
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:02 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Tarmac Aerosave have two storage facilities not far from each other; one at Tarbes (France), and one at Teruel (Spain).
I suspect this is the source of the confusion
http://www.tarmacaerosave.aero/index.ph ... 20&lang=en


Interesting, I'd never actually read about the Teruel site before (although I think I've heard it mentioned). Very different sites!

Teruel is like the Nevada boneyards; Tarbes is... not! :D
(It's on the edge of the Pyrenees next to Lourdes - famous for a certain cave and its associated holy waters... Instead of hot, dry and flat, Tarbes is cool, wet and hilly!)
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:03 pm

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I thought Hi Fly will take two ex-SQ A380's(?) What happened to this?

A388


a.net, AFAIK HyFly is still on.
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:05 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Just last week it was reported that it will be stored in Tarbes, Spain.


FYI Tarbes is a French town near Toulouse... one of the reasons it's often used to store various unassigned or ready-for-modification/scrapping Airbus planes.

Sorry, I meant Tarbes, FRANCE. excusé moi... and I just checked. It's not yet confirmed, Dr. Peters' representative just called it "the best option".

Das Schadensbegrenzungs-Szenario: Der A380 wird zwischengeparkt, die laut Gehling "bestmögliche Alternative" ist der Flugplatz im französischen Tarbes.

Source: http://www.manager-magazin.de/finanzen/ ... 71465.html

A388 wrote:
I thought Hi Fly will take two ex-SQ A380's(?) What happened to this?

A388

They will, but obviously not this airframe but another ex-SQ A380.
 
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:16 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
Very different sites!

Teruel is like the Nevada boneyards; Tarbes is... not! :D
(It's on the edge of the Pyrenees next to Lourdes - famous for a certain cave and its associated holy waters... Instead of hot, dry and flat, Tarbes is cool, wet and hilly!)

That's why people here on a.net - including myself - often wonder that such a location is suitable for storing modern aircraft (or not so modern ;-) ....)
If it would be my A380 I would store it in Teruel

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and not in Tarbes: :-)

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Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:21 pm

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One would think that there would at least be some Hajj charter company that can pick these up? Then it could do summer runs for the 'white van' crowd to go to the beaches in summer instead of the West Country.


Slash787 wrote:
First thing came to my mind was Iran air, they are really in need of planes, but well they did not order A380's in the first place, so well I can see ANA is another option, their first A380 is supposed to be delivered in 2019, so well if they are in a hurry they can lease this


It's going to Hi Fly.

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Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:59 pm

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Well, the return to the lessor doesn't happen until October. Would it really require three months to prepare the aircraft for lease return? That's a lot of lease money to pay for an unproductive asset.


The lease terms would probably require a heavy C check to be completed before it’s return, so the airframe is in a similar state as to what it was originally picked up.

During the years it was in service engine, Apu, and other components may have been swapped off, and require the correct engines etc to be placed back on the frame. That could also involve removing it from another aircraft it was subsequently put on.
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:38 pm

flee wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
The second A380, 9V-SKB, has been withdraw from service and is being prepared for return to lessor.

As SQ has not yet taken delivery of their new build A380s, they are now 2 aircraft short.

Does anyone know if they are using other aircraft to substitute the A380 services, or are they utilising existing frames more intensively?


Aren't SQ Due a frame pretty shortly? Or have they just not long got one.
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:07 pm

Maybe Tarbes is selected in want of a miracle? :duck:
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:29 pm

Aircellist wrote:
Maybe Tarbes is selected in want of a miracle? :duck:

It will take a LOT of "holy water" to cleanse an A380! :biggrin:
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:32 pm

Revelation wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
Maybe Tarbes is selected in want of a miracle? :duck:

It will take a LOT of "holy water" to cleanse an A380! :biggrin:


MH's birds could stand getting some cleansing with any type of water based on recent pictures... :cheeky:
 
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:35 pm

Maybe Iron Maiden can take it on tour!

I wonder if someone might snap it up as a vip or government run around? Mines bigger than yours....
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:18 pm

Arion640 wrote:
flee wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
The second A380, 9V-SKB, has been withdraw from service and is being prepared for return to lessor.

As SQ has not yet taken delivery of their new build A380s, they are now 2 aircraft short.

Does anyone know if they are using other aircraft to substitute the A380 services, or are they utilising existing frames more intensively?


Aren't SQ Due a frame pretty shortly? Or have they just not long got one.

Still waiting on #20/MSN243. Abcdlist has it and #21/MSN247 as finished outfitting in XFW, #22/MSN25 as undergoing outfitting in XFW, #23/MSN253 as waiting for first flight in TLS, and #24/MSN255 in final assembly: http://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html

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Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:51 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
flee wrote:
As SQ has not yet taken delivery of their new build A380s, they are now 2 aircraft short.

Does anyone know if they are using other aircraft to substitute the A380 services, or are they utilising existing frames more intensively?


Aren't SQ Due a frame pretty shortly? Or have they just not long got one.

Still waiting on #20/MSN243. Abcdlist has it and #21/MSN247 as finished outfitting in XFW, #22/MSN25 as undergoing outfitting in XFW, #23/MSN253 as waiting for first flight in TLS, and #24/MSN255 in final assembly: http://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html

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They'll be getting a few shortly then. aren't 4 being retired this year?
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:34 am

n729pa wrote:
Maybe Iron Maiden can take it on tour!

I wonder if someone might snap it up as a vip or government run around? Mines bigger than yours....

Does it have enough life for a summer tour before the horridly expensive next overhaul?

When does HiFly take their first a380?
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Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:03 am

I've always understood HiFly will be taking two ex-SQ A380's which are the two they just parked so why won't they be taking 9V-SKA?

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:13 am

A388 wrote:
I've always understood HiFly will be taking two ex-SQ A380's which are the two they just parked so why won't they be taking 9V-SKA?


I imagine this is the "worst" A380 not already in a museum or owned by Airbus.
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:30 am

N14AZ wrote:
Image

Loved it!
Your pic? More to share?
 
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Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:24 am

ojjunior wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
...

Loved it!
Your pic? More to share?

No, not my picture. I had this picture in my mind and just made a google seach.

Maybe these links might be of interest for you:
http://www.airplaneboneyards.com/airpla ... europe.htm
http://www.tarmacaerosave.aero/index.ph ... 20&lang=en
http://www.airportspotting.com/teruel-storage-snapshot/ (which shows that the weather in Teruel can be Tarbes-like as well)

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n729pa wrote:
Maybe Iron Maiden can take it on tour!

I wonder if someone might snap it up as a vip or government run around? Mines bigger than yours....

Does it have enough life for a summer tour before the horridly expensive next overhaul?

When does HiFly take their first a380?

First quarter of 2018:

Woher die beiden Superjumbos stammen, will er noch nicht sagen, da noch nicht alle Details vertraglich geregelt sind. Das erste Exemplar werde aber im ersten Quartal 2018 übernommen, erklärt er.

Source: http://www.aerotelegraph.com/portugiesi ... -zwei-a380

HiFly's CEO did not want to reveal where the two A380's will come from since the contractual details have not yet been agreed upon. However, first airframe will be taken over in the first quarter of 2018.

Who knows, maybe it will be 9V-SKA but they are still negotiating...
 
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Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:28 pm

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One would think that there would at least be some Hajj charter company that can pick these up? Then it could do summer runs for the 'white van' crowd to go to the beaches in summer instead of the West Country.



Hajj is only officially a week long.... and while it gets stretched for practical purposes to several weeks... the fact is that it is only a peak short term period of very heavy travel. What airline can successfully own and operate an aircraft at a real profit for only a short time of each year? Yes, there may be some other tour options... but, again for only some short times each year...

It was my understanding that typically you needed at least 50% fill factors on a routine basis to successfully operate "used" charter aircraft... and over 70% fill factors for normal daily (or more frequent) commercial operations.

The only reason that MH is touting the Hajj "success" is that it avoids them fully declaring how big a loss they are taking on their 6 A380's... It's not about that they (or their new subsidy) will actually be able to operate the A380 routinely at a profit (even with little - if any - acquisition cost)......................

Now... I'd sure like to see someone ay out where all the other traffic is for the rest of the year here on A.N. to show that you can reasonably operate an A380 during the non-Hajj period...

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Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:38 pm

2175301 wrote:
hz747300 wrote:
One would think that there would at least be some Hajj charter company that can pick these up? Then it could do summer runs for the 'white van' crowd to go to the beaches in summer instead of the West Country.



Hajj is only officially a week long.... and while it gets stretched for practical purposes to several weeks... the fact is that it is only a peak short term period of very heavy travel. What airline can successfully own and operate an aircraft at a real profit for only a short time of each year? Yes, there may be some other tour options... but, again for only some short times each year...

There is not only Hajj. In addition there is Umrah, that can be undertaken at any time of the year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umrah

In one of the sextillion threads whe had about the A380 ;-) another (obviously Islamic) member explained in more detail.
 
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Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:05 pm

N14AZ wrote:
2175301 wrote:
hz747300 wrote:
One would think that there would at least be some Hajj charter company that can pick these up? Then it could do summer runs for the 'white van' crowd to go to the beaches in summer instead of the West Country.



Hajj is only officially a week long.... and while it gets stretched for practical purposes to several weeks... the fact is that it is only a peak short term period of very heavy travel. What airline can successfully own and operate an aircraft at a real profit for only a short time of each year? Yes, there may be some other tour options... but, again for only some short times each year...

There is not only Hajj. In addition there is Umrah, that can be undertaken at any time of the year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umrah

In one of the sextillion threads whe had about the A380 ;-) another (obviously Islamic) member explained in more detail.


While that is true... The Umrah flight loads are currently typically carried by narrow body aircraft or small wide bodies most of the year. I just don't see how adding the capacity of an A380 changes the equation. The A380 has already proven very solidly that "Build it - and they WONT come" when it comes to aircraft loads for most parts of the world (and it is my opinion that the basic marketing concept behind the A380 was "build it and they WILL come." Twice or 3 times the capacity does not mean that twice or 3 times the number of people will come... Feeding people from 3 or 4 different cities into some hub just to do a large A380 flight from that hub also does not make sense either.

But, as far as I can see... It's a dream concept that some hang onto as it's their last chance of believing that the A380 will be more of a success somewhere.

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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:00 am

Plane will be ferried to Tarbes next week.

The first Airbus SE superjumbo to exit service will be stored minus its engines at a French airfield next week as its owner seeks a new operator for a plane that while still relatively young in industry terms has fallen out of favor with airlines.

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Dr. Peters, which owns four A380s, told Bloomberg that talks with potential new users of the plane continue and that it remains “optimistic” about agreeing a deal. At the same time, the jet’s engines will be removed and returned to their manufacturer Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc for rental to other operators in a move that could buy the aircraft time or prove a prelude to its scrapping.


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Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:43 am

So what happens if they find a operator and the engines are hanging under another A380?
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:49 am

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.... The A380 has already proven very solidly that "Build it - and they WONT come" when it comes to aircraft loads for most parts of the world (and it is my opinion that the basic marketing concept behind the A380 was "build it and they WILL come."...,


You should indeed review your sources and LF statistics )and connection with real world). And before the LF comes as not related to yield... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1378375
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:55 am

flee wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
The second A380, 9V-SKB, has been withdraw from service and is being prepared for return to lessor.

As SQ has not yet taken delivery of their new build A380s, they are now 2 aircraft short.

Does anyone know if they are using other aircraft to substitute the A380 services, or are they utilising existing frames more intensively?


It is done on purpose, SQ will be flying 17 or 18 aircrafts all the way to 2020 as it takes out A380s in sequence to retrofit them with the new seats in every class :

"SIA currently has 17 A380s in its active fleet, as highlighted earlier in this report, and will likely operate 17 or 18 A380s until the retrofit programme is completed in 2020. SIA intentionally delayed the delivery of new A380s, which were initially expected to begin around the middle of this year, in order to create a lag between A380s exiting the fleet and new A380s being delivered. This essentially will result in a fleet of 17 to 18 A380s until the retrofit programme begins in late 2018, which will again result in an active fleet of 17 or 18 aircraft until the last retrofit is completed in 2020."
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:55 am

9V-SKA is on its way to Tarbes:

https://fr24.com/SIA8898/f8342a2

Airbus A380 -841 3 9V-SKA Singapore Airlines ferried 13nov17 SIN-LDE, all white, for HiFly ex F-WWSA
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:11 am

So HiFly will indeed take 9V-SKA as I said before.

Now the next question is where they will fly their A380's too :)


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Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:40 pm

I lost my hamster last time I took a flight on SQ from Singapore to London. It ate a hole in my pocket and escaped whilst I was asleep. If anyone that works for the lessor is reading this thread, please let me know if they find it.
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:55 pm

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I lost my hamster last time I took a flight on SQ from Singapore to London. It ate a hole in my pocket and escaped whilst I was asleep. If anyone that works for the lessor is reading this thread, please let me know if they find it.

The rodents in my locale love to chew on electrical wiring, which has resulted in one of my cars heading prematurely to the scrap yard. It was either that or a completely new wiring loom.
Is it your hamster that is killing off A380s? :o
And can you be specific which aircraft you lost it on; I would like to avoid booking that airframe, just in case......
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So HiFly will indeed take 9V-SKA as I said before.

Now the next question is where they will fly their A380's too :)

A388

My next question is where are they going to get four Trent 900 engines for it?

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So HiFly will indeed take 9V-SKA as I said before.

Revelation wrote:
My next question is where are they going to get four Trent 900 engines for it?
Is that even a serious question?
If they are looking at an immediate turnaround for this 'frame, then surely they will not remove the engines (unless they are unserviceable or down to their last hundred hours)
If they are NOT immediately turning it around for HiFly, then Plan B must be....
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Dr. Peters, which owns four A380s, told Bloomberg that talks with potential new users of the plane continue and that it remains “optimistic” about agreeing a deal. At the same time, the jet’s engines will be removed and returned to their manufacturer Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc for rental to other operators in a move that could buy the aircraft time or prove a prelude to its scrapping

"removed & returned to RR" sounds like half of an exchange programme. And the point of an exchange programme is that for every engine they send out, RR will get another back in exchange.
Isn't this exactly what happens, and has been happening since Noah first swapped his original outboard motor?

Presumably RR check them over, refurbishes them as required, and the re-certifies them as good for another 10,000 hours. Do you suppose there's a maintenance engineer somewhere on this site who could confirm this procedure. I'm just an occasional passenger; how would I know these things?
And the bottom line is I'm guessing RR will frequently have a set of four Trent 900s ready to go.

If you were making another point, and I totally missed it, then feel free to shoot me down. :white:
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SheikhDjibouti wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Dr. Peters, which owns four A380s, told Bloomberg that talks with potential new users of the plane continue and that it remains “optimistic” about agreeing a deal. At the same time, the jet’s engines will be removed and returned to their manufacturer Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc for rental to other operators in a move that could buy the aircraft time or prove a prelude to its scrapping

"removed & returned to RR" sounds like half of an exchange programme. And the point of an exchange programme is that for every engine they send out, RR will get another back in exchange.
Isn't this exactly what happens, and has been happening since Noah first swapped his original outboard motor?

Presumably RR check them over, refurbishes them as required, and the re-certifies them as good for another 10,000 hours. Do you suppose there's a maintenance engineer somewhere on this site who could confirm this procedure. I'm just an occasional passenger; how would I know these things?
And the bottom line is I'm guessing RR will frequently have a set of four Trent 900s ready to go.

If you were making another point, and I totally missed it, then feel free to shoot me down. :white:

I don't see how you can go from the highlighted statement to a routine return for refurbishment. If so, then I blame the author of the article for a very misleading statement. It seems clear to me that the return is for rental income that will buy time before the investors need to decide to scrap the plane. If this was a routine return for refurbishment, the author should have made that clear.
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Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:47 pm

Tarmac Aerosave has received the plane, which is also the 500th plane they have handled.

https://twitter.com/TarmacAerosave/stat ... 6276340736

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Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:20 pm

Is the interior still intact, or was it stripped?
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Is the interior still intact, or was it stripped?

I'm pretty sure all airlines strip the interior down as part of the decommissioning programme before sending the airframe off for storage.
Lots of useful spares to be had. But I'd guess it's what the contract with the next owner states. A bit like stating what you're going to leave in your house to the estate agent when moving.
 
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:41 am

A388 wrote:
So HiFly will indeed take 9V-SKA as I said before.

jeffrey0032j wrote:
Tarmac Aerosave has received the plane...

That's what I do not understand: HiFly want to start operations "by spring 2018" (source: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... 0-leasing/), other sources said in Q1 of 2018.
So why put it into storage, remove the engines when they will start operations in some months? I always thought they will take over an ex-SQ-bird but not necissarily ex 9V-SKA.

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peterinlisbon wrote:
I lost my hamster last time I took a flight on SQ from Singapore to London. It ate a hole in my pocket and escaped whilst I was asleep. If anyone that works for the lessor is reading this thread, please let me know if they find it.

The rodents in my locale love to chew on electrical wiring, which has resulted in one of my cars heading prematurely to the scrap yard. It was either that or a completely new wiring loom.
Is it your hamster that is killing off A380s? :o
And can you be specific which aircraft you lost it on; I would like to avoid booking that airframe, just in case......


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Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:52 pm

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That's what I do not understand: HiFly want to start operations "by spring 2018" (source: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... 0-leasing/), other sources said in Q1 of 2018.
So why put it into storage, remove the engines when they will start operations in some months? I always thought they will take over an ex-SQ-bird but not necissarily ex 9V-SKA.


It depends on the engine contracts. If RR owns the engines and is leasing them out, in this full service contracts, than RRey could have use for the engines while the bird is outfitted for the new operator. Supplying engines again when the outfitting is done.
 
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:08 pm

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I'm sorry but I can't remember. I lost another one during my tour of the Airbus factory.


you have a hamster factory in your pocket?
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Re: First Airbus A380 parked amid search for new operator

Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:34 pm

Dr Peters chief confirms BA talks on ex-Singapore Airlines A380s
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -a-443294/
 
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Dr Peters chief confirms BA talks on ex-Singapore Airlines A380s
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -a-443294/

Yes, that's true, BA is named, but it's a lot more scattered than just BA:

"We are in discussion with a number of potential buyers, including British Airways and a number of other European flag carriers as well as Asian low-cost airlines," Anselm Gehling, Dr Peters' chief executive, tells FlightGlobal. "A number of freight companies are also showing interest for freighter conversion, including one of the world's largest cargo shippers.

And they're now taking the opportunity to let us know that Hi Fly was never going to be to taking any of their A380s:

"Hi Fly is also welcome to have discussions with us after they announced they wanted A380s earlier this year, which at the time some thought would be our aircraft," he adds.

I'm starting to wonder if the "Bull____ Castle" has opened a branch office.
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