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hkcanadaexpat
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:35 am

NateGreat wrote:
Could someone on here start a thread, similar to the threads about narrowbody deliveries and refurbishments, tracking the 777 retrofits that will start this Spring?

widebody retrofits will be covered here. all things narrowbody well covered already in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382503
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:48 am

Aircraft change effective 12/31 & 1/1:
+ scheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 764); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ scheduled additional ATL-LHR flight (operated by 763ER-high J); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ scheduled additional SEA-NRT flight (operated by 333)
+ scheduled upgrade on JFK-MAD route (764 replaces 763ER-low J); 12/31
+ unscheduled upgrade on MSP-ATL route (763ER-low J replaces 753)
+ unscheduled upgrade on JFK-LHR route (764 replaces 763ER-high J); 12/31
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-CDG route (333 replaces 332); 1/1
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-MAD route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J); 1/1
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on ATL-NRT route (772 replaces 77L); 1/1
+ ATL-NRT ferry flight (operated by 772); maintenance swap
+ DTW-NRT-SIN ferry flight (operated by 77L); maintenance swap
+ DTW-LAX ferry flight (operated by 744); Rose Bowl repositioning

Other:
+ N865DA (772) exited AMA paint shop (14 days); 1/1
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:56 am

klm617 wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
klm617 wrote:
I enjoy reading this thread but there seems to be a trend none of the widebody a adjustments never seem to be at DTW there are always at ATL, JFK and MSP


Apparently you can’t see because DTW is all over the upgrades list.

Jeremy


Please help me out then were you see a DTW route up gauged from a narrow body.


Are you really getting upset that DL doesn't do hardly any unscheduled upgauges in DTW? Nobody cares about that God Awful place. Stop derailing threads with your DTW nonsense.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:17 pm

I'm curious how DL is still able to fly N674US, albeit for only 2-3 days, without having done the centre fuel tank inerting system modification, that supposedly needed to be done by Dec 31st 2017, in order for it to still be able to fly legally. Was this just a rumour for all B747s worldwide, or just for US registered aircraft?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:27 pm

777Mech wrote:
klm617 wrote:
SESGDL wrote:

Apparently you can’t see because DTW is all over the upgrades list.

Jeremy


Please help me out then were you see a DTW route up gauged from a narrow body.


Are you really getting upset that DL doesn't do hardly any unscheduled upgauges in DTW? Nobody cares about that God Awful place. Stop derailing threads with your DTW nonsense.


DTW is not a bad airport, it’s quite nice and modern, and I’ve never had a problem flying out of there. But this is not a DTW thread, and I am just correcting your mistakes when it comes to referencing DTW.

When are the a330neos coming into the fleet and do we know if there is a preliminary base of operations for them? (like the 359s have DTW).
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:44 pm

audidudi wrote:
I'm curious how DL is still able to fly N674US, albeit for only 2-3 days, without having done the centre fuel tank inerting system modification, that supposedly needed to be done by Dec 31st 2017, in order for it to still be able to fly legally. Was this just a rumour for all B747s worldwide, or just for US registered aircraft?


You are correct about the deadline however I believe ships 6308, 6309, 6310, and 6314 received the NGS mod at some point in the last few years. My guess is they were either completed or already scheduled back when the fleet was expected to fly beyond 2017.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:12 pm

N674US flies as DL9771 ATL-MZJ tomorrow morning - 9:10 departure. It took the Clemson Tigers MSY-GSP today and doing a hop GSP-ATL this afternoon.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:20 pm

N126DL wrote:
N674US flies as DL9771 ATL-MZJ tomorrow morning - 9:10 departure. It took the Clemson Tigers MSY-GSP today and doing a hop GSP-ATL this afternoon.


Sad to see her go. Only around 74,000 hours on her.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:22 pm

audidudi wrote:
I'm curious how DL is still able to fly N674US, albeit for only 2-3 days, without having done the centre fuel tank inerting system modification, that supposedly needed to be done by Dec 31st 2017, in order for it to still be able to fly legally.


The US deadline was actually Dec 26th 2017 (odd date).
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:02 am

DL_Mech wrote:
audidudi wrote:
I'm curious how DL is still able to fly N674US, albeit for only 2-3 days, without having done the centre fuel tank inerting system modification, that supposedly needed to be done by Dec 31st 2017, in order for it to still be able to fly legally.


The US deadline was actually Dec 26th 2017 (odd date).



Yeah, odd date. It didn’t make sense for DAL to retire the 744s, they had some good life left in them and the fuel tank mod, albeit hard and expensive for the airline, is it really the same price of retirement of an entire usable fleet of airplanes that were generating profits? I don’t think so...
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:47 am

Bjm0517 wrote:
DL_Mech wrote:
audidudi wrote:
I'm curious how DL is still able to fly N674US, albeit for only 2-3 days, without having done the centre fuel tank inerting system modification, that supposedly needed to be done by Dec 31st 2017, in order for it to still be able to fly legally.


The US deadline was actually Dec 26th 2017 (odd date).



Yeah, odd date. It didn’t make sense for DAL to retire the 744s, they had some good life left in them and the fuel tank mod, albeit hard and expensive for the airline, is it really the same price of retirement of an entire usable fleet of airplanes that were generating profits? I don’t think so...

If the 747s were profitable they wouldn't be getting replaced.

or if Delta thought they needed something of the same size they would have at least gone with something along the lines of the 77W.

Delta has been incredibly conservative on its fleet decisions. They aren't replacing the 747s just to do it. Thats just not at all how the airline operates.
audidudi wrote:
I'm curious how DL is still able to fly N674US, albeit for only 2-3 days, without having done the centre fuel tank inerting system modification, that supposedly needed to be done by Dec 31st 2017, in order for it to still be able to fly legally. Was this just a rumour for all B747s worldwide, or just for US registered aircraft?
rumor? lol.

All anyone has to do is go to FAA.gov and they can look up any AD required for aircraft. If the planes packs are under the center fuel tank it had to have a NGS system added to it. Delta originally did the mod on 4-6 airplanes but decided the price was right for the A350. Also they were tired of dealing with the (much) higher maintenance costs of the 744 fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:52 am

deltal1011man wrote:
Bjm0517 wrote:
DL_Mech wrote:

The US deadline was actually Dec 26th 2017 (odd date).



Yeah, odd date. It didn’t make sense for DAL to retire the 744s, they had some good life left in them and the fuel tank mod, albeit hard and expensive for the airline, is it really the same price of retirement of an entire usable fleet of airplanes that were generating profits? I don’t think so...

If the 747s were profitable they wouldn't be getting replaced.

or if Delta thought they needed something of the same size they would have at least gone with something along the lines of the 77W.

Delta has been incredibly conservative on its fleet decisions. They aren't replacing the 747s just to do it. Thats just not at all how the airline operates.
audidudi wrote:
I'm curious how DL is still able to fly N674US, albeit for only 2-3 days, without having done the centre fuel tank inerting system modification, that supposedly needed to be done by Dec 31st 2017, in order for it to still be able to fly legally. Was this just a rumour for all B747s worldwide, or just for US registered aircraft?
rumor? lol.

All anyone has to do is go to FAA.gov and they can look up any AD required for aircraft. If the planes packs are under the center fuel tank it had to have a NGS system added to it. Delta originally did the mod on 4-6 airplanes but decided the price was right for the A350. Also they were tired of dealing with the (much) higher maintenance costs of the 744 fleet.


deltal1011man - any creditability to some previously discussed rumor that DL may seek to get more A350s sooner?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:28 am

jbs2886 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
Bjm0517 wrote:


Yeah, odd date. It didn’t make sense for DAL to retire the 744s, they had some good life left in them and the fuel tank mod, albeit hard and expensive for the airline, is it really the same price of retirement of an entire usable fleet of airplanes that were generating profits? I don’t think so...

If the 747s were profitable they wouldn't be getting replaced.

or if Delta thought they needed something of the same size they would have at least gone with something along the lines of the 77W.

Delta has been incredibly conservative on its fleet decisions. They aren't replacing the 747s just to do it. Thats just not at all how the airline operates.
audidudi wrote:
I'm curious how DL is still able to fly N674US, albeit for only 2-3 days, without having done the centre fuel tank inerting system modification, that supposedly needed to be done by Dec 31st 2017, in order for it to still be able to fly legally. Was this just a rumour for all B747s worldwide, or just for US registered aircraft?
rumor? lol.

All anyone has to do is go to FAA.gov and they can look up any AD required for aircraft. If the planes packs are under the center fuel tank it had to have a NGS system added to it. Delta originally did the mod on 4-6 airplanes but decided the price was right for the A350. Also they were tired of dealing with the (much) higher maintenance costs of the 744 fleet.


deltal1011man - any creditability to some previously discussed rumor that DL may seek to get more A350s sooner?

like any rumor you have to take it with a large grain of salt. First we heard Delta really wants out of the A350 and go all in on the 339. Now people are saying Delta wants at least all 15 of the front part of the order tomorrow. My guess is it is somewhere in between. If Airbus is willing to offer Delta a good deal I'm sure they will take it.

Just because of the tax bill, we will probably see Delta get more aggressive in fleet replacement and possibly even a little higher than planned growth. I'm still betting on 787s by 2025. ;)

Hopefully GE pulls its head out of its ass and offers up MRO deals for the LEAP and possibly the GEnX. :crossfingers:
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:34 am

deltal1011man wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
If the 747s were profitable they wouldn't be getting replaced.

or if Delta thought they needed something of the same size they would have at least gone with something along the lines of the 77W.

Delta has been incredibly conservative on its fleet decisions. They aren't replacing the 747s just to do it. Thats just not at all how the airline operates.
rumor? lol.

All anyone has to do is go to FAA.gov and they can look up any AD required for aircraft. If the planes packs are under the center fuel tank it had to have a NGS system added to it. Delta originally did the mod on 4-6 airplanes but decided the price was right for the A350. Also they were tired of dealing with the (much) higher maintenance costs of the 744 fleet.


deltal1011man - any creditability to some previously discussed rumor that DL may seek to get more A350s sooner?

like any rumor you have to take it with a large grain of salt. First we heard Delta really wants out of the A350 and go all in on the 339. Now people are saying Delta wants at least all 15 of the front part of the order tomorrow. My guess is it is somewhere in between. If Airbus is willing to offer Delta a good deal I'm sure they will take it.

Just because of the tax bill, we will probably see Delta get more aggressive in fleet replacement and possibly even a little higher than planned growth. I'm still betting on 787s by 2025. ;)

Hopefully GE pulls its head out of its ass and offers up MRO deals for the LEAP and possibly the GEnX. :crossfingers:


I'm hoping for 787s, too! I would also like aggressive replacement and some expansion.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:50 am

I'm going to call time-out here, what in the heck are these "previously discussed rumors" about a) DL wanting more A350's and/or b) DL wanting out of the A350 and going "all-in on A339s".

They ordered 25 A350s and 25 A339s. They deffered/pushed out the last 10 A350s but they are still on-track to get the first 15, of which they will have taken delivery of 11 of them in the next 6 months.

This all sounds like cockpit / galley / hangar gossip-talk.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:10 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I'm going to call time-out here, what in the heck are these "previously discussed rumors" about a) DL wanting more A350's and/or b) DL wanting out of the A350 and going "all-in on A339s".

They ordered 25 A350s and 25 A339s. They deffered/pushed out the last 10 A350s but they are still on-track to get the first 15, of which they will have taken delivery of 11 of them in the next 6 months.

This all sounds like cockpit / galley / hangar gossip-talk.


There had been some points to that effect previously, so I was asking whether there was some credibility to it, or really was just unsubstantiated gossip.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:12 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I'm going to call time-out here, what in the heck are these "previously discussed rumors" about a) DL wanting more A350's and/or b) DL wanting out of the A350 and going "all-in on A339s".

They ordered 25 A350s and 25 A339s. They deffered/pushed out the last 10 A350s but they are still on-track to get the first 15, of which they will have taken delivery of 11 of them in the next 6 months.

This all sounds like cockpit / galley / hangar gossip-talk.

A member here connected to Airbus has posted that Delta was looking to at least defer/cancel some, if not all of the A350 because it was a little too large for what Delta wants.
Not just gossip because Delta/United/American have all made fairly large changes to the A350 order book, exactly has said member said. (I forget who it was.)


and its not "wanting more" A350s but getting the first 15 a little bit quicker than originally planned.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread

Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:02 am

I have set up a new thread for 2018 Delta Widebody Activity.
Link below:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382633
Mods, please lock this thread.
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