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First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:14 pm

What civil airline was the first to schedule regular transoceanic passenger flights on heavier-than-air landplanes?

(I almost said "intercontinental", but I guess Singapore to Australia would count there.)

I would have said it was AOA in late 1945, but Davies says it was earlier than that. Think he's right?
 
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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:13 pm

What's AOA? Who's Davies? Title says "Intercontinental" (which could be Gibraltar- Tangiers), then you ask for "transoceanic". I believe you have to clean up your post a bit before a meaningful discussion can be had.
 
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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:43 pm

Was it not Lufthansa with a focke-wulf fw 200 'condor' in 1938 from Berlin to New York?

Well that was the first land based transatlantic.
 
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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:23 pm

Zachbt wrote:
Was it not Lufthansa with a focke-wulf fw 200 'condor' in 1938 from Berlin to New York?

Well that was the first land based transatlantic.


Indeed it was, and it was revolutionary in those days. Until then all flights across the ocean were done on floatplanes that could land at the sea to refuel. This aircraft could make the whole trip (about 24 hours) without refueling.

A few years later the first American built land aircraft also made it across the ocean, the Boeing 377 and the Douglas DC-4. But the Germans were the first.
 
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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:47 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Zachbt wrote:
Was it not Lufthansa with a focke-wulf fw 200 'condor' in 1938 from Berlin to New York?

Well that was the first land based transatlantic.


Indeed it was, and it was revolutionary in those days. Until then all flights across the ocean were done on floatplanes that could land at the sea to refuel. This aircraft could make the whole trip (about 24 hours) without refueling.

A few years later the first American built land aircraft also made it across the ocean, the Boeing 377 and the Douglas DC-4. But the Germans were the first.


If memory correct, the flight to NYC with the Condor was a one-off demonstration flight, not scheduled service. I pretty sure the scheduled landplane service on transatlantic routes was by AA's transatlantic subsidiary American Overseas Airlines (AOA) in October 1945 using the DC-4.
 
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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:29 pm

On December 15, 1934 a KLM Fokker F-18 'Snip' departed from AMS for the Netherlands Antilles island of Curacao carrying 26.500 Xmas letters.

This was KLM's first Transatlantic flight and was operated with a fixed wing aircraft.
 
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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:36 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Zachbt wrote:
Was it not Lufthansa with a focke-wulf fw 200 'condor' in 1938 from Berlin to New York?

Well that was the first land based transatlantic.


Indeed it was, and it was revolutionary in those days. Until then all flights across the ocean were done on floatplanes that could land at the sea to refuel. This aircraft could make the whole trip (about 24 hours) without refueling.


A 24hr non-stop flight would indeed have been revolutionary back in 1938. Wikipedia states the plane could fly 26 passengers. I assume the plane had lavatories and galleys to support all those passengers? What did the seats look like? Did the planes include sleeping berths?
 
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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:43 pm

Viscount724 wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Zachbt wrote:
Was it not Lufthansa with a focke-wulf fw 200 'condor' in 1938 from Berlin to New York?

Well that was the first land based transatlantic.


Indeed it was, and it was revolutionary in those days. Until then all flights across the ocean were done on floatplanes that could land at the sea to refuel. This aircraft could make the whole trip (about 24 hours) without refueling.

A few years later the first American built land aircraft also made it across the ocean, the Boeing 377 and the Douglas DC-4. But the Germans were the first.


If memory correct, the flight to NYC with the Condor was a one-off demonstration flight, not scheduled service. I pretty sure the scheduled landplane service on transatlantic routes was by AA's transatlantic subsidiary American Overseas Airlines (AOA) in October 1945 using the DC-4.

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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:55 pm

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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:55 pm

So no one's found a scheduled passenger flight before 1945-- I'd have agreed, but Davies says LATI flew weekly SM83s Rome to Rio starting in December 1939. He says they flew Sal to Natal-- that's 2800+ km.
 
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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:20 pm

timz wrote:
Davies says it was earlier than that.

MalevTU134 wrote:
Who's Davies?

timz wrote:
Davies says LATI flew weekly SM83s Rome to Rio starting in December 1939. He says they flew Sal to Natal-- that's 2800+ km.


I assume you mean this Davies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._E._G._Davies

Could you cite which publication of his you are referring to please?

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Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:43 pm

Think it was called History of the World's Airlines-- came out around 1962. See pages 222-23 and 319.

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