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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:10 pm

WWads wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
Seems like IAH will be able to get back up to full speed faster than HOU.


I wonder if the runway equipment is all trashed, after being underwater. That would preclude night ops until everything could be replaced.



CNN was reporting earlier that the FAA said that field lights at HOU were out.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:25 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
I am taking with a grain of salt the reports from the Weather Channel, CNN, Fox...etc as the media has a tendency to over hype natural and man made disasters for sake of their own ratings.


Which disasters did they over hype, specifically?

Some eye opening stats:

11,000,000,000,000 – Gallons of water Harvey has already dumped on Texas

13,000,000 – Number of people under flood watches or warnings

450,000 – Approximate number of victims who will ask FEMA for disaster assistance

30,000 – Estimated number of people seeking temporary shelter

215,000 – Students out of school after Houston canceled classes

12,000 – National Guardsmen activated

3,000 – Water rescues in Houston area

56,000 - 911 calls in a 15–hour period. A typical day is 8,000

316,000 – Power outages over the weekend

62 – counties under disaster declaration

Kinda hard to over hype this.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:33 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
B757rocket wrote:

------- Do any UA insiders have insight on operations Friday afternoon? I'm supposed to connect through IAH enroute to TPA. Only alternative is through DEN but the timing is terrible.


I would suggest rerouting through DEN while that option is still available...UA plans a limited number of flights on Thursday and more on Friday but things may not be back to some semblance of normal for a few days.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:34 pm

I understand that those who are not on the ground in Houston have a different perspective than those there. From abroad it seems hard to imagine the Houston economy and air travel resembling what it has been traditionally in the past given the widespread devestation.

It seems clear the infrastructure of IAH is relatively undamaged, and the effects on HOU are still to be determined. That being said, I can't imagine anybody, in Houston or not, can predict the new paradigm that will exist in a week or a month or a year. This is destruction on an unprecedented scale for a major US population. How this will effect the airports, travel demand, and rebuilding or flight from Houston is unknown.

Just imagine the insurance companies refusing to rebuild without home owners buying flood insurance (now, perhaps slightly more expensive), and then fill in the blanks.

How this affects both airports and aviation demand beyond the experts in this case because we are in uncharted territory.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:36 pm

UA2755 in the air with more supplies and relief I assume. Are there still pax at IAH who need to get out at this point? By a rough estimate it looks like UA has shuttled 1000+ pax out already over past 3 days.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:50 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Do we have an estimate or number of planes still on the ground in IAH and HOU? Slowly planes have been leaving IAH. Is Eva still stuck there? They were one of the last non relief flights to fly into IAH. I guess they probably are regretting the decision to not divert like most international flights did on Sunday.


Not sure how accurate this is:
IAH on the ground:

B-16718 Boeing 777-35E(ER) EVA Air
N451UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N668UA Boeing 767-322(ER) United Airlines
N32404 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N79521 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N661UA Boeing 767-322(ER) United Airlines
N33292 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N35407 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N78008 Boeing 777-224(ER) United Airlines
N53442 Boeing 737-924(ER) United Airlines
N11184 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N805UA Airbus A319-131 United Airlines
N12167 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N76526 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N455UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N12172 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N72405 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N89349 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N497UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N414UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N86316 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N447UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N17752 Boeing 737-71Q United Airlines
N77258 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N24211 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N85340 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N463UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N88331 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N89342 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N16976 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N86347 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N87318 Embraer ERJ-175 United Express
N87339 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N15912 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N13979 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N12563 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N644RW Embraer ERJ-170SE United Express
N12528 Embraer ERJ-135LR United Express
N89317 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N820UA Airbus A319-131 United Airlines
N14977 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N11544 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N11165 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N84307 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88328 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N38403 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N12900 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
PR-PSE Gulfstream 550 -
N11551 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N83329 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N89308 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88326 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N16541 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N73256 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N88335 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N82338 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N13550 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N12530 Embraer ERJ-135LR United Express
N60FK Dassault Falcon 2000EX -
N27200 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N78509 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N459UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N13989 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N88346 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N86312 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N322SG Boeing 747-481 Atlas Air
N16559 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N87353 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88310 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N1615A Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP -
N403KH Cessna 400 Corvalis TT -
N89315 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N36358 Piper PA-28-161 -
N989SE Gulfstream G100 -
N2DR Beech P35 Bonanza -
---------------------------------------------------

HOU on the ground- if this is accurate, WN has moved all their a/c:

N453MH Airbus Helicopters H145
N454MH Airbus Helicopters H145
N819QS Cessna 560 Citation Encore+
N800GN Hawker 800XP
N94JW Cessna 525C CitationJet CJ4
XA-LPK Cessna 525C CitationJet CJ4
N395HE BAe 125-800A
N702TX Airbus Helicopters H125
N155SL Bombardier Challenger 300
N888QS Hawker 900XP
N919TC Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP
N1293E Cessna 208B Grand Caravan
N3832H Mooney M-20J
N918AM Cessna 525 CitationJet CJ1
N2538U Cessna 172D Skyhawk
N4718L Piper PA-28-180
N17EN -
N7KU Amateur Vans RV-7
N321FF Mooney M20TN
N6284B Embraer Legacy 650
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:00 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
B757rocket wrote:
Addicks Reservoir is over-spilling as the water level has risen above the height of the dam, 108 feet:

https://www.harriscountyfws.org/GageDet ... ?view=full


No No No. Water is going over the ogee weir spillway. The spillway is purposely lower than the top of the dam and is *DESIGNED* to have water flow over it to prevent the catastrophic dam failure you allege is happening.

Yes, this means additional flooding downstream as the water passes but it's an expected and designed-for amount.



The practical reality is that Houston has very few storm defenses any longer due to full reservoirs/bayous/levees throughout the region.

Rainwater is flowing wherever it can go.

Rain further up in E. Texas up to Lufkin drains into the metro Houston area.

The north and west sides of Houston which are experiencing flooding are popular areas for airline employees.

It might take two to three days or more after the rain stops before rainwater can drain from roads around IAH.

United1 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
B757rocket wrote:

------- Do any UA insiders have insight on operations Friday afternoon? I'm supposed to connect through IAH enroute to TPA. Only alternative is through DEN but the timing is terrible.


I would suggest rerouting through DEN while that option is still available...UA plans a limited number of flights on Thursday and more on Friday but things may not be back to some semblance of normal for a few days.


Depends on where you are going. UA can obviously reroute alot of domestic traffic over other hubs - as WN can do to avoid HOU. UA's real challenge is that so much of its capacity to Latin America is to/from Houston; flights on most other airlines from elsewhere in the US to Central America and Mexico are running full as the result of passengers being rerouted away from IAH.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:01 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
I am taking with a grain of salt the reports from the Weather Channel, CNN, Fox...etc as the media has a tendency to over hype natural and man made disasters for sake of their own ratings.

Are. You. Kidding. Me? Pretty easy to say from your dry living room. How about you take a drive and help out the citizens from Houston if you don't think it's so bad? I know several people that live there, and their homes arw destroyed. Shame on you.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:15 pm

flight152 wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
I am taking with a grain of salt the reports from the Weather Channel, CNN, Fox...etc as the media has a tendency to over hype natural and man made disasters for sake of their own ratings.

Are. You. Kidding. Me? Pretty easy to say from your dry living room. How about you take a drive and help out the citizens from Houston if you don't think it's so bad? I know several people that live there, and their homes arw destroyed. Shame on you.


I live in Houston and I think he's 100% correct. The local media has been doing a great job covering the disaster. The national media has been downright terrible at it.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:28 pm


I live in Houston and I think he's 100% correct. The local media has been doing a great job covering the disaster. The national media has been downright terrible at it.


Have to second this. CNN/Fox/TWC makes it look like Houston won't ever recover or something like that. In some places, yes, it'll take awhile to rebuild. But for many people, they can already go to places and some business are already back open.

Speaking of that, I saw a picture of 59/Will Clayton Pkwy earlier, looks like the flooding is finally gone from that area, so at least that means IAH is more accessible now.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:32 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Do we have an estimate or number of planes still on the ground in IAH and HOU? Slowly planes have been leaving IAH. Is Eva still stuck there? They were one of the last non relief flights to fly into IAH. I guess they probably are regretting the decision to not divert like most international flights did on Sunday.


Not sure how accurate this is:
IAH on the ground:

B-16718 Boeing 777-35E(ER) EVA Air
N451UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N668UA Boeing 767-322(ER) United Airlines
N32404 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N79521 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N661UA Boeing 767-322(ER) United Airlines
N33292 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N35407 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N78008 Boeing 777-224(ER) United Airlines
N53442 Boeing 737-924(ER) United Airlines
N11184 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N805UA Airbus A319-131 United Airlines
N12167 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N76526 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N455UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N12172 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N72405 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N89349 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N497UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N414UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N86316 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N447UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N17752 Boeing 737-71Q United Airlines
N77258 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N24211 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N85340 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N463UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N88331 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N89342 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N16976 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N86347 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N87318 Embraer ERJ-175 United Express
N87339 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N15912 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N13979 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N12563 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N644RW Embraer ERJ-170SE United Express
N12528 Embraer ERJ-135LR United Express
N89317 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N820UA Airbus A319-131 United Airlines
N14977 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N11544 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N11165 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N84307 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88328 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N38403 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N12900 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
PR-PSE Gulfstream 550 -
N11551 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N83329 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N89308 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88326 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N16541 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N73256 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N88335 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N82338 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N13550 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N12530 Embraer ERJ-135LR United Express
N60FK Dassault Falcon 2000EX -
N27200 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N78509 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N459UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N13989 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N88346 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N86312 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N322SG Boeing 747-481 Atlas Air
N16559 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N87353 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88310 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N1615A Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP -
N403KH Cessna 400 Corvalis TT -
N89315 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N36358 Piper PA-28-161 -
N989SE Gulfstream G100 -
N2DR Beech P35 Bonanza -
---------------------------------------------------

HOU on the ground- if this is accurate, WN has moved all their a/c:

N453MH Airbus Helicopters H145
N454MH Airbus Helicopters H145
N819QS Cessna 560 Citation Encore+
N800GN Hawker 800XP
N94JW Cessna 525C CitationJet CJ4
XA-LPK Cessna 525C CitationJet CJ4
N395HE BAe 125-800A
N702TX Airbus Helicopters H125
N155SL Bombardier Challenger 300
N888QS Hawker 900XP
N919TC Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP
N1293E Cessna 208B Grand Caravan
N3832H Mooney M-20J
N918AM Cessna 525 CitationJet CJ1
N2538U Cessna 172D Skyhawk
N4718L Piper PA-28-180
N17EN -
N7KU Amateur Vans RV-7
N321FF Mooney M20TN
N6284B Embraer Legacy 650


Wow, United and especially United Express were caught badly with that many airplanes on the ground. Usually United is good at clearing airplanes out of an impending storm. Usually that is for blizzards though and not floods.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:43 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
tjwgrr wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Do we have an estimate or number of planes still on the ground in IAH and HOU? Slowly planes have been leaving IAH. Is Eva still stuck there? They were one of the last non relief flights to fly into IAH. I guess they probably are regretting the decision to not divert like most international flights did on Sunday.


Not sure how accurate this is:
IAH on the ground:

B-16718 Boeing 777-35E(ER) EVA Air
N451UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N668UA Boeing 767-322(ER) United Airlines
N32404 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N79521 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N661UA Boeing 767-322(ER) United Airlines
N33292 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N35407 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N78008 Boeing 777-224(ER) United Airlines
N53442 Boeing 737-924(ER) United Airlines
N11184 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N805UA Airbus A319-131 United Airlines
N12167 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N76526 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N455UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N12172 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N72405 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N89349 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N497UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N414UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N86316 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N447UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N17752 Boeing 737-71Q United Airlines
N77258 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N24211 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N85340 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N463UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N88331 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N89342 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N16976 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N86347 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N87318 Embraer ERJ-175 United Express
N87339 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N15912 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N13979 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N12563 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N644RW Embraer ERJ-170SE United Express
N12528 Embraer ERJ-135LR United Express
N89317 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N820UA Airbus A319-131 United Airlines
N14977 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N11544 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N11165 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N84307 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88328 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N38403 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N12900 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
PR-PSE Gulfstream 550 -
N11551 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N83329 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N89308 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88326 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N16541 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N73256 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N88335 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N82338 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N13550 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N12530 Embraer ERJ-135LR United Express
N60FK Dassault Falcon 2000EX -
N27200 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N78509 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N459UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N13989 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N88346 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N86312 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N322SG Boeing 747-481 Atlas Air
N16559 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N87353 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88310 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N1615A Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP -
N403KH Cessna 400 Corvalis TT -
N89315 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N36358 Piper PA-28-161 -
N989SE Gulfstream G100 -
N2DR Beech P35 Bonanza -
---------------------------------------------------

HOU on the ground- if this is accurate, WN has moved all their a/c:

N453MH Airbus Helicopters H145
N454MH Airbus Helicopters H145
N819QS Cessna 560 Citation Encore+
N800GN Hawker 800XP
N94JW Cessna 525C CitationJet CJ4
XA-LPK Cessna 525C CitationJet CJ4
N395HE BAe 125-800A
N702TX Airbus Helicopters H125
N155SL Bombardier Challenger 300
N888QS Hawker 900XP
N919TC Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP
N1293E Cessna 208B Grand Caravan
N3832H Mooney M-20J
N918AM Cessna 525 CitationJet CJ1
N2538U Cessna 172D Skyhawk
N4718L Piper PA-28-180
N17EN -
N7KU Amateur Vans RV-7
N321FF Mooney M20TN
N6284B Embraer Legacy 650


Wow, United and especially United Express were caught badly with that many airplanes on the ground. Usually United is good at clearing airplanes out of an impending storm. Usually that is for blizzards though and not floods.


Why would they remove aircraft from IAH? The field didn't flood and nor was it expected to...
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:01 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:

I live in Houston and I think he's 100% correct. The local media has been doing a great job covering the disaster. The national media has been downright terrible at it.


Have to second this. CNN/Fox/TWC makes it look like Houston won't ever recover or something like that. In some places, yes, it'll take awhile to rebuild. But for many people, they can already go to places and some business are already back open.

Speaking of that, I saw a picture of 59/Will Clayton Pkwy earlier, looks like the flooding is finally gone from that area, so at least that means IAH is more accessible now.


You guys are kidding right? It's not 1985 anymore. Anyone can access local news easily via the Interwebz and see the same headlines as the national outlets:

KHOU: Live Coverage: Rescues continue after catastrophic storm damage from Harvey.
KPRC: Harvey breaks US rainfall record. Rainfall in Greater Houston could fill Great Salt Lake twice.

Can go on and on.

I know some Texans like to think they're tough but this is a real extreme weather event. How do you expect any media to report this?
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:14 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
I know some Texans like to think they're tough but this is a real extreme weather event. How do you expect any media to report this?


I'm not from Houston, but I set the bar for media to report accurately. That means avoiding baseless speculation. That means putting things in proper context.

I'll let most of the media slide on the various platitudes and cliches about this 'catastrophic,' 'unprecedented' storm. They can't resist the platitudes, and most of them are harmless. The bigger problem is when consumers of media take those cliches and platitudes too literally.

Likewise, the pointless factoids like the one about the volume of rain matching the Great Salt Lake is interesting, but meaningless. That's such an abstraction as to have no meaning for a regular person. It tells you nothing about the actual impact of the storm.

I'll cut them some slack since there's a lot that we just don't know yet, but the proper media response is to say just that: there's a lot that we don't know.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:15 pm

UA2755 is at the gate. Any more pax to ferry out?
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:20 pm

blockski wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
I know some Texans like to think they're tough but this is a real extreme weather event. How do you expect any media to report this?


I'm not from Houston, but I set the bar for media to report accurately. That means avoiding baseless speculation. That means putting things in proper context.

I'll let most of the media slide on the various platitudes and cliches about this 'catastrophic,' 'unprecedented' storm. They can't resist the platitudes, and most of them are harmless. The bigger problem is when consumers of media take those cliches and platitudes too literally.

Likewise, the pointless factoids like the one about the volume of rain matching the Great Salt Lake is interesting, but meaningless. That's such an abstraction as to have no meaning for a regular person. It tells you nothing about the actual impact of the storm.

I'll cut them some slack since there's a lot that we just don't know yet, but the proper media response is to say just that: there's a lot that we don't know.


Catastrophic is the scientific term the National Weather Service is using to describe the flood damage. You want to second guess them as well or are the rainfall and river gauges part of the conspiracy and hype?

Again, what would be the proper response? Thousands of people are flooded out of their homes but we shouldn't report on you until we know every single aspect of this storm.

I agree about weather hype. I live in DC, the overhyped snowstorm capital of the world. We get so many snowstorm prediction busts from the local media that people regularly make fun of forecasters here. But this storm isn't hype and predictions were quite accurate.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:29 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
blockski wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
I know some Texans like to think they're tough but this is a real extreme weather event. How do you expect any media to report this?


I'm not from Houston, but I set the bar for media to report accurately. That means avoiding baseless speculation. That means putting things in proper context.

I'll let most of the media slide on the various platitudes and cliches about this 'catastrophic,' 'unprecedented' storm. They can't resist the platitudes, and most of them are harmless. The bigger problem is when consumers of media take those cliches and platitudes too literally.

Likewise, the pointless factoids like the one about the volume of rain matching the Great Salt Lake is interesting, but meaningless. That's such an abstraction as to have no meaning for a regular person. It tells you nothing about the actual impact of the storm.

I'll cut them some slack since there's a lot that we just don't know yet, but the proper media response is to say just that: there's a lot that we don't know.


Catastrophic is the scientific term the National Weather Service is using to describe the flood damage. You want to second guess them as well or are the rainfall and river gauges part of the conspiracy and hype?

Again, what would be the proper response? Thousands of people are flooded out of their homes but we shouldn't report on you until we know every single aspect of this storm.

I agree about weather hype. I live in DC, the overhyped snowstorm capital of the world. We get so many snowstorm prediction busts from the local media that people regularly make fun of forecasters here. But this storm isn't hype and predictions were quite accurate.


I know a lot of outsiders seem to think they're experts on Houston based weather and terrain but how can we expect them to believe different since the internet tells them all they need to know and is always right?

What's on TV and what's on the internet are not the same thing. The internet is full of troll based click bait.

All this about being in uncharted territory is garbage. Katrina was uncharted territory. Camille was uncharted territory. The storm of the century in the 90s was uncharted territory. The tornado outbreak of 1974 was uncharted territory. This Houston and other cities have been through.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:31 pm

United1 wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
tjwgrr wrote:

Not sure how accurate this is:
IAH on the ground:

B-16718 Boeing 777-35E(ER) EVA Air
N451UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N668UA Boeing 767-322(ER) United Airlines
N32404 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N79521 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N661UA Boeing 767-322(ER) United Airlines
N33292 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N35407 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N78008 Boeing 777-224(ER) United Airlines
N53442 Boeing 737-924(ER) United Airlines
N11184 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N805UA Airbus A319-131 United Airlines
N12167 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N76526 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N455UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N12172 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N72405 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N89349 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N497UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N414UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N86316 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N447UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N17752 Boeing 737-71Q United Airlines
N77258 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N24211 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N85340 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N463UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N88331 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N89342 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N16976 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N86347 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N87318 Embraer ERJ-175 United Express
N87339 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N15912 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N13979 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N12563 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N644RW Embraer ERJ-170SE United Express
N12528 Embraer ERJ-135LR United Express
N89317 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N820UA Airbus A319-131 United Airlines
N14977 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N11544 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N11165 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N84307 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88328 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N38403 Boeing 737-924 United Airlines
N12900 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
PR-PSE Gulfstream 550 -
N11551 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N83329 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N89308 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88326 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N16541 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N73256 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N88335 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N82338 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N13550 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N12530 Embraer ERJ-135LR United Express
N60FK Dassault Falcon 2000EX -
N27200 Embraer ERJ-145XR United Express
N78509 Boeing 737-824 United Airlines
N459UA Airbus A320-232 United Airlines
N13989 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N88346 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N86312 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N322SG Boeing 747-481 Atlas Air
N16559 Embraer ERJ-145LR United Express
N87353 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N88310 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N1615A Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP -
N403KH Cessna 400 Corvalis TT -
N89315 Embraer ERJ-175LR United Express
N36358 Piper PA-28-161 -
N989SE Gulfstream G100 -
N2DR Beech P35 Bonanza -
---------------------------------------------------

HOU on the ground- if this is accurate, WN has moved all their a/c:

N453MH Airbus Helicopters H145
N454MH Airbus Helicopters H145
N819QS Cessna 560 Citation Encore+
N800GN Hawker 800XP
N94JW Cessna 525C CitationJet CJ4
XA-LPK Cessna 525C CitationJet CJ4
N395HE BAe 125-800A
N702TX Airbus Helicopters H125
N155SL Bombardier Challenger 300
N888QS Hawker 900XP
N919TC Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP
N1293E Cessna 208B Grand Caravan
N3832H Mooney M-20J
N918AM Cessna 525 CitationJet CJ1
N2538U Cessna 172D Skyhawk
N4718L Piper PA-28-180
N17EN -
N7KU Amateur Vans RV-7
N321FF Mooney M20TN
N6284B Embraer Legacy 650


Wow, United and especially United Express were caught badly with that many airplanes on the ground. Usually United is good at clearing airplanes out of an impending storm. Usually that is for blizzards though and not floods.


Why would they remove aircraft from IAH? The field didn't flood and nor was it expected to...


Any standing water that may exist is not good for axles and brakes. It can lead to corrosion. In addition the lightening, hail, winds and tornado threats all could damage the airplanes. While United isn't flying a full schedule due to the number of flights cancelled with IAH out of the network, those extra airplanes could be used. Utilization is very high right now, so spare airplanes can allow more maintenance ground time to clean up any open deferrals. Having the extra 767-300ER in EWR could let UA clean up all the deferrals by increasing ground time on a number of their 767s to let maintenance address any open issues. There are also some airplanes in IAH that are probably missing some time limited maintenance or A checks.

Extra airplanes also open up some flexibility. Dispatch and crew scheduling are going to be working overtime trying to keep the rest of the airline together. Any airplane or crew that was supposed to go through IAH as part of a trip has to get rescheduled. Let's say a 737 is scheduled to fly DEN-PHX-IAH-MCO-EWR in a day. Obviously both PHX-IAH and IAH-MCO flights are canceled, but UA isn't going to just ferry a plane PHX-MCO. They have to adjust inbound and outbound flights and potentially tweak some schedules. The problem is that many hubs like DEN are banked, so airplanes are routed through outstations to other hubs to keep the timing of the hub banks workeable. Switching routes around requires extra flexibility. UA can use a plane that was scheduled to do MCO-IAH earlier in the day to protect the MCO-EWR flight that I was suggesting, but it can get challenging when one flight was a 737-800 and another a 737-900ER. Crew scheduling also has to get involved. The 737 which is currently stuck in IAH could have been more useful in the network if it was sitting in MCO. Even with low utilization, extra airplanes helps deal with the scheduling mess of a closed hubs. More planes in the network that aren't stuck is usually better. UA can then decide which airplanes it can park for a day and keep those in airports like DEN and use them if needed. I'm guessing DEN and ORD have lots of extra UA planes right now.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:31 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
blockski wrote:

I'm not from Houston, but I set the bar for media to report accurately. That means avoiding baseless speculation. That means putting things in proper context.

I'll let most of the media slide on the various platitudes and cliches about this 'catastrophic,' 'unprecedented' storm. They can't resist the platitudes, and most of them are harmless. The bigger problem is when consumers of media take those cliches and platitudes too literally.

Likewise, the pointless factoids like the one about the volume of rain matching the Great Salt Lake is interesting, but meaningless. That's such an abstraction as to have no meaning for a regular person. It tells you nothing about the actual impact of the storm.

I'll cut them some slack since there's a lot that we just don't know yet, but the proper media response is to say just that: there's a lot that we don't know.


Catastrophic is the scientific term the National Weather Service is using to describe the flood damage. You want to second guess them as well or are the rainfall and river gauges part of the conspiracy and hype?

Again, what would be the proper response? Thousands of people are flooded out of their homes but we shouldn't report on you until we know every single aspect of this storm.

I agree about weather hype. I live in DC, the overhyped snowstorm capital of the world. We get so many snowstorm prediction busts from the local media that people regularly make fun of forecasters here. But this storm isn't hype and predictions were quite accurate.


What's on TV and what's on the internet are not the same thing. The internet is full of troll based click bait.

All this about being in uncharted territory is garbage. Katrina was uncharted territory. Camille was uncharted territory. The storm of the century in the 90s was uncharted territory. The tornado outbreak of 1974 was uncharted territory. This Houston and other cities have been through.


Do you know you can live feed local TV channels on any device. Those headlines were part of Houston's local TV broadcasts.

I don't second guess locals but I'm guessing you're weather service office is likely filled with people that know the Houston weather scene very well. They are calling it catastrophic and record setting and have the data to back this up.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:32 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:

Catastrophic is the scientific term the National Weather Service is using to describe the flood damage. You want to second guess them as well or are the rainfall and river gauges part of the conspiracy and hype?

Again, what would be the proper response? Thousands of people are flooded out of their homes but we shouldn't report on you until we know every single aspect of this storm.

I agree about weather hype. I live in DC, the overhyped snowstorm capital of the world. We get so many snowstorm prediction busts from the local media that people regularly make fun of forecasters here. But this storm isn't hype and predictions were quite accurate.


What's on TV and what's on the internet are not the same thing. The internet is full of troll based click bait.

All this about being in uncharted territory is garbage. Katrina was uncharted territory. Camille was uncharted territory. The storm of the century in the 90s was uncharted territory. The tornado outbreak of 1974 was uncharted territory. This Houston and other cities have been through.


Do you know you can live feed local TV channels on any device. Those headlines were part of Houston's local TV broadcasts.


Dude, I have power. I watch local channels.

Likewise I've been driving around today. Roads that were flooded as recently as last night are not flooded today. This city drains very well.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:40 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

What's on TV and what's on the internet are not the same thing. The internet is full of troll based click bait.

All this about being in uncharted territory is garbage. Katrina was uncharted territory. Camille was uncharted territory. The storm of the century in the 90s was uncharted territory. The tornado outbreak of 1974 was uncharted territory. This Houston and other cities have been through.


Do you know you can live feed local TV channels on any device. Those headlines were part of Houston's local TV broadcasts.


Dude, I have power. I watch local channels.

Likewise I've been driving around today. Roads that were flooded as recently as last night are not flooded today. This city drains very well.


Thank you. People outside of the region have no clue what they're talking about. A lot of roads aren't even underwater anymore. A lot of the freeways are draining now - 288 (which was a lake yesterday) is almost passable now its drained so much. Some businesses are open and people are out and about.

Not to say there's not areas of town that aren't devastated (there are), but a lot of the city will recover VERY quickly. Most people didn't lose power. And you know what? I didn't realize why the hysteria was so high until I actually switched from Channel 13 to CNN last night - they make it look like its the end of the world here or something - focusing in on specific neighborhoods that are devastated. Local news is doing a much better job showing the breadth of neighborhoods from completely dry to utterly devastated. CNN just shows the devastation.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:40 pm

I fear a fuel shortage may be approaching as far as JET-A is concerned
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:46 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
Rainfall totals to date:

IAH: 28.33"
HOU: 33.88"

Still more forecast to come, but maybe not as much as once thought as Harvey heads further east

News reports that a major dam in the Houston area has started to over spill. :(
Addicks dam.


It appears the storm is going to make another circle around Houston according to news reports. Indications there will be no letup until at least Thursday. Official are stating due to the geography and ground saturation, it could take 30 days before all these waters have fully receded.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:57 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
United1 wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:

Wow, United and especially United Express were caught badly with that many airplanes on the ground. Usually United is good at clearing airplanes out of an impending storm. Usually that is for blizzards though and not floods.


Why would they remove aircraft from IAH? The field didn't flood and nor was it expected to...


Any standing water that may exist is not good for axles and brakes. It can lead to corrosion. In addition the lightening, hail, winds and tornado threats all could damage the airplanes. While United isn't flying a full schedule due to the number of flights cancelled with IAH out of the network, those extra airplanes could be used. Utilization is very high right now, so spare airplanes can allow more maintenance ground time to clean up any open deferrals. Having the extra 767-300ER in EWR could let UA clean up all the deferrals by increasing ground time on a number of their 767s to let maintenance address any open issues. There are also some airplanes in IAH that are probably missing some time limited maintenance or A checks.

Extra airplanes also open up some flexibility. Dispatch and crew scheduling are going to be working overtime trying to keep the rest of the airline together. Any airplane or crew that was supposed to go through IAH as part of a trip has to get rescheduled. Let's say a 737 is scheduled to fly DEN-PHX-IAH-MCO-EWR in a day. Obviously both PHX-IAH and IAH-MCO flights are canceled, but UA isn't going to just ferry a plane PHX-MCO. They have to adjust inbound and outbound flights and potentially tweak some schedules. The problem is that many hubs like DEN are banked, so airplanes are routed through outstations to other hubs to keep the timing of the hub banks workeable. Switching routes around requires extra flexibility. UA can use a plane that was scheduled to do MCO-IAH earlier in the day to protect the MCO-EWR flight that I was suggesting, but it can get challenging when one flight was a 737-800 and another a 737-900ER. Crew scheduling also has to get involved. The 737 which is currently stuck in IAH could have been more useful in the network if it was sitting in MCO. Even with low utilization, extra airplanes helps deal with the scheduling mess of a closed hubs. More planes in the network that aren't stuck is usually better. UA can then decide which airplanes it can park for a day and keep those in airports like DEN and use them if needed. I'm guessing DEN and ORD have lots of extra UA planes right now.


The aircraft are not standing in water so there is no issue with the corrosion that you mention. UA is flying aircraft out of IAH as their operational plan (which is constantly evolving) requires and when they have crews available. They have added a few extra sections here and there to get passengers where they need to out of UAs other hubs...

I can appreciate the thought that you put into your post but you are overthinking things a bit...UA planned for Harvey quite well and the NOC has been working on preparation and recovery plans since long before the storm hit Texas. UA left the aircraft that they did in IAH because they didn't need them at that point, they knew the planes would be perfectly safe in IAH and be in position to help restart operations once the storm clears.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:02 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
Rainfall totals to date:

IAH: 28.33"
HOU: 33.88"

Still more forecast to come, but maybe not as much as once thought as Harvey heads further east

News reports that a major dam in the Houston area has started to over spill. :(
Addicks dam.


It appears the storm is going to make another circle around Houston according to news reports. Indications there will be no letup until at least Thursday. Official are stating due to the geography and ground saturation, it could take 30 days before all these waters have fully receded.


Where are you seeing that at....all I can find says that Harvey is doing exactly as predicted...moving slowly Eastward.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:02 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
I fear a fuel shortage may be approaching as far as JET-A is concerned

As the Houston area is the largest location for refining fuel and all refineries are shut down, indeed there could be shortages for weeks of all fuels, including JET-A. I suspect flights going into HOU/IAH will have to 'tanker' fuel from their departure location as won't be able to get fuel there.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:03 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
Rainfall totals to date:

IAH: 28.33"
HOU: 33.88"

Still more forecast to come, but maybe not as much as once thought as Harvey heads further east

News reports that a major dam in the Houston area has started to over spill. :(
Addicks dam.


It appears the storm is going to make another circle around Houston according to news reports. Indications there will be no letup until at least Thursday. Official are stating due to the geography and ground saturation, it could take 30 days before all these waters have fully receded.


Houstonians: It's not good by any stretch of the imagination, but it may not be as bad as you think.

Others: Are you serious? Don't you know how bad it is? Have you even been watching the TV?

Houstonians: Of course we have for 4 days nonstop because the vast majority of us still have power.

Others: Is this machismo Texas behavior?

Houstonians: No.

Others: This is catastrophic. It's going to take months to drain. Whole city will shut down and will never recover.

This Houstonian: :white:

I'm just at a loss. If it's the end of the world as many on here seem to think, I have no idea why on earth people would incessantly go out of their way to rub it in our faces.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:05 pm

United1 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
News reports that a major dam in the Houston area has started to over spill. :(
Addicks dam.


It appears the storm is going to make another circle around Houston according to news reports. Indications there will be no letup until at least Thursday. Official are stating due to the geography and ground saturation, it could take 30 days before all these waters have fully receded.


Where are you seeing that at....all I can find says that Harvey is doing exactly as predicted...moving slowly Eastward.


It was on The Guardian Facebook page. I might have worded it wrong, the back end of the storm is creating more rain. As for the 30 day comment, it was supposedly quoted from FEMA. I'm not able to be near a TV, but I find The Guardian pretty accurate.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:06 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
UA2755 is at the gate. Any more pax to ferry out?


Looks like there are 35 or so people on standby or cleared for the flight...there may be more.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:08 pm

jetero wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
News reports that a major dam in the Houston area has started to over spill. :(
Addicks dam.


It appears the storm is going to make another circle around Houston according to news reports. Indications there will be no letup until at least Thursday. Official are stating due to the geography and ground saturation, it could take 30 days before all these waters have fully receded.


Houstonians: It's not good by any stretch of the imagination, but it may not be as bad as you think.

Others: Are you serious? Don't you know how bad it is? Have you even been watching the TV?

Houstonians: Of course we have for 4 days nonstop because the vast majority of us still have power.

Others: Is this machismo Texas behavior?

Houstonians: No.

Others: This is catastrophic. It's going to take months to drain. Whole city will shut down and will never recover.

This Houstonian: :white:

I'm just at a loss. If it's the end of the world as many on here seem to think, I have no idea why on earth people would incessantly go out of their way to rub it in our faces.


If you are claiming my post is rubbing it in your face, you need to rethink that. I quoted The Guardian. While is is a British news source, it generally cuts through the b.s American networks repeats. I have friends in Houston too. I spoke with one this morning. He informed me it was not getting better. I'll just leave it right there. I'm not going to "rub it in your face".
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:13 pm

jetero wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
News reports that a major dam in the Houston area has started to over spill. :(
Addicks dam.


It appears the storm is going to make another circle around Houston according to news reports. Indications there will be no letup until at least Thursday. Official are stating due to the geography and ground saturation, it could take 30 days before all these waters have fully receded.


Houstonians: It's not good by any stretch of the imagination, but it may not be as bad as you think.

Others: Are you serious? Don't you know how bad it is? Have you even been watching the TV?

Houstonians: Of course we have for 4 days nonstop because the vast majority of us still have power.

Others: Is this machismo Texas behavior?

Houstonians: No.

Others: This is catastrophic. It's going to take months to drain. Whole city will shut down and will never recover.

This Houstonian: :white:

I'm just at a loss. If it's the end of the world as many on here seem to think, I have no idea why on earth people would incessantly go out of their way to rub it in our faces.


Indeed...let's say that the 450.000 number quoted above who may have to file for FEMA help is correct...that means that 6.500.000 in Houston metro won't...

Not minimising what's happening at all as it's truly horrible and I highly recommend if you are in a position to help please do so but we also need to keep some perspective here. The vast majority of the city and metro area are not flooded, have power, sewer, interwebs and cable TV and are watching this unfold at home much the same as the rest of us are.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:15 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
jetero wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:

It appears the storm is going to make another circle around Houston according to news reports. Indications there will be no letup until at least Thursday. Official are stating due to the geography and ground saturation, it could take 30 days before all these waters have fully receded.


Houstonians: It's not good by any stretch of the imagination, but it may not be as bad as you think.

Others: Are you serious? Don't you know how bad it is? Have you even been watching the TV?

Houstonians: Of course we have for 4 days nonstop because the vast majority of us still have power.

Others: Is this machismo Texas behavior?

Houstonians: No.

Others: This is catastrophic. It's going to take months to drain. Whole city will shut down and will never recover.

This Houstonian: :white:

I'm just at a loss. If it's the end of the world as many on here seem to think, I have no idea why on earth people would incessantly go out of their way to rub it in our faces.


If you are claiming my post is rubbing it in your face, you need to rethink that. I quoted The Guardian. While is is a British news source, it generally cuts through the b.s American networks repeats. I have friends in Houston too. I spoke with one this morning. He informed me it was not getting better. I'll just leave it right there. I'm not going to "rub it in your face".


The storm IS coming back, just as has been predicted for a week, but is passing to the east of the city, such that Houston will be on the "clean side" of the storm and won't get large additional volumes of rainfall.

For some areas today will be the worst--that is not in dispute. None of the experts, however, is saying that water levels will rise in the city after today. But if people want to latch on to fantastic doomsday disaster scenarios, which honestly seems to be the case with a few people, I guess knock yourself out.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:16 pm

United1 wrote:
capitalflyer wrote:
UA2755 is at the gate. Any more pax to ferry out?


Looks like there are 35 or so people on standby or cleared for the flight...there may be more.



56 already have seats. So that means another 90-100 shipping out. Maybe more as departure approaches.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:18 pm

ltbewr wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
I fear a fuel shortage may be approaching as far as JET-A is concerned

As the Houston area is the largest location for refining fuel and all refineries are shut down, indeed there could be shortages for weeks of all fuels, including JET-A. I suspect flights going into HOU/IAH will have to 'tanker' fuel from their departure location as won't be able to get fuel there.


Do helos use Jet-A as well? They have been coming and going to Atlantic at IAH on 33 constantly for the past couple days. I imagine they are using their fair share too, although maybe not as much as a pax jet.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:20 pm

jetero wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
jetero wrote:

Houstonians: It's not good by any stretch of the imagination, but it may not be as bad as you think.

Others: Are you serious? Don't you know how bad it is? Have you even been watching the TV?

Houstonians: Of course we have for 4 days nonstop because the vast majority of us still have power.

Others: Is this machismo Texas behavior?

Houstonians: No.

Others: This is catastrophic. It's going to take months to drain. Whole city will shut down and will never recover.

This Houstonian: :white:

I'm just at a loss. If it's the end of the world as many on here seem to think, I have no idea why on earth people would incessantly go out of their way to rub it in our faces.


If you are claiming my post is rubbing it in your face, you need to rethink that. I quoted The Guardian. While is is a British news source, it generally cuts through the b.s American networks repeats. I have friends in Houston too. I spoke with one this morning. He informed me it was not getting better. I'll just leave it right there. I'm not going to "rub it in your face".


The storm IS coming back, just as has been predicted for a week, but is passing to the east of the city, such that Houston will be on the "clean side" of the storm and won't get large additional volumes of rainfall.

For some areas today will be the worst--that is not in dispute. None of the experts, however, is saying that water levels will rise in the city after today. But if people want to latch on to fantastic doomsday disaster scenarios, which honestly seems to be the case with a few people, I guess knock yourself out.


Who said the flood level's were going to rise? It wasn't me. This whole thread has run it's course for me, it
s not civil aviation discussion. . I wish all Houstonians the best.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:46 pm

jetero wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
jetero wrote:

Houstonians: It's not good by any stretch of the imagination, but it may not be as bad as you think.

Others: Are you serious? Don't you know how bad it is? Have you even been watching the TV?

Houstonians: Of course we have for 4 days nonstop because the vast majority of us still have power.

Others: Is this machismo Texas behavior?

Houstonians: No.

Others: This is catastrophic. It's going to take months to drain. Whole city will shut down and will never recover.

This Houstonian: :white:

I'm just at a loss. If it's the end of the world as many on here seem to think, I have no idea why on earth people would incessantly go out of their way to rub it in our faces.


If you are claiming my post is rubbing it in your face, you need to rethink that. I quoted The Guardian. While is is a British news source, it generally cuts through the b.s American networks repeats. I have friends in Houston too. I spoke with one this morning. He informed me it was not getting better. I'll just leave it right there. I'm not going to "rub it in your face".


The storm IS coming back, just as has been predicted for a week, but is passing to the east of the city, such that Houston will be on the "clean side" of the storm and won't get large additional volumes of rainfall.

For some areas today will be the worst--that is not in dispute. None of the experts, however, is saying that water levels will rise in the city after today. But if people want to latch on to fantastic doomsday disaster scenarios, which honestly seems to be the case with a few people, I guess knock yourself out.


The west side of town isnt currently getting rain, the east side still is. On the west side, we may get a little more rain but we're pretty well done. The east side will be dealing with it for 12 more hours or so
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:47 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
It appears the storm is going to make another circle around Houston according to news reports. Indications there will be no letup until at least Thursday. Official are stating due to the geography and ground saturation, it could take 30 days before all these waters have fully receded.

It won't be making another circle. I work in a facility with some of the best meteorologists in the world, and their predictions are almost always spot on. It will again make landfall over the next 12-18 hours, push off northeast, and be exiting Texas by Thursday. The remnants will likely be over NC/VA/MD by the weekend.

I would expect limited operations to return to IAH by the end of the week.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:08 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
jetero wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:

If you are claiming my post is rubbing it in your face, you need to rethink that. I quoted The Guardian. While is is a British news source, it generally cuts through the b.s American networks repeats. I have friends in Houston too. I spoke with one this morning. He informed me it was not getting better. I'll just leave it right there. I'm not going to "rub it in your face".


The storm IS coming back, just as has been predicted for a week, but is passing to the east of the city, such that Houston will be on the "clean side" of the storm and won't get large additional volumes of rainfall.

For some areas today will be the worst--that is not in dispute. None of the experts, however, is saying that water levels will rise in the city after today. But if people want to latch on to fantastic doomsday disaster scenarios, which honestly seems to be the case with a few people, I guess knock yourself out.


Who said the flood level's were going to rise? It wasn't me. This whole thread has run it's course for me, it
s not civil aviation discussion. . I wish all Houstonians the best.


Many news outlets have reported the current levels will rise. Harvey is expected to make a 2nd landfall.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:16 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
jetero wrote:

The storm IS coming back, just as has been predicted for a week, but is passing to the east of the city, such that Houston will be on the "clean side" of the storm and won't get large additional volumes of rainfall.

For some areas today will be the worst--that is not in dispute. None of the experts, however, is saying that water levels will rise in the city after today. But if people want to latch on to fantastic doomsday disaster scenarios, which honestly seems to be the case with a few people, I guess knock yourself out.


Who said the flood level's were going to rise? It wasn't me. This whole thread has run it's course for me, it
s not civil aviation discussion. . I wish all Houstonians the best.


Many news outlets have reported the current levels will rise. Harvey is expected to make a 2nd landfall.


Yes but not that will affect the Houston area. The levels will rise for a couple of days because of the run off coming from our north.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:31 pm

I have been exclusively watching local Houston stations (all of which have been streaming free and live on-line non-stop for days). They've been doing an amazing job and I recommend anyone who wants to understand what's going on in Houston and environs, and how it might impact the airports, use these wonderful sources.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:54 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
jetero wrote:

The storm IS coming back, just as has been predicted for a week, but is passing to the east of the city, such that Houston will be on the "clean side" of the storm and won't get large additional volumes of rainfall.

For some areas today will be the worst--that is not in dispute. None of the experts, however, is saying that water levels will rise in the city after today. But if people want to latch on to fantastic doomsday disaster scenarios, which honestly seems to be the case with a few people, I guess knock yourself out.


Who said the flood level's were going to rise? It wasn't me. This whole thread has run it's course for me, it
s not civil aviation discussion. . I wish all Houstonians the best.


Many news outlets have reported the current levels will rise. Harvey is expected to make a 2nd landfall.


If you don't believe us, check out the USGS water levels and forecasts.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/tx/nwis/rt

Also, feel free to look up basic information on rainfall patterns to the west of a hurricane.

(But by all means, don't let the above take away from whatever speculation you want to make.)

Absolutely. Amazing.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:08 pm

varsity wrote:
bw50505 wrote:
I saw an article with a picture of DL aircraft (presumably at IAH or HOU) with most of the fuselages almost completely underwater. I don't know if this image is Harvey related, but how extensive and expensive is the damage on aircraft that are submerged underwater during floods?


Image

Is this the same photo? I just saw it on Facebook and I don't know the area at all so was wondering if it was legit. That could be a photoshop of C&D at LaGuardia with Manhattan in the background for all I know

EDIT: And that is exactly what it is! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dont-fall-dramatic-photo-flooded-11070138


It's a Photoshop of a Photoshop. Someone faked LGA flooded, and took that pic and made it worse.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/coas ... rise-16126
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:24 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
I fear a fuel shortage may be approaching as far as JET-A is concerned


While very possible, do you have any published links on this?

Since Houston is the origination point of the Colonial pipeline, if there are shortages of jet fuel, it becomes far more than a Houston problem.

Since several oil companies have now said their Houston area refineries have released toxic materials above allowable limits, the chances are that there is damage that might take some time to repair.

jetero wrote:
If you don't believe us, check out the USGS water levels and forecasts.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/tx/nwis/rt

Also, feel free to look up basic information on rainfall patterns to the west of a hurricane.

(But by all means, don't let the above take away from whatever speculation you want to make.)

Absolutely. Amazing.


great resource. It will take days for the area to drain given that most of the creeks and bayous are discharging water at dozens if not hundreds of times their average. Many of the creeks feed into the same rivers that largely dump into or near Galveston Bay for the Houston metro
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:41 pm

Aside from the effects of this current round of flooding (which I don't want to minimize in any way), the one major issue that will be looming over Houston for the rest of the hurricane season (or at least the most active portion of it) is that the two stormwater reservoirs are currently at capacity, and can not be drained rapidly. The ACOE has stated very plainly that it will take months to empty the reservoirs properly. This means that the city is much more vulnerable to any future heavy rain or tropical events that may occur. Granted, those events will likely affect the same low lying areas that Harvey did, but, I really hope that I don't see people that are struggling to rebuild on their own get hit again as they are recovering.

In that same vein, there is unfortunately indications on some of the models of tropical development in the Bay of Campeche in the 5-7 day timeframe that then moves a significant tropical system northward. I really hope that this model solution is an error.
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:48 pm

atl100million wrote:
While very possible, do you have any published links on this?


No, just an opinion
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:53 pm

Looks like UA ferried a flight to LAX today....UA2780 not sure if there were passengers on it or not.

The second 77W relief flight today from ORD is on the ground in IAH.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:24 pm

id]
United1 wrote:
Looks like UA ferried a flight to LAX today....UA2780 not sure if there were passengers on it or not.

The second 77W relief flight today from ORD is on the ground in IAH.


It appears that not that many of the seats were filled, but perhaps UA is using the 77W for its enormous cargo holds. Were those full of relief supplies?
 
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:33 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
B757rocket wrote:
Addicks Reservoir is over-spilling as the water level has risen above the height of the dam, 108 feet:

https://www.harriscountyfws.org/GageDet ... ?view=full


No No No. Water is going over the ogee weir spillway. The spillway is purposely lower than the top of the dam and is *DESIGNED* to have water flow over it to prevent the catastrophic dam failure you allege is happening.

Yes, this means additional flooding downstream as the water passes but it's an expected and designed-for amount.



------- Do any UA insiders have insight on operations Friday afternoon? I'm supposed to connect through IAH enroute to TPA. Only alternative is through DEN but the timing is terrible.

No way to know about IAHTPA Friday... too many unknowns about aircraft or, more importantly, crew availability. I'd go with the bad timing option.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:36 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
id]
United1 wrote:
Looks like UA ferried a flight to LAX today....UA2780 not sure if there were passengers on it or not.

The second 77W relief flight today from ORD is on the ground in IAH.


It appears that not that many of the seats were filled, but perhaps UA is using the 77W for its enormous cargo holds. Were those full of relief supplies?


Lots of inbound supplies...there are not lots of people at IAH left to fly out.
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Re: Hurricane Harvey and Houston airports

Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:47 pm

Just a reminder, we're here to discuss the AVIATION impacts of this storm on Houston. Non Aviation discussion goes to — you guessed it: The Non Aviation Forum. Other commentary will be deleted for being off-topic, so please, stick to aviation.

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