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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:17 pm

Bait and switch will damage WN's reputation in the Islands. Long memories here, and could lower local resistance to a mainland carrier basing an interisland fleet in the Islands.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:19 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
Bait and switch will damage WN's reputation in the Islands. Long memories here, and could lower local resistance to a mainland carrier basing an interisland fleet in the Islands.


In WNs defense, they never claimed to have any news. It's all been rampant speculation by the internet.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:19 pm

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Bait and switch will damage WN's reputation in the Islands. Long memories here, and could lower local resistance to a mainland carrier basing an interisland fleet in the Islands.


Honestly it serves the boys in Dallas right! This Hawaii song and dance it getting really old.....
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:21 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
Bait and switch will damage WN's reputation in the Islands. Long memories here, and could lower local resistance to a mainland carrier basing an interisland fleet in the Islands.


WN isn't interested in their local Hawaii reputation, so they likely do not care. they want to take feed away from AS in cali. They will market in within their largest west coast markets instead of targeting Hawaii locals.

I completely agree this "Hawaii talk" for the last 15 years is going to damage their reputation, and first impressions are everything.

I myself am shocked/not shocked about today. All the ducks seemed lined up, but then again, WN is the most rumor-esque filled company in the industry.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:27 pm

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Bait and switch will damage WN's reputation in the Islands. Long memories here, and could lower local resistance to a mainland carrier basing an interisland fleet in the Islands.


What bait and switch? Southwest Airlines never announced services to Hawaii. They've only ever publicly stated they intend to serve Hawaii in the future- THAT'S IT. It's the media and message boards like this website that have been speculating when Southwest will fly to Hawaii.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:27 pm

Well still nothing from HNL.
I think everyone that's a FAN of WN were really let down today.
It's was 7 yrs ago WN got everyone excited and ready for Hawaii service.
Then pushed it back to 2018 with the MAX.
Now the MAX will go in to service on October 1st.
With this sneaky Hawaiian conference everyone was like Heck ya been waiting for this day!

They want to capture their core California Strong passengers this was the Golden Opportunity!

Now it's more of a HUGE PR FAIL and MISS.
Because if I was one of the thousand companies at the conference I would be like Southwest really had a chance to hit a grand slam and gain tons of new business opportunities.
But show up finally after 7 yrs weeks before your new plane of wonder is about to go in service and have nothing.
It would make me rethink maybe I should give up hope on the Texas wonder and Reinvest FLY local FLY Hawaiian.

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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:30 pm

allegiantflyer wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
Bait and switch will damage WN's reputation in the Islands. Long memories here, and could lower local resistance to a mainland carrier basing an interisland fleet in the Islands.


WN isn't interested in their local Hawaii reputation, so they likely do not care. they want to take feed away from AS in cali. They will market in within their largest west coast markets instead of targeting Hawaii locals.

I completely agree this "Hawaii talk" for the last 15 years is going to damage their reputation, and first impressions are everything.



Even the California frequent flyers are going to get tired of this WN Hawaii Non-sense. Loyalty only goes so far and we all know by the way of AirCal ala American and PSA ala USAir it doesn’t last long if WN contiues to tweek and cut schedules, make false promises. Californians want Hawaii and they want to use the FF points on WN. Bottom line is if WN continues not to produce and continue to mumble about Hawaii - their dream of being the worlds most loved and most flow airline is going out the door. WN might have tons of frequency between LA and the Bay area.....However they do not fly to as many west coast destinations as Alaska......and they still DO NOE SEREVE HAWAII but have been talking about it since before the 737-800.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:34 pm

maybe they do it tomorrow or Friday this goes till 22nd looks like ? http://www.globaltourismsummithawaii.co ... 5f805.aspx
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:42 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Well still nothing from HNL.
I think everyone that's a FAN of WN were really let down today.
It's was 7 yrs ago WN got everyone excited and ready for Hawaii service.
Then pushed it back to 2018 with the MAX.
Now the MAX will go in to service on October 1st.
With this sneaky Hawaiian conference everyone was like Heck ya been waiting for this day!

They want to capture their core California Strong passengers this was the Golden Opportunity!

Now it's more of a HUGE PR FAIL and MISS.
Because if I was one of the thousand companies at the conference I would be like Southwest really had a chance to hit a grand slam and gain tons of new business opportunities.
But show up finally after 7 yrs weeks before your new plane of wonder is about to go in service and have nothing.
It would make me rethink maybe I should give up hope on the Texas wonder and Reinvest FLY local FLY Hawaiian.

Flyguy


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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:46 pm

Courious If we don't get any news from today thru like Friday is this over?
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:51 pm

flydulles wrote:
Courious If we don't get any news from today thru like Friday is this over?


No, my money is on the Company event in LA in October.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:56 pm

This is getting ridiculous. What the heck is WN trying to do here? They are the largest domestic air service carrier and they STILL don't fly to Hawaii?

To WN: What are you trying to prove here? You should have been to Hawaii years ago. Stop making excuses and get going on Hawaiian service already, and while you're at it, can you PLEASE start codesharing with other airlines? Stop trying to isolate yourselves.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:00 pm

what happens if we go though rest of year like by Christmas / news years week with no news this thing over?
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:08 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Well still nothing from HNL.
I think everyone that's a FAN of WN were really let down today.
It's was 7 yrs ago WN got everyone excited and ready for Hawaii service.
Then pushed it back to 2018 with the MAX.
Now the MAX will go in to service on October 1st.
With this sneaky Hawaiian conference everyone was like Heck ya been waiting for this day!

They want to capture their core California Strong passengers this was the Golden Opportunity!

Now it's more of HUGE PR FAIL and MISS.
Because if I was one of the thousand companies at the conference I would be like Southwest really had a chance to hit a grand slam and gain tons of business opportunities.
But show up finally after 7 yrs weeks before your new plane of wonder is about to go in service and have nothing.
It would make me rethink maybe I should give up hope of the Texas wonder and Reinvest FLY local FLY Hawaiian.

Flyguy


No one will know whether Southwest ever intended to announce Hawaii service a few weeks ago pre-Hurricane Harvey, or whether they had intended to announce service today (but for unknown reasons these plans changed). Southwest's sponsorship of the Global Tourism Summit is significant in and of itself, however. It gives Southwest even greater media exposure in the islands and within the travel & tourism industry. It also signals that Hawaii services are most definitely (almost?) imminent.

There might be a few reasons any service announcements may have been postponed (if there were previous plans to announce service). There could be issues with ETOPS certification, and also keep in mind that Southwest's mechanics' union has been in contract negotiations for almost 5 years and there might be aspects of the ETOPS maintainance program that are not currently addressed in the mechanics' contract.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:45 pm

airplaneboy wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well still nothing from HNL.
I think everyone that's a FAN of WN were really let down today.
It's was 7 yrs ago WN got everyone excited and ready for Hawaii service.
Then pushed it back to 2018 with the MAX.
Now the MAX will go in to service on October 1st.
With this sneaky Hawaiian conference everyone was like Heck ya been waiting for this day!

They want to capture their core California Strong passengers this was the Golden Opportunity!

Now it's more of HUGE PR FAIL and MISS.
Because if I was one of the thousand companies at the conference I would be like Southwest really had a chance to hit a grand slam and gain tons of business opportunities.
But show up finally after 7 yrs weeks before your new plane of wonder is about to go in service and have nothing.
It would make me rethink maybe I should give up hope of the Texas wonder and Reinvest FLY local FLY Hawaiian.

Flyguy


No one will know whether Southwest ever intended to announce Hawaii service a few weeks ago pre-Hurricane Harvey, or whether they had intended to announce service today (but for unknown reasons these plans changed). Southwest's sponsorship of the Global Tourism Summit is significant in and of itself, however. It gives Southwest even greater media exposure in the islands and within the travel & tourism industry. It also signals that Hawaii services are most definitely (almost?) imminent.

There might be a few reasons any service announcements may have been postponed (if there were previous plans to announce service). There could be issues with ETOPS certification, and also keep in mind that Southwest's mechanics' union has been in contract negotiations for almost 5 years and there might be aspects of the ETOPS maintainance program that are not currently addressed in the mechanics' contract.


Precisely. WN was the largest sponsor of a Global Tourism Summit. I think many people read in to the fact that it just so happened to be in Hawaii. Tourism Industry representatives from all over the country and the world are at the event. WN is probably looking for exposure, period. Doesn't necessarily have to be Hawaiian related tourism.

The unfortunate thing is that by the time WN does start service, HA, and the US3's Hawaii service expansions will already be in full swing and the AS/VX merger will be complete. They will face a steeper hill trying to finding growth opportunities in the market. The thing about Hawaii is that airline seat offerings need to be somewhat in line with hotel and vacation rental offerings. There have been articles circulating for months that hotel room capacity is falling behind air seat capacity (especially on Oahu) and the state continues to find ways to owning a rental property a less worthwhile investment each year.

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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:55 pm

There's an evidence photo on Flyertalk, a Hawaiian theme decoration at LAX gate 18 podium. Don't give up !

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/southwe ... ta-28.html
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:58 pm

I LOVE Southwest but if we don't hear anything by like christmas new years time frame time to forget it and fly united to Hawaii?
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:04 pm

HeeseokKoo wrote:
There's an evidence photo on Flyertalk, a Hawaiian theme decoration at LAX gate 18 podium. Don't give up !

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/southwe ... ta-28.html


There is also decorations at a gate in SJC I heard 2 days ago, but I heard its just for spirit week because WED is tropical themed? correct me if I'm wrong. It was why there was speculation, I'm sure it could just be a coincidence if nothing happens.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:06 pm

HeeseokKoo wrote:
There's an evidence photo on Flyertalk, a Hawaiian theme decoration at LAX gate 18 podium. Don't give up !

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/southwe ... ta-28.html


It's Spirit Week at WN. Across the country, today is Aloha Shirt day. So every city should have this. It was also a reason people thought today would be an announcement, what better day than when everyone is dressed up?
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:06 pm

allegiantflyer wrote:
HeeseokKoo wrote:
There's an evidence photo on Flyertalk, a Hawaiian theme decoration at LAX gate 18 podium. Don't give up !

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/southwe ... ta-28.html


There is also decorations at a gate in SJC I heard 2 days ago, but I heard its just for spirit week because WED is Hawaiian themed? correct me if I'm wrong, someone also suggested that pineapples are the symbol of hospitality, the focus of spirit week.

Ah, then just like many Hawaiian media, I thought of any small movement by WN as the 'sign'. Thanks for correcting me.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:37 pm

i ask noting trying to make a joke...... if we don't hear anything by say Christmas / newyears time frame time to give up and fly to Hawaii on united
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:50 pm

77H wrote:
Precisely. WN was the largest sponsor of a Global Tourism Summit. I think many people read in to the fact that it just so happened to be in Hawaii. Tourism Industry representatives from all over the country and the world are at the event. WN is probably looking for exposure, period. Doesn't necessarily have to be Hawaiian related tourism.


Just FYI, this event used to be called the Hawaii Tourism Conference (sponsored by the Hawaii Tourism Authority) and has been held for years. They renamed it the Global Tourism Summit just this year. It didn't just happen to be in Hawaii this year.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:53 pm

I fear swa to Hawaii will happen soon enough. I dread flying on a 737 for over 2 hours and I also do not like southwest but I am sure the swa employees are very excited about the potential.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:32 am

Dallas Business Journal Article on Southwest to Hawaii
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... ts-to.html
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:32 am

QANTAS747-438 wrote:
HeeseokKoo wrote:
There's an evidence photo on Flyertalk, a Hawaiian theme decoration at LAX gate 18 podium. Don't give up !

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/southwe ... ta-28.html


It's Spirit Week at WN. Across the country, today is Aloha Shirt day. So every city should have this. It was also a reason people thought today would be an announcement, what better day than when everyone is dressed up?


I had someone from WN message me that "The pineapple is the international symbol of Hospitality. Hits Hawaii theme Spirit week! "

My reply was "WN hosting a Travel Summit in Hawaii turn everyone upside down! "

"Guess no cake for Anyone ! "

Her reply was "it's still in the oven and it will
Come out when it's ready. Plus we still have the ETOPS to frost!"

Good play on words and made me a little less sad!
Well played WN media watch dogs!

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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:43 am

wnflyguy do you still expect something like announcement ect. before christmas / new years ? or is that even unlikely?
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:56 am

flydulles wrote:
wnflyguy do you still expect something like announcement ect. before christmas / new years ?


It has been in the oven for 15 years.............
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:59 am

flydulles wrote:
wnflyguy do you still expect something like announcement ect. before christmas / new years ?

As much as I truly wanted to believe all this hype.
My money going on the 7377MAX in 2019.
Out of all the hundreds of schedule predictions,rumors and speculation since the AirTran merger. This was by far the most hopeful speculation. It was Like all the ducks were in a row and WN was finally ready to take the leap!

WN company Spirit partys have almost never had a history of any big announcements so I'm not holding my breath on that either.

If it's doesn't get announced on OCT 1 first day of the MAX revenue service doing the original Texas triangle DAL-HOU-SAT-DAL then I wouldn't expect anything the rest of the year!

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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:02 am

BMWdrvr75 wrote:
flydulles wrote:
wnflyguy do you still expect something like announcement ect. before christmas / new years ?


It has been in the oven for 15 years.............


SWA doesn't have ovens onboard LOL—but, the announcement will come before the end of the year.

Side note: I find this topic incredibly boring—little VX made Hawaii look like a cake walk. I'm more interested in an overhaul of the WN product, but that's even less likely than Hawaii.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:05 am

FATFlyer wrote:
77H wrote:
Precisely. WN was the largest sponsor of a Global Tourism Summit. I think many people read in to the fact that it just so happened to be in Hawaii. Tourism Industry representatives from all over the country and the world are at the event. WN is probably looking for exposure, period. Doesn't necessarily have to be Hawaiian related tourism.


Just FYI, this event used to be called the Hawaii Tourism Conference (sponsored by the Hawaii Tourism Authority) and has been held for years. They renamed it the Global Tourism Summit just this year. It didn't just happen to be in Hawaii this year.


I stand corrected. And to think I missed this living just a few blocks away from the Convention Center.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:08 am

looks like the next schedule release is pushed back to Nov 2 will cover june 5th aug12?? https://www.southwest.com/air/flight-sc ... TSCHEDULES
could this hawaii thing have done enough to push it back ?
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:15 am

asteriskceo wrote:
BMWdrvr75 wrote:
flydulles wrote:
wnflyguy do you still expect something like announcement ect. before christmas / new years ?


It has been in the oven for 15 years.............


SWA doesn't have ovens onboard LOL—but, the announcement will come before the end of the year.

Side note: I find this topic incredibly boring—little VX made Hawaii look like a cake walk. I'm more interested in an overhaul of the WN product, but that's even less likely than Hawaii.


I can guarantee a product overhaul will never happen......Southwest LOVES their trays and service....they think it is the best in the industry....They will spend millions to modify galleys so not to use a cart like the 'other guys.' The only way this would happen is if another airline bought WN.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:19 am

Why do people think Hawaii and the 737-MAX are dependent? They are independent. Will it be a great airplane for it? Sure!
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:25 am

Obviously a bummer that they didnt announce it, but we are AvGeeks on an Aviation blog, maybe some reactions are a little ridiculous. No loyal/ high value current WN clients are going to stop flying them as a result. If FF mile trips to Hawaii was a priority, they would never have started flying WN in the first place. Reading this thread it appears there is no other way to get to Hawaii since WN wont announce it.

But I digress, I just went on Southwest's website. Clicked Rapid Rewards Travel. There is a button that says "International and Hawaii". Did a dummy booking in November for PHX to HNL roundtrip. It would cost me less Rapid Reward miles than AAdvantage miles to fly on the same AA flight. Or I can use less miles and fly HA. All on nonstop. Guess my RR miles can get me to the islands.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:34 am

So the emails just keep on coming!

"WN still has plans for Hawaii service.
But WN FIRST NEAR International destination SJU just got impacted by a major Hurricane. PUJ is also closed because of the same Hurricane. NAS is watching closely and so is Turks and Caicos WN next international destination. Then there is MEX that is closed because of a major earthquake.
While others WN family members are under catastrophic events today it wasn't the right time to Celebrate."

This leaves me to believe OCTOBER 1 first day of 737-8MAX revenue service will be the day IF they announce anything!

WN is still a Family Airline.
Maybe the Heart more than just a Paint job!

Fingers crossed.

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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:42 am

any body think it's odd didn't make some noise at this Hawaii conference they are at?
 
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Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:44 am

wnflyguy wrote:
This leaves me to believe OCTOBER 1 first day of 737-8MAX revenue service will be the day IF they announce anything!

WN is still a Family Airline.
Maybe the Heart more than just a Paint job!

One minute you're crying foul and now you're back on the rumor mill, excited as ever just because you think there is another time that they will announce Hawaii. WN will announce it when they are ready. Hawaii isn't going anywhere...
 
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Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:48 am

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Bait and switch will damage WN's reputation in the Islands. Long memories here, and could lower local resistance to a mainland carrier basing an interisland fleet in the Islands.


What bait and switch? Southwest Airlines never announced services to Hawaii. They've only ever publicly stated they intend to serve Hawaii in the future- THAT'S IT. It's the media and message boards like this website that have been speculating when Southwest will fly to Hawaii.


Consumer perception as to "bait and switch". "10 new ways to Hawaii".
If it were true bait and switch, there's legal liability. FTC action.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:29 am

airliner371 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
This leaves me to believe OCTOBER 1 first day of 737-8MAX revenue service will be the day IF they announce anything!

WN is still a Family Airline.
Maybe the Heart more than just a Paint job!

One minute you're crying foul and now you're back on the rumor mill, excited as ever just because you think there is another time that they will announce Hawaii. WN will announce it when they are ready. Hawaii isn't going anywhere...


Hahahahahaha trust me I'm still disappointed nothing happened today regardless of what Mother Nature thrown at the WN operations.
I'm glad I got some valid feedback or at least better response on why we heard Nothing of value today.
I'm sure I'm not the only one getting this type of response from the WN spin cycle.

Ya I still have High Hopes Hawaii finally happens.
But I'm still not cashing that check yet!
I'm still banking on the post date of 2019.

Hopefully Now on October 1 we all will be proven wrong and we can go back to speculation on when FAT gets WN service or when will FNT or GSP close!

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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:56 am

allegiantflyer wrote:
Also, AS didn't fly to Hawaii until 2010??


AS began service to Hawaii in 2007, with a fleet of freshly lei-painted ETOPS 737-800s.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:18 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
airliner371 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
This leaves me to believe OCTOBER 1 first day of 737-8MAX revenue service will be the day IF they announce anything!

WN is still a Family Airline.
Maybe the Heart more than just a Paint job!

One minute you're crying foul and now you're back on the rumor mill, excited as ever just because you think there is another time that they will announce Hawaii. WN will announce it when they are ready. Hawaii isn't going anywhere...


Hahahahahaha trust me I'm still disappointed nothing happened today regardless of what Mother Nature thrown at the WN operations.
I'm glad I got some valid feedback or at least better response on why we heard Nothing of value today.
I'm sure I'm not the only one getting this type of response from the WN spin cycle.

Ya I still have High Hopes Hawaii finally happens.
But I'm still not cashing that check yet!
I'm still banking on the post date of 2019.

Hopefully Now on October 1 we all will be proven wrong and we can go back to speculation on when FAT gets WN service or when will FNT or GSP close!

Flyguy


Maybe Oct 1 will be the day for FAT too!
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:28 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Hopefully Now on October 1 we all will be proven wrong and we can go back to speculation on when FAT gets WN service

Flyguy

flyfresno wrote:
Maybe Oct 1 will be the day for FAT too!


Maybe Oct 1 is the day WN announces service to Fresno that INCLUDES FAT-HNL 1X or 2X per week. :stirthepot: :spin:
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:29 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Hopefully Now on October 1 we all will be proven wrong and we can go back to speculation on when FAT gets WN service

Flyguy

flyfresno wrote:
Maybe Oct 1 will be the day for FAT too!


Maybe Oct 1 is the day WN announces service to Fresno that INCLUDES FAT-HNL 1X or 2X per week. :stirthepot: :spin:


That would be the best service announcement in Fresno's history. The only thing that could top something of that magnitude would be flights to Europe or Asia.
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:17 am

flyfresno wrote:
FATFlyer wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Hopefully Now on October 1 we all will be proven wrong and we can go back to speculation on when FAT gets WN service

Flyguy

flyfresno wrote:
Maybe Oct 1 will be the day for FAT too!


Maybe Oct 1 is the day WN announces service to Fresno that INCLUDES FAT-HNL 1X or 2X per week. :stirthepot: :spin:


That would be the best service announcement in Fresno's history. The only thing that could top something of that magnitude would be flights to Europe or Asia.


Oh yea and Palm Springs along with updating and upgrading their inflight product.....NOT
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:16 am

BMWdrvr75 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
FATFlyer wrote:


Maybe Oct 1 is the day WN announces service to Fresno that INCLUDES FAT-HNL 1X or 2X per week. :stirthepot: :spin:


That would be the best service announcement in Fresno's history. The only thing that could top something of that magnitude would be flights to Europe or Asia.


Oh yea and Palm Springs along with updating and upgrading their inflight product.....NOT

And adding assigned seats so that business travelers who want to arrive at their own time to the gate (use a lounge) can actually fly WN without getting a middle seat.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:44 am

stl07 wrote:
BMWdrvr75 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:

That would be the best service announcement in Fresno's history. The only thing that could top something of that magnitude would be flights to Europe or Asia.


Oh yea and Palm Springs along with updating and upgrading their inflight product.....NOT

And adding assigned seats so that business travelers who want to arrive at their own time to the gate (use a lounge) can actually fly WN without getting a middle seat.


Oh boy.....now you are pushing it....that would send the hillbillies ooops I mean senior leaders into a tizzy to offer something that classy.....stop your non-sense.
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:52 am

usflyguy wrote:
flydulles wrote:
wonder where they will serve out of hawaii? san diego?


SMF, SJC, OAK, LAX, SAN...


Also probably SFO, PDX, SEA
 
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:37 pm

Well the last 737-300 flight is over! Today a celebration of one day only 737-700/800NG aircraft flying. And tomorrow kicks off the MAX!
No Hurricanes anywhere near a WN destination and let's hope mother earth doesn't shake up anything to scrub a Hawaii service announcement!
It's a rather rare to have any announcements on a Sunday morning.
But it's a ALL HANDS on deck for tomorrow Morning celebration in DAL for flight #1 DAL-HOU!
The 737-300 let Gave WN the ability to spread it's wings coast to coast!
Now the MAX gives WN the ability to connect The Dots of Hawaii and the main land!
Will it Happen? Tick tock!

High hopes Flyguy
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Re: Southwest to Hawaii ---- Theories

Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:11 pm

The airline with a heart, a company that truly puts their employees and passengers first. If true a classy move to postpone what is considered a major announcement for them while they take care of their employees from Tx-FL-SJU.
 

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