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Eirules wrote:I was just thinking following yesterday's CX announcement. A few years ago, oneworld flyers at DUB essentially only had BA to LHR, IB to Madrid and a token seasonal service from AA to ORD. By next summer, we'll have year round AA to PHL & 3 seasonal routes, BA to both LHR & LCY, QR to DOH, CX to HKG, AY more than daily to HEL on top of the IB service. When (if) EI finally rejoin oneworld, that'll be an enormous increase. 7 airlines to more than 100 airports (albeit some seasonally). Excellent work from the DAA
Eirules wrote:I was just thinking following yesterday's CX announcement. A few years ago, oneworld flyers at DUB essentially only had BA to LHR, IB to Madrid and a token seasonal service from AA to ORD. By next summer, we'll have year round AA to PHL & 3 seasonal routes, BA to both LHR & LCY, QR to DOH, CX to HKG, AY more than daily to HEL on top of the IB service. When (if) EI finally rejoin oneworld, that'll be an enormous increase. 7 airlines to more than 100 airports (albeit some seasonally). Excellent work from the DAA
OA260 wrote:Eirules wrote:I was just thinking following yesterday's CX announcement. A few years ago, oneworld flyers at DUB essentially only had BA to LHR, IB to Madrid and a token seasonal service from AA to ORD. By next summer, we'll have year round AA to PHL & 3 seasonal routes, BA to both LHR & LCY, QR to DOH, CX to HKG, AY more than daily to HEL on top of the IB service. When (if) EI finally rejoin oneworld, that'll be an enormous increase. 7 airlines to more than 100 airports (albeit some seasonally). Excellent work from the DAA
Indeed the tables will have turned in terms of Alliance superiority at DUB. Also myself and a few others who have Emerald OW status have been discussing the need to up the game in terms of lounge offerings at DUB. When you look across to LHR and see the catering that is on offer then it might be time to look at one of the OW carriers opening a lounge shared by other OW members or indeed upgrading the catering at the DAA ones. I doubt we will see changes to EI lounge or opening a second one until well after OW entry.
OA260 wrote:Eirules wrote:I was just thinking following yesterday's CX announcement. A few years ago, oneworld flyers at DUB essentially only had BA to LHR, IB to Madrid and a token seasonal service from AA to ORD. By next summer, we'll have year round AA to PHL & 3 seasonal routes, BA to both LHR & LCY, QR to DOH, CX to HKG, AY more than daily to HEL on top of the IB service. When (if) EI finally rejoin oneworld, that'll be an enormous increase. 7 airlines to more than 100 airports (albeit some seasonally). Excellent work from the DAA
Indeed the tables will have turned in terms of Alliance superiority at DUB. Also myself and a few others who have Emerald OW status have been discussing the need to up the game in terms of lounge offerings at DUB. When you look across to LHR and see the catering that is on offer then it might be time to look at one of the OW carriers opening a lounge shared by other OW members or indeed upgrading the catering at the DAA ones. I doubt we will see changes to EI lounge or opening a second one until well after OW entry.
MapleLeaf789 wrote:Hello,
I've been following this site for years but am only getting putting my enthusiasm/thoughts to writing now.
The future is very bright for Dublin. The trinity of IAG, Dublin infrastructure investment and Brexit are all a plus for Dublin (and EI).
I read recently that several major investment banks have chosen Dublin as their European headquarters in anticipation of Brexit (others are going to Frankfurt). This will be a big surge in business/premium product for Dublin.
As well, once IAG seriously invests in EI and Dublin I think we will see Dublin grow to a confident hub competitor in Europe - both for low cost and premium traffic.
I enjoy this site tremendously. Look forward to contributing further
EI121 wrote:Hi all,
Quick question: Is EI expected to open up more routes next year from DUB? It all seems very quiet this year regarding new routes compared to previous years.
Galwayman wrote:Not sure if it's possible but I wonder if Jetstar might launch European flights from Singapore to feed the Qantas hub there .... possibly Athens , Rome , Berlin etc but also maybe to/ from Dublin in the future ..
BestWestern wrote:Hopefully Cathay succeeds in Dublin. Read somewhere earlier (CAPA) that 400k Pax fly From Dublin to HKG annuallly. With 4K paddies in the city and perhaps another 1k in Shenzhen, the route will have a strong following I hope.
David_itl wrote:BestWestern wrote:Hopefully Cathay succeeds in Dublin. Read somewhere earlier (CAPA) that 400k Pax fly From Dublin to HKG annuallly. With 4K paddies in the city and perhaps another 1k in Shenzhen, the route will have a strong following I hope.
Here's some analysis provide by BlueSwanDaily (part of CAPA)
https://blueswandaily.com/cathay-pacific-to-debut-new-hong-kong-connections-to-brussels-copenhagen-and-dublin/
"Currently around 40,000 people per year travel between Hong Kong and both Brussels and Dublin with an estimated 55,000 flying between Hong Kong and Copenhagen, but these numbers will certainly grow with the opening of the new direct service."
I do hope that they've worked out the sums correctly as that's about 3300 passengers per month which is equates to be around 40% to 45% full on a 4 weekly basis?
For good measure, here's the Australian O+D market. https://blueswandaily.com/qantas-looks-at-longer-range-opportunities-for-future-fleet-expansion-and-more-non-stop-links-into-europe/?utm_content=buffer9df77&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
DUB is in 6th place with around 175,000 (?) passengers. That London equals the sum of 2nd through to 8th place is mind boggling! I just can't see any part of the Qantas group looking at anything other than London for the next decade.
David_itl wrote:The loads are strictly on what's been said and excludes anyone transferring at HKG onto other service.
To get to 40% to 45% loads its: 52 weeks x 8 trips (4 each way) a week x 280 seats on the A350 = 116,000 seats available per year. (See I've already bumped up LF from the 34% that my sums indicate!).
For comparison, MAN-HKG was cited as 100,000+ passengers a year (Virgin stated only 90,000 in the UK Houses of Parliament) and that got launched at 4 weekly - the loads were over 80% on a 77W with around 130,000 passengers a year.
They must really be hoping for a wave of connections (SYD-HKG-DUB is coming up as around 25 or 26 hours travel) to fill up the aircraft. Flying EK on a DUB-DXB-SYD routing will be around the same time but anything in Asia should be quicker on CX but we need to know rough traffic flows to China, Japan and, South Korea to Ireland
David_itl wrote:BestWestern wrote:Hopefully Cathay succeeds in Dublin. Read somewhere earlier (CAPA) that 400k Pax fly From Dublin to HKG annuallly. With 4K paddies in the city and perhaps another 1k in Shenzhen, the route will have a strong following I hope.
Here's some analysis provide by BlueSwanDaily (part of CAPA)
https://blueswandaily.com/cathay-pacific-to-debut-new-hong-kong-connections-to-brussels-copenhagen-and-dublin/
"Currently around 40,000 people per year travel between Hong Kong and both Brussels and Dublin with an estimated 55,000 flying between Hong Kong and Copenhagen, but these numbers will certainly grow with the opening of the new direct service."
I do hope that they've worked out the sums correctly as that's about 3300 passengers per month which is equates to be around 40% to 45% full on a 4 weekly basis?
For good measure, here's the Australian O+D market. https://blueswandaily.com/qantas-looks-at-longer-range-opportunities-for-future-fleet-expansion-and-more-non-stop-links-into-europe/?utm_content=buffer9df77&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
DUB is in 6th place with around 175,000 (?) passengers. That London equals the sum of 2nd through to 8th place is mind boggling! I just can't see any part of the Qantas group looking at anything other than London for the next decade.
nu wrote:Cx best news ever. I love Qatar but the flight is too short for a good night's sleep..I,prefer their business class to QR (marginally) and the new business class trials they are having is a step up again. And of course there is now an excellent premium economy option out of Dublin. It will be interesting where they pitch pricing though.
David_itl wrote:
They must really be hoping for a wave of connections (SYD-HKG-DUB is coming up as around 25 or 26 hours travel) to fill up the aircraft. Flying EK on a DUB-DXB-SYD routing will be around the same time but anything in Asia should be quicker on CX but we need to know rough traffic flows to China, Japan and, South Korea to Ireland
Ticketyboo wrote:nu wrote:Cx best news ever. I love Qatar but the flight is too short for a good night's sleep..I,prefer their business class to QR (marginally) and the new business class trials they are having is a step up again. And of course there is now an excellent premium economy option out of Dublin. It will be interesting where they pitch pricing though.
€3100 Business Class return is exceptionally good value when you consider the inferior EI product to the US, or the aged Club World BA product from LHR.
nu wrote:David_itl wrote:
They must really be hoping for a wave of connections (SYD-HKG-DUB is coming up as around 25 or 26 hours travel) to fill up the aircraft. Flying EK on a DUB-DXB-SYD routing will be around the same time but anything in Asia should be quicker on CX but we need to know rough traffic flows to China, Japan and, South Korea to Ireland
Why only those 3 countries? Taiwan? Philippines? Vietnam? Thailand? Malaysia? Singapore? Indonesia? Not to mention ANZ.
OA260 wrote:Indeed the tables will have turned in terms of Alliance superiority at DUB. Also myself and a few others who have Emerald OW status have been discussing the need to up the game in terms of lounge offerings at DUB. When you look across to LHR and see the catering that is on offer then it might be time to look at one of the OW carriers opening a lounge shared by other OW members or indeed upgrading the catering at the DAA ones. I doubt we will see changes to EI lounge or opening a second one until well after OW entry.
Eirules wrote:Yeah I completely agree. The DAA lounge isn't great at all and I like it even less after the recent work they've done. That said, the EI lounge in T2 isn't great compared to the BA lounge in LHR T5, especially the food offering. I wouldn't rule out EI putting another lounge in T1 though
David_itl wrote:nu wrote:David_itl wrote:
They must really be hoping for a wave of connections (SYD-HKG-DUB is coming up as around 25 or 26 hours travel) to fill up the aircraft. Flying EK on a DUB-DXB-SYD routing will be around the same time but anything in Asia should be quicker on CX but we need to know rough traffic flows to China, Japan and, South Korea to Ireland
Why only those 3 countries? Taiwan? Philippines? Vietnam? Thailand? Malaysia? Singapore? Indonesia? Not to mention ANZ.
Lookng at SIN = these are the great circrle distances
DUB-HKG-SIN = 7708 miles
DUB-AUH-SIN = 7354 miles
DUB-DXB-SIN = 7315 miles
DUB-CDG-SIN = 7156 miles
DUB-FRA-SIN = 7066 niles
DUB-LHR-SIN = 7045 miles
DUB-AMS-SIN = 7003 miles
DUB-MAN-SIN = 6975 miles
Up to 800 miles more distance to fly so call that roughly 2 hours extra travel - which may need to them pitching fares at a llower level to attract passengers who are time-sensitive travellers,.
JAmie2k9 wrote:TBH I think people are getting to bogged down about CX and if they can make it work. They have spent quiet some time considering DUB and personally I think they will make a success of it because it has the right backing.
JAmie2k9 wrote:TBH I think people are getting to bogged down about CX and if they can make it work. They have spent quiet some time considering DUB and personally I think they will make a success of it because it has the right backing.
factsonly wrote:It is interesting to see that a traditional EI monopoly route (was 5x daily), can be stimulated to 14x daily in a short period of time by competition from FR (4x daily) and KL (6x daily).
EI321 wrote:Does anyone know why Norwegian seems to currently be the only operator that parks its aircraft in front of the cargo terminal at DUB? They have a 737-Max sitting there most days. They also had a 737 parked over on the old runway yesterday.
nu wrote:Ticketyboo wrote:nu wrote:Cx best news ever. I love Qatar but the flight is too short for a good night's sleep..I,prefer their business class to QR (marginally) and the new business class trials they are having is a step up again. And of course there is now an excellent premium economy option out of Dublin. It will be interesting where they pitch pricing though.
€3100 Business Class return is exceptionally good value when you consider the inferior EI product to the US, or the aged Club World BA product from LHR.
With Finnair consistently in the low 2000s, QR in the mid 2000s and even BA in the late 2000s for Asian destinations they seem to be pitching it at the upper end
ClassicLover wrote:OA260 wrote:Indeed the tables will have turned in terms of Alliance superiority at DUB. Also myself and a few others who have Emerald OW status have been discussing the need to up the game in terms of lounge offerings at DUB. When you look across to LHR and see the catering that is on offer then it might be time to look at one of the OW carriers opening a lounge shared by other OW members or indeed upgrading the catering at the DAA ones. I doubt we will see changes to EI lounge or opening a second one until well after OW entry.
I completely agree, the lounge for oneworld frequent flyers in Dublin is really poor. It is a crying shame BA didn't take over the old BMI lounge, but I hazard a guess they didn't expect Dublin to be such a big route for them.
Is there any room in T1 for another lounge though? One operated by BA is sorely needed for just their own flights. You would think with AA, IB, QR and CX that there would be a case for it financially.Eirules wrote:Yeah I completely agree. The DAA lounge isn't great at all and I like it even less after the recent work they've done. That said, the EI lounge in T2 isn't great compared to the BA lounge in LHR T5, especially the food offering. I wouldn't rule out EI putting another lounge in T1 though
The mind boggles that the DAA lounge in T1 was renovated and is actually worse than before. It is a disgrace. A friend of mine flew Business Class for the first time ever on BA routing DUB-LHR-HEL and even he said the lounge in Dublin was crap. He really liked the BA Galleries at LHR which is far superior. I hate the DAA lounge. The EI lounge is also pretty poor - it's too small and the food offering is a bit of a joke.
I'm delighted that CX are flying to Dublin. It means I can fly DUB-HKG-SYD on Cathay which is a lovely alternative to DUB-DOH-SYD - both airlines are excellent for going to Asia Pacific. I think I'd prefer HKG though as the city is a great destination to visit in its own right. Hopefully the route is a huge success! With the oneworld frequent flyers in Ireland, it has everything going for it.
Ticketyboo wrote:You are soooo right re: Dublin Lounge, I asked them if they'd paid for the refurb or was a prize in a primary schools competition (no offence to little ones) and when I visited last week I asked "is this actually the finished state?" the flooring alone, uncomfortable seats etc, just makes it a complete joke. Travelling long haul in a few weeks and EK use the DAA Lounge which is just embarrassing, so I'm taking a punt on Platinum Services to see how that pans out.
Skyblue39 wrote:Cobalt confirmed year round on Dublin-Larnaca.
Saw this on their Facebook page today.
To all our friends waiting for our Dublin flights - we have some great news.
We've managed to get better times on these flights for you - we're going to be flying all winter from Larnaca to Dublin on Wednesdays and Saturdays, at 0835, arriving in Dublin at 1205. Then we're leaving Dublin at 1255, arriving in Larnaca at 2010.
These seats are going to be on sale from tomorrow, with fares starting at €88 one way. We're sure they are going to sell fast, so the earlier you book, the better your price!
NichCage wrote:Nice to hear about CX flying to DUB. The longest runway at DUB is under 9,000 feet, so would there be any weight limits?
Otherwise, DUB seems to look like a mess. T2 cannot handle all EI flights, and not all jet bridges can be used at one time. T1 also seems to be pretty busy. Add Ryanair to the mix and the airport is even messier.
Will there ever be a Terminal 1 or a Terminal 2 expansion in the future?
ClassicLover wrote:
I had to look up who Cobalt are, you know. Interesting to see they are one of the new airlines of Cyprus. They must be doing okay out of Dublin if they are continuing year round. Anyone flown with them yet?