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AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:27 pm

Looking at the AA schedule starting Oct 29th, the DFW-GRU flight will be going from 789 to a 77W. Not sure if this has been discussed before, more signs of the Brazilian economy recovering?
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:37 pm

LAX-GRU remains 787.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:54 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LAX-GRU remains 787.


I currently see a 772 on GRULAX.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:04 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LAX-GRU remains 787.

Not anymore. It's 772 for a while.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:06 pm

OP mentions Oct 29th, start of the northern winter schedule.
LAX-GRU remains a 787 during such period. So no GRU is not going all 777.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:17 pm

This is correct. The 77W used on LAX-SYD is being swapped out with the 789 on DFW-GRU.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:25 pm

Upgrading for the season it sounds like. Realistically though, is AA making any money on the LAX-GRU segment?
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:55 pm

727200 wrote:
Upgrading for the season it sounds like. Realistically though, is AA making any money on the LAX-GRU segment?

the flight does extremely well. competition free and a strong codeshare with LATAM. the upgauges are a strong sign
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:13 pm

Perhaps you guys would like to doublecheck things first before making statements:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa215
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa216

I wonder why AA didn't ask for your permission to change the equipment before...
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:22 pm

I think there is confusion on what time period is being considered. The OP is discussing Oct 29 and on. Many others are discussing current flights.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:27 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Perhaps you guys would like to doublecheck things first before making statements:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa215
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa216

I wonder why AA didn't ask for your permission to change the equipment before...


Perhaps you should run a search for the time period that's being discussed and see what kind of equipment shows up on LAX-GRU.

AA transitions to the 789 on LAX-GRU on October 29th, the same day that DFW-GRU transitions to the 77W.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:33 pm

The LAX-GRU route seems to be the most heavily scrutinized route.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:36 pm

GDS indeed shows 787 LAXGRU so it appears GRU shall will NOT be all 777 by AA as OPer claims.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:21 am

It sounds like GRU already stopped seeing the 763. At this point, with the fleet drastically shrinking (now 30 compared to 58 that it was years ago), it is safe to say that the 763 won't come back on any routes to GRU.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:26 am

Any word of GRU-CLT, ORD, or PHL?
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:42 am

Taco2sDay wrote:
Any word of GRU-CLT, ORD, or PHL?

I wish but i doubt any of the three. And I really want CLT :)
Charlotte is unnecessary when the huge hub at MIA is just a few hundred miles south, and serves most of the same traffic flows, an de AFAIK, all the ones that matter to Brazil. Philadelphia would end up serving mostly Europe cnnx, which not only isn't exactly lucrative, but is also served direct from São Paulo, but also from the closer MIA. Chicago is The one I see as most likely, based on the business and o/d potential, perhaps 5/wk with 788.
If CLT or PHL get South America flights, I'd guess Lima first, even if Perú isn't the top South American market. 757 range, dozens of connecting markets available across the continent on LATAM. Bogotá maybe, although there are less available onward connections, but a decent Colombian network.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:26 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Taco2sDay wrote:
Any word of GRU-CLT, ORD, or PHL?

I wish but i doubt any of the three. And I really want CLT :)
Charlotte is unnecessary when the huge hub at MIA is just a few hundred miles south, and serves most of the same traffic flows, an de AFAIK, all the ones that matter to Brazil. Philadelphia would end up serving mostly Europe cnnx, which not only isn't exactly lucrative, but is also served direct from São Paulo, but also from the closer MIA. Chicago is The one I see as most likely, based on the business and o/d potential, perhaps 5/wk with 788.
If CLT or PHL get South America flights, I'd guess Lima first, even if Perú isn't the top South American market. 757 range, dozens of connecting markets available across the continent on LATAM. Bogotá maybe, although there are less available onward connections, but a decent Colombian network.


Sorry but wasn't there a PHL-GRU service somewhere in the past? Don't remember which airline either...
CLT however was serviced by US Airways up to few years ago right?
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:31 pm

I'm going to GRU from November 2-24, DEN-DFW-GRU on AA. I arrive in GRU on the 3rd and leave GRU on the 23 and arrive back in the US on the 24.

When I booked it, the DFW-GRU was on a 787, but AA changed my flight some time ago and both the DFW-GRU and GRU-DFW legs are now on 77Ws. I wondered why, now I know.

SmithAir747
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:52 pm

SmithAir747 wrote:
I'm going to GRU from November 2-24, DEN-DFW-GRU on AA. I arrive in GRU on the 3rd and leave GRU on the 23 and arrive back in the US on the 24.

When I booked it, the DFW-GRU was on a 787, but AA changed my flight some time ago and both the DFW-GRU and GRU-DFW legs are now on 77Ws. I wondered why, now I know.

SmithAir747


And I'm assuming you're very happy with this change, right?
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:53 pm

ojjunior wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
Taco2sDay wrote:
Any word of GRU-CLT, ORD, or PHL?

I wish but i doubt any of the three. And I really want CLT :)
Charlotte is unnecessary when the huge hub at MIA is just a few hundred miles south, and serves most of the same traffic flows, an de AFAIK, all the ones that matter to Brazil. Philadelphia would end up serving mostly Europe cnnx, which not only isn't exactly lucrative, but is also served direct from São Paulo, but also from the closer MIA. Chicago is The one I see as most likely, based on the business and o/d potential, perhaps 5/wk with 788.
If CLT or PHL get South America flights, I'd guess Lima first, even if Perú isn't the top South American market. 757 range, dozens of connecting markets available across the continent on LATAM. Bogotá maybe, although there are less available onward connections, but a decent Colombian network.


Sorry but wasn't there a PHL-GRU service somewhere in the past? Don't remember which airline either...
CLT however was serviced by US Airways up to few years ago right?

As far as I can tell, PHL-GRU has never been served nonstop. CLT was, but ended up on the chopping block quickly after the merger with the 762s leaving and several a day available from nearby MIA.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:02 pm

PHL and CLT flights to Tokyo are more important then another flights to Brazil, AA seems to own GRU. Asia is means more to AA now then Brazil.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:03 pm

Nice to see demand for GRU going back up.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:18 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
I wish but i doubt any of the three. And I really want CLT :)
Charlotte is unnecessary when the huge hub at MIA is just a few hundred miles south, and serves most of the same traffic flows, an de AFAIK, all the ones that matter to Brazil. Philadelphia would end up serving mostly Europe cnnx, which not only isn't exactly lucrative, but is also served direct from São Paulo, but also from the closer MIA. Chicago is The one I see as most likely, based on the business and o/d potential, perhaps 5/wk with 788.
If CLT or PHL get South America flights, I'd guess Lima first, even if Perú isn't the top South American market. 757 range, dozens of connecting markets available across the continent on LATAM. Bogotá maybe, although there are less available onward connections, but a decent Colombian network.


Sorry but wasn't there a PHL-GRU service somewhere in the past? Don't remember which airline either...
CLT however was serviced by US Airways up to few years ago right?

As far as I can tell, PHL-GRU has never been served nonstop. CLT was, but ended up on the chopping block quickly after the merger with the 762s leaving and several a day available from nearby MIA.


CLT-GRU operated from 6/2013 through the end of 9/2014, initially on the 762 and was upgauged to the 332 for the last 5 months of service.

Their other Brazil service, CLT-GIG, operated a a bit longer from 12/2010 to 1/2015, again initially with the 762 and after a couple of years started being upgauged to the 332 during the southern summer.
 
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Re: AA going all 777 at GRU

Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:20 pm

jfk777 wrote:
PHL and CLT flights to Tokyo are more important then another flights to Brazil, AA seems to own GRU. Asia is means more to AA now then Brazil.


Your assumption.

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