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Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:24 am

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 5s-440874/

US regional carrier SkyWest Airlines has ordered 25 Embraer 175s, of which 15 will initially be configured with 70 seats.



Not sure who they plan to operate for?
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:27 am

Very bad sign for QX
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:31 am

Sounds like they are slated for Delta Connection or United Express. By limiting some of the frames to 70 seats they don't count against the 76 seater scope clause. Probably why they are given a new designation as 175SC, can say it's a new variant.
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:14 pm

The E175-E1 still has a long life ahead of it:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 5s-440874/
Embraer itself stated that there would be no problem in keeping the two lines (E1 and E2) in parallel:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... es-412834/
For anyone who does not know, the constructive method of E1 differs totally from the constructive E2.
As an example, the jig for the wing construction of the current Ejets line is different for each model of the E170, E175, E190 and E195 series.
For the E2 family, the jig is the same for the three models, adjusted only for the wing of each model, which differ in size from each other.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:26 pm

Sources at SkyWest say the 15 70-seaters to be operated for DL, and the other 10 for AS.
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:37 pm

Interesting that they didn't just order 15 E170s instead. When was the last time an E170 was built?
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:45 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Interesting that they didn't just order 15 E170s instead. When was the last time an E170 was built?

Probably hoping that if by some modern miracle DL pilots relax scope, they can easily be converted to 76 seats where as a 170 cannot.
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:22 pm

About two years ago when J-Air (subsidiary of Japan Airlines) took some. I believe that order is finished and the E190s are still rolling in.
E170/175s been pretty much to the US regionals the last few years, with the exception of handful to KLM Cityhopper & FujiDream
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:23 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Interesting that they didn't just order 15 E170s instead. When was the last time an E170 was built?


Unlike the E175 the E170 didn't receive a performance improvement package. In addition, the resale value of the E175 is much more attractive.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:27 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Interesting that they didn't just order 15 E170s instead. When was the last time an E170 was built?

Probably hoping that if by some modern miracle DL pilots relax scope, they can easily be converted to 76 seats where as a 170 cannot.

I think this^^^is the reason why 170's were not ordered...either way it's a win for passengers on the 175SC's... that should give us more legroom...now if only an airline would have a similar idea with a CRJ 700 to 50 seater with 1st class cabin conversion... from a purely selfish stand point the CRJ 200 could be phased out and my ankles wouldn't freeze in summer while the rest of me sweats profusely... one can dream right.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:36 pm

Nean1 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Interesting that they didn't just order 15 E170s instead. When was the last time an E170 was built?


Unlike the E175 the E170 didn't receive a performance improvement package. In addition, the resale value of the E175 is much more attractive.

Flybe also has a couple still on order. 4 to be delivered in 2019 i believe.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:59 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
Sources at SkyWest say the 15 70-seaters to be operated for DL, and the other 10 for AS.

Will leave room for 15 more 70 seat or less jets.


Also, IIRC DL still has a few more frames before they reach the cap of 76 seat jets.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:05 pm

I know it's far ahead but DFW-DTW is an E7W next summer, so this order seems why they're expanding eastward with the E7W's.
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:45 pm

How are the 6 seats being removed? Wikipedia suggests they all will be removed from Y+, but no source listed with it so not sure I believe. Would they take out 6 seats and just leave a curtained off empty area in the back without changing pitch in Y? Or would they actually spread out the seats? If they spread out, wouldn't pitch be close to F? Perhaps they will increase pitch in F, say from 37" to 50", and Y will remain 31" pitch
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:05 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
How are the 6 seats being removed? Wikipedia suggests they all will be removed from Y+, but no source listed with it so not sure I believe. Would they take out 6 seats and just leave a curtained off empty area in the back without changing pitch in Y? Or would they actually spread out the seats? If they spread out, wouldn't pitch be close to F? Perhaps they will increase pitch in F, say from 37" to 50", and Y will remain 31" pitch


The tetris has been played and it doesn't result in a big empty space. The customers will not be upset when flying that plane.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:32 pm

Somehow I suspect that carriers will opt for a couple of big closets (one immediately 'dedicated' for crew use) and not generous pitch in F, Y+, or Y -- they won't want to make their mainline products look bad, and it's an easy reconfig if scope changes to allow more 76-seat aircraft.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:33 pm

toneal wrote:
capitalflyer wrote:
How are the 6 seats being removed? Wikipedia suggests they all will be removed from Y+, but no source listed with it so not sure I believe. Would they take out 6 seats and just leave a curtained off empty area in the back without changing pitch in Y? Or would they actually spread out the seats? If they spread out, wouldn't pitch be close to F? Perhaps they will increase pitch in F, say from 37" to 50", and Y will remain 31" pitch


The tetris has been played and it doesn't result in a big empty space. The customers will not be upset when flying that plane.



What kind of layout/pitch we talking about?

My guess is they would match the UX CR7 layout so if they have to they can swap out equipment easy. So perhaps 6F/16Y+/48Y? This would also then make for an easy conversion to 76 seater for Delta if the time comes by just adding 6 F seats, which also then would match their UX layout for interoperability.

Pitch (total guess)
F - 40
Y+ - 37
Y - 34
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:47 pm

When the CRJ900's first showed up at SkyWest they were 70 seat all coach planes. No special closets were installed. They were great to fly on. I believe first class was added first some time later, followed by the bump to 76 seats. I would think this wouldn't be any different, however I have no direct knowledge. Should be a nice plane to fly on.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:54 pm

No real surprise here. Kill off your unionized carrier and replace it with flying at the non-union shop.
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:06 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
toneal wrote:
capitalflyer wrote:
How are the 6 seats being removed? Wikipedia suggests they all will be removed from Y+, but no source listed with it so not sure I believe. Would they take out 6 seats and just leave a curtained off empty area in the back without changing pitch in Y? Or would they actually spread out the seats? If they spread out, wouldn't pitch be close to F? Perhaps they will increase pitch in F, say from 37" to 50", and Y will remain 31" pitch


The tetris has been played and it doesn't result in a big empty space. The customers will not be upset when flying that plane.



What kind of layout/pitch we talking about?

My guess is they would match the UX CR7 layout so if they have to they can swap out equipment easy. So perhaps 6F/16Y+/48Y? This would also then make for an easy conversion to 76 seater for Delta if the time comes by just adding 6 F seats, which also then would match their UX layout for interoperability.

Pitch (total guess)
F - 40
Y+ - 37
Y - 34


It will be detailed when Delta comes out with their release on this activity.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:52 pm

"It states that all of the jets are due to be delivered in 2018"

That was fast. I think United may have ordered them to replace some CRJ200's plus recently fuel prices have gone up a little.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:06 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
Sources at SkyWest say the 15 70-seaters to be operated for DL, and the other 10 for AS.

I'm not arguing but AS / QX just ordered a bunch of E175's. They can turn some into 70 seat jets. Why would they order even more aircraft. They ordered 30 plus 30 option (something like that)
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:09 pm

The E175-E2 seems like it will be a great aircraft! The passenger comfort of the E170, combined with more efficient engines. Congrats to Embraer and Skywest!
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:14 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
No real surprise here. Kill off your unionized carrier and replace it with flying at the non-union shop.

What non-union shop is replacing a union shop?
OO is union, QX is union....
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:24 pm

Sancho99504 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
No real surprise here. Kill off your unionized carrier and replace it with flying at the non-union shop.

What non-union shop is replacing a union shop?
OO is union, QX is union....


OO is certainly not union. ASA, which is what the 175s at Delta is replacing, was union.
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:24 pm

LockheedBBD wrote:
The E175-E2 seems like it will be a great aircraft! The passenger comfort of the E170, combined with more efficient engines. Congrats to Embraer and Skywest!


This order isn't for E2s. E2s will never be flown for AA/UA/DL without being flown by mainline.
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:50 pm

What does the SC literally stand for (besides meaning the seat count is 70)?
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:56 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
LockheedBBD wrote:
The E175-E2 seems like it will be a great aircraft! The passenger comfort of the E170, combined with more efficient engines. Congrats to Embraer and Skywest!


This order isn't for E2s. E2s will never be flown for AA/UA/DL without being flown by mainline.


My mistake, I thought they ordered the E2 model (I was surprised myself). It makes a lot more sense to me now.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:08 pm

bw50505 wrote:
What does the SC literally stand for (besides meaning the seat count is 70)?


I believe "Special Configuration"
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:16 pm

Sancho99504 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
No real surprise here. Kill off your unionized carrier and replace it with flying at the non-union shop.

What non-union shop is replacing a union shop?
OO is union, QX is union....


Skywest does NOT have a union.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:36 pm

The 175E2 falls outside of scope limitations for the pilot contracts at U.S. carriers so no regional airline will buy them.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:22 pm

Just a slight correction, while they technically haven't bought any E2's yet, they do have them on order. Now whether they actually get any is anyone's guess, leaning towards no right now.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:30 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Somehow I suspect that carriers will opt for a couple of big closets (one immediately 'dedicated' for crew use) and not generous pitch in F, Y+, or Y -- they won't want to make their mainline products look bad, and it's an easy reconfig if scope changes to allow more 76-seat aircraft.


Could be, that's how the CRJ-440 (a 44 seat CRJ, configured that way due to scope) was set up due to NWA pilot scope.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:37 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Interesting that they didn't just order 15 E170s instead. When was the last time an E170 was built?


Probably the same price and these have the ability to be 76 seaters later... Smart thinking... the 170 has different engines, so parts are common. This will pave the way for Aspen operations.. just watch a few more for UA announced soon.. (just my guess)
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:48 pm

amcnd wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Interesting that they didn't just order 15 E170s instead. When was the last time an E170 was built?


Probably the same price and these have the ability to be 76 seaters later... Smart thinking... the 170 has different engines, so parts are common. This will pave the way for Aspen operations.. just watch a few more for UA announced soon.. (just my guess)


Makes sense and I forgot that Skywest don't actually have any E70s in their existing fleet, which I originally thought they did.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:40 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
No real surprise here. Kill off your unionized carrier and replace it with flying at the non-union shop.

What non-union shop is replacing a union shop?
OO is union, QX is union....


Skywest does NOT have a union.

I stand corrected. I see a lot of OO pilots at SEA and PDX with ALPA lanyards and stickers on their bags.... Thanks for pointing that out :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:44 am

DiamondFlyer wrote:
LockheedBBD wrote:
The E175-E2 seems like it will be a great aircraft! The passenger comfort of the E170, combined with more efficient engines. Congrats to Embraer and Skywest!


This order isn't for E2s. E2s will never be flown for AA/UA/DL without being flown by mainline.

We placing bets on this? ALPA national will make it happen. "RJs are good for mainline pilots" is far from dead.

Sancho99504 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:
What non-union shop is replacing a union shop?
OO is union, QX is union....


Skywest does NOT have a union.

I stand corrected. I see a lot of OO pilots at SEA and PDX with ALPA lanyards and stickers on their bags.... Thanks for pointing that out :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

OO pilots are like the DL FA's. No union but enough support to have card drives every now and then and a fair, but not majority, amount of support.
 
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Re: Skywest orders 25 E175

Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:56 am

Reminds me of how AC ordered their first batch of CRJ900s as "CRJ705s" with a restriction of 75 seats. They're being retrofitted with 76 seats now, so they're being re-designated back to CRJ900.

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