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DL Sends 744 To Orlando To Pick Up Evacuees

Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:54 pm

For $400 per ticket that is. At least they and other airlines are now capping ticket prices:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/delt ... 57554.html

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"On Friday afternoon, one of the airline's seven remaining 747s will fly down to Orlando from Detroit. With room for 376 passengers, the jumbo jet is an efficient way to get more people out of harm's way without further contributing to the already congested airports in Florida... while the flight is not free, Delta has capped its tickets out of Florida at $399."
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:41 pm

Wow, that's expensive. jetBlue capped prices at $99, and I scored my flight out yesterday for $51 on Spirit after buying the ticket the day before. But there's no doubt they'll fill that plane up, especially when considering the massive traffic to get out of FL.
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:17 pm

I'm surprised that they aren't flying pax into ATL instead of DTW. It would have been less expensive and a lot more connection options. They could have made a couple runs.
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:20 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
I'm surprised that they aren't flying pax into ATL instead of DTW. It would have been less expensive and a lot more connection options. They could have made a couple runs.

The 747 lives in detroit tho. And Atlanta may be having its own problems after it hits.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:22 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
I'm surprised that they aren't flying pax into ATL instead of DTW. It would have been less expensive and a lot more connection options. They could have made a couple runs.


They probably wouldn't have a crew in ATL. DTW has 747 pilots and ATL does not. DTW-MCO-DTW can be done on a turn. The plane was also already in DTW most likely since that's where most of DL's 747 flights fly out of.

Yesterday DL swapped some A321 flights for 777s on MCO-ATL. They also swapped on a 767. I am impressed with how much capacity DL has added to Florida in the last day and a half.
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:22 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
I'm surprised that they aren't flying pax into ATL instead of DTW. It would have been less expensive and a lot more connection options. They could have made a couple runs.


As mentioned, this has to do with the aircraft available. 747-400 is not only available and ready to go, but is also the largest aircraft they have. It just happens to be based in Detroit.

And sure, Atlanta has tons of connections, but Detroit is pretty darn good too. I'd be curious how many people will just end up in Detroit and stay because they really don't have anywhere else to go (versus someone that may connect to, say, Chicago to stay with family/friends).
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:28 pm

sw733 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
I'm surprised that they aren't flying pax into ATL instead of DTW. It would have been less expensive and a lot more connection options. They could have made a couple runs.


As mentioned, this has to do with the aircraft available. 747-400 is not only available and ready to go, but is also the largest aircraft they have. It just happens to be based in Detroit.

And sure, Atlanta has tons of connections, but Detroit is pretty darn good too. I'd be curious how many people will just end up in Detroit and stay because they really don't have anywhere else to go (versus someone that may connect to, say, Chicago to stay with family/friends).


DL has added a ton of capacity from Florida to ATL, but it is creating an issue in ATL. Hotels in Atlanta are filling up, so DTW could certainly be a good option.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:04 pm

jeffh747 wrote:
Wow, that's expensive. jetBlue capped prices at $99, and I scored my flight out yesterday for $51 on Spirit after buying the ticket the day before. But there's no doubt they'll fill that plane up, especially when considering the massive traffic to get out of FL.


Expensive? That is cheaper than a typical walkup fare. People will no doubt be willing to pay.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:13 pm

Why would Delta fly those people to ATL where the storm is going to hit in 2 days. The Delta system is so capacity restricted that it could never move that many passengers through ATL and out of harms way. On a good day if you have a missed connection you could spend hours stuck in ATL so DTW is a way better option out of harms way and they really don't have to really concern themselves about onward connections.
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:30 pm

Delta also needs to get as many of its commuting pilots and FAs as possible out of Florida in order to support the operation...
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:49 pm

Lets just say my ride to DTW was swapped from a Focus to a Lambo, power wise...
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:50 pm

Flight was oversold, most families have people or second homes in the Detroit area they're staying with.
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:58 pm

jeffh747 wrote:
Wow, that's expensive. jetBlue capped prices at $99, and I scored my flight out yesterday for $51 on Spirit after buying the ticket the day before. But there's no doubt they'll fill that plane up, especially when considering the massive traffic to get out of FL.


The 747 is a heck of a lot more expensive to operate than a B6 A320. And I am sure DL still took a loss on the flight.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:07 pm

Three days ago when I looked those lovely kind captialists were charging $1100 to NYC...
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:08 pm

jumbojet wrote:
jeffh747 wrote:
Wow, that's expensive. jetBlue capped prices at $99, and I scored my flight out yesterday for $51 on Spirit after buying the ticket the day before. But there's no doubt they'll fill that plane up, especially when considering the massive traffic to get out of FL.


The 747 is a heck of a lot more expensive to operate than a B6 A320. And I am sure DL still took a loss on the flight.


They probably ferried down empty, so yes losing money. B6 is probably losing money as well. Sometimes corporate responsibility is more important.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:50 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
jeffh747 wrote:
Wow, that's expensive. jetBlue capped prices at $99, and I scored my flight out yesterday for $51 on Spirit after buying the ticket the day before. But there's no doubt they'll fill that plane up, especially when considering the massive traffic to get out of FL.


The 747 is a heck of a lot more expensive to operate than a B6 A320. And I am sure DL still took a loss on the flight.


They probably ferried down empty, so yes losing money. B6 is probably losing money as well. Sometimes corporate responsibility is more important.


agree 100%. This is not the time to think about wall street and profits. The fare DL, and B6 are charging probably just covers the gas.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:00 pm

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Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:00 pm

$150K of revenue more than covers the gas.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:00 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
sw733 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
I'm surprised that they aren't flying pax into ATL instead of DTW. It would have been less expensive and a lot more connection options. They could have made a couple runs.


As mentioned, this has to do with the aircraft available. 747-400 is not only available and ready to go, but is also the largest aircraft they have. It just happens to be based in Detroit.

And sure, Atlanta has tons of connections, but Detroit is pretty darn good too. I'd be curious how many people will just end up in Detroit and stay because they really don't have anywhere else to go (versus someone that may connect to, say, Chicago to stay with family/friends).


DL has added a ton of capacity from Florida to ATL, but it is creating an issue in ATL. Hotels in Atlanta are filling up, so DTW could certainly be a good option.


They could use Memphis as a relief destination. It's not like they don't use Memphis quite a bit when Atlanta has major issues.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:35 pm

flymco753 wrote:
Flight was oversold, most families have people or second homes in the Detroit area they're staying with.


Out of all those people evacuating "most" of them having 2nd homes or family in Detroit area is one of the worse generalizations I have heard in years. Sorry but former Detroit residents don't make up most of south Florida's residents. They come from Detroit & 48 other states as well as other countries.
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:44 pm

rbavfan wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Flight was oversold, most families have people or second homes in the Detroit area they're staying with.


Out of all those people evacuating "most" of them having 2nd homes or family in Detroit area is one of the worse generalizations I have heard in years. Sorry but former Detroit residents don't make up most of south Florida's residents. They come from Detroit & 48 other states as well as other countries.
Funny because I was referring to the MCO 744 going DTW, maybe if were actually there to hear the folks in the boarding area talk about staying at "grandmas house" or brother/sister/cousins homes than you'd surely understand how many are actually tied to the region, or how about you take a trip down to the baggage claim area at DTW and check it out for yourself?
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:57 pm

DL1424 tomorrow upgauged to a 744 ship 6306.
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:20 am

If the ME3 want to help out... fly in some A380's to help with evacuation efforts.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:27 am

TVNWZ wrote:
$150K of revenue more than covers the gas.


Except a 747-400 cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $187,000 an hour to operate. So I'm almost certain it was just operating cost they were charging. Especially when it most likely dead-headed down.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:43 am

GatorClark wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
$150K of revenue more than covers the gas.


Except a 747-400 cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $187,000 an hour to operate. So I'm almost certain it was just operating cost they were charging. Especially when it most likely dead-headed down.



Kind sir or madame, I find those numbers dubious at best, and respectfully ask you tender a source for that number, even if to quell a curious mind as myself.

How much does it cost to operate a 744 (PW), per hour?
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:47 am

MaksFly wrote:
If the ME3 want to help out... fly in some A380's to help with evacuation efforts.


Maybe Trump could issue an emergency order waiving cabotage restrictions. Otherwise those ME3 aircraft would need to go international...
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:49 am

DL has added yet another 747 to MCO tommorow as DL1331 has been upgraded to a 747.
 
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GatorClark wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
$150K of revenue more than covers the gas.


Except a 747-400 cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $187,000 an hour to operate. So I'm almost certain it was just operating cost they were charging. Especially when it most likely dead-headed down.


You are off by a factor of 5.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:57 am

MaksFly wrote:
If the ME3 want to help out... fly in some A380's to help with evacuation efforts.


Why would they?

If anything this is a poster child for the rules against foreign ownership. National emergency.
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:02 am

Why is the 744 doing an DTW-ATL-DTW turn after the Orlando flights on both days?
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:17 am

Oilman wrote:
Why is the 744 doing an DTW-ATL-DTW turn after the Orlando flights on both days?



They are both big hubs so perhaps moving pax around for connections.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:28 am

2x 744 DTW-MCO-DTW tomorrow, here's the outbound DTW flight numbers:

1424 & 1331
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:31 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
MaksFly wrote:
If the ME3 want to help out... fly in some A380's to help with evacuation efforts.


Maybe Trump could issue an emergency order waiving cabotage restrictions. Otherwise those ME3 aircraft would need to go international...


What a horrible idea. We have more than enough lift within this country. There is absolutely no need to waive cabotage. Ever.

The last thing we need to do is set a precedent that under an emergency, the national airspace system is a free for all. People don't have time to do their research and plan, they just need a ride out. And that ride absolutely should not allowed to be any airline, flying any plane, going anywhere. It needs to be something guaranteed to be safe under our FAA. If not, we'd have people trying to get to NYC on some Hajj plane maintained with parts from the local auto shop and flown by pilots who got their licenses in a cereal box.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:42 am

jeffh747 wrote:
Wow, that's expensive.


Wow, that is a really uninformed comment. Let's look at some basic math..........

With 376 seats on a 744, assuming all are filled with a paying passenger and assuming that everyone is paying that same maximum fare of $399 USD, that comes out to just over $150,000 USD. What exactly do you imagine it is costing DL in fuel, crew expenses, insurance, airport fees, etc. to operate this flight and others like it? Far from the windfall you are trying to make it out to be.

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Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:50 am

jumbojet wrote:
jeffh747 wrote:
Wow, that's expensive. jetBlue capped prices at $99, and I scored my flight out yesterday for $51 on Spirit after buying the ticket the day before. But there's no doubt they'll fill that plane up, especially when considering the massive traffic to get out of FL.


The 747 is a heck of a lot more expensive to operate than a B6 A320. And I am sure DL still took a loss on the flight.


Actually it's a whole lot cheaper to operate on a per seat basis which is how the industry measures things. A $400 one way fare from Florida is very profitable.
 
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GatorClark wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
$150K of revenue more than covers the gas.


Except a 747-400 cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $187,000 an hour to operate. So I'm almost certain it was just operating cost they were charging. Especially when it most likely dead-headed down.

Yeah no. Those are AF1 hourly numbers, not your regular pax 747. They do things a little bit different when you're carrying POTUS.
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:25 am

mikejepp wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
MaksFly wrote:
If the ME3 want to help out... fly in some A380's to help with evacuation efforts.


Maybe Trump could issue an emergency order waiving cabotage restrictions. Otherwise those ME3 aircraft would need to go international...


What a horrible idea. We have more than enough lift within this country. There is absolutely no need to waive cabotage. Ever.

The last thing we need to do is set a precedent that under an emergency, the national airspace system is a free for all. People don't have time to do their research and plan, they just need a ride out. And that ride absolutely should not allowed to be any airline, flying any plane, going anywhere. It needs to be something guaranteed to be safe under our FAA. If not, we'd have people trying to get to NYC on some Hajj plane maintained with parts from the local auto shop and flown by pilots who got their licenses in a cereal box.


I get your point to some extent, but there are a lot of very reputable recognised carriers flying into the States. If BA had a jumbo on the deck at LAS and offered a relief fare to help out while the aircraft would otherwise be sat around on a layover?would that be such an issue?
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What if relief aid cargo could be put in the belly as well for the inbound flight?

In times of crisis the livery/nationality of the plane will be the last thing on peoples minds?

I understand that the US will have plenty of lift, but could it really turn down genuine assistance? Of course wether foreign airlines would help out is another question.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:29 am

From personal observation, a 747 burns 20,000 to 24,000 lbs of fuel an hour in cruise at $3/gal = $12,000/hr

Captain cost $450/hr (330 pay, 120 in employment costs like 401k, Health insurance etc.)
First Officer $330/hr (226 Pay, 104 in employment costs)
10(?) flight attendants $90/hr (60 in pay, $30) in employment costs



so a rough estimate of a 747 operating cost is $13,400/hr of course one has to add Maintenance, insurance, ground handling personal/equipment, airport fees, and air traffic fees.
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Yeah no. Those are AF1 hourly numbers, not your regular pax 747. They do things a little bit different when you're carrying POTUS.


So how much does it cost to operate a DL 744 per hour?
 
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JAAlbert wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:

Yeah no. Those are AF1 hourly numbers, not your regular pax 747. They do things a little bit different when you're carrying POTUS.


So how much does it cost to operate a DL 744 per hour?
$100,000?

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Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:33 am

Whether DL charges$399 or $199 or $599, here the thing. They didn't have to send down all these 747's to MCO. They could've simply flown the original aircraft down and called it a day. The fact that they subbed in 747's says a lot about the airline and how they actually care about people. Delta also did it because they could which is one of the beautiful things about the legacy carriers. Not knocking the LCC's but take for example B6, the best they could do is sub a 321 for a 320. Helps just a little but your still clogging the skies with planes which can and did cause controlled chaos for ATC.

Separate question. Where in the heck are all these people parking there cars at these florida airports? Long term and short term lots have to be over capacity..

Oh BTW, those DL 747's leaving MCO tomorrow are sold out.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:36 am

Beyond sold out, oversold.
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:37 am

last comment of the nigh for met. I'm guessing that one of the last DL flights out of MCO tomorrow will carry mostly DL employees for staying behind to help all these passengers get on these planes?
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:46 am

Plenty of empty houses in Detroit... I wonder if maybe they could recondition a few areas of the city as temporary accomodation for these types of events.
 
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JAAlbert wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:

Yeah no. Those are AF1 hourly numbers, not your regular pax 747. They do things a little bit different when you're carrying POTUS.


So how much does it cost to operate a DL 744 per hour?


In the range of 25K-40K.
 
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I'm surprised that they aren't flying pax into ATL instead of DTW. It would have been less expensive and a lot more connection options. They could have made a couple runs.

The 747 lives in detroit tho. And Atlanta may be having its own problems after it hits.


Detroit makes perfect sense. It a region completely unaffected by the current natural disasters. Where the emergency pricing paradigm isn't affecting the costs of hotels and rental cars. People who arrive there can easily find a low cost hotel without being gouged, and if they do need to go elsewhere, lots of rental cars. Besides Detroit is very well located for people who need to drive to Chicago/Columbus, Indy, Buffalo, Canada.

Im sure if the pilot base was here at MSP, they would be doing the same thing.

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Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:55 pm

honestly .... this is a money grab for the airlines and Delta. Amazing they are sending a 747 and getting the publicity for it. But Delta knows they are selling tickets for people wanting to get out of florida. They will make a killing off this.
 
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EarlyLateORD wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
I'm surprised that they aren't flying pax into ATL instead of DTW. It would have been less expensive and a lot more connection options. They could have made a couple runs.

The 747 lives in detroit tho. And Atlanta may be having its own problems after it hits.


Detroit makes perfect sense. It a region completely unaffected by the current natural disasters. Where the emergency pricing paradigm isn't affecting the costs of hotels and rental cars. People who arrive there can easily find a low cost hotel without being gouged, and if they do need to go elsewhere, lots of rental cars. Besides Detroit is very well located for people who need to drive to Chicago/Columbus, Indy, Buffalo, Canada.

Im sure if the pilot base was here at MSP, they would be doing the same thing.

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A lot of folks at the boarding area were talking about visiting their families and friends in the Metro Detroit area as am I, but the bag claim was loaded with people, a lot of folks used 2 checked bags on top of carry on and personal items. Never seen that many people around a domestic claim belt.
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:25 pm

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
honestly .... this is a money grab for the airlines and Delta. Amazing they are sending a 747 and getting the publicity for it. But Delta knows they are selling tickets for people wanting to get out of florida. They will make a killing off this.


where do you come up with stuff like this? Money grab? Do you have the figures in front of you of total costs to operate this flight into and out of MCO? Chances are only Delta has the real #'s so in essence, there is no way for you to know whether or not this is a money grab for DL. Very good chance that this is a matter of getting as many people out of MCO as possible in the least amount of time.
 
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Re: DL Sends 744 To Orlando To Pick Up Evacuees

Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:14 pm

jumbojet wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
jumbojet wrote:

The 747 is a heck of a lot more expensive to operate than a B6 A320. And I am sure DL still took a loss on the flight.


They probably ferried down empty, so yes losing money. B6 is probably losing money as well. Sometimes corporate responsibility is more important.


agree 100%. This is not the time to think about wall street and profits. The fare DL, and B6 are charging probably just covers the gas.


And since the planes will be retired and parted out in a few weeks, the capital costs of the flights are practically zero.

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