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Ammad wrote:PIA is operating 4X weekly to YYZ and just twice weekly to JFK. JFK is loss making route for PIA. For N.A. Best thing PIA could do is to extensive code share with TK and start daily flight one each from KHI, ISB, and LHE to IST with onward connection via TK metal.
LH658 wrote:Ammad wrote:PIA is operating 4X weekly to YYZ and just twice weekly to JFK. JFK is loss making route for PIA. For N.A. Best thing PIA could do is to extensive code share with TK and start daily flight one each from KHI, ISB, and LHE to IST with onward connection via TK metal.
Actually make sense, not bad idea. I think in the past PIA, code share flights to IST on TK. I am surpise PIA doesn't fly to IST, at all with all the Turkish business in Pakistan etc. PIA does something similar with Etihad. They codeshare the flights from PK to AUH then rest of Pax will go on EY to Europe, Canada, Americas, and etc.
I wonder why the Private carriers in Pakistan, haven't done such steps such as code sharing? Or why the have issue developing?
Ammad wrote:PIA is operating 4X weekly to YYZ and just twice weekly to JFK. JFK is loss making route for PIA. For N.A. Best thing PIA could do is to extensive code share with TK and start daily flight one each from KHI, ISB, and LHE to IST with onward connection via TK metal.
TryToFlySomeday wrote:c933103 wrote:For China Southern's flight between ISB and URC, who are their main customers?
That I'm not sure. Always thought it'd make more sense for them to do ISB-CAN.
directorguy wrote:Nice to see a thread on Pakistan for a change.
Could someone enlighten me and explain the difference between Islamabad, Karachi, and Lahore? Which city has more traffic volume, or higher yields, or whether one has a particular geographical advantage over the other? Are there any other 2nd tier cities which might support international service that isn't on the ME3+? Might we see an airline like TK fly to PEW and LYP for example.
Ammad wrote:PIA is operating 4X weekly to YYZ and just twice weekly to JFK. JFK is loss making route for PIA. For N.A. Best thing PIA could do is to extensive code share with TK and start daily flight one each from KHI, ISB, and LHE to IST with onward connection via TK metal.
directorguy wrote:Nice to see a thread on Pakistan for a change.
Could someone enlighten me and explain the difference between Islamabad, Karachi, and Lahore? Which city has more traffic volume, or higher yields, or whether one has a particular geographical advantage over the other? Are there any other 2nd tier cities which might support international service that isn't on the ME3+? Might we see an airline like TK fly to PEW and LYP for example.
directorguy wrote:Nice to see a thread on Pakistan for a change.
Could someone enlighten me and explain the difference between Islamabad, Karachi, and Lahore? Which city has more traffic volume, or higher yields, or whether one has a particular geographical advantage over the other? Are there any other 2nd tier cities which might support international service that isn't on the ME3+? Might we see an airline like TK fly to PEW and LYP for example.
directorguy wrote:Thanks for all the well informed replies.
I remember hearing people who flew from places in Europe, the Middle East and the Gulf onwards to Asia, sometimes with a night stop in KHI or LHE . Not sure if PK was dry back then. PK had a lot of weight back in the 1980s and helped EK launch operations. Would be interesting if the Pakistani govt can deliver a world class hub in ISB and maybe KHI. It is a shame Lahore is underdeveloped as a tourism destination, as everyone ends up going to Delhi/Rajasthan but rarely combine it with Lahore due to visa/travel issues.
directorguy wrote:Thanks for all the well informed replies.
I remember hearing people who flew from places in Europe, the Middle East and the Gulf onwards to Asia, sometimes with a night stop in KHI or LHE . Not sure if PK was dry back then. PK had a lot of weight back in the 1980s and helped EK launch operations. Would be interesting if the Pakistani govt can deliver a world class hub in ISB and maybe KHI. It is a shame Lahore is underdeveloped as a tourism destination, as everyone ends up going to Delhi/Rajasthan but rarely combine it with Lahore due to visa/travel issues.
klakzky123 wrote:directorguy wrote:Thanks for all the well informed replies.
I remember hearing people who flew from places in Europe, the Middle East and the Gulf onwards to Asia, sometimes with a night stop in KHI or LHE . Not sure if PK was dry back then. PK had a lot of weight back in the 1980s and helped EK launch operations. Would be interesting if the Pakistani govt can deliver a world class hub in ISB and maybe KHI. It is a shame Lahore is underdeveloped as a tourism destination, as everyone ends up going to Delhi/Rajasthan but rarely combine it with Lahore due to visa/travel issues.
Pakistan became fully dry in the 80s. Before the 80s, it definitely had a very different air to it (especially Karachi). Karachi has always been the most diverse city in Pakistan (it still is) but that diversity used to translate to a more liberal and cosmopolitan vibe to the city. But Pakistani cities as a whole were all more open and secular in the 70s. And Karachi had none of the violence that it has today. Back in the day you still had clubs, theaters, open beaches, and plenty of alcohol. Stanley Ho (who owns several casinos in Macau) was even in the middle of building one of the world's largest casinos in Karachi before the government started implementing religious laws. Pakistan's tourism pretty much dried up over the course of a year or two. And it hasn't recovered since.
LH658 wrote:I think AA has something signed with PK, Don't quote me though.
BrooklyBOMgal wrote:LH658 wrote:I think AA has something signed with PK, Don't quote me though.
The news within AA is that a daily direct flight to ISB will be announced in the last week of November.
lalib wrote:Cathay was the best airline that served KHI in recent times and they were doing well.
With an expanding middle class more Pakistanis are traveling. Lets hope the new Islamabad airport attracts some new traffic.
BrooklyBOMgal wrote:LH658 wrote:I think AA has something signed with PK, Don't quote me though.
The news within AA is that a daily direct flight to ISB will be announced in the last week of November.
Ammad wrote:BrooklyBOMgal wrote:LH658 wrote:I think AA has something signed with PK, Don't quote me though.
The news within AA is that a daily direct flight to ISB will be announced in the last week of November.
Really? I can expect BA returning to ISB, but touching down AA is difficult to believe.
lalib wrote:Cathay was the best airline that served KHI in recent times and they were doing well.
With an expanding middle class more Pakistanis are traveling. Lets hope the new Islamabad airport attracts some new traffic.
LH658 wrote:Ammad wrote:BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
The news within AA is that a daily direct flight to ISB will be announced in the last week of November.
Really? I can expect BA returning to ISB, but touching down AA is difficult to believe.
Maybe he meant BA, I meant to say I think PIA signed something with AA at JFK on regarding transferring PAX to other North American cities, don't quote me though.
TryToFlySomeday wrote:Yes AA and PK interline out of JFK. AA brings the passengers to JFK, PK then brings passengers nonstop to LHE.
I'd like to see PK and AA do a full fledged codeshare out of both JFK and MAN.
LH658 wrote:lalib wrote:Cathay was the best airline that served KHI in recent times and they were doing well.
With an expanding middle class more Pakistanis are traveling. Lets hope the new Islamabad airport attracts some new traffic.
I think Thai does better, lot of PAX including my co workers use Thai to get the China and other parts of Asia from Pakistan.
adi00654 wrote:LH658 wrote:lalib wrote:Cathay was the best airline that served KHI in recent times and they were doing well.
With an expanding middle class more Pakistanis are traveling. Lets hope the new Islamabad airport attracts some new traffic.
I think Thai does better, lot of PAX including my co workers use Thai to get the China and other parts of Asia from Pakistan.
Cathay now no longer flies to Pakistan.Only Thai flies.
Many budget airlines such as Air Asia must try either LHE or ISB from Kuala Lumpur
LH658 wrote:TryToFlySomeday wrote:Yes AA and PK interline out of JFK. AA brings the passengers to JFK, PK then brings passengers nonstop to LHE.
I'd like to see PK and AA do a full fledged codeshare out of both JFK and MAN.
MAN would be pointless, as AA only has 2 flights JFK and PHL i think. Would make more sense from LHR with AA or BA, or even TK out of IST.
Does anybody see any more growth between, Pakistan and China destination? Lahore only has Beijing from PIA and CAN from Shaheen Air. ISB and KHI receives CA, ISB also has China Southern.
I feel like with so much Chinese development there would more flights from other cities etc or frequencies.
TryToFlySomeday wrote:Anyways, whats the status on ISB new airport?
Ammad wrote:TryToFlySomeday wrote:Anyways, whats the status on ISB new airport?
Islamabad International Airport To Be Inaugurated In December 2017 Instead Of August
CanadaFair wrote:Norwegia has shown interest in serving 3 main gateway cities in Pakistan with 737max.
What about AirAsiaX, Scoot, Batik/Lion Air, Cathay Dragon? is there potential?
CanadaFair wrote:It was mentioned in their expansion possibilities in an article.
TryToFlySomeday wrote:Until theres a source with more details I doubt Norwegian would touch Pakistan. I dont think they even fly to India or Bangladesh.
CanadaFair wrote:Iran's Kish Air launched once weekly service to Islamabad last week.from Tehran an A321 was used, aviationiran source, in July Mahan resumed Lahore.
LH658 wrote:CanadaFair wrote:Iran's Kish Air launched once weekly service to Islamabad last week.from Tehran an A321 was used, aviationiran source, in July Mahan resumed Lahore.
These Iranian carriers, always on and off. I wonder if Pakistani need visa to transit in Iran?