IceAir778
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Re: Icelandair's fleet plans

Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:00 pm

First three of B737MAX8 will join the FI´s fleet first quarter 2018. They have already announce first B737MAX destination as it is already posted in another thread.

There is a rumor, that FI will acquire at least 4 aircrafts for 2018. Three B737MAX and one B753.
Interesting times ahead!
 
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Re: Icelandair's fleet plans

Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:10 pm

IceAir778 wrote:
First three of B737MAX8 will join the FI´s fleet first quarter 2018. They have already announce first B737MAX destination as it is already posted in another thread.

There is a rumor, that FI will acquire at least 4 aircrafts for 2018. Three B737MAX and one B753.
Interesting times ahead!

There aren't many 753s around, where are they getting it from? Condor? Or one of the pair in Israel?
 
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Re: Icelandair's fleet plans

Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:49 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
IceAir778 wrote:
First three of B737MAX8 will join the FI´s fleet first quarter 2018. They have already announce first B737MAX destination as it is already posted in another thread.

There is a rumor, that FI will acquire at least 4 aircrafts for 2018. Three B737MAX and one B753.
Interesting times ahead!

There aren't many 753s around, where are they getting it from? Condor? Or one of the pair in Israel?

Possibly Irasel as Arkia is replacing both its B753 with a mix of A321neo&B789s
 
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Re: Icelandair's fleet plans

Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:39 pm

Love the fact that they fly the 757, but, that "business class" offering, Saga, is so out of date. A lay flat is long over due. :twocents:
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Re: Icelandair's fleet plans

Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:07 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
IceAir778 wrote:
First three of B737MAX8 will join the FI´s fleet first quarter 2018. They have already announce first B737MAX destination as it is already posted in another thread.

There is a rumor, that FI will acquire at least 4 aircrafts for 2018. Three B737MAX and one B753.
Interesting times ahead!

There aren't many 753s around, where are they getting it from? Condor? Or one of the pair in Israel?

Possibly Irasel as Arkia is replacing both its B753 with a mix of A321neo&B789s


I would bet Arkia. Would be very nice to get both of them!
 
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Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:54 pm

Maybe this is already a topic, but here goes.
I find FI's growth interesting, but also I wonder what their fleet and airport plans are:
1 - The 737MAX is a good choice for flights to Europe since I believe all of Europe is within rage of the MAX
2 - The 757 fleet is on the average about 20 years old. The MAX can't reach all US destinations, so what should FI do
3 - I see the 757 solutions as
A - Find additional 757, but I can't imagine there are many left that would be an attractive purchase
B - Find some newer 767's or buy some new 767's....
C - Buy some 787's
D - Hold out for the 797 and hope it has the range needed
E - Airbus 321NEO's. I am not sure they have the range needed

It seems the 787 would be a good choice. Yes, it is a lot more capacity, but it also efficient and perhaps more cargo compared with the 757. It would also allow new markets to open. I think a flight to Hawaii would be popular for Europeans tired of going to the Canary Islands.
Perhaps LA and SFO to add to the West Coast flights.

But how much longer will the current fleet of 757's make sense? I would imagine as some of the older ones are nearing 30 years, the cost of maintenance will force FI to find new/newer planes.

I wish FI good look in their decision making and hopefully some thoughtful replies here as well.

Oh, and KEF....how are the updates coming along? I've heard it can substantially overcrowded there at times.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:05 pm

Buy WOW. End of strategy.
 
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:23 pm

oh boy... seems FI is the new 757. How many threads do we need?
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:24 pm

You are right to say that the 757 fleet isn't getting any younger, however the longevity thereof really depends on the number of cycles per aircraft and also the availability of spare parts. Right now, getting hold of spare parts isn't really an issue. Also, some aircraft are considerably younger than others.

Icelandair has so far adopted a piecemeal approach to the 767 fleet. They have added four aircraft over a period of a couple of years as they have deemed fit. An order for brand new 767s is unlikely, but the addition of used 767s if the right opportunity presents itself is quite likely.

As has been noted in other threads, the airline has ordered one 787, but this will be leased out, not operated by Icelandair.

The 797 is really hypothetical until Boeing defines it a bit more than just an outline on a slideshow (Paris Airshow, I believe).
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:31 pm

How about going all A380?
 
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:16 pm

flybynight wrote:
Maybe this is already a topic, but here goes.
I think a flight to Hawaii would be popular for Europeans tired of going to the Canary Islands.


Icelandair to Hawaii - makes absolutely no sense.
 
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:22 pm

TerminalD wrote:
Buy WOW. End of strategy.


Ding ding ding!
 
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:36 pm

jetero wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
Buy WOW. End of strategy.


Ding ding ding!

That does not work. the Competition Authority will never allow that.
You realize that FI + WW control over 80% of the seats offered and passengers carried out of KEF
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:41 pm

kelvin933 wrote:
jetero wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
Buy WOW. End of strategy.


Ding ding ding!

That does not work. the Competition Authority will never allow that.
You realize that FI + WW control over 80% of the seats offered and passengers carried out of KEF


Well they don't have to take it over ... they just have to run it out of business. Should be relatively easy--I doubt WW has much cash.
 
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:58 pm

jetero wrote:
Well they don't have to take it over ... they just have to run it out of business. Should be relatively easy--I doubt WW has much cash.


I'd like to see some better information about WW. Right now, details about their business are pretty hard to come by.

What I do know, however, is that every single one of their aircraft is leased. I'd be interested in learning more about the details of those leases (what sort of deal Wow is getting), but the impression I get is that WW would not be in a good position to ride out a storm if one occurred. Icelandair, which in contrast owns the majority of their fleet, would be able to park aircraft at little cost if there were to be a downturn. In short, Icelandair's business model is built for the long term, grounded in sound business decisions and carefully-managed strategy. The growth of Wow Air has been spontaneous and rapid. It seems unsustainable and not at all future-proof.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:42 am

Icelandair, and Icelandair Group as a whole's future strategy has been and will continue to be.......patience.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:59 am

jaybird wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Maybe this is already a topic, but here goes.
I think a flight to Hawaii would be popular for Europeans tired of going to the Canary Islands.


Icelandair to Hawaii - makes absolutely no sense.


Caribbean is a lot closer and there are plenty of non-stops from continental Europe as it is.
 
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:03 am

TerminalD wrote:
Buy WOW. End of strategy.

Their European route structure is fairly similar. I'd like to see FI branch out more. IMO they are serving enough cities in North America at this time. Time to expand more on the other side of the pond. I'm sure that there are plenty here who will disagree with me. But it's just my opinion.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:02 am

Hopefully Detroit is some where in those plans.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:13 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
oh boy... seems FI is the new 757. How many threads do we need?


You could move on and not comment...just a thought. :box:
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:15 pm

jaybird wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Maybe this is already a topic, but here goes.
I think a flight to Hawaii would be popular for Europeans tired of going to the Canary Islands.


Icelandair to Hawaii - makes absolutely no sense.


Why? Just about everyone flying FI originates in Europe. Say OSL-KEF-Hawaii. Or any of the other European cities that FI serves.
Do you have compelling data that refutes this?
I am not saying it is a natural route, but it would also be an exclusive.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:23 pm

klm617 wrote:
Hopefully Detroit is some where in those plans.


You just got WW!! :roll:

Give another airport a chance.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:07 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
Buy WOW. End of strategy.

Their European route structure is fairly similar. I'd like to see FI branch out more. IMO they are serving enough cities in North America at this time. Time to expand more on the other side of the pond. I'm sure that there are plenty here who will disagree with me. But it's just my opinion.


I agree they really need to expand on the Europe/Asia/Africa side, but I mean they don't even serve Cali, South Florida, ATL, LAS, Houston, Carribean, Mexico, e.t.c e.t.c so they still have a lot of room to grow on the North America side
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:27 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
TerminalD wrote:
Buy WOW. End of strategy.

Their European route structure is fairly similar. I'd like to see FI branch out more. IMO they are serving enough cities in North America at this time. Time to expand more on the other side of the pond. I'm sure that there are plenty here who will disagree with me. But it's just my opinion.


I agree they really need to expand on the Europe/Asia/Africa side, but I mean they don't even serve Cali, South Florida, ATL, LAS, Houston, Carribean, Mexico, e.t.c e.t.c so they still have a lot of room to grow on the North America side

IMO MCO/TPA is ok coverage for right now. Texas and the Southwest US is limited because the 757 doesn't have the range, and cities where they are flying 767 are running full.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:51 pm

Is their POS mainly US or Europe? Do they have strong brand recognition in the new markets they started in the US? How do people differentiate between FI and WW?

Also would be interesting to see whether either airline will expand beyond Europe. KEF TLV was an interesting (and logical) start, but plenty of other cities with demand to the US- BEY, AMM, CMN etc.
 
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:22 pm

Icelandair Group (Loftleidir) recently entered into a consulting contract with TACV (VR) and will be guiding them as they look to expand into a connecting hub carrier like FI has done at KEF. While there is no confirmation that Icelandair Group has made any investment into TACV, it would not shock me if they eventually took an equity stake. TACV offers some interesting options for traffic flows from Central/South American to Europe and Africa that would be complimentary to the route network FI has at present.
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Re: Icelandair future strategy

Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:09 am

lavalampluva wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Hopefully Detroit is some where in those plans.


You just got WW!! :roll:

Give another airport a chance.

No I actually agree with him. CLE and DFW got Iceland air on the heels of WW and DTW didn't. And he didn't say DTW must and is the most important priority for the airline. Give him some credit when credit is due. Also, do you just follow around where he is posting and make rude rebuttals back?
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