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kunta67 wrote:The last time I came home, the HAL Hangar was still fenced off. When is the contractor dispute over the HAL hangar going to be resolved? Also when are they going to move Island Air so they can do the mauka concourse
WPvsMW wrote:Time for HNL, OGG, KOA, ITO, LIH, and other airports in Hawaii, to have a dedicated thread, starting with a recent update from HI DOTrans ADiv.
http://patahawaii.com/wrap-up-airports- ... entations/
RWA380 wrote:WPvsMW wrote:Time for HNL, OGG, KOA, ITO, LIH, and other airports in Hawaii, to have a dedicated thread, starting with a recent update from HI DOTrans ADiv.
http://patahawaii.com/wrap-up-airports- ... entations/
There used to be a HNL spotters thread that continued for years, years ago. I think it was a core group of greatly enthusiastic members who got a lot of us engaged in their thread, it was a fun thread to follow, good luck here. I think Hawaii deserves it's own thread & not to be lumped into a greater Pacific thread. I've flown in & out of 9 airports in Hawaii & am looking to add a couple more next time we go.
jsnww81 wrote:I posted this a few weeks back in another thread, but will pop in here too. As much as I love the retro feel of Hawaii's airports (even OGG and LIH, which I still think of as "new" because I can remember when they were built) it's pretty astonishing how little attention the state has given them over the past two decades.
- HNL: where to even begin? I love the flashback feel and the fact that I can recognize where episodes of the original "Hawaii Five-O" were filmed, but the place needs so much work it's not even funny. We've been seeing renderings of the Mauka Concourse for a solid decade now, and my mom remembers riding the Wiki-Wiki buses as a teenager, when they were brand new
- ITO: basically hasn't changed since 1976 and still has lots of big empty space left over from the days of United and Continental DC10s
- KOA: they've been talking about expanding the terminal for as long as I can remember. It's a charming facility, but the holdrooms and open areas get crowded, and there are still no jetways (as an avgeek that's nice, but it's 2017 and KOA is a major airport with international flights)
- OGG: the last time I was there I couldn't believe how tired it looked. The architecture was dated when it opened, and it hasn't really aged well. There are some breezy sections, but there's also a lot of brutalist concrete design that doesn't really say "Hawaii." The new access road and CONRAC are a nice start, but more is needed... and let's not get started on the runway extension
- LIH: was way ahead of its time when it was built (and probably way too big) but today it's not big enough. The ticket lobby and security checkpoint are nuts when all the redeye flights are checking in. About the only things that have changed in 30 years of operation are a Starbucks in the atrium and painting the roof green
DeSpringbokke wrote:Does LIH still have the shortest runway of the five major airports in Hawai'i? There was a plan to extend it but I'm unaware if it has been completed. Was at a rather short 6,500 feet, that's even shorter than DCA. I know OGG's runway is only 6,995 feet and attempts to lengthen it have all been rejected by NIMBYs.
maortega15 wrote:Are there any recent instances where commercial flights have landed on the reef runway at HNL? I know it's used for departures (took off on a JL 767 to NRT a few years ago), but don't recall any landings.
77H wrote:
Having spent a considerable amount of my life living on or visiting Maui, it doesn't seem that the island is as popular with Asia origin tourists as HNL or KOA. That said, perhaps if there was a nonstop from somewhere like NRT it would spur demand. More than that, since my adolescence, OGG has seen considerable downgauges or service cancellations. OGG used to get nonstop service from ATL (DL), IAH (CO) and even ORD (AA). OGG used to get all WB service from UA to DEN, ORD, LAX and SFO. SFO and LAX are almost all 737's, DEN is a 752 and ORD is Saturday only.
77H
flyPIT wrote:77H wrote:the reef runway (26R)
26L
maortega15 wrote:Are there any recent instances where commercial flights have landed on the reef runway at HNL? I know it's used for departures (took off on a JL 767 to NRT a few years ago), but don't recall any landings.
77H wrote:maortega15 wrote:Are there any recent instances where commercial flights have landed on the reef runway at HNL? I know it's used for departures (took off on a JL 767 to NRT a few years ago), but don't recall any landings.
Really the only time you'll see aircraft landing on the reef runway (26R) are when the winds are blowing from the West/Southwest (Kona Winds) as opposed to the tradewinds. It is actually pretty rare but offers great views of Diamond Head and Waikiki on approach if you're lucky enough to arrive when Kona Wind Ops are in effect. I've never seen an aircraft land from the West on the Reef Runway (8R). Even if 8L is closed, aircraft will usually land on the 4's.
77H
usxguy wrote:Commuter terminal won't be demolished until DOT or HA caves. HA refuses to give up gate space to accommodate WP & MW, which is odd, since HA is the sole benefactor of the commuter terminal closing.
Someone is going to blink and it won't be pretty. Maybe in 20 years we'll have the new concourse done. Actually, I wonder what will be done first: mauka concourse or light rail?![]()
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azjubilee wrote:usxguy wrote:Commuter terminal won't be demolished until DOT or HA caves. HA refuses to give up gate space to accommodate WP & MW, which is odd, since HA is the sole benefactor of the commuter terminal closing.
Someone is going to blink and it won't be pretty. Maybe in 20 years we'll have the new concourse done. Actually, I wonder what will be done first: mauka concourse or light rail?![]()
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Nobody has to cave. Construction starts Oct 1st for the new commuter terminal which will be adjacent to gate 6.
LamboAston wrote:Just noticed that at HNL, the Kalitta 742 is at the cargo terminal (now retired), and the tail boom of a helicopter on the taxiway south of 26R exactly south of the 22L intersection on google maps
WPvsMW wrote:Re: the 01 Oct. 2017 start date (link?) ... how did ADiv resolve the expense issue with MW and WP?
See https://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolul ... 2161161266
ConcordeAE wrote:Landed on 26L last March while sitting on the right hand side of a Hawaiian A330 from SFO, great views and purely by luck as I normally sit on the left hand side. That was then followed by a 26R departure on a HA 717 to Hilo. First time in over 15 trips to HNL that i've ever been on the 26's.
77H wrote:
Having spent a considerable amount of my life living on or visiting Maui, it doesn't seem that the island is as popular with Asia origin tourists as HNL or KOA. That said, perhaps if there was a nonstop from somewhere like NRT it would spur demand. More than that, since my adolescence, OGG has seen considerable downgauges or service cancellations. OGG used to get nonstop service from ATL (DL), IAH (CO) and even ORD (AA). OGG used to get all WB service from UA to DEN, ORD, LAX and SFO. SFO and LAX are almost all 737's, DEN is a 752 and ORD is Saturday only.
77H
77H wrote:Having spent a considerable amount of my life living on or visiting Maui, it doesn't seem that the island is as popular with Asia origin tourists as HNL or KOA. That said, perhaps if there was a nonstop from somewhere like NRT it would spur demand. 77H
WPvsMW wrote:Who's doing the early touchdowns on HNL RW 8L?
https://goo.gl/maps/3F4sPs4aXYS2
That's alot of rubber before the aiming point, significant rubber on the threshold, even rubber on the first threshold stripe.
Some HA pilots land early to get an "early exit" back to the interisland terminal.. but that much rubber pre-aiming point means WBs at play.
Compare 26R https://goo.gl/maps/epye5Ps4NgB2
and 4R https://goo.gl/maps/3BGRu3vSKPJ2
And, for a bit of humor, proof of candor in the military: https://goo.gl/maps/XToot6TL2Uw
77H wrote:DeSpringbokke wrote:Does LIH still have the shortest runway of the five major airports in Hawai'i? There was a plan to extend it but I'm unaware if it has been completed. Was at a rather short 6,500 feet, that's even shorter than DCA. I know OGG's runway is only 6,995 feet and attempts to lengthen it have all been rejected by NIMBYs.
Both of LIH's runways are still at 6500 ft.
While I understand the resistance from residents in not wanting Maui to become another Oahu I think the county (and its residents) are shooting themselves in the foot purposefully trying to hamper tourism growth. Though I am not quite sure expanding the runway would bring in considerably more service.
Beyond not having a dedicated FIS, which could be implemented rather easily if demand warranted it, I'm not entirely sure whats stopping more international carriers from operating into OGG today. UA currently flies OGG-ORD nonstop with a HD 772 which is a distance of 3636.6 nmi. OGG-NRT is 3403.7 nmi. It is understood that OGG-ORD isn't battling prevailing headwinds like OGG-Asia but they could easily get around that hurdle by offering a triangle flight Asia-OGG-KOA-Asia. UA and NW both used to operate triangle routes ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD and SEA-OGG-KOA-SEA respectively and JL used to operate NRT-HNL-KOA-NRT. Their new flight is nonstop.
Having spent a considerable amount of my life living on or visiting Maui, it doesn't seem that the island is as popular with Asia origin tourists as HNL or KOA. That said, perhaps if there was a nonstop from somewhere like NRT it would spur demand. More than that, since my adolescence, OGG has seen considerable downgauges or service cancellations. OGG used to get nonstop service from ATL (DL), IAH (CO) and even ORD (AA). OGG used to get all WB service from UA to DEN, ORD, LAX and SFO. SFO and LAX are almost all 737's, DEN is a 752 and ORD is Saturday only.
77H
T prop wrote:See that Virgin flew 'Neo Kid on the Block' to HNL today..
QANTAS747-438 wrote:When does HA N361HA get put into service? I saw it was flown to PAE on September 29.
SkyVoice wrote:A question . . . was there, at one time, commercial air service at Princeville Airport (HPV)? I realize that the airport's runway is only 3,560' (1,085 meters) long, plus there is (or was) helicopter service available, but did any airline ever connect HPV with HNL or any other airport in the islands? Thank you in advance for your answers, I have enjoyed reading this thread a great deal!