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Re: Chicago Aviation News

Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:58 am

Why is AA stagnating at ORD anyway? They should be doing the opposite and expand. Or is the focus shifting to building up elsewhere?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News

Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:39 am

ADrum23 wrote:
Why is AA stagnating at ORD anyway? They should be doing the opposite and expand. Or is the focus shifting to building up elsewhere?


American has announced a plethora of new routes, is building 5 new gates, and Envoy just opened their new E175 base at ORD. I think your definition of "stagnating" is significantly different from my own.
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Re: Chicago Aviation News

Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:22 pm

Is the growth really constrained by gate availability though? Look at the operations numbers. Sure bigger planes need more space, but it would appear that flight ops are down nearly 300 flights per day from the peak. Does one 737/320 gate equal 3 50 seater gates?
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Re: Chicago Aviation News

Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:25 pm

MLIAA wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Why is AA stagnating at ORD anyway? They should be doing the opposite and expand. Or is the focus shifting to building up elsewhere?


American has announced a plethora of new routes, is building 5 new gates, and Envoy just opened their new E175 base at ORD. I think your definition of "stagnating" is significantly different from my own.


That is all for American Eagle operations. For mainline operations and transatlantic flying, it appears they have. LHR is the only year round TATL flight, and AA either completely lacks or only has seasonal mainline service to a plethora of cities that should have year round mainline (cities such as BNA, MSY, IND, CVG, CMH, CLE, IAH, etc).
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News

Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:40 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Why is AA stagnating at ORD anyway? They should be doing the opposite and expand. Or is the focus shifting to building up elsewhere?


American has announced a plethora of new routes, is building 5 new gates, and Envoy just opened their new E175 base at ORD. I think your definition of "stagnating" is significantly different from my own.


That is all for American Eagle operations. For mainline operations and transatlantic flying, it appears they have. LHR is the only year round TATL flight, and AA either completely lacks or only has seasonal mainline service to a plethora of cities that should have year round mainline (cities such as BNA, MSY, IND, CVG, CMH, CLE, IAH, etc).


My understanding is that it isn't simply an addition of 5 gates, but rather these 5 gates will allow restructuring of other gates, too. For example, we could see an additional widebody gate created.

Further, "year round mainline" is overrated when it causes schedules that are not optimal. I'd rather have more service on E175s than 1-2 daily mainline (i.e., AA's mainline schedule to MSY is really sub-optimal, having lower capacity planes at higher frequencies would be preferable for me and a lot of travelers). Frankly, I'd rather them not add too much capacity where it crushes yields, that does not one favors (only the public temporarily until a pullback). You seem very focused on surface-level concerns of size, rather than looking an entire operation together.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation News

Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:19 am

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AA’s loss is UA’s and others’ gains. Maybe they’ll add more when T5 expands, but AA seems comfortable with seasonal flights and letting OneWorld partners handle all.

I wouldn’t be surprised if AA dropped ORD-MAN and it was picked up by UA or BA.

If UA wasn’t so awful, they could be kicking AAs ass. ORD is stuck with an incompetent airline (UA), and one that is just waiting to see what happens with gate leases in 2018, T5 expansion, and new terminal (AA). Until this is settled, ORD is limited in growth (upgauging or off-peak flights).


I'd not be surprised of AA dropped ORD-MAN. The writing has been on the wall for some time.

I could see UA having a look on a seasonal basis. There was a story of BA looking at MAN-JFK/ORD but I cant see any movement on that soon.
 
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Re: Chicago aviation news - 2017

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