georgiabill wrote:

That being said would NK, F9 or G4 consider MHT? I could see NK doing MHT-ORD,MHT-DTW and MHT-FLL. All routes that have supported mainline flights in the past.

Although service at PSM is currently limited to Allegiant flights, I could see more LCCs coming here, as it's very underutilized.

One gate. Free parking. Never a line. Also is an official point of entry with full Customs and Immigrations. Convenient to MHT area, North Boston and Southern Maine. A great "little" big airport.

It's so close to MHT, I can't see Allegiant starting service to MHT, but wouldn't be surprised to seen another LCC come in.

ssteve wrote:

pwm2txlhopper wrote:

'Former Loring base preparing for new aviation repair firm'

http://thecounty.me/2017/06/22/news/for ... pair-firm/

Wow, that's WAY up there.

Could TATL flights pass customs there? It's 3 hours from the CBP guys at Bangor, but it's near the border.

I wonder if they see an advantage to being a very northeasterly MRO setup in the US. Get something like a bizjet with short legs repositioning to the US from Europe to stop by...

Right now, the former Loring AFB, designated ME16, Loring International airport, is a private airfield that's almost unused for aviation. There's X's on the 12,500 foot runway, but planes can land with prior permission requested. Currently, there is no FBO, fuel, or any aircraft services available. However, Customs officials can meet aircraft with prior notice given. ( There's a nearby border control point into Canada with IC agents on hand. )

MODS: its driving me crazy ... can you pls change the title from BVT to BTV!? Thanx

Just my opinion but I don’t see NK doing anything else in southern or eastern New England now that they are in BOS and BDL. G4 entering PVD gives them a bracket on either side of BOS so not sure they would enter MHT or PWM. F9 just started PVD and could look at northern New England so maybe there is a chance there for PWM or MHT.

miaami wrote:

Starting December 15, 2017, AA is up gauging their morning PWM-CLT flight from A319 to A321.

Wow -- did not know that. Assuming I'm reading this correctly, they're keeping the second flight, correct?

I've just added the 2014-2017 (July) stats for BDL to my site, although it doesn't give route structure info, it does give you an idea about the trends of who is doing what on various bases. These is a monthly and annual total comparison year over year, but not one for the airlines, so i suspect you will find that of most use.
PVD will be next and they go back to 2004, so a bit more work and a slightly different format, they do give you a year over year comparative, but only 1 year at a detail level, they do give a summary comparatives for prior 5 years. Anyway, watch this space, once I have completed an LH report related to BOS, this one will be worked on next. you can find the new BDL report with all the state route reports in the New England T-100 section. I'll let you start drawing your own conclusions on the numbers based on what you find.
http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newengla ... nglandt100

33lspotter wrote:

miaami wrote:

Starting December 15, 2017, AA is up gauging their morning PWM-CLT flight from A319 to A321.

Wow -- did not know that. Assuming I'm reading this correctly, they're keeping the second flight, correct?

Yes, still 2 flights to CLT

VS4ever wrote:

I've just added the 2014-2017 (July) stats for BDL to my site, although it doesn't give route structure info, it does give you an idea about the trends of who is doing what on various bases. These is a monthly and annual total comparison year over year, but not one for the airlines, so i suspect you will find that of most use.
PVD will be next and they go back to 2004, so a bit more work and a slightly different format, they do give you a year over year comparative, but only 1 year at a detail level, they do give a summary comparatives for prior 5 years. Anyway, watch this space, once I have completed an LH report related to BOS, this one will be worked on next. you can find the new BDL report with all the state route reports in the New England T-100 section. I'll let you start drawing your own conclusions on the numbers based on what you find.
http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newengla ... nglandt100

Thanks for doing all of this! Its a great site.

Congratulations to BDL, PVD, and PWM for making Conde Nast Traveler's 10 Best Airports in the U.S.
BDL #5
PVD #9
PWM #10

https://www.cntraveler.com/galleries/20 ... rds-2014/1

Worcester Airport (ORH) has a yearly neighborhood meeting to update the local community on happenings at the airport. The full article is here http://www.telegram.com/news/20171018/d ... or-takeoff, but a few key points:

1. Cat. III Instrument Landing system is scheduled for a Dec. 7th activation.
2. Work is being done on a "jug handle" taxi way. Not sure which runway this is for?
3. Baltimore service may be delayed, the approval process is taking longer than expected.
4. At least 2 other airlines are interested in flying out of Worcester.

RL757PVD wrote:

airbazar wrote:

Here we go again. That wasn't meant to be a MHT vs. PVD comment. You're just too blind to any facts that might lower it's significance.
The fact is, Southern MA and RI have some of the poorest towns in the region so you can't count those people as potential customers of PVD. Bristol County is the second poorest in MA:

Well they are coming from somewhere, because I the latest stat is close to 40% of PVD's pax come from Massachusetts, so either they are flying or there are enough non-poor mixed in. You observations have zero relevance in the face of actual usage.

I disagree and I can prove it that my observation is very relevant. And here's how:
PVD has a catchment area that is 4x larger than MHT, as you say. However its passengers numbers are only 40% larger than MHT. If the total population was as relevant as you claim, PVD should be seeing 4x the number of passengers that MHT sees.

I never said that people from MA were not using PVD. My argument was that because a large number of people living in Southern MA and RI can't afford to fly it's not fair to use the total population size as potential customers of the airport. 40% of 3.6 million is barely over 1.5 million annual passengers which is not a huge number for the most heavily populated region of New England. I agree that PVD's catchment area is larger than MHT's. I just don't agree that 4x larger is a fair assessment for the airport's potential.

LotsaRunway wrote:

Given the history of being able to draw more passengers, I think I will double-down on your statement that there is no room at MHT for jetBlue. jetBlue wouldn't necessarily be dividing what's left of the MHT pie, but would be bringing some back that may not be going to Logan to fly on them, enabling regional growth for the airline. If they can make ORH work, they certainly could do the same for MHT.

I'm far less optimist about the prospects of B6 at MHT. B6 is a pretty classic hub-and-spoke carrier. Service from MHT would be limited to FLL/JFK/MCO. Would they bring anything to the table that doesn't already exist at MHT? People are willing to drive to BOS to fly B6 because of their many non-stop destinations. I think people would continue to drive past MHT to catch those non-stop destinations out of BOS.

In my personal experience, the one market that is sorely missing from MHT is RDU. The reason I say this is because every time I take the BOS-RDU flight, there are a lot of people on that flight from northern MA and NH. We passengers to talk to eachother some times To me that is a no-brainer route but I just don't see WN starting that route because it is a classic business route. I don't see a lot of leisure passengers on that route but then again I always take the early morning or late evening flights.

cloudboy wrote:

Worcester Airport (ORH) has a yearly neighborhood meeting to update the local community on happenings at the airport. The full article is here http://www.telegram.com/news/20171018/d ... or-takeoff, but a few key points:

1. Cat. III Instrument Landing system is scheduled for a Dec. 7th activation.
2. Work is being done on a "jug handle" taxi way. Not sure which runway this is for?
3. Baltimore service may be delayed, the approval process is taking longer than expected.
4. At least 2 other airlines are interested in flying out of Worcester.

Seems as if B6's JFK-ORH service is about to (finally) come to fruition very soon as well.

MHT August numbers.
https://www.flymanchester.com/sites/def ... 202017.pdf
September numbers.
https://www.flymanchester.com/sites/def ... 202017.pdf

Revelation wrote:

WNflyer1523 wrote:

http://wtnh.com/2017/10/02/judge-upholds-state-law-limiting-length-of-tweed-runway/
Soooo, a judge just ruled that HVN can not lengthen their runway. This is a major blow to the airport, a bunch of potential new carriers down the drain.

Article says:

Richardson wrote he wasn’t convinced of the state-run airport’s claims that the law limiting the runway to its current 5,600 feet is threatening existing service and preventing Tweed from attracting more commercial flights.

Seems like nonsense to me. I hope it gets appealed.

HVN's board of directors voted to appeal the judges decision this week. It needs to be filed within 30 days of the judges ruling. I hope this time around Tweed's attorneys enlist the help of regional jet pilots to explain weight restrictions, displaced thresholds, etc and have someone from route planning at AA to explain why the current runway is preventing new service. Allegiant in a letter said they want to start service as soon as the runway is upgraded. Much pent up demand in the New Haven metro area and with AA committed to the airport, I am sure DL and UA are watching the developments closely.

cheapgreek wrote:

HVN's board of directors voted to appeal the judges decision this week. It needs to be filed within 30 days of the judges ruling. I hope this time around Tweed's attorneys enlist the help of regional jet pilots to explain weight restrictions, displaced thresholds, etc and have someone from route planning at AA to explain why the current runway is preventing new service. Allegiant in a letter said they want to start service as soon as the runway is upgraded. Much pent up demand in the New Haven metro area and with AA committed to the airport, I am sure DL and UA are watching the developments closely.

Yes, I 100% agree with you.

tomaheath wrote:

MHT August numbers.
https://www.flymanchester.com/sites/def ... 202017.pdf
September numbers.
https://www.flymanchester.com/sites/def ... 202017.pdf

Taking a quick look at the September numbers at MHT:
- Down overall 3.7% Sept 2017 from Sept 2016
- AA and DL numbers are up (AA added a 3rd CLT and DL ran larger aircraft to DTW)
- UA continues to spiral into oblivion (despite going to x3 ORD, it's on smaller ERJs and more EWR cuts. EWR was frequently delayed)
- WN is down around the rate of capacity reduction (one less BWI frequency and fewer -800s to MDW)

BDL saw an increase of around 12.1% more passengers in August 2017. AA also beat out WN for the top in August, however WN still holds the most market share YTD.

August 2017 Bradley International Passengers-

Total Passengers-

August 2017- 597,577 +12.1%
August 2016- 533,282

Jan-Aug 2017- 4,307,235 +7.2%
Jan-Aug 2016- 4,017,293

Domestic by Airline August 2017-

American- 147,035
Southwest- 141,670
Delta- 124,170
jetBlue- 74,532
United- 62,879
Spirit- 25,205
Onejet- 486

International by Airline August 2017-

Aer Lingus- 9,366 (Approx. 85% load)
Air Canada- 7,847
Norwegian- 4,547 (Approx. 94% load)
Delta- 1,085

BDL YTD (Jan-Aug) Passengers by Airline Total:

Southwest- 1,118,524
American- 1,090,133
Delta- 855,000
jetBlue- 593,611
United- 454,189
Spirit- 85,110
Aer Lingus- 57,322
Air Canada- 38,640
Norwegian- 9,894
Onejet- 3,505

comparative stats based on the August BDL numbers are now up on the site. Thanks Uconn99 for the heads up by posting the numbers above All the state numbers for April are also loaded now.

BDL....wow, with all those international passengers, Bradley International holds true in name indeed! And Spirit seems to have struck gold....with those numbers ...having been serving the city for only a few months on three flights a day. Me thinks they will be expanding.

finally completed the update to PVD for their issued numbers back through 2013 for monthly and 2012 for the year. Split Enplaned, Deplaned and Combined, along with total movements and split by major carrier. I did start a freight number, but some months were missing and was unable to connect the dots. however here you go.. I will add data going further back in time when i get a chance. There is at least another 8 years to add for analysis.
http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newengla ... nglandt100. These and the ones for BDL have been updated through August.

It looks like the City of Manchester just elected a new Mayor. Since Brewer it a City employee, I wonder the new mayor will give MHT management a fresh look or it she will look the other way like the outgoing mayor. MHT seems to be one of the very few shrinking airports in these days of growth and recovery. As someone previously posted, it's got to be an anchor on things like nearby businesses and bond ratings. Things have definitely improved at PVD which was in a similar economic boat.

On another note, anyone know how loads are looking on the A319 now running MHT-CLT? Years ago, this would have been a downgrade.

Doesn’t the new Mayor want to add a airport tax? Not sure how’d that work. I did check a few CLT flights and they were almost completely full.
This winter UA is down to just three flights a day. 1 ORD 2 EWR. The ORD flight is scheduled on a CRJ200 for an afternoon departure that sounds all around awful.

UA is just content to keep their foot in the door and has withered down to the bare minimum yett PWM has a fuller schedule than MHT. So many connecting opportunities available via EWR but if the MHT station operates like PVD, the first clap of thunder or couple of snowflakes and the flights are cancelled or hopelessy delayed. The same goes for Dulles. As for ORD, there is little appeal for the business traveler to ride a once a day frequency especially in Winter. Basically UA has handed Chicago to WN at MHT and to AA & WN down at PVD.

The hurricanes sure did impact the numbers at BDL this past September with traffic up only 1.9% over September 2016. I am surprised how much WN traffic dipped off, trailing DL for the month which hasn't happened in years! I expected a hit to B6's numbers since the SJU flight was impacted the most but not so much with WN.


September 2017 Bradley International Passengers-

Total Passengers-

September 2017- 484,649 +1.9%
September 2016- 475,482

Jan-Sept 2017- 4,791,884 +6.7%
Jan-Sept 2016- 4,492,775

Domestic by Airline September 2017-

American- 123,800
Delta- 104,248
Southwest- 102,877
United- 61,444
jetBlue- 58,996
Spirit- 15,445
Onejet- 419

International by Airline September 2017-

Aer Lingus- 9,357 (approx. 88% load)
Air Canada- 5,331
Norwegian- 2,732

uconn99 wrote:

The hurricanes sure did impact the numbers at BDL this past September with traffic up only 1.9% over September 2016. I am surprised how much WN traffic dipped off, trailing DL for the month which hasn't happened in years! I expected a hit to B6's numbers since the SJU flight was impacted the most but not so much with WN.

Dang it, the first time i don't look at the site, they update the numbers... thanks for posting, that did not look clever, DY was a huge drop over August, i've updated the comparatives on the site so you can see airline by airline exactly what happened. The interesting thing for me is, if you take out the 12,000 for Aer Lingus and Norwegian, the domestic dropped overall. (year on year)
WN - down 6.7%
DL - down 4.9%
B6 - down 2.4%
AA - down 5.6%

On the upside outside of the new entrants
AC - up 1.6%
UA - up 6.8%

I suspect we will see B6 continue to be lower due to SJU issues, but the others are pretty big, unfortunate that we don't have the seat counts to determine a capacity/pax ratio view to see what the true driver was. I mean of course pax were down, but if capacity was down too, that will drive that behavior to a certain extent.

October will be interesting to see if this trend continues further.

Does amazon prime use PVD for there cargo operations? If so when did that start?

tomaheath wrote:

Does amazon prime use PVD for there cargo operations? If so when did that start?

If they do, it's through UPS or Fed Ex, or it's only just started because PVD only reports those two primarily plus Wiggins, which is a regional for Fed Ex.

RL757PVD, might have the inside track on it. if he's around.

Yes, Amazon Prime began PVD Op's less than a month ago.

Well talked about in the Amazon Prime/Fleet thread here on A.net and Amazon Prime Air Wikipedia is very up to date.

Thank you for the info!

Amazon ramped up PVD rapidly and very under the radar! Looking at flights aware there were over 12 767s in the past 2 week, roughly 2/day most days and that’s before the holiday season! That’s over a 100% increase in total cargo activity at the airport.

RL757PVD wrote:

Amazon ramped up PVD rapidly and very under the radar! Looking at flights aware there were over 12 767s in the past 2 week, roughly 2/day most days and that’s before the holiday season! That’s over a 100% increase in total cargo activity at the airport.

I am guessing this has a lot to do with their Fall River Warehouse and starting to ramp up for the busy season, they had a job fair there in August to hire a bunch of folks and having access through PVD would be the closest main airport for them at around 45 minutes transit time once the products are ready to move.

I have a feeling this is only going to get busier through December.

I’m also guessing PVD will be their Boston airport since they have no room

Will BDL see Amazon flights eventually?

Actually I stand corrected... flight aware shows 34 767s in the past 2 weeks... this is a near 200% increase in the cargo activity at the airport (5-6 weekly UPS and Fedex 757s, one each).

Also 31 A321's so its nice to see some bigger passenger metal back too.

Checking the loads on the AA's PHL-HVN flights with the CRJ's starting 11-29-2017, many of the flights are showing passenger counts in the 40's. Once word gets around, the flights will be well received and perhaps a forth flight will be added. A few years ago, there were 4 Dash-8 flights on the PHL-HVN route and with the response from passengers to these new flights, hopefully AA can go back to 4 daily flights.

For anyone interested October’s numbers from MHT.
https://www.flymanchester.com/sites/def ... 202017.pdf

I wish there was an additional calculation with all the express and affiliate lumped together with the main carrier for simplicity.
UA just coasting along depresses the total #s, it seems.

lat41 wrote:

I wish there was an additional calculation with all the express and affiliate lumped together with the main carrier for simplicity.
UA just coasting along depresses the total #s, it seems.

Stay tuned I am working on it back to 2013 should be done in a few days, had to find some hidden files first.

I had no idea that the one delta to Atlanta was the only non-Southwest mainline at MHT...

United is an absolute joke at PVD too though

DL throws a few mainlines to Detroit once in a while at MHT.

Hi all, after finding all the MHT hidden files (just because you can't see stuff, doesn't mean it isn't there or accessible) I've managed to consolidate all their stats for pax and cargo back to the beginning of 2013 in the usual format i have and linked all the regionals to their parent, it can be found at the link below.

I will keep this up to date like PVD and BDL on a monthly basis going forward. I've pulled Month, Quarter, Year to Date, Previous years and rolling 12 months. It clearly shows the slides over the years with the various drawdowns, AA and DL have ticked up a little YTD but not enough to offset UA and WN who continue to drop. Let me know if you have questions.

http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newengla ... nglandt100

cheapgreek wrote:

Checking the loads on the AA's PHL-HVN flights with the CRJ's starting 11-29-2017, many of the flights are showing passenger counts in the 40's. Once word gets around, the flights will be well received and perhaps a forth flight will be added. A few years ago, there were 4 Dash-8 flights on the PHL-HVN route and with the response from passengers to these new flights, hopefully AA can go back to 4 daily flights.

That's great to hear and it shows the demand for HVN -IS- there . .in spite of comments made by another user in a separate post re: HVN service.

I'd love to see a 4th frequency on this route. I worked at HVN for many years for US in the 90s and saw so many people passing thru there on US, UA and CO (and in the earlier days HQ, PM and NC).

Fingers crossed for success of the jet service on this route .. and for the runway issue to be resolved .. hopefully putting HVN on the map for other carriers (or even additional AA service) in the future. Southern CT needs an airport and air service that can be taken seriously. A CRJ-200 (while not an incredible plane) is a huge improvement over an old Dash 8-100 ! Nice to be heading back in that direction again.

UA is adding BTV-EWR mainline (A320) beginning 12/22/17

AC adding PVD-YYZ, I am not surprised by this but on a CRJ I find interesting. AC has never flown the CRJ into BDL, a similar market but also multiple daily flights. The AC flights into BDL typically have low loads so I assume the yields are good. Just recently BDL-YYZ restarted flying Dash-8 equipment on 2 / 4 daily flights after quite a few years of only B1900 flying, could BDL eventually get a CRJ?

AC7378 YYZ-PVD 0955-1139
AC7379 PVD-YYZ 1210-1359

First day of AA's CRJ HVN-PHL service. http://www.wfsb.com/story/36955950/new- ... -new-haven http://www.nhregister.com/news/article/ ... 393321.php

BTVB6Flyer wrote:

UA is adding BTV-EWR mainline (A320) beginning 12/22/17

Wow, this will be the first mainline BTV-EWR service since the days following Continental's takeover of People Express.

It also appears that UA is returning mainline to ORD-BTV at around the same time.

BTV has more UA service to EWR and ORD than not only PVD, but BDL too!

United is an absolute joke at PVD in the past few years though.

RL757PVD wrote:

BTV has more UA service to EWR and ORD than not only PVD, but BDL too!

United is an absolute joke at PVD in the past few years though.

UA is all over the place at BDL, PVD and BTV with frequency and aircraft type. It looks like PVD-IAD goes down to 1x daily CRJ for most of the winter while BDL keeps at least 1 mainline into IAD for most of the winter and a mix of CR7 and E175 on the other 3 daily flights. I don't see where BTV has more service than BDL, definitely not more seats.

Looking at random flights in January-March I find the following:

BDL-IAD 4x daily (1x 737/A320 and 3x E175/CRJ7)
BDL-EWR 3x daily (1x 739 1x E175, 1x E145)
BDL-ORD 3x daily (1x738 and 2x E175/CRJ7)
BDL-IAH 1x daily E175

BTV-EWR 4x daily (1x737 and 3x E145)
BTV-ORD 2x daily (1x 319 and 1x CRJ2)
BTV-IAD 2x daily (1x CRJ7 and 1x E145)

PVD-EWR 3x daily (2x E175 and 1x E145)
PVD-IAD 2x daily CRJ7 (looks to go 1x CRJ2 for most of winter)
PVD-ORD 1x daily E145

uconn99 wrote:

Looking at random flights in January-March I find the following:

BDL-IAD 4x daily (1x 737/A320 and 3x E175/CRJ7)
BDL-EWR 3x daily (1x 739 1x E175, 1x E145)
BDL-ORD 3x daily (1x738 and 2x E175/CRJ7)
BDL-IAH 1x daily E175

BTV-EWR 4x daily (1x737 and 3x E145)
BTV-ORD 2x daily (1x 319 and 1x CRJ2)
BTV-IAD 2x daily (1x CRJ7 and 1x E145)

I figured in the bigger picture it wasn't true, but I used 12/22 as my date, which BTV has 4x ORD. I guess being a bottom feeder airline, they thrive in markets where they have no competition.

I am surprised (though not really) that UA handed the ORD market to AA, which is upgrading from CR7s to E175s next month.

At least PVD got gates 7/8 back from UA to use as common use for D8 and F9. . I'll bet those gates saw more pax in the last 3 months than they did all of last year.

With PVDs sudden little growth spurt of the past year how will the addition of the ulcc’s effect the yeilds?
PVD-MCO 1/8/18
F9 $34
WN $109
B6 $89
Will other airlines cut prices to compete or pull flights altogether?