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VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:52 pm

The latest timetable update shows that Virgin Atlantic will use the B744 on the VS127/128 flight from Manchester next summer.

The flight will operate on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun from 22nd May, presumably all summer but currently VS only taking bookings on any flight until August.

The A333 will operate on Mon/Thu/Sat.

It also means MAN increases to 6 based aircraft from this date, with 3xB744 and 3xA333.

All confirmed and bookable.
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:53 pm

User001 wrote:
The latest timetable update shows that Virgin Atlantic will use the B744 on the VS127/128 flight from Manchester next summer.

The flight will operate on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun from 22nd May, presumably all summer but currently VS only taking bookings on any flight until August.

The A333 will operate on Mon/Thu/Sat.

It also means MAN increases to 6 based aircraft from this date, with 3xB744 and 3xA333.

All confirmed and bookable.


Wow, that's quite an upgauge in number of seats. Is this really due to utilisation of MAN based aircraft, or is it more that the demand requires it? DL used to use a B757 on the route and now VS are using a B747!
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:57 pm

It may be that MAN is getting a new route on the A330.

The A330 does the route 3 weekly, and the B744 4 weekly.

One to watch.
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:20 pm

So, 6 based aircraft. Where will these be flying to on what days?

2 x daily 747 to MCO?
1 x 747 to JFK (4 x weekly), BGI (1 x weekly?) and LAS (2 x weekly?)

1 x daily 330 to ATL
1 x 330 to JFK (3 x weekly), BOS (2 x weekly?) and SFO (2 x weekly?)
Leaving 1 x spare A330 - where to?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:27 pm

It should be:

1xB744 MCO daily
1xB744 to LAS and MCO
1xB744 to JFK 4 weekly
1xA330 to ATL daily
1xA330 to JFK 3 weekly (scope for a new 4 weekly flight)
1xA330 to BGI 2 weekly, BOS 2 weekly and SFO 3 weekly.
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:33 pm

User001 wrote:
It should be:

1xB744 MCO daily
1xB744 to LAS and MCO
1xB744 to JFK 4 weekly
1xA330 to ATL daily
1xA330 to JFK 3 weekly (scope for a new 4 weekly flight)
1xA330 to BGI 2 weekly, BOS 2 weekly and SFO 3 weekly.


How many times a week does the B747 operate to LAS and the 2nd MCO flight?

And what does the 3rd B747 do for the 3 days it doesn't operate to JFK?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:38 pm

The 3rd B747 may position out to operate either GLA or BFS, or could stay on the ground as a back up, a bit like the A346 used to do on the LAS flights.

MCO operates up to 12 weekly depending on what week you search, and LAS 2 weekly.
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:40 pm

So are we thinking a new route? What about CUN? Been rumoured for a while...
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:48 pm

User001 wrote:
The 3rd B747 may position out to operate either GLA or BFS, or could stay on the ground as a back up, a bit like the A346 used to do on the LAS flights.

MCO operates up to 12 weekly depending on what week you search, and LAS 2 weekly.


Thanks

Yes, I think CUN would work well - as would ANU, MBJ or UVF? Although with the recent storm, demand to the Caribbean might decrease. Perhaps LAX, CPT or PVG?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:57 pm

Going East would be interesting, although with them cutting a lot of former routes and concentrating on TATL it does seem unlikely, but would love to see it happen! As a (very) out the box idea, dont Jet and Virgin have a simple codeshare and /or mileage programme agreement? What about a MAN-India route? Cant see it personally.

I think CUN would be a front runner, or as 8herveg states, some Caribbean destinations.
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:02 pm

Delhi has been a rumoured possibility in the new tie up with Jet Airways. Jet would operate BOM while VS could do DEL.

As said, that is purely rumour though (and I know how much MAN based rumours seem to piss off a lot of people on here of late so I'll keep the rumours brief).
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:04 pm

Could it also be freeing up the 330 that is going to be doing the 6th JFK-LHR flight next year?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:16 pm

It's unlikely to be freeing up for LHR as we still have said A330 operating 3 flights while the new 6th daily LHR-JFK is, well, daily.
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:43 pm

Good for VS/Delta-adding seats to the market, after AA left. DL will also be using an A330-200 on JFK-ZRH, another market AA is leaving.
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:01 pm

Be interesting to see MT's next move. There we rumours of a second daily JFK flight from MAN, maybe this is a preemptive strike from DL/VS to stop someone else adding capacity.
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:14 pm

Well, with AA pulling of MAN-JFK 2018 looked to be down.

However, with this move, MAN-JFK will now be a minimum of 149 seats up per week, which is great.

As you say, what will MT's next move, as VS/MT do seem to be going toe to toe, and will VS keep the A330 at MAN this 4 days for a new route?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:43 pm

Actually looking at timetable it does look like an A330 being shipped out.

JFK will see B744 on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun, A330 on Mon/Thu/Sat
ATL will see the exact opposite, so B744 on Mon/Thu/Sat and A330 on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:30 pm

There were at one point discussions about more from GLA but stalled after the LAS trial. CUN, BGI, JFK, SFO or extra MCO might be worth trying.
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:03 pm

User001 wrote:
Actually looking at timetable it does look like an A330 being shipped out.

JFK will see B744 on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun, A330 on Mon/Thu/Sat
ATL will see the exact opposite, so B744 on Mon/Thu/Sat and A330 on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun


ATL now seeing the B747?! Again, where is this demand coming from or is it just utilising the aircraft?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:15 pm

8herveg wrote:
User001 wrote:
Actually looking at timetable it does look like an A330 being shipped out.

JFK will see B744 on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun, A330 on Mon/Thu/Sat
ATL will see the exact opposite, so B744 on Mon/Thu/Sat and A330 on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun


ATL now seeing the B747?! Again, where is this demand coming from or is it just utilising the aircraft?
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:23 pm

The O&D side of MAN-ATL is indeed slim, but it's a route that has been served continuously for about 25 years now by one carrier/JV airline. One of MAN's oldest TATL routes now (ORD is the other with AA).
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:34 pm

by738 wrote:
There were at one point discussions about more from GLA but stalled after the LAS trial. CUN, BGI, JFK, SFO or extra MCO might be worth trying.


And with a GLA A380 compliance works and EK A380 service from spring 18 announcement apparently imminent, there's now no excuse for old SRB to not finally get those big boys in the fleet. (Yes I'm being facecious) ;-)
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:40 am

User001 wrote:
Actually looking at timetable it does look like an A330 being shipped out.

JFK will see B744 on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun, A330 on Mon/Thu/Sat
ATL will see the exact opposite, so B744 on Mon/Thu/Sat and A330 on Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun


So there is actually going to be 3 x B747 and 2 x A330 based at MAN next year? Also, given BOS, LAS and SFO are only seasonal, what happens to the aircraft when they're not being used from MAN?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:12 am

So with only 5 left at LGW then it seems to me the 744 leisure fleet will really be stretched next summer...or are they bringing one back from storage ?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:44 am

I think it's cover for the A333 refurbishment which is overrunning.

Makes it difficult to tell if VS are adding capacity because it is warranted, or simply covering a gap with what they have.

Obviously they have a long term aspiration to grow their business and route portfolio at MAN, and I doubt that has diminished.
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:37 pm

User001 wrote:
The 3rd B747 may position out to operate either GLA or BFS, or could stay on the ground as a back up, a bit like the A346 used to do on the LAS flights.

MCO operates up to 12 weekly depending on what week you search, and LAS 2 weekly.


According to the VS schedule on their website, MCO will operate 13 weekly (no flight on Thursday) when VS will operate one of their 2 x weekly flights to LAS - so which B747 will operate the LAS flight on Sunday?
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:21 pm

The 2nd MAN - MCO doesn't operate on a Sunday either next summer as well as not on a Thursday.
 
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Re: VS to use the B747 to JFK in S18

Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:05 pm

Much of the problem caused with our A330 fleet is the fact they can't rotate them easily out of LGW. Whereas at LHR it's very simple to swap them in ATL/JFK as the timings and schedule match. Whereas at LGW the only way to move them out is to position them.

As for the 744 on ATL/JFK it's more of a utilisation to cover short comings in the A330 refit program and with such a small fleet it's difficult to pull one out for several weeks to be refitted.

The 744 fleet isn't utilised fully like it once was, with some points there has been 2/3 across the fleet sitting idle at LGW/MAN. Even to a point of covering a few LHR flights this year too across the summer.

The only problem I see with the MAN-SFO flight, and where I think they miss a trick, is that due to our 330's having no crew rest areas, they have to give up 5 Upper seats, which takes a huge hit on the revenue.

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