Newbiepilot wrote:BREECH wrote:Boeing has an (come on, honestly!) vintage machine that even their sales people struggle to sell.
And that's the reason why 797 will never exist. The program is postponed for the press and the people to forget about it. I think it is already cancelled by the Boeing Board. They realized that they'll have to stick with the 737 (as well as losses from it) for the foreseeable future. I don't envy Boeing. They ran into a wall they never knew existed. Or could exist. And they don't have experience in jumping over it. Nobody does, actually. There has never been a time in history when airlines didn't need a newer type. But here we are, they don't. They want improvements of the existing types, and Boeing REALLY wringed 737 with MAX. I strongly believe they are now thinking about MAX NG, and what looked like a disaster (re-landing-gearing the 737) may actually be their only option. Very costly, very uncertain, but the only one they have.
Only on A.net is an airplane with 4500 orders and 43% market share vs its prime competitor seen as struggling to sell. Other than you not liking Boeing, how do you explain all the airlines quoted in news articles saying they are interested in the NMA? This is a big thread so I will forgive you for not reading post 1393.
BREECH seems to have a grievance with Boeing. I'm a Boeing fan (not as much as I was) but don't have any grievance for Airbus (neither for the A380, despite being a critic). The 737, for what it is, is selling well despite being outsold by the A320. And the fact that the 797/NMA has so much interest (including from Thomas Cook), shows that Boeing can still have a airplane in the middle of the market segment.
Newbiepilot wrote:I fully expect technology to be reused across Boeing. They are talking about reusing 787 technology into the 777x, and then NMA. I expect that would find its way towards all future derivatives.
What Keesje is doing recurringly is turning the NMA discussion towards how great the A321 is (which while they are competitors, aren’t direct competitors) and then turning the discussion towards the 737 being insufficient and needing replacement despite the MAX approaching 5,000 orders.
Exactly. Boeing is likely to use the technology across the entire family, reducing the costs of development of the airplane and bringing commonality across the entire aircraft family. Therefore, any 787 technology which is used on a NMA will likely also be used on a future NSA.
And, about Kessje, I've said on another thread (here: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1391201&p=20327321#p20327321) that the fact that the A321neoLR does 90% of the 757 missions does not guarantee a priori that the A321neoLR will do 90% of the missions of the Boeing 797/NMA. They'll be completely different airplanes.