Air Canada 737 MAX to Heathrow

CarbonFibre · Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:52 am

Due to replace the A319s on the St John's route next May.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... -may-2018/

TRFLYER · Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:11 am

Would have to assume this is first MAX at LHR but this is good news for YYT and an increase in capacity for the route.

CarbonFibre · Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:28 am

TRFLYER wrote:
Would have to assume this is first MAX at LHR.

I think so. Unless LOT get theirs first?

AC_B777 · Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:26 am

We have heard many rumors at work from various sources including many AC pilots that as we receive the bulk of the MAX fleet and once the airport terminal expansion is completed, that YYT will be a base for MAX operations.
We have heard of possible destinations including LIS, BCN/MAD, DUB, routes to Florida and the Caribbean. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but the MAX seems like a good choice for TATL expansion from smaller bases.
In the the meantime, I'm glad to see that the 8MAX will be flying the YYT-LHR route next year.

thesaladdays · Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:26 am

CarbonFibre wrote:
TRFLYER wrote:
Would have to assume this is first MAX at LHR.

I think so. Unless LOT get theirs first?

LOT expect MAX deliveries starting in November this year and it's a fair bet they'll be regulars at LHR.

incitatus · Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:46 pm

Air Canada is sitting across the border from a very wealthy country. Eastern Canada is right on the way to Europe. Huge opportunity! Surprising it has taken them so many decades to realize that.

OA940 · Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:56 pm

Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

Whiteguy · Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:39 pm

AC_B777 wrote:
We have heard many rumors at work from various sources including many AC pilots that as we receive the bulk of the MAX fleet and once the airport terminal expansion is completed, that YYT will be a base for MAX operations.
We have heard of possible destinations including LIS, BCN/MAD, DUB, routes to Florida and the Caribbean. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but the MAX seems like a good choice for TATL expansion from smaller bases.
In the the meantime, I'm glad to see that the 8MAX will be flying the YYT-LHR route next year.

I've heard that YYC will have a large MAX presence as well....

Dominion301 · Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:48 pm

Going from the 319 to 7M8 is a good +20% boost in capacity to YYT-LHR. It's interesting to see how everything AC has announced on the 7M8 thus far is transatlantic.

I sure hope this continues, especially at secondary cities. YOW-CDG/GLA/DUB, at least on a summer-seasonal basis, all seem like no-brainers on this appropriately sized aircraft for the marketplace.

briguychau · Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:49 pm

AFAIK only 2 of the A319 fleet is ETOPS-certified and have the ability to serve Europe. GIven that AC is launching a bunch of Europe routes with the MAX, will all of the 737 MAX 8s be ETOPS-certified and equipped for Europe, or will there only be a subfleet that's capable?

b747400erf · Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:53 pm

OA940 wrote:
Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

Not a lot of A319s at LHR in your opinion?

MrHMSH · Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:53 pm

OA940 wrote:
Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

AC's A319s are a cute novelty at Heathrow, but I don't think they're that out of place, not with the ridiculous number of A32Xs at LHR!

I'm looking forward to seeing it there, and to more new routes opened by the 737MAX and A321neo in the future.

Andy33 · Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:08 pm

OA940 wrote:
Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

Don't really understand this at all. 737s of any variety are very much less common at LHR than A320 series aircraft. AC's A319 meets its fellow A319s in the Lufthansa Group fleets at LHR T2 every day, and shares runway and taxiway space with the 32 A319s BA bases at LHR. Then there's bigger sisters A320 and A321,,,

Kikko19 · Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:24 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
AC_B777 wrote:
We have heard many rumors at work from various sources including many AC pilots that as we receive the bulk of the MAX fleet and once the airport terminal expansion is completed, that YYT will be a base for MAX operations.
We have heard of possible destinations including LIS, BCN/MAD, DUB, routes to Florida and the Caribbean. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but the MAX seems like a good choice for TATL expansion from smaller bases.
In the the meantime, I'm glad to see that the 8MAX will be flying the YYT-LHR route next year.

I've heard that YYC will have a large MAX presence as well....

can they make it so far? Same range as A 321LR?

fraspotter · Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:31 pm

OA940 wrote:
Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

Makes no sense. If you're implying an A319 looks out of place at LHR then you must not realize the number of A32X family aircraft that fly there every single day. If you're referring to an A319 in AIR CANADA colors being out of place then you may have a point however seeing a 737 series aircraft in Air Canada colors at LHR won't look any less out of place.

Galwayman · Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:31 pm

AC is the cleverest North American airline - strategically theyre miles Ahead of all the others , the 737 max strategy to SNN, DUB ,LHR is really impressive , hope it succeeds

kjeld0d · Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:41 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
AC_B777 wrote:
We have heard many rumors at work from various sources including many AC pilots that as we receive the bulk of the MAX fleet and once the airport terminal expansion is completed, that YYT will be a base for MAX operations.
We have heard of possible destinations including LIS, BCN/MAD, DUB, routes to Florida and the Caribbean. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but the MAX seems like a good choice for TATL expansion from smaller bases.
In the the meantime, I'm glad to see that the 8MAX will be flying the YYT-LHR route next year.

I've heard that YYC will have a large MAX presence as well....
can they make it so far? Same range as A 321LR?

I doubt he was implying that the max's would fly yyc-europe...................

skipness1E · Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:57 pm

The Air Canada A319 is out of place in that it is the only A319 on the north atlantic out of LHR. The LHR FB group got almost weekly “Why is there an Air Canada A319 in?”

Whiteguy · Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:07 pm

kjeld0d wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:

I've heard that YYC will have a large MAX presence as well....
can they make it so far? Same range as A 321LR?

I doubt he was implying that the max's would fly yyc-europe...................

Correct, I was talking about YYC being a focus base for the MAX. Rumor is the MAX will take over the OGG route from Rouge. Same as WS using them on the Alberta to Hawaii routes.

OA940 · Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:20 pm

b747400erf wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

Not a lot of A319s at LHR in your opinion?

MrHMSH wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

AC's A319s are a cute novelty at Heathrow, but I don't think they're that out of place, not with the ridiculous number of A32Xs at LHR!

I'm looking forward to seeing it there, and to more new routes opened by the 737MAX and A321neo in the future.

Andy33 wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

Don't really understand this at all. 737s of any variety are very much less common at LHR than A320 series aircraft. AC's A319 meets its fellow A319s in the Lufthansa Group fleets at LHR T2 every day, and shares runway and taxiway space with the 32 A319s BA bases at LHR. Then there's bigger sisters A320 and A321,,,

fraspotter wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Well, this is good news. Now the out-of-place looking plane won't be so out-of-place.

Makes no sense. If you're implying an A319 looks out of place at LHR then you must not realize the number of A32X family aircraft that fly there every single day. If you're referring to an A319 in AIR CANADA colors being out of place then you may have a point however seeing a 737 series aircraft in Air Canada colors at LHR won't look any less out of place.

Yeah, I kind of meant AC's A319's. And I meant that the 737 MAX is crossing the pond quite a bit (or at least scheduled to), so seeing an American 737 MAX in LHR is more logical than seeing an American A319 in LHR or a European one in America. Yeah my sleep-deprived sentence forming isn't the best. My bad.

cumulushumilis · Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:39 pm

Galwayman wrote:
AC is the cleverest North American airline - strategically theyre miles Ahead of all the others , the 737 max strategy to SNN, DUB ,LHR is really impressive , hope it succeeds

Yep! Clever in that they have keep up with their competitor who has been flying the 737-700 across the pond for a few years now.

LAXLHR · Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:33 pm

incitatus wrote:
Air Canada is sitting across the border from a very wealthy country. Eastern Canada is right on the way to Europe. Huge opportunity! Surprising it has taken them so many decades to realize that.

Yeah. DY woke them up with their MAX plans.

leyland1989 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:51 am

YYT-LHR is flown by 767 in late October, early farewell to the ETOPS A319 or just availability issues (major checks?)?

Bhoy · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:27 am

OA940 wrote:
Yeah, I kind of meant AC's A319's. And I meant that the 737 MAX is crossing the pond quite a bit (or at least scheduled to), so seeing an American 737 MAX in LHR is more logical than seeing an American A319 in LHR or a European one in America. Yeah my sleep-deprived sentence forming isn't the best. My bad.

Except that this will be the only TATL Max at Heathrow, for all that there are a few other TATL Max routes ex-UK regionals.

The Air France A320 coming to ATL at the end of next month will make a change, though.

LAX772LR · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:49 am

Galwayman wrote:
AC is the cleverest North American airline - strategically theyre miles Ahead of all the others

in what specific way exactly?

ghYHZ · Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:13 am

leyland1989 wrote:
YYT-LHR is flown by 767 in late October..........

This is the usual nonstop YHZ (Halifax) – Heathrow service setting-down at YYT twice a week for this winter until the MAX comes on line next May

longhauler · Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:46 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
I've heard that YYC will have a large MAX presence as well....

No more so than the A320 series aircraft. Domestically, the MAX will be flying along with the A320 series on trans-con flights, when the MAX fleet expands .... but initially will be centred around eastern Canada and the North Atlantic.

While longer term, the MAX may fly to Hawaii out of YYC/YEG, presently the seat mile costs of the 280 seat rouge 767 are hard to beat, and the load factors are impressive.

Whiteguy · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:57 pm

longhauler wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
I've heard that YYC will have a large MAX presence as well....

No more so than the A320 series aircraft. Domestically, the MAX will be flying along with the A320 series on trans-con flights, when the MAX fleet expands .... but initially will be centred around eastern Canada and the North Atlantic.

While longer term, the MAX may fly to Hawaii out of YYC/YEG, presently the seat mile costs of the 280 seat rouge 767 are hard to beat, and the load factors are impressive.

Yeah, have heard the Hawaii rumor as well. Rouge is just starting this winter 3x a week, sad to lose mainline service!

gregn21 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:34 pm

Waste of LHR slots in my opinion. . .

john7165 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:37 pm

gregn21 wrote:
Waste of LHR slots in my opinion. . .

Thinking the same thing.

448205 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:46 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
AC is the cleverest North American airline - strategically theyre miles Ahead of all the others

in what specific way exactly?

They certainly aren't the most profitable..

767333ER · Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:02 pm

longhauler wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
I've heard that YYC will have a large MAX presence as well....

No more so than the A320 series aircraft. Domestically, the MAX will be flying along with the A320 series on trans-con flights, when the MAX fleet expands .... but initially will be centred around eastern Canada and the North Atlantic.

While longer term, the MAX may fly to Hawaii out of YYC/YEG, presently the seat mile costs of the 280 seat rouge 767 are hard to beat, and the load factors are impressive.

I take a guess and say more likely a large CS300 presence considering how many E190s we had before there weren’t enough left. If the load factors for Hawaii are good enough to fill the Rouge 767, the 737 would have to be used at non-peak times of the year or they would need 2 flights or more times a week. At any rate, if I am ever looking to fly to Hawaii and they offer 737s, I will find another way there that does not involve that many hours in the old subway tunnel such as going though YVR.

leyland1989 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:30 pm

gregn21 wrote:
Waste of LHR slots in my opinion. . .

I would disagree,
This flight is to complement YHZ-LHR to serve the Atlantic Canada (as well as St. John itself of course) so people don't need to fly "the wrong way" before crossing the pond.

I have taken both YHZ-LHR and LHR-YYT in the summer, the load was quite good meaning there are demand for these flights.

Why don't we just make a stop at YYT and save a slot at LHR as you say?
As someone mentioned about, they do it twice a week in the winter while the demand is low. However, during summer months, there are just not enough seats for such flight and stopping one of the major transatlantic flights from/to the major east coast cities just doesn't make any sense at all, there are not enough seat and it's a highly competitive market with high premium demand. If you ask AC888/889 to make a stop at YYT, a lot of government officials are not going to be happy.

VC10er · Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:43 pm

What is the premium cabin like on the AC 737 MAX on these European routes?

Dominion301 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:04 pm

VC10er wrote:
What is the premium cabin like on the AC 737 MAX on these European routes?

It'll be the regular domestic J seat, just like the A319 pond hoppers have been for years.

Whiteguy · Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:43 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
AC is the cleverest North American airline - strategically theyre miles Ahead of all the others

in what specific way exactly?

They certainly aren't the most profitable..

Compared to who?? AC is doing quite well that last few years,

robsaw · Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:38 pm

Whiteguy wrote:

Compared to who?? AC is doing quite well that last few years,

... last few <months>.

Took them several years to get to turning more than a quarter or two of consecutive profits. So, yes, the strategy appears to be working (Rouge, fleet upgrades, new routes, re-jigged fares).

LAX772LR · Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:20 am

john7165 wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Waste of LHR slots in my opinion. . .

Thinking the same thing.

Based on what:
The ridiculous notion that LHR slots "deserve" a set type of aircraft or arbitrary pax count?

Or the even more ludicrous notion that a bunch of amateurs know how to do a cost-benefit analysis better than the multi-billion dollar company who's handling the multi-million dollar assets in question?

.....or is there another reason?

Themotionman · Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:30 pm

Could a 737MAX do YHZ-LHR?

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