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Confirmed: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:40 am

Per media report, EgyptAir board has agreed to purchase six Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners along with an unspecified amount of A320NEOs.

The announcement could come as soon as this week per reports.


http://www.postandcourier.com/business/ ... 5cbc8.html

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Boeing seems to be on quite a 787 sales roll if this comes to fruition
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:52 am

A320neo? That makes zero sense. They are in the process of retiring the A320s they have now and are still getting brand new 738s.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:13 am

ikolkyo wrote:
A320neo? That makes zero sense. They are in the process of retiring the A320s they have now and are still getting brand new 738s.


Airlines with 737s aren't obliged to buy the MAX, airlines will switch from one to the other, or buy both if it suits them. Maybe they want to launch a few longer routes with A321neos? Africa is a very large continent and the extra range would open up some new routes.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:19 am

MrHMSH wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
A320neo? That makes zero sense. They are in the process of retiring the A320s they have now and are still getting brand new 738s.


Airlines with 737s aren't obliged to buy the MAX, airlines will switch from one to the other, or buy both if it suits them. Maybe they want to launch a few longer routes with A321neos? Africa is a very large continent and the extra range would open up some new routes.


Never said they were obliged to buy the MAX, just thinking that with the retirement of A320s and 737NGs still on order it would seem logical to go after the MAX. I guess we shall wait and see how things shake out.


On the 787-9 though I think this is a perfect aircraft for them, Not too much capacity but it has plenty of range to reach some destinations that don't warrant the capacity of the 77W.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:38 am

It's all politics; this decision will not have been made by Egyptair. They would have had an input to the extent of stating that they like the 789 and that being the case, politics dictates that the airline takes Airbuses as well. It could just as easily have been A350s and 737-Maxes.

I agree that the 737 Max would make more sense for MS (and that the 789 is a perfect machine for them); they have a very new 737 fleet, with one in the final stages of pre-delivery preparation.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:54 am

It should be noted that all of EgyptAir’s 77Ws are leaded. Are these replacements? 346 seats seems overkill.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:07 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
It should be noted that all of EgyptAir’s 77Ws are leaded. Are these replacements? 346 seats seems overkill.


Really? I'd assumed they were aluminum. How do they ever get off the ground?!?
 
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AA737-823 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
It should be noted that all of EgyptAir’s 77Ws are leaded. Are these replacements? 346 seats seems overkill.


Really? I'd assumed they were aluminum. How do they ever get off the ground?!?


It has to do with all the hot air involved.... Do not underestimate the effects once politicians and other wealthy people start to talk...

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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:22 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
It should be noted that all of EgyptAir’s 77Ws are leaded. Are these replacements? 346 seats seems overkill.


Really? I'd assumed they were aluminum. How do they ever get off the ground?!?


I think you will find he meant to say leased not leaded
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:52 pm

qf789 wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
It should be noted that all of EgyptAir’s 77Ws are leaded. Are these replacements? 346 seats seems overkill.


Really? I'd assumed they were aluminum. How do they ever get off the ground?!?


I think you will find he meant to say leased not leaded


I’m pretty confident he’s just joking, he’s a mechanic for crying outloud.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:08 pm

qf789 wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
It should be noted that all of EgyptAir’s 77Ws are leaded. Are these replacements? 346 seats seems overkill.


Really? I'd assumed they were aluminum. How do they ever get off the ground?!?


I think you will find he meant to say leased not leaded


I did mean leased...all 7 are owned by GECAS. These planes are 2-class planes, although on these B789s, I would do it 3-class introducing premium economy, (pitch and width) with J (60/76" and 20"), W (38-39" and 19") and Y (33" and 17"). The current 77Ws are J49Y297...something like J36W21Y210 on the Dreamliners would make way more sense.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:49 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Boeing seems to be on quite a 787 sales roll if this comes to fruition


And the reason for the production hike is becoming clearer and clearer.


aemoreira1981 wrote:
I did mean leased...all 7 are owned by GECAS.


Any idea of Egypt Air leasing the 787s through GECAS, as well?
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:06 pm

IMO MS doesn't need the A320neo for any route as their current and newly ordered B738s can easily satisfy that demand segment.

What it needs to order are A321Neos and specifically at least 5-6 A321NEOLRs in order to expand in a low risk manner to cities 6-7.5 hours south of CAI operated nonstop + enable it to fly to BOM/DEL nonstop with a decent payload of pax on board.

Getting the B789 is v good and should be used to initially replace the B77W on SE Asian routes and YYZ to save on operational costs. Hopefully when they configure the B789 it would have a new J class cabin as I've flown their J class twice already this summer KWI CAI YYZ and it is very average (full flat bed seat though).

Also with the B789 they should seriously consider launching 3 weekly IAD CAI nonstop as they will get good yielding traffic to Africa and KSA via CAI.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:36 pm

behramjee wrote:
IMO MS doesn't need the A320neo for any route as their current and newly ordered B738s can easily satisfy that demand segment.

What it needs to order are A321Neos and specifically at least 5-6 A321NEOLRs in order to expand in a low risk manner to cities 6-7.5 hours south of CAI operated nonstop + enable it to fly to BOM/DEL nonstop with a decent payload of pax on board.

Getting the B789 is v good and should be used to initially replace the B77W on SE Asian routes and YYZ to save on operational costs. Hopefully when they configure the B789 it would have a new J class cabin as I've flown their J class twice already this summer KWI CAI YYZ and it is very average (full flat bed seat though).

Also with the B789 they should seriously consider launching 3 weekly IAD CAI nonstop as they will get good yielding traffic to Africa and KSA via CAI.


Other than to JFK and perhaps PEK and NRT, what other routes would the B77W be left on? Might as well go full-on and replace all the B77Ws.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:10 pm

Isn't the 787-9 a A330-200 replacement? Egyptair has seven A330-200s in its fleet, one of them is being converted to a freighter at the moment and a second one will follow.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:18 pm

Egyptair send their B77W into Heathrow on MSR777.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:15 pm

EgyptAir Holding chairman Safwat Musallam confirms. Says order represents a large portion of previously planned modernization that calls for 33 planes through 2021.
Says company now working on financing methods of the deal.


Egypt Air uses Boeing Dreamliner and Airbus A320neo
https://dailynewsegypt.com/2017/10/01/e ... s-a320neo/

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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:50 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:

Really? I'd assumed they were aluminum. How do they ever get off the ground?!?


I think you will find he meant to say leased not leaded


I did mean leased...all 7 are owned by GECAS. These planes are 2-class planes, although on these B789s, I would do it 3-class introducing premium economy, (pitch and width) with J (60/76" and 20"), W (38-39" and 19") and Y (33" and 17"). The current 77Ws are J49Y297...something like J36W21Y210 on the Dreamliners would make way more sense.


Hah! Thanks for your clarification - as an enthusiast not working in the airline industry, I was scratching my head trying to understand what "leaded" could mean in airline-speak. Funny how one letter can change everything!

BTW, your posts are always informative - leaded notwithstanding - I enjoy reading them, thank you.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:23 am

LAXintl wrote:
EgyptAir Holding chairman Safwat Musallam confirms. Says order represents a large portion of previously planned modernization that calls for 33 planes through 2021.
Says company now working on financing methods of the deal.


Egypt Air uses Boeing Dreamliner and Airbus A320neo
https://dailynewsegypt.com/2017/10/01/e ... s-a320neo/

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This article link you have posted says 9 B787s and not 6.

MS uses B77Ws to KWI JED DXB and DOH too (before ban).

I would do this:

Place a larger B787 order with Boeing to include the B781 along side the B789 so that it can replace both the A333 and B77Ws down the road. I would use the B781 on high demand regional, LHR and JFK flights.

The B789 I would use to boost long haul growth and also to replace the B77W on Asia YYZ services. So in this manner my WB fleet revolves solely around the B787 family which in the long run results in mega cost savings.

The NB fleet I would have two types ie both A321neo and B738 as they each cater to different types of market demand segments. A320neo is not required.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:12 am

Really dislike the 787. Would have hoped that MS would go for the A350 instead.
MS currently deploys the 77W to JFK, YYZ, LHR, DXB, CAN plus rotations to JED, RUH, DMM and KWI. MS is restarting a weekly CAI-NRT flight on the 77W as well.
So they need a 77W type aircraft on a bunch of routes either for capacity (Jeddah), range (New York) or cargo (Guangzhou). The 787 might be used to open up places like ORD, IAD, YUL, PVG but for a very long time MS has done very little actual expansion beyond secondary Saudi markets; MAN, and a few African cities.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:23 am

directorguy wrote:
Really dislike the 787. Would have hoped that MS would go for the A350 instead.
MS currently deploys the 77W to JFK, YYZ, LHR, DXB, CAN plus rotations to JED, RUH, DMM and KWI. MS is restarting a weekly CAI-NRT flight on the 77W as well.
So they need a 77W type aircraft on a bunch of routes either for capacity (Jeddah), range (New York) or cargo (Guangzhou). The 787 might be used to open up places like ORD, IAD, YUL, PVG but for a very long time MS has done very little actual expansion beyond secondary Saudi markets; MAN, and a few African cities.


Their expansion over the past 3-4 years has been very limited especially for long haul due to the ongoing political uncertainty in Egypt combined with the law & order situation. Their B77W have way too many J class seats i.e. 49J.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:32 pm

And official.

6 787-9 leased from AerCap
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 56370.html

15 A320neo from AerCap - deliveries starting 2020.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2 ... -15-Airbus

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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:33 pm

LAXintl wrote:
And official.

6 787-9 leased from AerCap
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 56370.html

15 A320neo from AerCap - deliveries starting 2020.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2 ... -15-Airbus

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Any idea when they'll start taking the 789s? I didn't see it mentioned in the article.
 
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Re: Rumor: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:35 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
Any idea when they'll start taking the 789s? I didn't see it mentioned in the article.


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Re: Confirmed: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:38 pm

I find Egypt Air's narrowbody fleet planning bizarre. 737NGs, then A320s, then back to 737NGs (still being delivered), now A320neos.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:50 pm

AerCap press release says delivery in 2019. Based on wording sounds like all 6 will arrive that year.

http://www.aercap.com/newsroom/press-re ... 9-aircraft
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Re: Confirmed: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:54 pm

This on top of the Cseries order?
 
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:55 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
I find Egypt Air's narrowbody fleet planning bizarre. 737NGs, then A320s, then back to 737NGs (still being delivered), now A320neos.


Could be just optimizing the fleet based on mission profile (737 for short flights and A320 for longer sectors).
 
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:25 pm

Stitch wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
I find Egypt Air's narrowbody fleet planning bizarre. 737NGs, then A320s, then back to 737NGs (still being delivered), now A320neos.


Could be just optimizing the fleet based on mission profile (737 for short flights and A320 for longer sectors).

I suspect it mostly comes down to politics and trying to keep everyone (EU and US) happy.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:30 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Per media report, EgyptAir board has agreed to purchase six Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners along with an unspecified amount of A320NEOs.

The announcement could come as soon as this week per reports.


http://www.postandcourier.com/business/ ... 5cbc8.html

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Boeing seems to be on quite a 787 sales roll if this comes to fruition



Don't forget 12 purchased and 12 purchase rights for the BBD CS300 series. Will we see the a phase out of the MS Express E170 and MS mainline E170 fleets.
 
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:31 pm

Samrnpage wrote:
This on top of the Cseries order?


This seems to be for Egypt Air. CSeries have been ordered for EgyptAir Express (subsidiary)
 
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Re: Confirmed: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:08 pm

Hi guys

With this expansion do you guys thinkmthe Manchester route will be restarted?

Thanks
 
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Re: Confirmed: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:32 pm

The Egyptair Livery will look great on a 789 :)
 
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royroy wrote:
Hi guys

With this expansion do you guys thinkmthe Manchester route will be restarted?

Thanks


There is a rumour doing the rounds, amongst the Luxor hoteliers, that MS will be returning to Manchester, next autumn, with an MAN - LXR routing.

They tried this, approximately 16 years ago, but couldn't compete for the tourist traffic with the charter airlines.

One can only hope that they do come back, even if I've just booked MAN - MUC -CAI - LXR again.

AirbusMDCFAN wrote:
Don't forget 12 purchased and 12 purchase rights for the BBD CS300 series. Will we see the a phase out of the MS Express E170 and MS mainline E170 fleets.


Here's a link to the announcement in the local, semi-official, Al Ahram, confirming the order:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/281489/Business/Economy/Updated-Bombardier-wins-up-to--bn-CSeries-orders-f.aspx

BTW. Only MS Express operates E170s at present, only 12, at that, so perhaps they'll be adding additional Express routes?
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Re: Confirmed: Egypt Air to order 787-9 + A320NEO

Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:02 am

Here's the link to the announcement of all the orders, though with no breakdown, in the local press:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/281582/Business/Economy/EgyptAir-signs-agreements-to-purchase--new-planes-.aspx

Interestingly, the one new order they do specifically mention is that for up to 24 Bombardier C Series aircraft.

Other than that there's just a mention that the last of the 9 x 737-800 NG aircraft they ordered is scheduled for delivery next month.
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:26 am

GlenP wrote:

There is a rumour doing the rounds, amongst the Luxor hoteliers, that MS will be returning to Manchester, next autumn, with an MAN - LXR routing.

They tried this, approximately 16 years ago, but couldn't compete for the tourist traffic with the charter airlines.

One can only hope that they do come back, even if I've just booked MAN - MUC -CAI - LXR again.



thanks Glen

no chance of CAI returning? by all accounts it was pretty successful
 
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:20 pm

Got to agree, regarding the MAN - CAI service. Flew it a few times and both Y and J appeared to be pretty full, but there seemed to be issues with confirming the dates for the service. Initially it was year round, but then went to summer months only, which is, somewhat surprisingly, high season for Cairo; unlike the Upper Egyptian destinations where winter is the traditional high season.

It was actually a pretty good service you got, and a decent way to build up your MSPlus miles, towards Star Gold status.

Combining LH and MS, via MUC isn't that bad, for a multi-leg flight, but the return to the UK can be over 24 hours from a Luxor hotel to getting in the door at home, and I always book a room at the Munich Airport Hilton (walk out of MUC T2, turn right, through a couple of sets of door and up a lift, gets you there) on the outbound trip, just to avoid any missed flights, due to delays at MAN.

TBH, I'd seriously contemplate spending another night in MUC, if it was practical to do so, and arrive back in the UK a day later.
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