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AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:33 am

It seems that management has decided to concentrate specific wide-body fleets to specific bases/hubs to ease scheduling of equipment and crews that mainly fly the international system. In the future PHL and MIA will be large 767 bases; JFK, MIA and DFW for the 777; LAX, ORD and DFW for the 787; and finally CLT and MIA for the A330. Not enormously different from current operations but still an indicator of future flying from the aforementioned airports. I think its a good idea but wonder if anyone sees a downside to the new strategy. Personally I see a major expansion of European flying from PHL and South American flying from MIA (destinations and frequency), capacity increase and new destinations at DFW, JFK offering more 777 flying (although less destinations from NY), and Status quo from ORD and CLT. LAX will probably go all 787 to points south and east for the near future. At a minimum it will put the most efficient airplane on the longer routes while keeping the larger of the fleet on shorter heavier routes. The 77E will now carry 289 pax with more seats added to coach. I don't know how long this all will take but to their credit the new leadership doesn't waist anytime in executing their decisions. Thoughts anyone?
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:00 am

Doesn't LAX see the 77W to HKG & LHR. And the 772 flies LAX-HND & LAX-GRU. Will all of those 777s become 787s now and if so when?
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:15 am

I think it has to do with maintenance bases for the most part. Each of those airports have large MX operations for AA. The only real change is the 767 at PHL. AA is shifting assets and technology there to grow flights on the remaining 767's in the fleet, similar to what UA did with the 747 at SFO in 2013-14 to improve the jet's dispatch rate and concentrate maintenance there. Having converted the entire 772 fleet to two class planes from three by eliminating First, the plane can fly more missions competitively than it could with 2 premium cabins in the past. Accordingly, it can be deployed in markets where AA has relied on the 767 more in the past to fly similar routes.
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:27 am

LAX-GRU will become 789 by month end. I guess LAX-HND also will...
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:52 am

The 77Es are receiving premium economy seats which will reduce the total # of seats, the 289 goes from 37/252 to 37/24/212, similar change to the 45J birds, though i forget the exact #s
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:57 pm

Since when is MIA getting 330? I thought that was just a.nutters
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:34 pm

I see smaller AA at JFK going all 777 and ending all 767/757 flying. 767 and destinations will be gone from JFK if they can not get upgraded
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:55 pm

AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T although not a international airplane will go to the standard 16F 171Y and will mix with the rest of the 321 fleet
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:03 pm

AA747123 wrote:
AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T although not a international airplane will go to the standard 16F 171Y and will mix with the rest of the 321 fleet


Well, we know this isn’t true because the new standard AA 321 is going to be 190 seats... not 187...
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:11 pm

AA747123 wrote:
AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T although not a international airplane will go to the standard 16F 171Y and will mix with the rest of the 321 fleet


Wait so AA is getting rid of the A321T service? That’s very surprising as I haven’t heard of anything about this, same with removing F from the 77W
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:25 pm

I don't see them only putting 16F and no J on on JFK-LAX Routes....
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:26 pm

321T not changing seating. Reread the memo
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:27 pm

[quote="AAIRLINERS"]It seems that management has decided to concentrate specific wide-body fleets to specific bases/hubs to ease scheduling of equipment and crews that mainly fly the international system. ]


Crew members live all over the country. Most of my airline flight crew friends do not live in the city that they are based out of. I can see AA doing this to consolidate aircraft maintenance.
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:34 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T although not a international airplane will go to the standard 16F 171Y and will mix with the rest of the 321 fleet


Wait so AA is getting rid of the A321T service? That’s very surprising as I haven’t heard of anything about this, same with removing F from the 77W


That is simply not true. Internal memo states that A321T will remain the same and nothing was mentioned about the 77W losing First Class. The poster might have meant the 772's
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:37 pm

MARSHAL1 wrote:
Doesn't LAX see the 77W to HKG & LHR. And the 772 flies LAX-HND & LAX-GRU. Will all of those 777s become 787s now and if so when?

The 77W's rotate through to LAX. Not sure of the exact routings but something along the lines of DFW-HKG-LAX-HKG-DFW and JFK-LHR-LAX-LHR-JFK. And I believe the 77E routes will be switched to 789's at some point. You have to remember that the bulk of AA's Transpac flights are geared toward midwest, east coast, and Latin American connections. They're trying to fill a hole in their network regardless of how many seats they fill so the larger planes often make no sense.
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:56 pm

AA747123 wrote:
AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T although not a international airplane will go to the standard 16F 171Y and will mix with the rest of the 321 fleet


No way International Flagship First is going away. AA is investing millions into Flagship First dining facilities at 77W destinations. 36J is also way too low. The lower density 772s have 45J and the higher density have 37J.
Indianapolis.
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:29 pm

AA747123 wrote:
AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T although not a international airplane will go to the standard 16F 171Y and will mix with the rest of the 321 fleet


Source(s) or this will be considered blatantly false.
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:56 pm

DeSpringbokke wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T although not a international airplane will go to the standard 16F 171Y and will mix with the rest of the 321 fleet


Source(s) or this will be considered blatantly false.


AA747123 doesn’t have sources to quote on this because it is false. Looking at the posters history, they started another thread a few months ago insisting that AA was ditching Sabre which is was also false. Airport agents are just switching over to the QIK GUI.
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:09 pm

AA747123 wrote:
AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T although not a international airplane will go to the standard 16F 171Y and will mix with the rest of the 321 fleet


I think you're confusing the A321T (which flies premium transcon JFK-LAX/SFO) with the standard A321. Right now there are 2 versions of the standard A321: 16F/171Y and 16F/165Y. Latest plans are for both standard A321 versions to be reconfigured to 190 seats. The 77W configuration with premium economy hasn't been disclosed yet, but I would guess F to be removed, or a few J rows removed, when they install premium economy.

Back to the topic: I could see some 77E's moving to PHL to handle the higher density routes (such as LHR).
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:35 pm

[quote="boberito6589"][quote="DeSpringbokke"][quote="AA747123"]AA will also next year begin to reconfigure the 77W and will eliminate F and go with a 36J, 24W and I think it was 324Y configuration was the plan. The 321T
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:50 pm

gregn21 wrote:
MARSHAL1 wrote:
Doesn't LAX see the 77W to HKG & LHR. And the 772 flies LAX-HND & LAX-GRU. Will all of those 777s become 787s now and if so when?

The 77W's rotate through to LAX. Not sure of the exact routings but something along the lines of DFW-HKG-LAX-HKG-DFW and JFK-LHR-LAX-LHR-JFK. And I believe the 77E routes will be switched to 789's at some point. You have to remember that the bulk of AA's Transpac flights are geared toward midwest, east coast, and Latin American connections. They're trying to fill a hole in their network regardless of how many seats they fill so the larger planes often make no sense.


Yeah, LAX-HKG isn't switching off the 77W unless AA re-times flights for a direct turn in HKG (which I don't see happening) or DFW-HKG drops the 77W (which I also don't see happening).
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:13 pm

No mention of the A350.......
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:32 pm

Lpbri wrote:
No mention of the A350.......


Well they don’t have them so where they are based in the upcoming plan is moot. Don’t stir the hornets nest when there is no need to.
 
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Re: AA's Wide-body Basing Plan

Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:39 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Since when is MIA getting 330? I thought that was just a.nutters

Agree. I have not heard anything from AA to indicate that the 330's are going to MIA

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