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American Airlines 192 fire on a Container Loader in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:17 am

A fire just broke out in the cargo hold of AA192 a 77W bound for LAX at the gate in HKG. Tail number is N727AN

A link with video in Cantonese

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/realtime/ ... 9/57310254
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:35 am

Looks like the k loader is what set ablaze. Does it look like someone fell out of the bin too? Hope everyone’s safe.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:57 am

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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:59 am

Wow so flight cancelled. Wonder about damage to the aircraft....
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:00 am

In those photos the fire looks to be outside the aircraft, not in the hold.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:04 am

Looks like a container is the cause of the fire. Battery Fire? (Won't know anytime soon)
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:12 am

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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:20 am

HKG and Guangzhou/Shenzhen is the epicentre of the global electronics industry... Looks like a lithium ion thermal runaway. Was this a cargo pallet or a ULD with passenger baggage!?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:23 am

If it is a battery fire, I suppose it is a blessing it happened on the ground and not in the air.

Aren't they supposed to use fireproof containers for lithium batteries?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:25 am

Thankfully it caught fire whilst on the ground and not hundreds of miles from an airport. Damage from those photos looks low, glad all are safe.

In the event of such a fire, are the fire extinguishers effective with lithium battery fires say compared to any other fire?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:26 am

Had boarding begun? Hope no injured. Maybe another overnight for passengers in that nice city.
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:34 am

Close-up of the damage:

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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:40 am

I was appalled to see the way they kind of dragged that poor man who had to jump for dear life. I hope he didn't sustain serious injuries because of that "help". I also expected a more immediate action against the fire itself.
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:42 am

MaksFly wrote:
If it is a battery fire, I suppose it is a blessing it happened on the ground and not in the air.

Aren't they supposed to use fireproof containers for lithium batteries?


No, lithium batteries are not supposed to be loaded into specific ULDs per regulation. They can be transported both in container ULDs and on ULD pallets, like in this case.

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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:00 pm

PPVLC wrote:
I was appalled to see the way they kind of dragged that poor man who had to jump for dear life. I hope he didn't sustain serious injuries because of that "help". I also expected a more immediate action against the fire itself.


A paramedic friend once told me, that while it's best not to move someone without knowing their injuries if staying in place is going to prove serious risk to life and limb then you move that person right away and any way you can and worry about the existing injuries once safe to do so
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:24 pm

PPVLC wrote:
I was appalled to see the way they kind of dragged that poor man who had to jump for dear life. I hope he didn't sustain serious injuries because of that "help". I also expected a more immediate action against the fire itself.


That is a major fire, no doubt it's better to get them the heck away from it sooner rather than later.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:24 pm

mwhcvt wrote:
PPVLC wrote:
I was appalled to see the way they kind of dragged that poor man who had to jump for dear life. I hope he didn't sustain serious injuries because of that "help". I also expected a more immediate action against the fire itself.


A paramedic friend once told me, that while it's best not to move someone without knowing their injuries if staying in place is going to prove serious risk to life and limb then you move that person right away and any way you can and worry about the existing injuries once safe to do so


Sure you wouldn't leave the lad there to burn to a crisp but to make a stretcher or a chair with their own arms is part of any basic safety training. Anyway, the man is alive and I'm just being pernickety ...
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:27 pm

The video up on the thread 1 has been updated. Clearly a loader fire & not started in the pallet, so discount lithium batteries. I cannot believ the workers have stood around & not tried to fight the fire. AA192 now showing as cancelled.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:39 pm

Unless someone has more details than I do it looks like the plane received very minor if any damage?
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:39 pm

Why would such batteries be transported on a passenger plane when so many fires have been caused by them.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:43 pm

I think the guys did OK. The fire is way too big for a small hand held fire extinguisher, so wait for the experts to arrive. They can spray the firs from a safe distance. Go close to that machine you may injure yourself. Let it burn, its a machine.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:01 pm

SeaKing4 wrote:
The video up on the thread 1 has been updated. Clearly a loader fire & not started in the pallet, so discount lithium batteries. I cannot believ the workers have stood around & not tried to fight the fire. AA192 now showing as cancelled.

Since when do baggage loaders double as firefighters? That fire is pretty sizeable, there's nothing they can really do about it (and even if they could, why risk your life over a hunk of metal?) when a real fire brigade will be there within a couple of minutes.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Just wondering- If there were crew members aboard, would they have known about the fire? I am guessing they would have been busy with preparing the cabin for the flight and not staring out the window. And once aware of the fire, would they have been required to evacuate?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:09 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Why would such batteries be transported on a passenger plane when so many fires have been caused by them.

If these are lithium-ion batteries, because a shipper decided to ignore the regulations forbidding them: https://www.icao.int/Newsroom/Pages/ICA ... craft.aspx
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:15 pm

Well, the cynic in me reacts when the poor injured guy is helped away by his colleagues. They take him away from the inferno at the back of a 777 being loaded to go, so probably already refueled, and leave him "at a safe distance from the flames" under the fuel tanks in the wings

Oh well, all's well that ends well!

A bit scarey! If not batteries, I wonder what caused the ignition and fire!
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:23 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Close-up of the damage:

Image



Unless it is just the angle, I don't see any visible damage to the aircraft? Interestingly enough, I'm not even seeing black marks from the smoke on the fuselage?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:53 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
Unless it is just the angle, I don't see any visible damage to the aircraft? Interestingly enough, I'm not even seeing black marks from the smoke on the fuselage?

The underside of the cargo door was exposed to the flames for quite a while, but it's not visible in that picture.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:03 pm

How did this incident happen?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:22 pm

mwhcvt wrote:
PPVLC wrote:
I was appalled to see the way they kind of dragged that poor man who had to jump for dear life. I hope he didn't sustain serious injuries because of that "help". I also expected a more immediate action against the fire itself.


A paramedic friend once told me, that while it's best not to move someone without knowing their injuries if staying in place is going to prove serious risk to life and limb then you move that person right away and any way you can and worry about the existing injuries once safe to do so

:checkmark: As a former (and still licensed) paramedic, this is absolutely true. It's important to protect someone's c-spine after a fall, but it's a moot point if they're in a hazardous location. The potential for spinal injury becomes outweighed by the risk of being burned alive. You can sometimes fix a spine, but it's a little harder to fix dead.

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Unless it is just the angle, I don't see any visible damage to the aircraft? Interestingly enough, I'm not even seeing black marks from the smoke on the fuselage?

I'm sure there's at least some charing on the underside of the cargo door. They'll need to do a full inspection to make sure it didn't melt any components, but certainly from a less-than-close up view in that picture, the aircraft looks to have been spared from significant damage. Fortunately HKG is a massive maintenance base (including a lot of work for AA), so the situation could have been far worse and far less convenient, all things considered.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:01 pm

Lucky this happened in HKG, where they can just wheel it on over to HAECO and make it good as new in no time. I wouldn't be surprised if AA had some aircraft scheduled in there for a heavy check anyway. Maybe if one is coming for a D-check they just swap it out with that plane's parts?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:12 pm

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Lucky this happened in HKG, where they can just wheel it on over to HAECO and make it good as new in no time. I wouldn't be surprised if AA had some aircraft scheduled in there for a heavy check anyway. Maybe if one is coming for a D-check they just swap it out with that plane's parts?



AA no longer is using HAECO and has no personnel there.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:18 pm

MesserJ wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
Unless it is just the angle, I don't see any visible damage to the aircraft? Interestingly enough, I'm not even seeing black marks from the smoke on the fuselage?

The underside of the cargo door was exposed to the flames for quite a while, but it's not visible in that picture.


You can see soot marks to either side of the door, and a cleaner stripe above the door.

This also might mean the interior of the aircraft stinks.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:24 pm

You can see a DG sticker on at least one of the packages that is near the bottom of the loader.
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:40 pm

apfpilot wrote:
You can see a DG sticker on at least one of the packages that is near the bottom of the loader.

And what is does this abbreviation mean? Dangerous Goods?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:49 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
aeropix wrote:
Lucky this happened in HKG, where they can just wheel it on over to HAECO and make it good as new in no time. I wouldn't be surprised if AA had some aircraft scheduled in there for a heavy check anyway. Maybe if one is coming for a D-check they just swap it out with that plane's parts?



AA no longer is using HAECO and has no personnel there.


Really? Who does the heavy checks on AA's 777s now? I remember an A&P friend of mine grumbling over the closure of the 777 mx shop at AFW (near DFW) several years ago, after which he fortunately kept his job and got transferred to ORD to do B checks up there...hence my interest in the HAECO thing.
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:01 pm

The UK article states that the loader malfunction was the source if the fire and the pallet containing non hazardous goods also caught fire. Let's not be so quick to blame Li-On batteries. Looks like any damage can buffed out
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:13 pm

Yikes that looks bad. Glad this didn't happen in the air.
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:16 pm

It was the LOADER that caught fire which caught the CARGO on it on fire.....Not in the hold not cause of the cargo.....
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:30 pm

Out way too quickly for a battery fire.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:52 pm

Given the revelation that this was "only" a loader fire, I recommend the title be tweaked to "...fire in cargo loader adjacent to 77W in Hong Kong" or thereabouts.
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:54 pm

flyingdoc787 wrote:
Just wondering- If there were crew members aboard, would they have known about the fire? I am guessing they would have been busy with preparing the cabin for the flight and not staring out the window. And once aware of the fire, would they have been required to evacuate?


If the cockpit crew had the taxi cameras up on one of the screens, they will definitely have seen it. Otherwise, they will have been advised by the ground crew or the cabin crew in the back.
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:03 pm

ssteve wrote:
MesserJ wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
Unless it is just the angle, I don't see any visible damage to the aircraft? Interestingly enough, I'm not even seeing black marks from the smoke on the fuselage?

The underside of the cargo door was exposed to the flames for quite a while, but it's not visible in that picture.


You can see soot marks to either side of the door, and a cleaner stripe above the door.

This also might mean the interior of the aircraft stinks.


True, I hadn't thought about the possibility of some of the smoke getting in the cabin and stinking it up. Yikes, that could be slightly messy!
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:05 pm

Looks like water around the incident area. If they put this fire out with water, it WAS NOT lithium batteries!
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:16 pm

PITingres wrote:
Looks like water around the incident area. If they put this fire out with water, it WAS NOT lithium batteries!


Actually, you do put out lithium battery fires with water.
It isn't elemental lithium, so it would explode as if it were.

The biggest thing is too cool it at soon as possible. Cabin crew are trained this way as well, and to refrain from using the Halon extinguishers for this purpose, as it isn't effective.
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:17 pm

Francoflier wrote:
flyingdoc787 wrote:
Just wondering- If there were crew members aboard, would they have known about the fire? I am guessing they would have been busy with preparing the cabin for the flight and not staring out the window. And once aware of the fire, would they have been required to evacuate?


If the cockpit crew had the taxi cameras up on one of the screens, they will definitely have seen it. Otherwise, they will have been advised by the ground crew or the cabin crew in the back.


Now, with the pit door wide open, wouldn't the pit detectors likely pickup some of the smoke, thereby alerting the cockpit crew?
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:18 pm

SeaKing4 wrote:
The video up on the thread 1 has been updated. Clearly a loader fire & not started in the pallet, so discount lithium batteries. I cannot believ the workers have stood around & not tried to fight the fire. AA192 now showing as cancelled.


Why would they try to fight it when the fire trucks were on their way? You can't even go near a fire that big without feeling like your skin is melting off.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:34 pm

Any photos of the plane and the cargo hold by now ? It must have been towed to a remote section of Hing Kong airport by now. Updates welcome.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:57 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
aeropix wrote:
Lucky this happened in HKG, where they can just wheel it on over to HAECO and make it good as new in no time. I wouldn't be surprised if AA had some aircraft scheduled in there for a heavy check anyway. Maybe if one is coming for a D-check they just swap it out with that plane's parts?



AA no longer is using HAECO and has no personnel there.

Since when? There were at least 4-5 AA 772s at HAECO when I was there about three or four months ago.
 
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Re: American Airlines 192 fire in cargo hold in Hong Kong

Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:09 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:
aeropix wrote:
Lucky this happened in HKG, where they can just wheel it on over to HAECO and make it good as new in no time. I wouldn't be surprised if AA had some aircraft scheduled in there for a heavy check anyway. Maybe if one is coming for a D-check they just swap it out with that plane's parts?



AA no longer is using HAECO and has no personnel there.

Since when? There were at least 4-5 AA 772s at HAECO when I was there about three or four months ago.


For about a couple of months now. AA no longer sends any 777s to HKG for Heavy Check. They are building an AA facility in GRU that will handle 777 Heavy Checks in the future.

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