Was talking to an AA gate agent in LGA, she said American would be moving All flights to Terminal B in LGA by mid-November of 2017.

Delta will depart from Terminal A and take over all of Terminal C

Alaska/Virgin American, Frontier and JetBlue will move to Terminal A( the Marine Air Terminal)

Does anyone know if this information is correct. Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?

A) does the MAT have space for all of them?
B) Even if they move, can b take all of AA’a flights?
C) Would a new AC come out of this?

DanDun wrote:

Was talking to an AA gate agent in LGA, she said American would be moving All flights to Terminal B in LGA by mid-November of 2017.

Delta will depart from Terminal A and take over all of Terminal C

Alaska/Virgin American, Frontier and JetBlue will move to Terminal A( the Marine Air Terminal)

Does anyone know if this information is correct. Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?

Sorry....can you speak in old-timer terms?

I know it as
MAT
CTB
USAir terminal
Delta terminal


....so I have no idea what you said

So who will be left at the Marine Air Terminal? It's a designated NYC landmark and won't be torn down, but what will be its function next?

ahj2000 wrote:

A) does the MAT have space for all of them?
B) Even if they move, can b take all of AA’a flights?
C) Would a new AC come out of this?

Mat has 6 gates for 3 carriers with 24 slot pairs. I think each gate should have no problem with 4 daily flights. Maybe JetBlue thinks it can somehow get more slots, who knows.

I am more curious about aa to ctb, since that is going to get seriously crowded now with all of ua wn ac and nk flights also. Especially since aa will also be running all of its shuttle there now.

What do you mean by new ac?

DanDun wrote:

Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?

ATL comes to mind, where L-AA is still in terminal T and L-US is in terminal D.

Technically, - the old US Air gates in terminal E at DFW are still being used by American Eagle, and they are pretty far removed from the rest of the AA Hub in A,B,C, and D.

It seems like B isn't big enough to handle all of L-AA and L-US?

Almost correct!

B6 and AS to MAT.

Delta to C/D

AA to Central Terminal

Mid November. I heard 11/12.

It has been in the works for a year.

727LOVER wrote:

DanDun wrote:

Was talking to an AA gate agent in LGA, she said American would be moving All flights to Terminal B in LGA by mid-November of 2017.

Delta will depart from Terminal A and take over all of Terminal C

Alaska/Virgin American, Frontier and JetBlue will move to Terminal A( the Marine Air Terminal)

Does anyone know if this information is correct. Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?

Sorry....can you speak in old-timer terms?

I know it as
MAT
CTB
USAir terminal
Delta terminal


....so I have no idea what you said

HAHA!!

MAT self explanatory.

Terminal C-USAir
Terminal B-CTB

I'm bilingual when it comes to LGA terminal talk.

On the other hand, is the move a good idea with all of this construction going on?

DanDun wrote:

Was talking to an AA gate agent in LGA, she said American would be moving All flights to Terminal B in LGA by mid-November of 2017.

Delta will depart from Terminal A and take over all of Terminal C

Alaska/Virgin American, Frontier and JetBlue will move to Terminal A( the Marine Air Terminal)

Does anyone know if this information is correct. Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?

AA is split up in San Antonio. They have the 3 LAA gates in Terminal B (B2, B4, & B6) and the LUS gates in Terminal A (A15 & A17). The terminals at SAT are not connected beyond the security checkpoint. At one point A15 was used only for CLT & PHX flights. That doesn't appear to be the case any longer. Today AA has flights to DFW, CLT, LAX, and ORD scheduled out of the B gates, and flights to MIA, PHX, ORD, and LAX scheduled out of the A gates.

I do not believe there is room for AA to consolidate in either terminal.

These moves will be taking place in Nov. NK will also move in with Delta at either Term C or D

AA uses 8 gates in Terminal C (including 3 without bridge). If AS B6 F9 (to MAT) and NK (to C/D?) leave, that will bring only 6 gates to AA, inconveniently spread over all concourses. Hope to hear the final news soon.

I flew Delta Shuttle on ORD-LGA almost exclusively because of the MAT. I guess I won't anymore.

HeeseokKoo wrote:

AA uses 8 gates in Terminal C (including 3 without bridge). If AS B6 F9 (to MAT) and NK (to C/D?) leave, that will bring only 6 gates to AA, inconveniently spread over all concourses. Hope to hear the final news soon.

Exactly, it really seems like aa is the big loser out of this. Unless of course, they are underutilizing their current ctb gates.

Anyone know how many daily flts NK has at LGA?

kbmiflyer wrote:

DanDun wrote:

Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?

ATL comes to mind, where L-AA is still in terminal T and L-US is in terminal D.

Technically, - the old US Air gates in terminal E at DFW are still being used by American Eagle, and they are pretty far removed from the rest of the AA Hub in A,B,C, and D.

It seems like B isn't big enough to handle all of L-AA and L-US?

Been noticing those far away gates on my last few connections in DFW, very isolated!

I think SFO till has all the PHX, CLT, and PHL flights at terminal 1 with DL.

So I assume this means AA will be on 3 Concourses of CTB, unless UA is also moving? Connections will not be pretty.

bpat777 wrote:

These moves will be taking place in Nov. NK will also move in with Delta at either Term C or D

If this is true Gate B6 is prime real estate...WN has been trying to get that gate for years

It appears UA has consolidated on concourse C of Terminal B (I don't see any departures from A today). UA moving wouldn't help anyone. Maybe WN could move to the low C Eagle gates if they were reconfigured and AA could take their gates and thus get out of C. But that would require reconfiguration and thus wouldn't be an easy switchover.

Maybe UA and AA could trade Concourses C and D, but I don't see that being a huge improvement other than that AA would then control all of C, the largest (and worst) concourse in the CTB.

drdisque wrote:

It appears UA has consolidated on concourse C of Terminal B (I don't see any departures from A today). UA moving wouldn't help anyone. Maybe WN could move to the low C Eagle gates if they were reconfigured and AA could take their gates and thus get out of C. But that would require reconfiguration and thus wouldn't be an easy switchover.

Maybe UA and AA could trade Concourses C and D, but I don't see that being a huge improvement other than that AA would then control all of C, the largest (and worst) concourse in the CTB.

No. Airport lounge locations.

The airlines just have to survive for the next 4 years during the CTB rebuild project.

Oh, who am I kidding. 8.

drdisque wrote:

I flew Delta Shuttle on ORD-LGA almost exclusively because of the MAT. I guess I won't anymore.

I fly the BOS shuttle a lot, and I felt the same way when it moved from MAT. But, the shuttle gates in Terminal C are pretty convenient - not a long walk from security, and a SkyClub right close by. I have PreCheck, so security is never an issue for me, even on Monday AM/Wed or Thurs PM.

airzona11 wrote:

kbmiflyer wrote:

DanDun wrote:

Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?

ATL comes to mind, where L-AA is still in terminal T and L-US is in terminal D.

Technically, - the old US Air gates in terminal E at DFW are still being used by American Eagle, and they are pretty far removed from the rest of the AA Hub in A,B,C, and D.

It seems like B isn't big enough to handle all of L-AA and L-US?

Been noticing those far away gates on my last few connections in DFW, very isolated!

I think SFO till has all the PHX, CLT, and PHL flights at terminal 1 with DL.

Not quite... At SFO I've seen CLT out of terminal 2 a few times and heard the A330 flight will operate in terminal 2 as well.

I can't remember AA's terminal in LGA but would it be stuffed when they consolidate?

Yuck, glad I am flying AA out of LGA this month instead of next.

Does anyone know if the new post-construction terminal will have centralized TSA checkpoints? If they centralize them so people can transfer in between concourses then where AA co-locates will no longer be an issue when this is done in 2050.

Only the PANYNJ would be brilliant enough to name the terminals A, B, C and D, and then name the concourses at one of the terminals A, B, C and D. Nice and straightforward for travelers trying to navigate a 50-year-old rat's nest terminal surrounded by a massive construction site.

On the plus side, new terminal construction seems to be moving along at a respectable clip, by NYC infrastructure standards. I looked at construction photos the other day and was surprised at how much has already been erected. It'll be a long road, but the photos were actually encouraging to see. LGA is one of only a handful of US airports that's had to rebuild their terminal basically on top of the old one (SLC is doing it now, MDW did it fifteen years ago, DCA did it in the 90s and FLL/SDF did it in the 80s), so hopefully there's a reasonably good playbook to follow.

cosyr wrote:

Connections will not be pretty.

True, but AA-AA connections aren't pretty at LGA now, anyway, so little change there. And in any event, luckily for AA, most of the traffic in and out of LGA is O&D, and the level of connections is far, far lower than Delta, so if AA and its passengers do have to suffer through a suboptimal terminal setup for a few years while the new CTB is built, it shouldn't be quite as detrimental as it would be at a true major connecting hub.

stlgph wrote:

The airlines just have to survive for the next 4 years during the CTB rebuild project.

Oh, who am I kidding. 8.

jsnww81 wrote:

Only the PANYNJ would be brilliant enough to name the terminals A, B, C and D, and then name the concourses at one of the terminals A, B, C and D. Nice and straightforward for travelers trying to navigate a 50-year-old rat's nest terminal surrounded by a massive construction site.

So true. Sad, but so true.

jsnww81 wrote:

On the plus side, new terminal construction seems to be moving along at a respectable clip, by NYC infrastructure standards. I looked at construction photos the other day and was surprised at how much has already been erected. It'll be a long road, but the photos were actually encouraging to see.

Agreed. On my last trip through LGA a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't believe how much progress I saw - by NYC standards, the speed was honestly shocking. The final completion of the new CTB is obviously still years away, but once it's done - wow - it is going to be a stunning improvement over the current setup.

jsnww81 wrote:

LGA is one of only a handful of US airports that's had to rebuild their terminal basically on top of the old one (SLC is doing it now, MDW did it fifteen years ago, DCA did it in the 90s and FLL/SDF did it in the 80s), so hopefully there's a reasonably good playbook to follow.

Don't forget about the MIA North Terminal (AA's current concourse D) - that was built essentially on top of the former concourses B and C, and incorporated some or all of the former concourses A and D.

commavia wrote:

cosyr wrote:

Connections will not be pretty.

True, but AA-AA connections aren't pretty at LGA now, anyway, so little change there. And in any event, luckily for AA, most of the traffic in and out of LGA is O&D, and the level of connections is far, far lower than Delta, so if AA and its passengers do have to suffer through a suboptimal terminal setup for a few years while the new CTB is built, it shouldn't be quite as detrimental as it would be at a true major connecting hub.

But right now, isn't there a bus from USAir to CTB? If all under one roof, I assume the bus will go away, meaning more people that have to leave security to change planes. Nowadays, anytime you have to leave security to change planes, I find unacceptable.

cosyr wrote:

But right now, isn't there a bus from USAir to CTB? If all under one roof, I assume the bus will go away, meaning more people that have to leave security to change planes. Nowadays, anytime you have to leave security to change planes, I find unacceptable.

Quite true, although theoretically at least I don't think there would be anything stopping AA from running a bus between multiple concourses in the CTB - similar to the current setup at DCA. In any event, though, I doubt this is really all that huge a driving factor either way since so much of AA's traffic at LGA is O&D.

commavia wrote:

Don't forget about the MIA North Terminal (AA's current concourse D) - that was built essentially on top of the former concourses B and C, and incorporated some or all of the former concourses A and D.

I thought of that one, but didn't include it as by all accounts it was a nightmare of mismanagement and came in about four years behind schedule. Hoping that's one proejct they aren't using as an example to follow!

cosyr wrote:

commavia wrote:

cosyr wrote:

Connections will not be pretty.

True, but AA-AA connections aren't pretty at LGA now, anyway, so little change there. And in any event, luckily for AA, most of the traffic in and out of LGA is O&D, and the level of connections is far, far lower than Delta, so if AA and its passengers do have to suffer through a suboptimal terminal setup for a few years while the new CTB is built, it shouldn't be quite as detrimental as it would be at a true major connecting hub.

But right now, isn't there a bus from USAir to CTB? If all under one roof, I assume the bus will go away, meaning more people that have to leave security to change planes. Nowadays, anytime you have to leave security to change planes, I find unacceptable.

AA runs a bus between Concourse C and D in Terminal B.

Once completed all terminals and concourses will be unified.

bpat777 wrote:

Once completed all terminals and concourses will be unified.

Was that announced with the project, for I was curious about the answer to this question, myself.

On paper and in the drawings it looks as though there are four concourses, two divided off into their own brother/sister sections. In these drawings it looks as though, at the very least, two pairs would be connected by the same security point, but not both pairs.

That being said, I haven't seen a final floor plan of the whole thing. There could be an upper level with shared security spreading out to all the concourses, or a basement doing the same purpose with fire and dragons for all I know.

Alaska Airlines flies to LGA ??!

Capn wrote:

Anyone know how many daily flts NK has at LGA?

At last check NK had 11 daily flights out of LGA.

F27500 wrote:

Alaska Airlines flies to LGA ??!

AS picked up the slots from VA merger.

tphuang wrote:

ahj2000 wrote:

A) does the MAT have space for all of them?

Mat has 6 gates for 3 carriers with 24 slot pairs. I think each gate should have no problem with 4 daily flights. Maybe JetBlue thinks it can somehow get more slots, who knows.

I think the bigger issue at the MAT is going to be the size of the gate lounges. It might not be so bad now that B6 is running a lot of E190s on the LGA-BOS pseudo-shuttle and AS uses the E175 to DAL, but having six A320/A321/738/739s departing the MAT at the same time would be a mess out of the current space. I don't know how well-suited the check-in area is for handling multiple carriers, though; I've always gone directly to the security checkpoint.

commavia wrote:

cosyr wrote:

But right now, isn't there a bus from USAir to CTB? If all under one roof, I assume the bus will go away, meaning more people that have to leave security to change planes. Nowadays, anytime you have to leave security to change planes, I find unacceptable.

Quite true, although theoretically at least I don't think there would be anything stopping AA from running a bus between multiple concourses in the CTB - similar to the current setup at DCA. In any event, though, I doubt this is really all that huge a driving factor either way since so much of AA's traffic at LGA is O&D.

I think the solution does end up being a bus between the CTB concourses until the redevelopment reaches a stage where AA can consolidate behind a single checkpoint; this is exactly what DL did between Terminals C & D until the connecting bridge was completed. That's still going to be WAY better than the current situation which is a bus between the CTB and the former US Airways terminal. Plus the wayfinding is AWFUL for AA passengers given that they use gates D1 through D10 at the CTB while Delta has gates D1 through D11 at Terminal D, and the signage for the latter is far more prominent in Terminal C. And the Admirals Club at Terminal C seems to be a sad little glass box.

jsnww81 wrote:

LGA is one of only a handful of US airports that's had to rebuild their terminal basically on top of the old one

There are more than you seem to think; HOU did this with the Central Concourse and the new terminal at DAL is also largely on top of the old one. FLL is replacing Terminal 4 on top of the old one, and the same was true of BOS Terminal A (although the post-9/11 downturn in the industry allowed the terminal to be cleared out with some tight quarters for the airlines at BOS for a few years). The new LGB terminal was built on largely the same footprint as the old set of trailers, and the consolidated A/B Pier at BWI incorporated the late 1990s-era high B gates with a new terminal built on top of the original A & B Piers. RDU also replaced the original Terminal C built for AA's hub with a new Terminal C/D at the same location. BHM also completely replaced its concourses with new structures on top of the old ones, with a new consolidated security area.

evank516 wrote:

Does anyone know if the new post-construction terminal will have centralized TSA checkpoints? If they centralize them so people can transfer in between concourses then where AA co-locates will no longer be an issue when this is done in 2050.

I think there will still be two TSA checkpoints (three if you count the MAT), one in the Delta terminal and one in the "everyone else" replacement terminal for the CTB. Based on the most recent rendering, I think the elevated bridge between the easternmost DL concourse and the "new CTB" would indicate the concourses are all connected behind security, but given that DL is financing the rebuild of its terminals, I very strongly doubt they'll be willing to share gate space with anyone.

tlecam wrote:

the shuttle gates in Terminal C are pretty convenient - not a long walk from security, and a SkyClub right close by. I have PreCheck, so security is never an issue for me, even on Monday AM/Wed or Thurs PM.

I don't know if I'd call the Shuttle gates convenient to the Pre Check checkpoint, but then the walk from C33 to D6 is maybe 10-15 minutes so it's not as if the entire terminal is huge.

tphuang wrote:

HeeseokKoo wrote:

AA uses 8 gates in Terminal C (including 3 without bridge). If AS B6 F9 (to MAT) and NK (to C/D?) leave, that will bring only 6 gates to AA, inconveniently spread over all concourses. Hope to hear the final news soon.

Exactly, it really seems like aa is the big loser out of this. Unless of course, they are underutilizing their current ctb gates.

Eh, some AA passengers lose out on the somewhat nicer experience in Terminal C, but operationally this will be an improvement for AA in that their operations will all be consolidated in the CTB -- they won't have to staff separate check-in and baggage operations (not to mention shuttling bags & customers across the construction zone) and they can likely get better utilization from ramp & customer service agents as well. I also imagine they run into issues with passengers unfamiliar with the operation with a flight departing C8, for example, who show up at Terminal C 30 minutes prior to departure...

There are ramp parking positions in front of the AA hangars and busing passengers out to those really isn't any worse than the ground-level positions they'll lose at Terminal C -- and they are also closer to the nexus of AA's LGA operations.

The AC on Concourse D is going to mad(der) house if this comes to fruition.

F27500 wrote:

Alaska Airlines flies to LGA ??!

Regional services do. LGA-DAL, formerly flown by mainline VX A319s, were replaced by E175s.

Since DL wants everything to be together at LGA did AA leverage that to get consolidated into T in ATL?

PITflights wrote:

Since DL wants everything to be together at LGA did AA leverage that to get consolidated into T in ATL?

AA's been slated to take the new T gates for well over a year, so in terms of the timing I doubt that situation played into this move.

Can an A321 fit into the MAT gates? I'm sure B6 would love to upgauge certain LGA-Florida flights during peak periods. My understanding is that B6's current gates in the central terminal do not have space for the A321.

jetbluefan1 wrote:

Can an A321 fit into the MAT gates? I'm sure B6 would love to upgauge certain LGA-Florida flights during peak periods. My understanding is that B6's current gates in the central terminal do not have space for the A321.

Four of the six gates can handle A300 size aircraft. This was a PanAm requirement they wanted for their new shuttle operation from the MAT.(1986).

Sightseer wrote:

PITflights wrote:

Since DL wants everything to be together at LGA did AA leverage that to get consolidated into T in ATL?

AA's been slated to take the new T gates for well over a year, so in terms of the timing I doubt that situation played into this move.

Which new gates in T?

Bigstud69 wrote:

Sightseer wrote:

PITflights wrote:

Since DL wants everything to be together at LGA did AA leverage that to get consolidated into T in ATL?

AA's been slated to take the new T gates for well over a year, so in terms of the timing I doubt that situation played into this move.

Which new gates in T?

5 new gates, coming circa 2021

http://www.myajc.com/business/hartsfiel ... Imp5sidUI/

There is some news on this today.

Look for a press release shortly.

Big shuffle occurring in LGA next month

Looks like American will be doing the swap on Dec 8/9.

LGA on the move...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLULcfbSgU&feature=youtu.be>

Moves effective 12-09-17:

American / American Eagle / American Shuttle: TERMINAL B
Delta Shuttle: TERMINAL C
Delta / Delta Connection: TERMINAL C/D
Frontier/Spirit - Departures: TERMINAL C
Frontier/Spirit - Arrivals: TERMINAL D
JetBlue/Alaska - TERMINAL A
United/Southwest/Air Canada: TERMINAL B

miaskies wrote:

LGA on the move...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLULcfbSgU&feature=youtu.be>

Moves effective 12-09-17:

American / American Eagle / American Shuttle: TERMINAL B
Delta Shuttle: TERMINAL C
Delta / Delta Connection: TERMINAL C/D
Frontier/Spirit - Departures: TERMINAL C
Frontier/Spirit - Arrivals: TERMINAL D
JetBlue/Alaska - TERMINAL A
United/Southwest/Air Canada: TERMINAL B

I'm just curious, does anyone know why DL would have accepted this move? I realize they benefit operationally from being in just two terminals instead of spread across three, but why accept having Frontier and Spirit take some C/D gates when I feel like Frontier and Spirit could have fit in the MAT/Terminal A with Jetblue and Alaska? It just seems like DL is the one who gave something up here so they should have been able to get the better deal...

dmorbust wrote:

I'm just curious, does anyone know why DL would have accepted this move? I realize they benefit operationally from being in just two terminals instead of spread across three, but why accept having Frontier and Spirit take some C/D gates when I feel like Frontier and Spirit could have fit in the MAT/Terminal A with Jetblue and Alaska? It just seems like DL is the one who gave something up here so they should have been able to get the better deal...

AA currently has 8 gates in C I believe (though only 5 of them are contact gates AFAIK) so I'm not sure the Frontier/Spirit moving in, with their very limited ops, is really giving anything up.

I'm not sure there would have been passenger hold room in A for Jetblue, Alaska, Frontier, and Spirit to all be there. Probably not ample check-in space or four airlines either.

miaskies wrote:

LGA on the move...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLULcfbSgU&feature=youtu.be>

Moves effective 12-09-17:

American / American Eagle / American Shuttle: TERMINAL B
Delta Shuttle: TERMINAL C
Delta / Delta Connection: TERMINAL C/D
Frontier/Spirit - Departures: TERMINAL C
Frontier/Spirit - Arrivals: TERMINAL D
JetBlue/Alaska - TERMINAL A
United/Southwest/Air Canada: TERMINAL B

So is terminal b getting reshuffled at all? just wondering with air Canada, Southwest & United staying put if AA is going to consolidate to 2-3 of the concourses or if they'll be spread out over all 4.

Edit:
Looks like they're going to have gates on all 4 concourses but are keeping the bus: http://news.aa.com/press-releases/press ... fault.aspx so Net, they're giving up 5 gates for 4 which might be why DL agreed...

What gates will NK / F9 have?