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DanDun wrote:Was talking to an AA gate agent in LGA, she said American would be moving All flights to Terminal B in LGA by mid-November of 2017.
Delta will depart from Terminal A and take over all of Terminal C
Alaska/Virgin American, Frontier and JetBlue will move to Terminal A( the Marine Air Terminal)
Does anyone know if this information is correct. Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?
ahj2000 wrote:A) does the MAT have space for all of them?
B) Even if they move, can b take all of AA’a flights?
C) Would a new AC come out of this?
DanDun wrote:Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?
727LOVER wrote:DanDun wrote:Was talking to an AA gate agent in LGA, she said American would be moving All flights to Terminal B in LGA by mid-November of 2017.
Delta will depart from Terminal A and take over all of Terminal C
Alaska/Virgin American, Frontier and JetBlue will move to Terminal A( the Marine Air Terminal)
Does anyone know if this information is correct. Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?
Sorry....can you speak in old-timer terms?![]()
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I know it as
MAT
CTB
USAir terminal
Delta terminal
....so I have no idea what you said
DanDun wrote:Was talking to an AA gate agent in LGA, she said American would be moving All flights to Terminal B in LGA by mid-November of 2017.
Delta will depart from Terminal A and take over all of Terminal C
Alaska/Virgin American, Frontier and JetBlue will move to Terminal A( the Marine Air Terminal)
Does anyone know if this information is correct. Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?
HeeseokKoo wrote:AA uses 8 gates in Terminal C (including 3 without bridge). If AS B6 F9 (to MAT) and NK (to C/D?) leave, that will bring only 6 gates to AA, inconveniently spread over all concourses. Hope to hear the final news soon.
kbmiflyer wrote:DanDun wrote:Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?
ATL comes to mind, where L-AA is still in terminal T and L-US is in terminal D.
Technically, - the old US Air gates in terminal E at DFW are still being used by American Eagle, and they are pretty far removed from the rest of the AA Hub in A,B,C, and D.
It seems like B isn't big enough to handle all of L-AA and L-US?
bpat777 wrote:These moves will be taking place in Nov. NK will also move in with Delta at either Term C or D
drdisque wrote:It appears UA has consolidated on concourse C of Terminal B (I don't see any departures from A today). UA moving wouldn't help anyone. Maybe WN could move to the low C Eagle gates if they were reconfigured and AA could take their gates and thus get out of C. But that would require reconfiguration and thus wouldn't be an easy switchover.
Maybe UA and AA could trade Concourses C and D, but I don't see that being a huge improvement other than that AA would then control all of C, the largest (and worst) concourse in the CTB.
drdisque wrote:I flew Delta Shuttle on ORD-LGA almost exclusively because of the MAT. I guess I won't anymore.
airzona11 wrote:kbmiflyer wrote:DanDun wrote:Other than LGA are there any other airports where L-AA and L-US are still in separate terminals?
ATL comes to mind, where L-AA is still in terminal T and L-US is in terminal D.
Technically, - the old US Air gates in terminal E at DFW are still being used by American Eagle, and they are pretty far removed from the rest of the AA Hub in A,B,C, and D.
It seems like B isn't big enough to handle all of L-AA and L-US?
Been noticing those far away gates on my last few connections in DFW, very isolated!
I think SFO till has all the PHX, CLT, and PHL flights at terminal 1 with DL.
cosyr wrote:Connections will not be pretty.
stlgph wrote:The airlines just have to survive for the next 4 years during the CTB rebuild project.
Oh, who am I kidding. 8.
jsnww81 wrote:Only the PANYNJ would be brilliant enough to name the terminals A, B, C and D, and then name the concourses at one of the terminals A, B, C and D. Nice and straightforward for travelers trying to navigate a 50-year-old rat's nest terminal surrounded by a massive construction site.
jsnww81 wrote:On the plus side, new terminal construction seems to be moving along at a respectable clip, by NYC infrastructure standards. I looked at construction photos the other day and was surprised at how much has already been erected. It'll be a long road, but the photos were actually encouraging to see.
jsnww81 wrote:LGA is one of only a handful of US airports that's had to rebuild their terminal basically on top of the old one (SLC is doing it now, MDW did it fifteen years ago, DCA did it in the 90s and FLL/SDF did it in the 80s), so hopefully there's a reasonably good playbook to follow.
commavia wrote:cosyr wrote:Connections will not be pretty.
True, but AA-AA connections aren't pretty at LGA now, anyway, so little change there. And in any event, luckily for AA, most of the traffic in and out of LGA is O&D, and the level of connections is far, far lower than Delta, so if AA and its passengers do have to suffer through a suboptimal terminal setup for a few years while the new CTB is built, it shouldn't be quite as detrimental as it would be at a true major connecting hub.
cosyr wrote:But right now, isn't there a bus from USAir to CTB? If all under one roof, I assume the bus will go away, meaning more people that have to leave security to change planes. Nowadays, anytime you have to leave security to change planes, I find unacceptable.
commavia wrote:Don't forget about the MIA North Terminal (AA's current concourse D) - that was built essentially on top of the former concourses B and C, and incorporated some or all of the former concourses A and D.
cosyr wrote:commavia wrote:cosyr wrote:Connections will not be pretty.
True, but AA-AA connections aren't pretty at LGA now, anyway, so little change there. And in any event, luckily for AA, most of the traffic in and out of LGA is O&D, and the level of connections is far, far lower than Delta, so if AA and its passengers do have to suffer through a suboptimal terminal setup for a few years while the new CTB is built, it shouldn't be quite as detrimental as it would be at a true major connecting hub.
But right now, isn't there a bus from USAir to CTB? If all under one roof, I assume the bus will go away, meaning more people that have to leave security to change planes. Nowadays, anytime you have to leave security to change planes, I find unacceptable.
bpat777 wrote:Once completed all terminals and concourses will be unified.
Capn wrote:Anyone know how many daily flts NK has at LGA?
F27500 wrote:Alaska Airlines flies to LGA ??!
tphuang wrote:ahj2000 wrote:A) does the MAT have space for all of them?
Mat has 6 gates for 3 carriers with 24 slot pairs. I think each gate should have no problem with 4 daily flights. Maybe JetBlue thinks it can somehow get more slots, who knows.
commavia wrote:cosyr wrote:But right now, isn't there a bus from USAir to CTB? If all under one roof, I assume the bus will go away, meaning more people that have to leave security to change planes. Nowadays, anytime you have to leave security to change planes, I find unacceptable.
Quite true, although theoretically at least I don't think there would be anything stopping AA from running a bus between multiple concourses in the CTB - similar to the current setup at DCA. In any event, though, I doubt this is really all that huge a driving factor either way since so much of AA's traffic at LGA is O&D.
jsnww81 wrote:LGA is one of only a handful of US airports that's had to rebuild their terminal basically on top of the old one
evank516 wrote:Does anyone know if the new post-construction terminal will have centralized TSA checkpoints? If they centralize them so people can transfer in between concourses then where AA co-locates will no longer be an issue when this is done in 2050.
tlecam wrote:the shuttle gates in Terminal C are pretty convenient - not a long walk from security, and a SkyClub right close by. I have PreCheck, so security is never an issue for me, even on Monday AM/Wed or Thurs PM.
tphuang wrote:HeeseokKoo wrote:AA uses 8 gates in Terminal C (including 3 without bridge). If AS B6 F9 (to MAT) and NK (to C/D?) leave, that will bring only 6 gates to AA, inconveniently spread over all concourses. Hope to hear the final news soon.
Exactly, it really seems like aa is the big loser out of this. Unless of course, they are underutilizing their current ctb gates.
F27500 wrote:Alaska Airlines flies to LGA ??!
PITflights wrote:Since DL wants everything to be together at LGA did AA leverage that to get consolidated into T in ATL?
jetbluefan1 wrote:Can an A321 fit into the MAT gates? I'm sure B6 would love to upgauge certain LGA-Florida flights during peak periods. My understanding is that B6's current gates in the central terminal do not have space for the A321.
Sightseer wrote:PITflights wrote:Since DL wants everything to be together at LGA did AA leverage that to get consolidated into T in ATL?
AA's been slated to take the new T gates for well over a year, so in terms of the timing I doubt that situation played into this move.
Bigstud69 wrote:Sightseer wrote:PITflights wrote:Since DL wants everything to be together at LGA did AA leverage that to get consolidated into T in ATL?
AA's been slated to take the new T gates for well over a year, so in terms of the timing I doubt that situation played into this move.
Which new gates in T?
miaskies wrote:LGA on the move...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLULcfbSgU&feature=youtu.be>
Moves effective 12-09-17:
American / American Eagle / American Shuttle: TERMINAL B
Delta Shuttle: TERMINAL C
Delta / Delta Connection: TERMINAL C/D
Frontier/Spirit - Departures: TERMINAL C
Frontier/Spirit - Arrivals: TERMINAL D
JetBlue/Alaska - TERMINAL A
United/Southwest/Air Canada: TERMINAL B
dmorbust wrote:
I'm just curious, does anyone know why DL would have accepted this move? I realize they benefit operationally from being in just two terminals instead of spread across three, but why accept having Frontier and Spirit take some C/D gates when I feel like Frontier and Spirit could have fit in the MAT/Terminal A with Jetblue and Alaska? It just seems like DL is the one who gave something up here so they should have been able to get the better deal...
miaskies wrote:LGA on the move...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLULcfbSgU&feature=youtu.be>
Moves effective 12-09-17:
American / American Eagle / American Shuttle: TERMINAL B
Delta Shuttle: TERMINAL C
Delta / Delta Connection: TERMINAL C/D
Frontier/Spirit - Departures: TERMINAL C
Frontier/Spirit - Arrivals: TERMINAL D
JetBlue/Alaska - TERMINAL A
United/Southwest/Air Canada: TERMINAL B