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UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:04 am

Looks like this rumor won't die. The article brings up some interesting points, such as UA/B6 controlling 42% of the New York market, and UA/B6 would attempt to have EWR excluded from the traffic count in NY.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/ ... re-jetblue
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:25 am

maxholstemh1521 wrote:
Looks like this rumor won't die. The article brings up some interesting points, such as UA/B6 controlling 42% of the New York market, and UA/B6 would attempt to have EWR excluded from the traffic count in NY.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/ ... re-jetblue


It would get UA back at JFK.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:29 am

I've had enough of US mergers, I like what we have now.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:33 am

Never understood the appeal of an UA/B6 tie up. UA already has the best NYC-area hub and is virtually tied with DL for third place in BOS. The value of FLL, MCO, LGB and SJU in this equation seems to be inconsequential. All this would do is eliminate a competitor that has more exposure to UA's peers than to UA itself. In other words, it would help AA and DL consolidate their positions in NYC, Boston, South Florida and Orlando, more than it would help UA grow its presence in any of the aforementioned markets.

If anything, I see AA/B6 as the most viable option for a legacy-B6 merger since it would essentially bring AA to parity with DL and UA in the New York market. AA would end up larger than UA overall with the #1 spot at JFK, close #2 at LGA and very, very distant #2 at EWR. BOS could potentially pose an antitrust issue since a combined AA/B6 would control over 50% of the market, but then again AA/US were allowed to merge with limited divestments at DCA and a 50% market share.

As an aside, NYC - LGA, JFK and EWR - is one market. Full stop.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:00 am

This sounds like the investors are pushing for it... do I think it will happen? Eh, there's a chance I suppose.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:58 am

Lets say it does happen... would B6 likely go the way of CO and be absorbed into UA? Maybe that would be a time for UA to rebrand and get rid of the CO paint job? Thoughts?
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:32 am

why does AA need to be #1 in NY? they have a great hub in PHL, MIA, ORD, DFW, CLT, & PHX and the NYC presence is a decent sized one.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:33 am

jumbojet wrote:
UA is usually at the bottom with on-time performance and with cancelling flights as is JetBlue.. A combined B6 and UA will be an operational nightmare.


Absolutely wrong. Dead wrong. But expected from you. #fakenews
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:35 am

N626AA wrote:
Lets say it does happen... would B6 likely go the way of CO and be absorbed into UA? Maybe that would be a time for UA to rebrand and get rid of the CO paint job? Thoughts?


The CO paint job is good for UA, but a sad reminder for the world of the death of a once great airline. If UA does to B6 what it did to CO, America will lose another great airline.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:46 am

greenair727 wrote:
N626AA wrote:
Lets say it does happen... would B6 likely go the way of CO and be absorbed into UA? Maybe that would be a time for UA to rebrand and get rid of the CO paint job? Thoughts?


The CO paint job is good for UA, but a sad reminder for the world of the death of a once great airline. If UA does to B6 what it did to CO, America will lose another great airline.



You do realize that it was COs management that ran the new UA? Munoz and Kirby are trying to clean up the Jeffed up mess that CO management left behind.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:54 am

I agree with the conclusion of the article, rather than the speculation of the analyst commentary. A United-JetBlue transaction does not seem plausible or credible to me, for a variety of reasons.

To start with the obvious, I find it very difficult to imagine regulatory approval of such a combination - particularly given the overlap in NYC and transcontinental markets - without extreme concessions that would undermine the entire rationale for the deal. It does not seem realistic that the DOJ would treat EWR and JFK/LGA separately for the purposes of evaluating a United-JetBlue merger. "Acquiring a troublesome new challenger" and "eliminat[ing] one source of growing price pressure across the industry" aren't exactly aims DOJ is likely to support.

But beyond antitrust approval, the bigger issue is that this deal just doesn't seem to make any strategic sense. I understand that United wants to boost domestic ASMs, but buying JetBlue would be a very inefficient and illogical way of doing it. United can and should improve the density of its domestic network at its existing, successful, hubs. Adding new hubs in JFK, BOS and FLL, merely for the purpose of adding domestic ASMs, is ridiculous - all the more so given that, again, so much of JetBlue's ASMs directly or indirectly overlap United (in and out of NYC).

And beyond all that, there's the issue of business model mismatch. United's costs are considerably higher than JetBlue, so merely bringing JetBlue's network up to United's cost structure and adding premium cabins across United's network would render some portion of the JetBlue network unprofitable, even net of any, probably minimal, revenue-generating synergies. And United also loses all the goodwill and brand equity JetBlue has built up in its core markets. And labor integration - just as United is starting to turn the corner on its culture and climb out of the hole that Smisek dug - well, have fun with that.

Ultimately, it seems to me that by far the biggest beneficiaries of a United-JetBlue transaction would be AA and Delta. They would enjoy the benefit of a large, disruptive and lower-cost competitor being removed from the market, plus the extra added benefit of one of their primary competitors (United) being mired in a costly, complex and resource-diverting integration of two fundamentally different airlines.

Highly implausible and illogical.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:50 am

Call me crazy but United buying JetBlue does not seem far fetched to me. JetBlue could very well become analogous to what Vueling/Level are to IAG. If the presumed JetBlue TATL is happening with A321LR then it would fill in a competitive gap in United's portfolio. Also, JetBlue will help with the tarnished United brand.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:05 am

UnitedBlue anyone? My completely uneducated take on this is UA will lose one competitor and gain a good number of relatively new Airbus NBs Plus lots of junior level pilots.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:08 am

I really hope not otherwise the United (Boeing) Board will replace all those great 320s with 737s... :white:
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:11 am

Commavia

Your post nails it and the 4th paragraph is 100% spot on. Why people think UA could make jetblue's network work is beyond me. FLL and MCO would hemmorage money for UA. Raising fares would result in destimulting markets B6 has stimulated and the traffic would disappear. It's sad that in all the UA/B6 threads, yours is the first post to point out the obvious.

UA would be forced out of FLL and MCO by WN and NK and DL would beat UA in BOS. Plus you're correct. The motivation for the merger would be something DOJ would reject.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:19 am

UA/B6 would creat a significantly large mega-airline. Would this force Wall Streets hand to push for a DL/AA merger in response? Or would that set off a race between DL and AA to merge with WN not be left out as the bridesmaid with no one left to merge with?
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:27 am

maxholstemh1521 wrote:
Looks like this rumor won't die. The article brings up some interesting points, such as UA/B6 controlling 42% of the New York market, and UA/B6 would attempt to have EWR excluded from the traffic count in NY.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/ ... re-jetblue



How horrid! First they get rid of VX now JetBlue. Wall Street Airlines now poised to eat its young. Awful!
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:46 am

LAXLHR wrote:
maxholstemh1521 wrote:
Looks like this rumor won't die. The article brings up some interesting points, such as UA/B6 controlling 42% of the New York market, and UA/B6 would attempt to have EWR excluded from the traffic count in NY.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/ ... re-jetblue



How horrid! First they get rid of VX now JetBlue. Wall Street Airlines now poised to eat its young. Awful!


If you think that’s bad, wait till you see what they do when they get their hands on Spirit!
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:27 am

ikolkyo wrote:
I've had enough of US mergers, I like what we have now.


I agree. If we were to have another then I would be hoping for a merger AS-B6. The last thing we need is for UA too swallow B6. I don;t see how further consolidation of smaller players into the larger airlines is in the interests of the travelling public.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:01 am

NZ321 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
I've had enough of US mergers, I like what we have now.


I agree. If we were to have another then I would be hoping for a merger AS-B6. The last thing we need is for UA too swallow B6. I don;t see how further consolidation of smaller players into the larger airlines is in the interests of the travelling publicity .


It isn’t, but then again, consolidation at this level is about shareholders and Wall Street not the public .
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:03 pm

iahcsr wrote:

UnitedBlue anyone? My completely uneducated take on this is UA will lose one competitor and gain a good number of relatively new Airbus NBs Plus lots of junior level pilots.


In this long shot case it would be more like U-Blue. Take it anyway you like.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:17 pm

No thank you. UA doesn't need B6 and UA doesn't need to go through another merger.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:21 pm

Yesterday, on a seemingly perfect weather flying day, B6 had 16% of their flights delayed. United had 15% of their flights delayed. Together, it will be a mess. Throw in some bad weather and matters multiply exponentially. This is day in and day out, good weather or bad weather. Must be very frustrating for the pax.

The funny part is that B6 blames their chronically delayed flights on ATC. That's ridiculous. B6 should stop blaming their problems on others and accept blame and responsibility for their inability run a timely operation.

B6's planes are getting old, they're not maintained adequately which is what is leading to delay after delay after delay. Maybe B6 should have Delta tech ops perform their maintenance? Its not ATC's fault, shame on JetBlue. Shame, shame, shame.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:41 pm

maxholstemh1521 wrote:
UA/B6 would attempt to have EWR excluded from the traffic count in NY.


UA is running a massive ad campaign throughout NYC that puts the lie to this claim.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:31 pm

commavia wrote:
"Acquiring a troublesome new challenger" and "eliminat[ing] one source of growing price pressure across the industry" aren't exactly aims DOJ is likely to support.n and out of NYC).


They weren't bothered by letting WN pare down its prey's biggest hub and dump ~90 of its airplanes and some its outstations to kill FL.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:38 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
FLL and MCO would hemmorage money for UA. Raising fares would result in destimulting markets B6 has stimulated and the traffic would disappear.

Bobloblaw wrote:
UA would be forced out of FLL and MCO by WN and NK and DL would beat UA in BOS. Plus you're correct. The motivation for the merger would be something DOJ would reject.


:checkmark:

It's hard to imagine large swaths of JetBlue's route map being viable at United's cost and product/service levels. Much of the Florida and Caribbean flying, much of the BOS network, and even a lot of the JFK flying - these routes exist because JetBlue can serve them at JetBlue's cost and product/service levels.

ty97 wrote:
UA is running a massive ad campaign throughout NYC that puts the lie to this claim.


Ha, yeah - I had forgotten about that.

So under this theory, United would successfully argue to the DOJ to treat EWR and LGA/JFK as separate markets for the purposes of market concentration, despite the fact that United itself is spending millions to highlight, emphasize and underscore that they're really one market (which, of course, they are). :roll: Again - this whole thing is so implausible.

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They weren't bothered by letting WN pare down its prey's biggest hub and dump ~90 of its airplanes and some its outstations to kill FL.


True. There is no question that one of the primary motivations of acquiring AirTran was to eliminate a competitor. But that was 2010 and, of course, that "eliminator" was Southwest. I highly doubt United would get similar regulatory treatment.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:48 pm

I don't think another merger is necessary. I would rather see United unmerge with Continental, because they need to come back. But that would never happen and would be a mess. That also sounds really silly as well.

Why did Continental and United merge in the first place?
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:57 pm

VS11 wrote:
Call me crazy but United buying JetBlue does not seem far fetched to me. JetBlue could very well become analogous to what Vueling/Level are to IAG.


Scope clauses in the union contracts would prohibit UCH from operating B6 as a separate carrier. B6 would have to be merged into a single carrier.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:57 pm

I would agree with the rest of you . . . I don't know that this acquisition/merger would fit with United's route structure and doesn't bring any strategic value. I think a more interesting play would be to pickup one of the smaller carriers (think Frontier) for quick access to aircraft necessary to continue with their rebuilding . . . seems to me that these days, Frontier isn't doing much more than searching around for places to fly anyway . . .
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:07 pm

No way WN would just sit back and let this happen.
WN would make a counter play for B6.
In the end UA would probably win the bid.
But like the AS/VX deal they would end up paying to much for B6.
Then the DOT would probably force UA to give up a drastic share of B6 prime slots at JFK,LGA and DCA.
Opening the door for more competition.
WN would bid high for those slots.
WN would still be a big winner because it wouldn't have paid to much for B6 and it would be able to grow it's east coast market without the pains of another merger.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:10 pm

I don't think this is something even on UAs (or B6s) radar...this is simply an analyst who probably sold his investors on both carriers and is trying a hail mary pass to see if he can make some money. About the only way I could see UA getting pieces of B6 would be if B6 were to collapse which is not at all likely. Then yes their A320/A321 fleet would mesh quite well with UAs along with reentering JFK and boosting UAs BOS presence...the rest of B6s network is either redundant or too low revenue to work with UAs model.

UA is concentrating on organic growth (quite a bit faster than DL or AA) vs another M&A at this point...they are far too focused on that to be caught up in another merger.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:12 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
No way WN would just sit back and let this happen.
WN would make a counter play for B6.
In the end UA would probably win the bid.
But like the AS/VX deal they would end up paying to much for B6.
Then the DOT would probably force UA to give up a drastic share of B6 prime slots at JFK,LGA and DCA.
Opening the door for more competition.
WN would bid high for those slots.
WN would still be a big winner because it wouldn't have paid to much for B6 and it would be able to grow it's east coast market without the pains of another merger.
Bid away UA bid Away!

And the “great” Southwest would still be bottom of the barrel with regards to on-time and completion.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:55 pm

This is Wall Street pushing a rumor to generate M&A fees and market volatility. Completely self serving. Not sure how this could ever be cleared, but perhaps the current administration may not care.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:07 pm

This is a great merger and will happen in
next few years:

1. Trump admin will allow it

2. UA gets back to JFK and while they will be bigger at EWR, they will start flying international from both airports plus the trans cons and Airbuses

3. They will quickly win support from New York's congressional delegation when they combine the small Midtown office that United has into Long Island city and agree to keep 1000+ jobs there. this will give United the hometown airline Branding that JetBlue has, a leg up on Delta, all the while if they will still be headquartered in Chicago.

4. B6 workers Will all be on board with huge raises and integration into the worlds largest airline (job security)

5. Solves jetblues biggest problem: where to grow now?


This deal is as good as done over the next 3 years (while trump is in office)
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:08 pm

The market share in NYC alone would prevent any merger with United from happening. Antitrust issues in Florida would complicate a merger with American. The only network carrier I could see B6 merging with is Alaska to create a national network focused on the coasts and allowing JetBlue to gain a regional airline subsidiary for short-haul Embraer operations...the relative lack of overall overlap would make this palatable to regulators. But even there, the B6 business model would have to prevail, as B6 relies on ultra-quick turnarounds for its flights (their aircraft utilization rate is also among the highest in the industry, with an A320 performing as many as 9 flights a day). With a merger between B6 and AS, the entire operation could transition to an all-Airbus fleet (A319/A320/A321), with the Boeing 737s sold to lessors as newer Airbus planes come on board. Regional operations would then be done with Embraer 175s. Freight operations could be done with older A320P2Fs.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:28 pm

jumbojet wrote:
Yesterday, on a seemingly perfect weather flying day, B6 had 16% of their flights delayed. United had 15% of their flights delayed. Together, it will be a mess. Throw in some bad weather and matters multiply exponentially. This is day in and day out, good weather or bad weather. Must be very frustrating for the pax.

The funny part is that B6 blames their chronically delayed flights on ATC. That's ridiculous. B6 should stop blaming their problems on others and accept blame and responsibility for their inability run a timely operation.

B6's planes are getting old, they're not maintained adequately which is what is leading to delay after delay after delay. Maybe B6 should have Delta tech ops perform their maintenance? Its not ATC's fault, shame on JetBlue. Shame, shame, shame.


I assume in your expert analysis of “perfect flying days” and delays, you took into account SFO is down to a 30 arrival rate because of the massive CA wild fires?
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:33 pm

jumbojet wrote:
Yesterday, on a seemingly perfect weather flying day, B6 had 16% of their flights delayed. United had 15% of their flights delayed. Together, it will be a mess. Throw in some bad weather and matters multiply exponentially. This is day in and day out, good weather or bad weather. Must be very frustrating for the pax.

The funny part is that B6 blames their chronically delayed flights on ATC. That's ridiculous. B6 should stop blaming their problems on others and accept blame and responsibility for their inability run a timely operation.

B6's planes are getting old, they're not maintained adequately which is what is leading to delay after delay after delay. Maybe B6 should have Delta tech ops perform their maintenance? Its not ATC's fault, shame on JetBlue. Shame, shame, shame.


Using a single day’s data point is always the best way to extrapolate a long term trend. :roll: Your fanboyism is blinding.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:48 pm

greenair727 wrote:
N626AA wrote:
Lets say it does happen... would B6 likely go the way of CO and be absorbed into UA? Maybe that would be a time for UA to rebrand and get rid of the CO paint job? Thoughts?


The CO paint job is good for UA, but a sad reminder for the world of the death of a once great airline. If UA does to B6 what it did to CO, America will lose another great airline.


That paint scheme is 26 years old, it's time for something new. Maybe a modern take on the Saul Bass "tulip" logo.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:00 pm

The thing is, B6 isn't selling to anyone for cheap. There would be a bidding war similar to the AS/B6 one for VX. No other airline wants that merger to happen and they bid a pretty penny to stop it. UA could grow faster and with less complication on its own for the amount of money they'd have to pay and regulatory hoops through which they'd have to jump.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:10 pm

This isn't a Wall Street consensus; this is Hunter Keay stirring the pot to further his own interests.
It may...or may not happen. Just consider the source.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:13 pm

jumbojet wrote:
Yesterday, on a seemingly perfect weather flying day, B6 had 16% of their flights delayed. United had 15% of their flights delayed. Together, it will be a mess. Throw in some bad weather and matters multiply exponentially. This is day in and day out, good weather or bad weather. Must be very frustrating for the pax.

The funny part is that B6 blames their chronically delayed flights on ATC. That's ridiculous. B6 should stop blaming their problems on others and accept blame and responsibility for their inability run a timely operation.

B6's planes are getting old, they're not maintained adequately which is what is leading to delay after delay after delay. Maybe B6 should have Delta tech ops perform their maintenance? Its not ATC's fault, shame on JetBlue. Shame, shame, shame.



Now if you could just show me how you know they are not matained properly.
I’ll wait.

That’s a very very wild accusation, and irresponsible.
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:21 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
No way WN would just sit back and let this happen.
WN would make a counter play for B6.
In the end UA would probably win the bid.
But like the AS/VX deal they would end up paying to much for B6.
Then the DOT would probably force UA to give up a drastic share of B6 prime slots at JFK,LGA and DCA.
Opening the door for more competition.
WN would bid high for those slots.
WN would still be a big winner because it wouldn't have paid to much for B6 and it would be able to grow it's east coast market without the pains of another merger.
Bid away UA bid Away!

And the “great” Southwest would still be bottom of the barrel with regards to on-time and completion.


Only because the big 3 don't count their regional flights in their stats, unlike Southwest who with almost 700 aircraft- does not outsource any flying.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:22 pm

Italianflyer wrote:
This isn't a Wall Street consensus; this is Hunter Keay stirring the pot to further his own interests.
It may...or may not happen. Just consider the source.


This is correct. The "story" was made up, er, written, by one guy. And he provides zero evidence that it is anything but him making stuff up for his own agenda, most likely just a way to get attention.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:27 pm

fastmover wrote:
Now if you could just show me how you know they are not matained properly.
I’ll wait.

That’s a very very wild accusation, and irresponsible.


JetBlue planes are properly maintained.

They are also not old; JetBlue's average fleet age is 9 years. Compared to 17 years for Delta, 14 for United, 12 for Southwest, 11 for American, 11 for Hawaiian, and 9 for Alaska, JetBlue has the youngest fleet among all major carriers.

It's a shame that this site allows some posters to continually post lies.
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:33 pm

airplaneboy wrote:
flyguy84 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
No way WN would just sit back and let this happen.
WN would make a counter play for B6.
In the end UA would probably win the bid.
But like the AS/VX deal they would end up paying to much for B6.
Then the DOT would probably force UA to give up a drastic share of B6 prime slots at JFK,LGA and DCA.
Opening the door for more competition.
WN would bid high for those slots.
WN would still be a big winner because it wouldn't have paid to much for B6 and it would be able to grow it's east coast market without the pains of another merger.
Bid away UA bid Away!

And the “great” Southwest would still be bottom of the barrel with regards to on-time and completion.


Only because the big 3 don't count their regional flights in their stats, unlike Southwest who with almost 700 aircraft- does not outsource any flying.


WN has been trailing the US3 for months no matter how you slice it....there are worse however.

September A14 network statistics (ie UA and UAX)

DL 89.11%
UA 86.67%
AA 85.61%
WN 84.36%

I must ask however what does any of this have to do with a, never going to happen, just stop it already Hunter Kelly, merger between UA/B6?
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:49 pm

msycajun wrote:
UA could grow faster and with less complication on its own for the amount of money they'd have to pay and regulatory hoops through which they'd have to jump.


:checkmark: Not to mention the assets the combined company would have to divest to satisfy regulators would be snatched up by other formidable competitors. Allowing DL or AA to pick up more slots at JFK while reducing the current B6 footprint would greatly reduce the benefit of any merger in the NY area. Worse yet, creating an opportunity for a certain "self-proclaimed, low-cost" carrier to infest yet another major airport that they've been locked out of until now would be letting the camel's nose under the tent again.

Work group integration would be a multi-year financial drain as well. 10 years down the road, it might look like a genius merger on a route map but the years needed to absorb and integrate the two companies would be too costly and painful.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:58 pm

Adipocere wrote:
UA/B6 would creat a significantly large mega-airline. Would this force Wall Streets hand to push for a DL/AA merger in response? Or would that set off a race between DL and AA to merge with WN not be left out as the bridesmaid with no one left to merge with?


I'm guessing your being sarcastic
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:01 pm

Is anyone else getting sick of the merger stuff yet? I am all for United being successful, but... I am a no go on losing B6. It's getting harder and harder to have choices when flying.
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:23 pm

Am I seriously the only one who thinks this idea is absolutely ridiculous?
 
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Re: UA/B6 Merger Rumors Floating Again

Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:24 pm

IPFreely wrote:
This is correct. The "story" was made up, er, written, by one guy. And he provides zero evidence that it is anything but him making stuff up for his own agenda, most likely just a way to get attention.


Bears repeating over and over and over again.

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