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Qantas to take delivery of 1st 787-9 this Tuesday (17 Oct), next route for 787-9 may be announced this week

Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:11 pm

Welcome to the official thread of the delivery of the first 787-9 for Qantas.

The delivery ceremony is expected to take place at PAE at 10am local time this Tuesday, the 17th of October. It is expected that the name of the aircraft will be revealed at the delivery ceremony. VH-ZNA will then depart PAE at 12pm local time as QF7879 and arrive in HNL at 1450 local time. QF7879 will then depart HNL on Wednesday at 2345 local time and will arrive in SYD at 710 on Friday morning (20th October). Once VH-ZNA arrives in SYD it will end up in Hangar 96 (opposite T3) for its official welcome where it expected some Qantas employees along with media will attend the event.

The arrival of the 787-9 for Qantas will open up new routes that were not possible beforehand. Qantas has previously referred to the 787-9 as a game changer, while this term is used way too often, with the routes the 787-9 will be able to fly for Qantas will be different to what we have seen in the past. Routes announced so far are MEL-LAX and MEL-PER-LHR. The previous game changing aircraft Qantas took delivery of was the 747. Refer to the following link on its delivery back in 1971.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/retrospective- ... -jumbo-jet

The next route for the 787-9 may be announced on Friday of which there is word that it could be BNE-ORD. Along with this announcement the word is the 5 non ER 744's that the 787-9's were due to replace will now replace 2 744's. The remaining 3 being (VH-OJS, VH-OJT and VH-OJU) and expected to be kept for another 4 years.

VH-ZNA will be the 320th aircraft delivered to the Qantas Group (including its heritage airline, Australian Airlines) from Boeing or Boeing Heritage since 1959. This includes every aircraft built by Boeing with the exception of the 777. Some of the major types Qantas has operated in the past incudes 737's (125), 747's (59), 767's (40) and 707's (36)

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... rtnership/

For those who have pictures of the Qantas 787-9 on its delivery flight please share below, the more the merrier. For those who wish to follow on social media, the official tags are #QantasDreamliner @Qantas @Boeing.

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Re: Qantas to take delivery of 1st 787-9 this Tuesday (17 Oct), next route for 787-9 may be announced this week

Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:09 pm

Speaking in Seattle ahead of the delivery of the airline's first Boeing 787-9, which will arrive into Sydney on Friday October 20, Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce confirmed that the Brisbane-LA route currently flown by a Boeing 747 "will be replaced with a (Boeing) 787."


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Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:16 pm

Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:21 pm

texl1649 wrote:
Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...

SYD-DFW?
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:23 pm

do we have any idea what the first QF 789 will be called?
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:32 pm

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VH-ZNA will then depart PAE at 12pm local time as QF7879 and arrive in HNL at 1450 local time. QF7879 will then depart HNL on Wednesday at 2345 local time and will arrive in SYD at 710 on Friday morning (20th October).

The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:10 pm

I do think BNE-ORD maybjave the edge over DFW, and Im hoping for a new dot on the QF route map.
ORD would be NZ to the punch, QLD has a strong tourism pull of its own, and allows for connections to most of AU with minimal back tracking.

ORD was first talked about by QF in modern times from MEL-LAX-ORD prior to sep11, but this didn’t happen.

I just can’t see SEA happening, is AA strong there? AS maybe but they don’t have the strength of a partnership, especially if the QF/AA JV was approved. Is it possible to pull the number of states of pax travelling to SEA, ex-AU.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:28 pm

Speedalive wrote:
The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?


I imagine it's for PR purposes - the plane is on the ground in HNL close to 9 hours.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:35 pm

Speedalive wrote:
qf789 wrote:
VH-ZNA will then depart PAE at 12pm local time as QF7879 and arrive in HNL at 1450 local time. QF7879 will then depart HNL on Wednesday at 2345 local time and will arrive in SYD at 710 on Friday morning (20th October).

The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?


Yes, you are. You're assuming it's because the aircraft doesn't have the capability when there's probably some sort of logistical or operational reason for it.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:36 pm

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I do think BNE-ORD maybjave the edge over DFW, and Im hoping for a new dot on the QF route map.
ORD would be NZ to the punch, QLD has a strong tourism pull of its own, and allows for connections to most of AU with minimal back tracking.

ORD was first talked about by QF in modern times from MEL-LAX-ORD prior to sep11, but this didn’t happen.

I just can’t see SEA happening, is AA strong there? AS maybe but they don’t have the strength of a partnership, especially if the QF/AA JV was approved. Is it possible to pull the number of states of pax travelling to SEA, ex-AU.


QF and AS do have a fairly extensive codeshare partnership. I don't think SEA is far fetched, but it would be from SYD. BNE-ORD has the edge because it is stretching the aircrafts range whereas SEA is comfortably possible from SYD.
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:46 pm

Speedalive wrote:
qf789 wrote:
VH-ZNA will then depart PAE at 12pm local time as QF7879 and arrive in HNL at 1450 local time. QF7879 will then depart HNL on Wednesday at 2345 local time and will arrive in SYD at 710 on Friday morning (20th October).

The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?


You are missing the fact the delivery flight sectors are timed for maximum media coverage/festivities in USA & OZ.. Delivery in PAE at 10AM, with a HNL stopover being part of the festivities for those onboard (MEDIA:)) Landing time 7AM SYD. If the flight was direct this would not be achievable. That's the simplified version of why :)
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:48 pm

I'll be heading to SYD on Friday morning to get some photos of the historic arrival. Fingers crossed that the weather is good.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:58 pm

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Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...


I'd love to see the breakdown of the two flights being cheaper. If so and an airline can swing it, offering two flights a day is always better than one as long as they can be filled at a profit making margin. Very strong words from someone who has a wealth of experience in operating the A380.
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Re: Qantas to take delivery of 1st 787-9 this Tuesday (17 Oct), next route for 787-9 may be announced this week

Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:59 pm

texl1649 wrote:
Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...

Digging in a bit deeper:
  • 787 x 2: 00F + 84J + 56W + 332Y = 472 pax
  • A380: 14F + 64J + 35W + 371Y = 484 pax
So:
  • 2 x 787 have more premium (F+J+W) seats than 1 x A380, although given the A380 has First Class, the revenue may be a wash. The A380 carries more Y pax than 2 x 787.
  • 2 x 787 have ~30% of their seats as F/J/W, whereas the A380 has ~24%.

It seems the A380 is more densely configured than 2 x 787, but the 787 still comes out cheaper. That to me says a lot about QF not wanting to take more A380s down the road. A lot of the argument here on A.net is that if the A380 were configured more densely, it would win out on even the newer generation twins. If we take Joyce's words at face value, then it appears that the new generation twins are in a different league compared to the A380.

However, the caveat here is that the A380 does carry more First Class seats, so if QF can command a price premium, then the revenue generated by 1 A380 flight may still offset any cost delta over the 2 x 787 flights. The A380 also has more seats in Y, but for a route like SYD-DFW where a portion of the Y seats get blocked one way, switching to the 787 and upping frequency may be the way to go.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:19 pm

Speedalive wrote:
qf789 wrote:
VH-ZNA will then depart PAE at 12pm local time as QF7879 and arrive in HNL at 1450 local time. QF7879 will then depart HNL on Wednesday at 2345 local time and will arrive in SYD at 710 on Friday morning (20th October).

The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?


They flight half way & then spend the night so they only use 1 crew.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:20 pm

texl1649 wrote:
Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...


That is a nice benefit if the airport on either end is not constrained. Then 1 A380 would be better than 1 787.
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:25 pm

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However, the caveat here is that the A380 does carry more First Class seats, so if QF can command a price premium, then the revenue generated by 1 A380 flight may still offset any cost delta over the 2 x 787 flights.


I am guessing Qantas is not installing First on these 787's because the cabin is not generating the revenue necessary to support it's continued existence. For some time now Qantas has used the First Class cabin remaining on the handful (now two) 747-400s for complimentary upgrades from Business for high-tier frequent fliers, leaving only the A380s where the cabin is sold at F fares.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:32 pm

NeBaNi wrote:
texl1649 wrote:
Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...

Digging in a bit deeper:
  • 787 x 2: 00F + 84J + 56W + 332Y = 472 pax
  • A380: 14F + 64J + 35W + 371Y = 484 pax
So:
  • 2 x 787 have more premium (F+J+W) seats than 1 x A380, although given the A380 has First Class, the revenue may be a wash. The A380 carries more Y pax than 2 x 787.
  • 2 x 787 have ~30% of their seats as F/J/W, whereas the A380 has ~24%.

It seems the A380 is more densely configured than 2 x 787, but the 787 still comes out cheaper. That to me says a lot about QF not wanting to take more A380s down the road. A lot of the argument here on A.net is that if the A380 were configured more densely, it would win out on even the newer generation twins. If we take Joyce's words at face value, then it appears that the new generation twins are in a different league compared to the A380.

However, the caveat here is that the A380 does carry more First Class seats, so if QF can command a price premium, then the revenue generated by 1 A380 flight may still offset any cost delta over the 2 x 787 flights. The A380 also has more seats in Y, but for a route like SYD-DFW where a portion of the Y seats get blocked one way, switching to the 787 and upping frequency may be the way to go.


Also the fact that the 787 has greater salable cargo capacity after passenger loads adds in to the equation. Also the large Y seat count even if not blocked does not make the ULR flights money. The J & W do.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:05 pm

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qf789 wrote:
VH-ZNA will then depart PAE at 12pm local time as QF7879 and arrive in HNL at 1450 local time. QF7879 will then depart HNL on Wednesday at 2345 local time and will arrive in SYD at 710 on Friday morning (20th October).

The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?


Ill add another possibility - this flight will not be revenue generating. Perhaps one stop via HNL is a much lower fuel cost than filling it in PAE for the whole flight?
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:28 pm

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Speedalive wrote:
The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?


I imagine it's for PR purposes - the plane is on the ground in HNL close to 9 hours.


It will be on the ground at HNL for over a day

You are correct on the PR purposes, the early arrival into SYD is for maximum PR benefit. From what I have heard there will be at least 30 people aboard the delivery flight as well
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:32 pm

NeBaNi wrote:
texl1649 wrote:
Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...

Digging in a bit deeper:
  • 787 x 2: 00F + 84J + 56W + 332Y = 472 pax
  • A380: 14F + 64J + 35W + 371Y = 484 pax
So:
  • 2 x 787 have more premium (F+J+W) seats than 1 x A380, although given the A380 has First Class, the revenue may be a wash. The A380 carries more Y pax than 2 x 787.
  • 2 x 787 have ~30% of their seats as F/J/W, whereas the A380 has ~24%.

It seems the A380 is more densely configured than 2 x 787, but the 787 still comes out cheaper. That to me says a lot about QF not wanting to take more A380s down the road. A lot of the argument here on A.net is that if the A380 were configured more densely, it would win out on even the newer generation twins. If we take Joyce's words at face value, then it appears that the new generation twins are in a different league compared to the A380.

However, the caveat here is that the A380 does carry more First Class seats, so if QF can command a price premium, then the revenue generated by 1 A380 flight may still offset any cost delta over the 2 x 787 flights. The A380 also has more seats in Y, but for a route like SYD-DFW where a portion of the Y seats get blocked one way, switching to the 787 and upping frequency may be the way to go.


The other factor (in addition to freight) is that the twins don’t have to be identically configured or even the same series. Route planning flexibility over a calendar year (and longer) is greater with the twins. Finally, the incremental impact of a tech issue on a plane is much lower of course (such as if an engine blows up over Greenland etc).
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:46 pm

A large part of me is thinking that surely the ultimate PR payoff for QF would be a repeat of VH-OJA's performance in 1989 - delivered LHR-SYD non-stop as QF7441.
 
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:22 am

Qantas wont be ordering any more 787's until 2018 at the earliest

Joyce said that the airline would look to ordering more Dreamliners from 2018, pulling from its current book of 45 orders and options, but "there will be a gap" between signing on the dotted line and being haned over the keys.
"We do need to bed down the (Boeing 787) operation, we  want to demonstrate to the market and our shareholders that these 787s are making economic sense and we can make a good profit and return (from them)."
Next year we’ll have to start making calls (and) there are some that come available from the end of 2019 to 2020."


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The LAX one should continue on to JFK to save Qantas money on landing fees at JFK. Currently, it's the Brisbane one that continues on to New York.
 
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:59 am

texl1649 wrote:
NeBaNi wrote:
texl1649 wrote:
Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...

Digging in a bit deeper:
  • 787 x 2: 00F + 84J + 56W + 332Y = 472 pax
  • A380: 14F + 64J + 35W + 371Y = 484 pax
So:
  • 2 x 787 have more premium (F+J+W) seats than 1 x A380, although given the A380 has First Class, the revenue may be a wash. The A380 carries more Y pax than 2 x 787.
  • 2 x 787 have ~30% of their seats as F/J/W, whereas the A380 has ~24%.

It seems the A380 is more densely configured than 2 x 787, but the 787 still comes out cheaper. That to me says a lot about QF not wanting to take more A380s down the road. A lot of the argument here on A.net is that if the A380 were configured more densely, it would win out on even the newer generation twins. If we take Joyce's words at face value, then it appears that the new generation twins are in a different league compared to the A380.

However, the caveat here is that the A380 does carry more First Class seats, so if QF can command a price premium, then the revenue generated by 1 A380 flight may still offset any cost delta over the 2 x 787 flights. The A380 also has more seats in Y, but for a route like SYD-DFW where a portion of the Y seats get blocked one way, switching to the 787 and upping frequency may be the way to go.


The other factor (in addition to freight) is that the twins don’t have to be identically configured or even the same series. Route planning flexibility over a calendar year (and longer) is greater with the twins. Finally, the incremental impact of a tech issue on a plane is much lower of course (such as if an engine blows up over Greenland etc).


Surely, the determining factor would be capital cost. If the incremental acquisition price for 2 x 789 is cheaper or on par with 1 x A380 then 789 will generate better returns, or vice versa.
 
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The LAX one should continue on to JFK to save Qantas money on landing fees at JFK. Currently, it's the Brisbane one that continues on to New York.


BNE-LAX-JFK will go 789 later in 2018. The MEL-LAX frame is only at LAX a few hours.
 
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:20 am

Hope it's MEL-DFW, SYD-DFW, and BNE-DFW.
Hope to see 3 789's at DFW at one time!

SYD-ORD also ok.
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:24 am

NeBaNi wrote:
texl1649 wrote:
Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...

Digging in a bit deeper:
  • 787 x 2: 00F + 84J + 56W + 332Y = 472 pax
  • A380: 14F + 64J + 35W + 371Y = 484 pax
So:
  • 2 x 787 have more premium (F+J+W) seats than 1 x A380, although given the A380 has First Class, the revenue may be a wash. The A380 carries more Y pax than 2 x 787.
  • 2 x 787 have ~30% of their seats as F/J/W, whereas the A380 has ~24%.

It seems the A380 is more densely configured than 2 x 787, but the 787 still comes out cheaper. That to me says a lot about QF not wanting to take more A380s down the road. A lot of the argument here on A.net is that if the A380 were configured more densely, it would win out on even the newer generation twins. If we take Joyce's words at face value, then it appears that the new generation twins are in a different league compared to the A380.

However, the caveat here is that the A380 does carry more First Class seats, so if QF can command a price premium, then the revenue generated by 1 A380 flight may still offset any cost delta over the 2 x 787 flights. The A380 also has more seats in Y, but for a route like SYD-DFW where a portion of the Y seats get blocked one way, switching to the 787 and upping frequency may be the way to go.


QF are reconfiguring the 380s to 14F70J60W331Y which will closely mirror 2x787s.

This comment by AJ foreshadows the 388 coming off SYD-DFW and being replaced by a daily 789 to syd anf 3pw to BNE with 4pw to MEL. Perhaps this is the plan for the final two 789s. The 388s from DFW would go back to Asia. Or I can see a possible retime to add a second SYD-LAX PM departure along with a daytime departure ex LAX to help grow the market and increase utilisation.
 
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:07 am

qf2220 wrote:
Speedalive wrote:
qf789 wrote:
VH-ZNA will then depart PAE at 12pm local time as QF7879 and arrive in HNL at 1450 local time. QF7879 will then depart HNL on Wednesday at 2345 local time and will arrive in SYD at 710 on Friday morning (20th October).

The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?


Ill add another possibility - this flight will not be revenue generating. Perhaps one stop via HNL is a much lower fuel cost than filling it in PAE for the whole flight?


Fuel is cheaper in PAE, and if they are buying from Boeing that may get it even cheaper. I agree the HNL stop is the make the best timing for PR events on both ends (PAE & SYD). Plus who wouldn't want to spend a day in Hawaii
 
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:41 am

texl1649 wrote:
Per ostrower on Twitter:

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says two 787-9s carry the same number of passengers as an A380, but two 787 flights are “a bit cheaper” than one A380.

Hmmmm...

Not really a surprise considering that the A380s have big First cabins....

Stitch wrote:
I am guessing Qantas is not installing First on these 787's because the cabin is not generating the revenue necessary to support it's continued existence.

I've had the same impression. Very hard for the airline when only one aircraft type even has a First cabin. I was very surprised that they're keeping the First cabin after the A380 refits in 2019.
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It seems the A380 is more densely configured than 2 x 787, but the 787 still comes out cheaper. That to me says a lot about QF not wanting to take more A380s down the road. A lot of the argument here on A.net is that if the A380 were configured more densely, it would win out on even the newer generation twins. If we take Joyce's words at face value, then it appears that the new generation twins are in a different league compared to the A380.


It's a difference of just 12 seats, the argument was that a more densely A380 would have to offer some 50 additional seats to improve the cost per seat over newer generation aircraft.
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:08 am

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Stitch wrote:
Speedalive wrote:
The plane can do PER-LHR but can’t do direct to Australia from PAE on a delivery flight? Am I missing something?


I imagine it's for PR purposes - the plane is on the ground in HNL close to 9 hours.


It will be on the ground at HNL for over a day

You are correct on the PR purposes, the early arrival into SYD is for maximum PR benefit. From what I have heard there will be at least 30 people aboard the delivery flight as well



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Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:16 am

Just to clear the air the delivery via HNL is for a number of reasons, PR, crew rest and a buffer should there be any delays.

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Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:22 am

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Surely, the determining factor would be capital cost. If the incremental acquisition price for 2 x 789 is cheaper or on par with 1 x A380 then 789 will generate better returns, or vice versa.


Based on Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017 two 787-9s would be more expensive than a single A380. I'd argue the determining factor is the lower fuel bill as the cost per seat of the 787 would be significantly lower.
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:26 pm

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do we have any idea what the first QF 789 will be called?


We have discussed this on the Australian Aviation thread and most think it will wither be Dreamtime or Great Southern Land
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Hey guys,
Count me in to be there on Friday morning ... looking good to spend Thursday night at the Rydges to celebrate and be ready!
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:46 pm

There's whispers circulating about PER-CDG, I'm skeptical tho. Info comes from a mediocre tourism exec.
 
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There's whispers circulating about PER-CDG, I'm skeptical tho. Info comes from a mediocre tourism exec.


PER-CDG was first rumored some time ago, then it went cold. Though being from PER would love to see that eventuate however I think QF need to let PER-LHR settle before launching other flights to CDG and FRA. However saying that it may help the case of PER-AKL going year round
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:02 pm

When will 787 BNE-LAX-JFK happen? I want to take it 5 months from now but hope I can still get a ride on the 747. I assume they won't have enough 787s by then yet?
 
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When will 787 BNE-LAX-JFK happen? I want to take it 5 months from now but hope I can still get a ride on the 747. I assume they won't have enough 787s by then yet?


I would say it will happen not until September next year. Frames 1-4 will be tied up doing MEL-LAX and MEL-PER-LHR. Frames 5 and 6 will arrive in July and August 2018
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:53 pm

Some interesting comments from EK's Tim Clark on QF and the 787

“I think its trip economics, its bottom line, is going to be fantastic,” said Emirates president Tim Clark. “I’m sure Alan and his planner know exactly (what they will be able to do with the plane).”
Sir Tim said the non-stop Perth-to-London route that starts in March next year “will be a real litmus test to see how that works with the cabin size in economy”.
“But given the strength of that particular market, I’m sure he will fill the airplanes all the time,” Sir Tim said.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 4e33840fb8
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:30 pm

My bets are:

They formally announce SYD-DFW going to 2x daily on 789s

Or

They formally announce BNE-DFW 1x daily on 789s

Or

They announce the dates for BNE-LAX-JFK on 789s

And finally, this is a interesting one

A temporary SYD-BNE-ORD 789 flight (until they can do SYD-ORD on a 77X).
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:00 pm

TryToFlySomeday wrote:
My bets are:
They formally announce SYD-DFW going to 2x daily on 789s
Or
They formally announce BNE-DFW 1x daily on 789s
Or
They announce the dates for BNE-LAX-JFK on 789s
And finally, this is a interesting one
A temporary SYD-BNE-ORD 789 flight (until they can do SYD-ORD on a 77X).

IMHO:
1) I doubt it, what other work for the A380?
2) I really doubt it! MEL-DFW far more likely
3) The flight will be announced as SYD-LAX-JFK, the aircraft will come from BNE exactly as happens now with QF 107/108 NOW.
4) This will be SYD-ORD-BNE-SYD exactly as DFW was. The traffic is still heavily SYD the biased aircraft will be based in BNE
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:26 pm

Stitch wrote:
NeBaNi wrote:
However, the caveat here is that the A380 does carry more First Class seats, so if QF can command a price premium, then the revenue generated by 1 A380 flight may still offset any cost delta over the 2 x 787 flights.


I am guessing Qantas is not installing First on these 787's because the cabin is not generating the revenue necessary to support it's continued existence. For some time now Qantas has used the First Class cabin remaining on the handful (now two) 747-400s for complimentary upgrades from Business for high-tier frequent fliers, leaving only the A380s where the cabin is sold at F fares.


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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:26 pm

Gemuser wrote:
TryToFlySomeday wrote:
My bets are:
They formally announce SYD-DFW going to 2x daily on 789s
Or
They formally announce BNE-DFW 1x daily on 789s
Or
They announce the dates for BNE-LAX-JFK on 789s
And finally, this is a interesting one
A temporary SYD-BNE-ORD 789 flight (until they can do SYD-ORD on a 77X).

IMHO:
1) I doubt it, what other work for the A380?
2) I really doubt it! MEL-DFW far more likely
3) The flight will be announced as SYD-LAX-JFK, the aircraft will come from BNE exactly as happens now with QF 107/108 NOW.
4) This will be SYD-ORD-BNE-SYD exactly as DFW was. The traffic is still heavily SYD the biased aircraft will be based in BNE
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You mean QF11 / QF12? The original number QF107 / QF108 was reallocated to the PEK service.

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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:28 pm

Gemuser wrote:
TryToFlySomeday wrote:
My bets are:
They formally announce SYD-DFW going to 2x daily on 789s
Or
They formally announce BNE-DFW 1x daily on 789s
Or
They announce the dates for BNE-LAX-JFK on 789s
And finally, this is a interesting one
A temporary SYD-BNE-ORD 789 flight (until they can do SYD-ORD on a 77X).

IMHO:
1) I doubt it, what other work for the A380?
2) I really doubt it! MEL-DFW far more likely
3) The flight will be announced as SYD-LAX-JFK, the aircraft will come from BNE exactly as happens now with QF 107/108 NOW.
4) This will be SYD-ORD-BNE-SYD exactly as DFW was. The traffic is still heavily SYD the biased aircraft will be based in BNE
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Joyce has already hinted at DFW possibly switching to 2x 789
 
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:38 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
TryToFlySomeday wrote:
My bets are:
They formally announce SYD-DFW going to 2x daily on 789s
Or
They formally announce BNE-DFW 1x daily on 789s
Or
They announce the dates for BNE-LAX-JFK on 789s
And finally, this is a interesting one
A temporary SYD-BNE-ORD 789 flight (until they can do SYD-ORD on a 77X).

IMHO:
1) I doubt it, what other work for the A380?
2) I really doubt it! MEL-DFW far more likely
3) The flight will be announced as SYD-LAX-JFK, the aircraft will come from BNE exactly as happens now with QF 107/108 NOW.
4) This will be SYD-ORD-BNE-SYD exactly as DFW was. The traffic is still heavily SYD the biased aircraft will be based in BNE
My 2c worth
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Joyce has already hinted at DFW possibly switching to 2x 789


But we know it won't be happening now; with LAX/JFK now committed as a 787 route they don't have enough 787s on order to operate 2xDFW. The last two will either launch a new route (ORD, SEA) or be used to increase DFW to 388+789 (from somewhere).
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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:40 pm

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Some interesting comments from EK's Tim Clark on QF and the 787

“I think its trip economics, its bottom line, is going to be fantastic,” said Emirates president Tim Clark. “I’m sure Alan and his planner know exactly (what they will be able to do with the plane).”
Sir Tim said the non-stop Perth-to-London route that starts in March next year “will be a real litmus test to see how that works with the cabin size in economy”.
“But given the strength of that particular market, I’m sure he will fill the airplanes all the time,” Sir Tim said.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 4e33840fb8




So TC reckons qantas will have no problem filling PEr LHr because of the strength of the local market.

I thought airliner.net opinion was that it needed feed from the eastern states to work.

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Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:43 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
IMHO:
1) I doubt it, what other work for the A380?
2) I really doubt it! MEL-DFW far more likely
3) The flight will be announced as SYD-LAX-JFK, the aircraft will come from BNE exactly as happens now with QF 107/108 NOW.
4) This will be SYD-ORD-BNE-SYD exactly as DFW was. The traffic is still heavily SYD the biased aircraft will be based in BNE
My 2c worth
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Joyce has already hinted at DFW possibly switching to 2x 789


But we know it won't be happening now; with LAX/JFK now committed as a 787 route they don't have enough 787s on order to operate 2xDFW. The last two will either launch a new route (ORD, SEA) or be used to increase DFW to 388+789 (from somewhere).


DFW or ORD make sense (yes, I’m biased). Each has advantages.

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