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Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:29 am

Qantas is eyeing both the 737MAX and the future 797 as future replacements of its domestic fleet replacing the current 737-800's and A330-200's. An order is not likely to be placed for a few years however when the time comes Qantas will put out a RFP to both manufacturers with Boeing being favored at this point in time.

While the 797 could mainly be used for domestic routes of which includes PER-SYD/MEL/BNE, MEL/SYD and BNE/SYD it would allow other routes that could be affected by congestion such as DRW-SYD/BNE/MEL/PER, BNE-MEL, SYD-CNS to name a few, it may also be considered for thinner routes into Asia.

But congestion at Australia's major airports is also putting Boeing's all-new 'mid-market' jet – which is expected to be called the 797 – on Qantas' radar.
"We're keen on the new wide-body which Boeing is looking at," Joyce added, "which is fantastic for transcontinental flights and maybe to Asia, the economics on paper look every good."


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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:35 pm

And what about QF order for 100 32xNeo? Cant imagine all will go to JQ
 
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:37 pm

ZEDZAG wrote:
And what about QF order for 100 32xNeo? Cant imagine all will go to JQ


Some of those could end up at 3K and GK
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:48 pm

I think the Max 10 will do for them
 
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:03 pm

Looks like they are planning to order the 737 MAX 10 soon.
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:01 pm

SQ789 wrote:
Looks like they are planning to order the 737 MAX 10 soon.

Is this new info?, is there a link?
 
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:56 pm

In addition to the order for 99 NEO's, QF still have 4-5 CEO's originally intended for Jetstar Japan and Hong Kong on short term leases with other carriers. These aircraft are starting to find their way back into the Jetstar fleets.

Eighteen NEO's have already been commited to the Australian operations. I suspect 4-5 aircraft (replacement) will be commited to the Asia operation with the rest to be shared between Japan (growth) and Vietnam (growth).

The delivery time frame for the remaining aircraft is probably spread over tenyears, so there will be plenty of opportunity for these aircraft to be taken up without QANTAS
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:55 am

chiki wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
Looks like they are planning to order the 737 MAX 10 soon.

Is this new info?, is there a link?

Rumours only
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:19 am

I think I've seen the words "QF or Qantas" along with an order speculation for just about every aircraft type by now.
 
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:44 am

RL777 wrote:
I think I've seen the words "QF or Qantas" along with an order speculation for just about every aircraft type by now.


Yep and almost every week we have threads on what is happening with the QF fleet and orders when it is one of the most stagnated airlines around.

Just more cheap advertising for the airline.
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:33 am

zeke wrote:
RL777 wrote:
I think I've seen the words "QF or Qantas" along with an order speculation for just about every aircraft type by now.


Yep and almost every week we have threads on what is happening with the QF fleet and orders when it is one of the most stagnated airlines around.

Just more cheap advertising for the airline.


There actually is a dedicated Qantas Fleet thread, It was originally for repaints and wifi install, but now seems to have become for everything.
 
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:39 am

I didnt know airbus could produce 737max and 797s... how could they be eyeing both manufacturers for those a/cs?
 
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:18 am

Having a big A321NEO backlog & infrastructure, I see little advantages of adding 737-10's to the Qantas fleet.

Frankly there is nothing this aircraft can add, while the incoming A321s do in terms of range, payload, cargo, performance, engine choice, comfort and Jetstar fleet commonality.

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So limited opportunity for Boeing here it seems.
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:55 am

keesje wrote:
Having a big A321NEO backlog & infrastructure, I see little advantages of adding 737-10's to the Qantas fleet.

Frankly there is nothing this aircraft can add, while the incoming A321s do in terms of range, payload, cargo, performance, engine choice, comfort and Jetstar fleet commonality.

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So limited opportunity for Boeing here it seems.


I kind a think this is a 'talking loudly' ploy to get better deals from Airbus. The 738's will not be leaving the fleet anytime soon, but additional narrowbody aircraft will need to be ordered soon for natural growth in the domestic market.

The replacement for the Fokker 100s will also need to be found soon too as the aircraft are very long in the tooth, although they might be replaced by used JQ a320s.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:09 am

Pcoder wrote:
I kind a think this is a 'talking loudly' ploy to get better deals from Airbus. The 738's will not be leaving the fleet anytime soon, but additional narrowbody aircraft will need to be ordered soon for natural growth in the domestic market.

The replacement for the Fokker 100s will also need to be found soon too as the aircraft are very long in the tooth, although they might be replaced by used JQ a320s.


I think the F100 / 717 are used for operations with higher risks of FOD related engine damages.
A320 / 737 or EJets with their low engine-runway clearances are less suitable for those flights.
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:15 am

keesje wrote:
Having a big A321NEO backlog & infrastructure, I see little advantages of adding 737-10's to the Qantas fleet.

So limited opportunity for Boeing here it seems.


Aside from the fact that all Airbus orders are assigned to Jetstar (and franchises) and Qantas mainline has never operated A320s. The 737-MAX10 has ample range for domestic trans-con and Tasman flying, which is realistically all they need it for. I'm not saying that Qantas mainline will definitely not operate the A320neo family in the future, but IMHO the chances are no better than 50:50.
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:52 am

keesje wrote:
Having a big A321NEO backlog & infrastructure, I see little advantages of adding 737-10's to the Qantas fleet.

Frankly there is nothing this aircraft can add, while the incoming A321s do in terms of range, payload, cargo, performance, engine choice, comfort and Jetstar fleet commonality.


QF isn't ordering a 738 replacement yet, they are looking to supplement the existing fleet with a bit of extra capacity and something a bit larger to help keep on top of slot restraints at SYD. They aren't going to invest in the A321 if the order is only for 10-12 aircraft, especially given most would only be used for the very short east coast shuttles where any advantage that the A321 offers is going to be pretty minimal.

The MAX10 is the cheap/simple option, is capable of flying anything that is currently operated by the 738 and I'm sure Boeing would be willing to virtually give 737s away if it was part of a larger deal that included a commitment to the 797 and/or further 787s (or even 777Xs though that order isn't likely until 2019).
 
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:52 am

I'm sticking with what I believe will happen.

Qantas link will be expanded with whatever they can get their hands on cheaply, and fly into places currently served by 738's.

The freed up 738's will go to provide more capacity in the golden triangle of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

I believe this is already happening.


Qantas main line will not order the MAX or 320 series, they will wait for the narrow body 797, and then operate a smaller number of larger aircraft.

If I'm wrong then my next guess is the MAX 10.

In the short term Qantas capital will be going into wide bodies. (imo more 787 & the 778). Thus one pilot rating from domestic narrow body through 787 to 778, and eventually 779
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Re: Qantas eyes 737MAX and future 797 for future domestic fleet

Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:20 pm

If you read this article, this thread is based upon, the last sentence says it all:

David Flynn is visiting Seattle as a guest of Qantas and Boeing.

That does really says it all.

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