Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Balloonchaser · Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:34 am

Where is it out

Midwestindy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:39 am

Balloonchaser wrote:
Where is it out

Just look at the route map, or if you go on their website the schedule is extended through August 6th I believe.

WNflyer1523 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:46 am

Midwestindy wrote:
The schedule is out! IND-OAK/SAN added!

MKE-SAN/SFO is back

Anything from ISP, MHT, or BDL?

zackary747 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:48 am

Midwestindy wrote:
The schedule is out! IND-OAK/SAN added!

MKE-SAN/SFO is back

About time we got OAK. I really wonder when WN plans to do anything from BNA. Such as, to IND and ATL. I'd love to know their timeline on that.

I can see them adding OAK first as it seems like WN is focusing on competition markets first (Bay area), and monopoly areas later.

Midwestindy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:50 am

WNflyer1523 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
The schedule is out! IND-OAK/SAN added!

MKE-SAN/SFO is back

Anything from ISP, MHT, or BDL?

For the moment I am not seeing anything

ADrum23 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:51 am

I’m not seeing anything from BNA, again.......

flydulles · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:09 am

Did Dulles get anything?

BayAreaFlyer · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:10 am

WN adds three new nonstop routes from Oakland (OAK):

−San Antonio (SAT) begins July 8, 2018
−Indianapolis (IND) begins July 16, 2018
−Minneapolis St. Paul (MSP) begins July 16, 2018

knope2001 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:16 am

MKE looks like the pretty standard summer schedule including the resumption of SFO, SAN and SEA. SEA this summer will have mainline Delta, mainline Southwest and E75 Alaska. I'm pretty sure SEA will end with the fall schedule but it will be interesting to see if SFO and SAN continue on.

The other thing is a MAX finally makes it to MKE, one of the LAS flights. The morning MKE-DCA and evening DCA-MKE is a 175-seat 800 as well which is good to see.

So far other than IND-OAK I haven't found anything notable new or ending in the schedule.

zackary747 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:21 am

Is the IND-OAK seasonal or year around? Also, what's the frequency?

Midwestindy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:21 am

stl07 wrote:
http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2017/10/whats_next_for_cleveland_hopki.html#incart_river_home

This article vaguely hints at STL-IND by saying WN wants to expand in short hop midwestern routes after discussing the new STL-CLE route.

I doubt IND-STL is going to happen, I think WN seems to be overflying STL on a lot of routes now out of IND (LAX, PHX, OAK, SAN, LAS, DEN, MCI, DAL, AUS, and HOU).

Midwestindy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:22 am

zackary747 wrote:
Is the IND-OAK seasonal or year around? Also, what's the frequency?

1x daily (mon-sun), will have to wait until official press release to see whether it will be year-round...

That makes UA (2x daily), VX (1x daily), and WN (1x daily) from IND to Bay Area this summer, pretty impressive...

knope2001 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:30 am

Looks like Flint bites the dust with this schedule. GRR and GSP (two other routes which went to short-hub hub-feed flights the same tine Flint did) are still there.

Wichita might be in trouble -- flights all show "sold out" with the new schedule. I've never seen Southwest have that before -- usually flights are there and for sale or gone. Seems like a glitch but we'll see if the fix adds available seats to those flights or removes the flights (and thus ICT).

EDIT
Wichita has capacity for sale now. I tried multiple markets / multiple days and everything was sold out 15 minutes ago. All appears normal now. So far Flint is the only drop I'm finding.

SteveXC500 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:40 am

MSP gets Oakland and Dallas

mtnwest1979 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:53 am

BOI-MDW back for summer, but with lousy timings IMO. Also BOI-DAL Sat only nonstop.

jsposaune · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:16 pm

PIT-CUN as well...looks like Saturday only to start.

zackary747 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:32 pm

jsposaune wrote:
PIT-CUN as well...looks like Saturday only to start.

WN is slowly adding a lot out of CUN. Most of it is Sat. only seasonal atm.

Midwestindy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:32 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Looks like Flint bites the dust with this schedule. GRR and GSP (two other routes which went to short-hub hub-feed flights the same tine Flint did) are still there.

Wichita might be in trouble -- flights all show "sold out" with the new schedule. I've never seen Southwest have that before -- usually flights are there and for sale or gone. Seems like a glitch but we'll see if the fix adds available seats to those flights or removes the flights (and thus ICT).

EDIT
Wichita has capacity for sale now. I tried multiple markets / multiple days and everything was sold out 15 minutes ago. All appears normal now. So far Flint is the only drop I'm finding.

https://articles.mlive.com/news/flint/i ... s_plug.amp

flymco753 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:36 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
I’m not seeing anything from BNA, again.......

Its okay DTW got nothing, actually lost a BWI frequency. Oh well, because that’s a good thing for Spirit and Delta.

WNflyer1523 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:44 pm

ISP seems good, no lost flights, we even got another daily flight to TPA.

flyiguy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:45 pm

flydulles wrote:
Did Dulles get anything?

The Shaft Again!

FLY

Jshank83 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:50 pm

Looks like STL got its seasonal CHS daily and PNS Saturday flight back. Everything else looks similar to last year besides winter/spring route carry overs.

crazytoaster · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:50 pm

Outside of what other people found I see
Sat only service HOU-GCM
Sat only service DEN-ECP

I think both are new

SteveXC500 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:54 pm

I did some more digging at the MSP adds. DAL is Sunday-only. Seems strange.
OAK does not start until mid-July, instead of June. Is this when Hawaii will start up? Arrival in to OAK is 9:35 AM.

Edit: Did a search of all available MSP city pairs for 7/18/18 to match up where flights arrive from and depart to. I have a gap in all the MSP flights. WN159 arrives from MDW at 16:20. However, it does not turn out of MSP (basis 35-45 minute turns, matching flight #'s, etc within the MSP schedule). So, perhaps a flight is missing. I could speculate DAL did not load correctly (not really a Sunday only) and should turn out of MSP at 16:55, arriving DAL 19:25. Turn back at 20:00 and RON. I'm missing a RON flight in the schedule too. I show six flights which RON and the MSP-OAK flight does not have a flight arriving to match up at 7:35AM.

flyiguy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:06 pm

FLL & BWI gain a daily AUA flight ...MCO-AUA is axed, HOU added Saturday only service, BWI gets a second Saturday only roundtrip.

FLY

Jshank83 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:08 pm

Someone in here earlier was asking about the schedule update after this one. It is February 8th.

shadez · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:12 pm

FLL-SAT has been added.

ryanrap1 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:12 pm

YAY Oakland for SAT....
Did SAT get any other routes or frequency changes?

SteveXC500 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:13 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
Isn't there a blog that shows all the changes?

Probably later today.

community.southwest.com

Bobloblaw · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:13 pm

Isn't there a blog that shows all the changes?

flydulles · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:32 pm

anybody think hawaii be on the next schedule roll out due out feb 8 it says on southwest.com?

SteveXC500 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:35 pm

flydulles wrote:
anybody think hawaii be on the next schedule roll out due out feb 8 it says on southwest.com?

I feel like Hawaii will be its own announcement and NOT the standard schedule extension. Guessing we know in a month or so. When it starts is anyone's guess too.
Like I said in an earlier post, I think this is why MSP has a flight to OAK but the flight does not start with the earliest date (June 7th) in this current extension. Rather, it starts mid-July. Arrives OAK at 9:35AM. Perfect to hop on a connection at 10:30 for the islands.

flydulles · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:45 pm

It would be strange if there not in Hawaii by summer 2018 cause I think that is high time for most to fly over that way...

SteveXC500 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:52 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
I did some more digging at the MSP adds. DAL is Sunday-only. Seems strange.
OAK does not start until mid-July, instead of June. Is this when Hawaii will start up? Arrival in to OAK is 9:35 AM.

Edit: Did a search of all available MSP city pairs for 7/18/18 to match up where flights arrive from and depart to. I have a gap in all the MSP flights. WN159 arrives from MDW at 16:20. However, it does not turn out of MSP (basis 35-45 minute turns, matching flight #'s, etc within the MSP schedule). So, perhaps a flight is missing. I could speculate DAL did not load correctly (not really a Sunday only) and should turn out of MSP at 16:55, arriving DAL 19:25. Turn back at 20:00 and RON. I'm missing a RON flight in the schedule too. I show six flights which RON and the MSP-OAK flight does not have a flight arriving to match up at 7:35AM.

Quoting myself here...

After looking again at the schedule, the flight from OAK arrives MSP at 15:55. Using the standard 35 minute turn times at MSP for WN, there is no flight this plane turns to. I was incorrect in stating it was WN159 from MDW.

737max8 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:54 pm

Why is everyone looking for HI flights?

The only announcement was that WN will start selling HI flights in 2018. Never any indication of when service will start.

SteveXC500 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:58 pm

737max8 wrote:
Why is everyone looking for HI flights?

The only announcement was that WN will start selling HI flights in 2018. Never any indication of when service will start.

I'm not looking directly for them, only speculating on their announced starting date basis MSP getting a flight to the west coast.

msycajun · Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:11 pm

I'm not seeing any major changes for MSY, however there are a lot of Sunday additions, giving Sundays 9 more departures than weekdays. In addition to Sunday-only RDU, PIT, IND, CMH, SMF, and SJC, there's a 2nd PHX, MCI, SAT, a 3rd STL and DEN, 4th BNA. That's partially offset by two fewer HOU and one fewer DAL on the weekends for a total of 65 Sunday departures and 56 weekday.

cledaybuck · Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:15 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
I think this is why MSP has a flight to OAK but the flight does not start with the earliest date (June 7th) in this current extension. Rather, it starts mid-July.

I am guessing this is due to aircraft availability and not due to Hawaii.

SteveXC500 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:02 pm

^^^^
Could be as well. Maybe anticipating some deliveries to occur in June which would be required to fulfill this flight.

usflyguy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:06 pm

FNT is closing effective June 6, 2018

Buffalomatt1027 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:08 pm

Southwest needs to expand at BNIA / Buffalo. Southwest has been VERY successful there.

Dallas, Denver, Nashville

wnflyguy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:25 pm

GSP not showing up bookable either in July.

MDW gets SJU daily.

Flyguy

ucdtim17 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:29 pm

Odd to keep MKE to SFO instead of OAK. I guess they figure they have a niche there with no UA or AS/VX service, so take advantage of it while they can.

wnflyguy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:31 pm

usflyguy wrote:
FNT is closing effective June 6, 2018

This should have been AXED during the first wave of Taking over FL markets 5 yrs ago!

Flyguy

WNflyer1523 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:34 pm

It seems that markets like GSP and RIC are hanging on by the hairs on their head. The same could be said for FNT, and this morning they unfortunately joined the small list of cities/airports that WN has ever terminated.

I’m happy that ISP got some more flights, anyone know what it’s like at MHT?

TW787 · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:37 pm

Looks like some big wins for Alaska in here...

SFO-SNA reduced from 6 to 3...is this the only intra California market where Alaska has more frequency than Southwest now?

Both SNA and SAN to SJD are showing as exited
LAX to CUN and PVR are showing as exited

FATFlyer · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:52 pm

TW787 wrote:
Looks like some big wins for Alaska in here...

SFO-SNA reduced from 6 to 3...is this the only intra California market where Alaska has more frequency than Southwest now?

Both SNA and SAN to SJD are showing as exited
LAX to CUN and PVR are showing as exited

Southwest lost 7 slots at SNA in the 2018 reallocation. The only question about cuts there were which routes.

DeltaRules · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:52 pm

Looks like nothing new for CMH, though CMH-OAK remains on the map, so I'm guessing it was just a temporary victim of the Winter pulldown like STL was.

LotsaRunway · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:54 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
It seems that markets like GSP and RIC are hanging on by the hairs on their head. The same could be said for FNT, and this morning they unfortunately joined the small list of cities/airports that WN has ever terminated.

I’m happy that ISP got some more flights, anyone know what it’s like at MHT?

Just a quick glance, it appears MHT maybe lost a BWI and MCO frequency. BWI is 7 and MCO is 1. Not sure what they were in July 2017 though. Maybe MCO was just 1 then too.

PVD looks mostly whole. BWI is at 8 frequencies which might be down one. Don't like seeing a single FLL frequency, but maybe it's still good since they aren't the only one serving the route.

BOS looks stable with frequencies and several -800 upgrades.

phxtravelboy · Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:57 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
The schedule is out! IND-OAK/SAN added!

MKE-SAN/SFO is back

Whew!!!! I was wondering if they were going to return....

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