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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:58 pm

TW787 wrote:
Looks like some big wins for Alaska in here...

SFO-SNA reduced from 6 to 3...is this the only intra California market where Alaska has more frequency than Southwest now?

Both SNA and SAN to SJD are showing as exited
LAX to CUN and PVR are showing as exited


Nope All international from SAN,SNA and LAX remains intact.

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:16 pm

jsposaune wrote:
PIT-CUN as well...looks like Saturday only to start.


Looks like RDU-CUN is starting June 9th, and it's Saturdays-only as well.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:25 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:

PVD looks mostly whole. BWI is at 8 frequencies which might be down one. Don't like seeing a single FLL frequency, but maybe it's still good since they aren't the only one serving the route.

BOS looks stable with frequencies and several -800 upgrades.


PVD FLL is usually 1x for June-October/November

No major changes for any of the New England airports, no BOS additions either it seems. The weak MKE should get weaker with the 2nd BOS departure being at 10pm
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:48 pm

Too bad there's no BOS-SAT addition, I think the route would have done well.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:51 pm

Just looked at booking and has reverted back to June 5th as end of window. Nice lol
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:52 pm

mtnwest1979 wrote:
Just looked at booking and has reverted back to June 5th as end of window. Nice lol


I saw that as well, but the route map is still up to date...
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:54 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
Just looked at booking and has reverted back to June 5th as end of window. Nice lol

I saw that as well, but the route map is still up to date...

They changed back the date on the flight schedule page, but did not provide the next date for the schedule to open:

"We are currently accepting air reservations through June 5, 2018. Please check back frequently for the next opening of our schedule."

This is kind of odd...
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:57 pm

The twitter account has said it is due to technical difficulties. Maybe related to a bunch of routes saying they were sold out?
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:05 pm

They appear to have tons of issues with applying the extension.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:08 pm

So is Southwest leaving Flint? The only report that came out was from one source and it didn't have a quote from a Southwest spokesperson.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:11 pm

So FNT is closing..... read GSP is as well? If FNT is closing, GSP HAS to be as well.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:12 pm

airliner371 wrote:
So is Southwest leaving Flint? The only report that came out



Yes, confirmed that they are pulling out of FNT. Last day is June 6, 2018.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:14 pm

SCHATC422 wrote:
So FNT is closing..... read GSP is as well? If FNT is closing, GSP HAS to be as well.

There are certainly other candidates. FNT was fairly rare in that both the fares and loads were pitiful.

Another example of how WN really just destroyed the FL network. That was, as I long ago predicted, probably the most destructive merger in terms of East Coast competition. Recent talk about how profitable CLT is and, of course, ATL is further evidence that the elimination of FL really served to line airline pockets. Not sure the consumer got much out of it. WN is in ATL, but on the whole what was acquired was at least 40% liquidated.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:16 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
Just looked at booking and has reverted back to June 5th as end of window. Nice lol


I saw that as well, but the route map is still up to date...

How do we know the route map is correct though? We have nothing to check it against.

According to the current routemap, SAN-GEG is gone, but SAN-IND and SAN-MKE are back, and SAN-ELP appears to still be with us. I guess...

I think it might be a good time for a leisurely brunch, then I'll check WN.com in a few hours and see what's going on.

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:30 pm

Why is it MKE-SFO and not MKE-OAK?
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:31 pm

Don't know FNT. What can be added to DTW? I'm assuming this is going the same route of consolidation as CAK-CLE.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:54 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
Don't know FNT. What can be added to DTW? I'm assuming this is going the same route of consolidation as CAK-CLE.
FNT closed, DTW gained nothing and lost a BWI frequency.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:05 pm

Looks like ABQ got SJC. Not sure if that was there before.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:08 pm

enilria wrote:
SCHATC422 wrote:
So FNT is closing..... read GSP is as well? If FNT is closing, GSP HAS to be as well.

There are certainly other candidates. FNT was fairly rare in that both the fares and loads were pitiful.

Another example of how WN really just destroyed the FL network. That was, as I long ago predicted, probably the most destructive merger in terms of East Coast competition. Recent talk about how profitable CLT is and, of course, ATL is further evidence that the elimination of FL really served to line airline pockets. Not sure the consumer got much out of it. WN is in ATL, but on the whole what was acquired was at least 40% liquidated.


FL would have destroyed the FL network given enough time. They really had no future. That doesn't excuse the Obama Administration's total abdication of its antitrust responsibilities, but I'm not convinced that where we are today (or will be in 2020) is much different than where we would be with no WN/FL merger.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:10 pm

WN732 wrote:
Looks like ABQ got SJC. Not sure if that was there before.

It was Sunday only on the last update I think
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:22 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
enilria wrote:
SCHATC422 wrote:
So FNT is closing..... read GSP is as well? If FNT is closing, GSP HAS to be as well.

There are certainly other candidates. FNT was fairly rare in that both the fares and loads were pitiful.

Another example of how WN really just destroyed the FL network. That was, as I long ago predicted, probably the most destructive merger in terms of East Coast competition. Recent talk about how profitable CLT is and, of course, ATL is further evidence that the elimination of FL really served to line airline pockets. Not sure the consumer got much out of it. WN is in ATL, but on the whole what was acquired was at least 40% liquidated.


FL would have destroyed the FL network given enough time. They really had no future. That doesn't excuse the Obama Administration's total abdication of its antitrust responsibilities, but I'm not convinced that where we are today (or will be in 2020) is much different than where we would be with no WN/FL merger.


Let’s be honest WN never bought FL for it’s small city network especially FNT. Main goal was to KILL off a thorn in it’s side and gain 53 737-700 , Some ATL and more capacity FLL,DCA,LGA,BOS and stop FL MKE hub.
Also a look into international LCC service.

FNT lasting this long was baffling all along.

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:33 pm

knope2001 wrote:
MKE looks like the pretty standard summer schedule including the resumption of SFO, SAN and SEA. SEA this summer will have mainline Delta, mainline Southwest and E75 Alaska. I'm pretty sure SEA will end with the fall schedule but it will be interesting to see if SFO and SAN continue on.

The other thing is a MAX finally makes it to MKE, one of the LAS flights. The morning MKE-DCA and evening DCA-MKE is a 175-seat 800 as well which is good to see.

So far other than IND-OAK I haven't found anything notable new or ending in the schedule.


Very good news!

I wanted to attribute, (in my own head that is) the fall off of West coast-MKE service being related to WN's strained fleet. However, that doesn't make as much sense as a mix of MKE-West Coast demand picking up more in late spring and DL/Alaska coming in with new service.

Another random set of thought: I wonder if someone would take a gamble being the 2nd carrier on MKE-LAX since WN is the only carrier on it. Also, sad to see more of WN taking away the old FL network like FNT as has been talked about.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:10 pm

Did they kill off GSP also? Their website doesn't show any flights past June 5th
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:11 pm

Going thru the Schedule release for MSP looks like the OAK service has the aircraft just doing a daily MSP-OAK-MSP turn then RON early Daily.
This seems like a waste of Aircraft time.
WN could be possibly doing 3 things.
1 waiting to see the response in ticket sales before adding a evening OAK round trip.
2 seeing the Delta reaction.
3 add a afternoon DAL round trip.

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:11 pm

psa1011 wrote:
Why is it MKE-SFO and not MKE-OAK?


I speculated above that they may like the niche they have there with no competition from UA or AS/VX. It is a little odd.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:15 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Going thru the Schedule release for MSP looks like the OAK service has the aircraft just doing a daily MSP-OAK-MSP turn then RON early Daily.
This seems like a waste of Aircraft time.
WN could be possibly doing 3 things.
1 waiting to see the response in ticket sales before adding a evening OAK round trip.
2 seeing the Delta reaction.
3 add a afternoon DAL round trip.

Flyguy


I commented on this earlier in the thread. I think it should be DAL round trip. Why would they go Sunday only on DAL?
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:17 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Going thru the Schedule release for MSP looks like the OAK service has the aircraft just doing a daily MSP-OAK-MSP turn then RON early Daily.
This seems like a waste of Aircraft time.
WN could be possibly doing 3 things.
1 waiting to see the response in ticket sales before adding a evening OAK round trip.
2 seeing the Delta reaction.
3 add a afternoon DAL round trip.

Flyguy


I commented on this earlier in the thread. I think it should be DAL round trip. Why would they go Sunday only on DAL?


Slots are more available at DAL during Sundays....
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:39 pm

Booking app still doesn't show July flights. However the interactive route search page shows interesting new nonstop from SAT. SAT-OAK (previously mentioned), FLL-SAT and LGA-SAT. However...Something doesn't add up as SAT is outside the perimeter for LGA. How reliable is the interactive route search tool?
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:44 pm

Fly123123 wrote:
Booking app still doesn't show July flights. However the interactive route search page shows interesting new nonstop from SAT. SAT-OAK (previously mentioned), FLL-SAT and LGA-SAT. However...Something doesn't add up as SAT is outside the perimeter for LGA. How reliable is the interactive route search tool?


Southwest can do beyond-perimeter nonstops out of LGA on Saturdays but not on weekdays or Sundays, and Southwest will be doing seasonal Saturday-only nonstop service from LGA to SAT and PHX.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:50 pm

SAT-OAK, SAT-FLL and SAT-CUN (returning) are happening. Article link is below.

http://mysanantonio.com/business/local/ ... 326238.php
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:50 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Going thru the Schedule release for MSP looks like the OAK service has the aircraft just doing a daily MSP-OAK-MSP turn then RON early Daily.
This seems like a waste of Aircraft time.
WN could be possibly doing 3 things.
1 waiting to see the response in ticket sales before adding a evening OAK round trip.
2 seeing the Delta reaction.
3 add a afternoon DAL round trip.

Flyguy


I commented on this earlier in the thread. I think it should be DAL round trip. Why would they go Sunday only on DAL?


Slots are more available at DAL during Sundays....


There are no slots at DAL. More like gate space is available on the weekends at DAL
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:52 pm

Thanks jplatts. That's good to know.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:01 pm

Schedule is back open.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:03 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:

I commented on this earlier in the thread. I think it should be DAL round trip. Why would they go Sunday only on DAL?


Slots are more available at DAL during Sundays....


There are no slots at DAL. More like gate space is available on the weekends at DAL


That is what I meant....
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:06 pm

Still no international from LAS or PHX.

Will LAS or PHX ever get international flights?
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:12 pm

Looks like GSP is still there. Flights available in July.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:15 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Going thru the Schedule release for MSP looks like the OAK service has the aircraft just doing a daily MSP-OAK-MSP turn then RON early Daily.
This seems like a waste of Aircraft time.
WN could be possibly doing 3 things.
1 waiting to see the response in ticket sales before adding a evening OAK round trip.
2 seeing the Delta reaction.
3 add a afternoon DAL round trip.

Flyguy


I commented on this earlier in the thread. I think it should be DAL round trip. Why would they go Sunday only on DAL?


Slots are more available at DAL during Sundays....


I can see that and it makes sense. I guess, for me, what doesn't make sense is a city pair like MSP-DAL being a Sunday only flight and being successful.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:32 pm

phluser wrote:
evank516 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Will Southwest ever add MKE-PHL nonstop service? Southwest has a lot of nonstop service to the East Coast out of MKE, including nonstop service to BOS, LGA, BWI, DCA, ATL, and Florida, but no nonstop service to PHL from MKE. In addition, almost all of the airports between MKE and PHL that have nonstop service to PHL on Southwest are too far south for connections to PHL from MKE, and MKE is the 4th largest SWA market in the Midwest after MDW, STL, and MCI.


I don't think WN is the one to add MKE-PHL since WN doesn't have as big of a PHL presence as they once did. If anyone adds this, it will be AA.


It's already served by AA, and F9 has seasonal service.


Thanks. I don't really keep up with PHL so glad someone was able to chime in. The way the post was written it seemed like no one flew it.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:33 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Looks like nothing new for CMH, though CMH-OAK remains on the map, so I'm guessing it was just a temporary victim of the Winter pulldown like STL was.


I'm just curious is anyone knows what the background or reasoning for this route is? I've always thought it was kind of random.

By the way, I mean that as no disrespect to Columbus. I actually love that city.

Any insight would be appreciated.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:36 pm

topbanana wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Looks like nothing new for CMH, though CMH-OAK remains on the map, so I'm guessing it was just a temporary victim of the Winter pulldown like STL was.


I'm just curious is anyone knows what the background or reasoning for this route is? I've always thought it was kind of random.

By the way, I mean that as no disrespect to Columbus. I actually love that city.

Any insight would be appreciated.


Only CMH flight to the bay area. OAK is a WN "hub" so they can also filter west coast connections through it. I figure that gets them enough traffic for the route.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:42 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
topbanana wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Looks like nothing new for CMH, though CMH-OAK remains on the map, so I'm guessing it was just a temporary victim of the Winter pulldown like STL was.


I'm just curious is anyone knows what the background or reasoning for this route is? I've always thought it was kind of random.

By the way, I mean that as no disrespect to Columbus. I actually love that city.

Any insight would be appreciated.


Only CMH flight to the bay area. OAK is a WN "hub" so they can also filter west coast connections through it. I figure that gets them enough traffic for the route.


Exactly. CMH had two dailies to LAX (AA, DL), but nothing to the Bay Area since UA never started a SFO nonstop (in spite of adding literally every surrounding major city, including those with preexisting SFO flights, which never made sense to me), so CRAA tied up with WN for OAK. It initially had revenue guarantees behind it but local media says it's unclear as to whether or not they were ever used or if the route was able to support itself as WN publicly said they thought it could.

As you suggested, there are connection opportunities there, which probably does enough to make it viable. I've searched SAN, LAS, and SEA in recent years for trips and OAK connections were offered for all three.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:51 pm

I guess we'll have to wait a little longer to see if they wind up adding FAT next year.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:21 pm

ROC is same for routes and frequency but some capacity upgrades. TPA upgrades to a 738, always have been surprisingly impressed with how well that route performs. BWI is a mix of -700's and -800's and fairly certain when searching through the schedule I saw at least a day or two of MAX service on the BWI RON.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:25 pm

Does anyone know of a list of changes sheet?!?
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:34 pm

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Does anyone know of a list of changes sheet?!?


Given there were system issues today, we might be lucky to see one.

Usually can find it under "Stories" on www.southwestaircommunity.com
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:38 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:
Does anyone know of a list of changes sheet?!?


Given there were system issues today, we might be lucky to see one.

Usually can find it under "Stories" on http://www.southwestaircommunity.com


And they still aren't all the way fixed. I looked up some flights and it still had them as sold out.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:01 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
Looks like GSP is still there. Flights available in July.


WN should give GSP-BWI a second chance with 2x daily, or 3x daily and just run BWI service and not ATL. If BWI can get the government gateway traffic, connecting traffic, O&D traffic that bleeds to CLT, and from the north it can get traffic that would otherwise use DCA or PHL, it should have a chance.

When GSP originally opened, WN offered a number of flights but connections weren't necessarily routed through BWI, with BNA, HOU and MDW involved. Then the FL acquisition happened, and WN was serving CLT-BWI and ATL-BWI - GSP was second fiddle to those airports. WN tinkered with GSP-BWI as 1x daily in the evening (mistake there) and then cut GSP-BWI altogether. The route was diluted, then trimmed to a crappy schedule. Meanwhile it's compared to CHS (the success story) and GSP gets the bad rap as if it's the failure of the market.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:10 pm

flymco753 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
I’m not seeing anything from BNA, again.......
Its okay DTW got nothing, actually lost a BWI frequency. Oh well, because that’s a good thing for Spirit and Delta.


I'm beginning to wonder if something is going on behind the scenes at BNA (perhaps in relation to the recent firing of the airport CEO) that is preventing new service from being announced right now. I find it incredibly odd that BNA is the fastest growing airport of it's size and yet, not one new domestic service has been announced for a spring start date, yet, most of BNA's peer airports do have domestic service starting in March/April.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 pm

phluser wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
Looks like GSP is still there. Flights available in July.


WN should give GSP-BWI a second chance with 2x daily, or 3x daily and just run BWI service and not ATL. If BWI can get the government gateway traffic, connecting traffic, O&D traffic that bleeds to CLT, and from the north it can get traffic that would otherwise use DCA or PHL, it should have a chance.

When GSP originally opened, WN offered a number of flights but connections weren't necessarily routed through BWI, with BNA, HOU and MDW involved. Then the FL acquisition happened, and WN was serving CLT-BWI and ATL-BWI - GSP was second fiddle to those airports. WN tinkered with GSP-BWI as 1x daily in the evening (mistake there) and then cut GSP-BWI altogether. The route was diluted, then trimmed to a crappy schedule. Meanwhile it's compared to CHS (the success story) and GSP gets the bad rap as if it's the failure of the market.


GSP was the OLD Southwest answer to servicing the metro northeast ATL& southern CLT catchment areas.
If the FL deal was publicly announced sooner I would almost bet GSP would have never happened and just CHS would have been the sole SC addition.

I’m still surprised it’s last this long.
But reliable sources say GSP making money with its3 daily flights to ATL.

I’m still surprised RIC hasn’t seen anything like STL,MDW or DEN to the west.

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:21 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
I’m not seeing anything from BNA, again.......
Its okay DTW got nothing, actually lost a BWI frequency. Oh well, because that’s a good thing for Spirit and Delta.


I'm beginning to wonder if something is going on behind the scenes at BNA (perhaps in relation to the recent firing of the airport CEO) that is preventing new service from being announced right now. I find it incredibly odd that BNA is the fastest growing airport of it's size and yet, not one new domestic service has been announced for a spring start date, yet, most of BNA's peer airports do have domestic service starting in March/April.


This might be off base but I will throw it out there. Usually airports offer incentives for any new route started. Could all the money they threw at the BA route have tapped them out. It sounds like the CEO extended more money than they had to offer for that route, so maybe now this is the repercussions from it. They have no money for any other new routes of any kind for awhile.
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